1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: This week we have been talking more about the changes 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: to the Anti Discrimination Act, which are expected to pass 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: through Parliament next week. 4 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 2: Now. 5 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: The Deputy Opposition Leader Jared Mayley joined us on the 6 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: show earlier in the week and said that changes to 7 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: the Anti Discrimination Act, well, they will have a massive 8 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: impact on every territory and and that a new law 9 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: would mean that you could make a complaint on behalf 10 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: of someone else even if they don't want a complaint made. 11 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: We did just hear from Bishop Charles Gouchi as well 12 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: about the concerns that the Catholic Church here in the 13 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: Northern Territory have. Now joining me on the line is 14 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: the Attorney General, Chancey Paig. Good morning to you. 15 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie now Minister. 16 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: There has been consultation on the changes to this Act, 17 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: but the Deputy Opposition Leader sees that there's been this 18 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: amendment which means that a person can make a complaint 19 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: on behalf of someone else or another group even if 20 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: the initial person isn't offended. Is that the case. 21 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: Certainly within the Act, it's about contemporizing and providing the 22 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: adequate protections and rights the territorians right across the territory 23 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: and part of this, Katie, it sets up an administrative 24 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: complaints process, certainly for complaints of discrimination to be made 25 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 2: to the Commissioner, which it then enables her to provide 26 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: some mediation, conciliation of complaints and referrals to the Northern 27 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: Territory Civil and Administrative Tribune. Also, complaints absolutely can be 28 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: made by an individual who has been a result of 29 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: discriminative behavior, but also can be made by a person 30 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: who has beard witness to offensive and discriminatory behavior. 31 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: So so talk us through you know how that's going 32 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: to work, because presumably I mean some of the examples 33 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: that we've been given, or one of the example that 34 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: I was given was, you know, was a priest delivering 35 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: you know, a server in Tasmania, is my understanding, you know, 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: where somebody either bard witness or I don't know whether 37 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: they made a complaint on behalf of somebody else, but 38 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: where they were then able to take that priest through 39 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: that complaint's process when they were just delivering one of 40 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: their normal services. 41 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: Well, we're certainly not Tasmania, so I couldn't comment on 42 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: that particular situation, but what I can say is that 43 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 2: there's the appropriate mechanisms in this bill that is before 44 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: Parliament that afford the equal rights and provisions to all territorians. 45 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 2: And you know, absolutely religious groups will maintain and will 46 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: continue to be able to practice the ethos and values 47 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: of that particular religion in those schools and in those 48 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: places of worship. 49 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: Well okay, well that totally goes against what we've just 50 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: heard from Bishop Charles Gouchi, and I want to say 51 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: right from the get go, I think that everybody needs 52 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: to be treated fairly. Certainly, we hear on this show 53 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: do not condone, you know, hate speech, We do not 54 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: condone racist behavior, We do not condone sexist behavior, none 55 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: of that type of thing. But there's a lot of 56 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: confusion out there right now, Minister, and you know that 57 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: really goes back to I think, you know, people feeling 58 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: like they're going to be in a situation where a complaint, well, 59 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: anybody's going to be able to be offended by anything 60 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: because that offense word has also been included. 61 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: Now, Katie, I think it's important to just pause and 62 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: acknowledge for a minute that the vilification provisions in Section 63 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: twenty A and twenty B are not offenses, and the 64 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: Northern Territory is the only jurisdiction without any type of 65 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 2: vilification provision in effect. So this is about modernizing and 66 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: contemporizing the anti discrimination legislation because it hasn't been touched 67 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: significantly in thirty years, and we need to reflect the territory. 68 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: That is about promoting equality and equity right across. 69 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: We all get that, but the concern here is that 70 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: there's some areas that seem really gray and that are 71 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: being raised as serious concerns. So I think, firstly, you know, 72 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: when you talk about when you talk about what is 73 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: considered offensive to some, it may not be considered offensive 74 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: to others. I mean, we've got an example of that 75 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: yesterday from Christian out at the Lichfield Outback Resort, who 76 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: had said that somebody had made a complaint about him 77 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: about his chicken schnitzels and the way that he'd referred 78 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: to those. I mean, that's sort of a funny example. 79 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: But the list goes on, and you know, I think, 80 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: even for myself in my job, it makes me wonder 81 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: am I going to be muzzled? 82 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 2: O Katie. This isn't about restricting those conversations. This is 83 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: about having an administrative complaints process where complaints will go 84 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: to the Commission, and the Commissioner and the Commissioner's office 85 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 2: will be able to to work through those and resolve 86 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: them if there are matters that need to be resolved. Again, 87 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: we are one of the only jurisdictions that hasn't done 88 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 2: this significant reform. It's been done in all other Australian jurisdictions, 89 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: and the sky certainly hasn't fallen in. 90 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk though about the concerns that have just 91 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: been raised by Bishop Charles Gauci. I'm not sure whether 92 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: you heard him on the show a couple of minutes ago. 93 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: Oh no, I didn't, unfortunately, all right. 94 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: So he's raised some pretty serious concerns, you know, firstly 95 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: when it comes to you know, when it comes to 96 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: their staff. So basically the Catholic Diocese of Dohen is 97 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: concerned about those changes and how they may impact faith 98 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 1: based schools. They say that the amendment to the bill 99 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: has some unintended consequences which could inhibit their rights, such 100 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: as those pertaining to who they employ in their Catholic 101 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: schools and Catholic organizations. He said that he has written 102 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: to all members of Parliament. There was an initial meeting, 103 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: but then nobody has met back with him to hear 104 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: those concerns. I mean, clearly there's going to be some 105 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: real worries here with those schools of faith. Are you 106 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: prepared to meet with the bishop again to hear those 107 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: concerns before this passes through Parliament next week? 108 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: Katie, it's important to acknowledge that this has been a 109 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: government agenda item since twenty seventeen. We did a discussion paper, 110 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: we've put a draft exposure bill out, we have met 111 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: with and continue to meet with the religious groups and 112 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: concerned members community groups, so there's been extensive consultation on this. 113 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 2: When we're talking about the provision, in particular, removing the 114 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: exemption means that protections of discrimination apply equally to all 115 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: employees and prospective employees in religious schools. This means, Katie, 116 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: basically changes do not prevent faith based schools from upholding 117 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 2: their values or their religious identities or ethol. This is 118 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: about making sure that every Territorian has equal access, protections 119 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: and rights in the workplace. Schools are not prohibited from 120 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: operating in accordance with the doctrine of a particular religion 121 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: and can continue to provide that education in a faith 122 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: based setting. 123 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: But don't you reckon it's fair enough is at a 124 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: Catholic school they would prefer to employ somebody who is 125 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: of the Catholic faith rather than somebody that, say, of 126 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: the Muslim. 127 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: Faithkatie, I think it's really important here to highlight the 128 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: Catholic mass is no different or english to what it 129 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: should be in any other school. There is the qualification 130 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: that you go to university too to practice those specialized 131 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: areas as part of your teaching degree. In those schools, absolutely, 132 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: to be a school chaplain or a priest or a 133 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: religious education teacher, you absolutely will need to comply with 134 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: the ethos and the religious value of that school. Let's 135 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: not forget that it is the same religious organizations who 136 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 2: run community based organizations where they currently are not allowed 137 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: to discriminate against people in those organizations. So this is 138 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: an area that has been discussed over many times. But 139 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: we also as a remote member of the Northern Territory, 140 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: want to see I need to see a position where 141 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 2: remote Aboriginal people who might identify as someone from the 142 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 2: same sex community shouldn't be denied an opportunity to go 143 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: back to their own community and practice in their school 144 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 2: as a teacher because of their sexuality or their religion. 145 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: Minister, we know that on a federal scale, the Federal 146 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: Attorney General Mark Dreyfus has asked the Australian Law Reform 147 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: Commission to review the country's religious exemptions for schools in 148 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: the Federal Anti Discrimination Law in the first formal step 149 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: towards new religious discrimination laws. So I mean, isn't Northern 150 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: Territory here putting the cart before the horse, or are 151 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: we going to wind up in a situation where you know, 152 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: this is reviewed federally. If we've got the Australian Law 153 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: Reform Commission federally looking at what they're doing, you know, 154 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: why are we pushing ahead before this has been looked 155 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: at on that national scale. 156 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 2: I think it's important to acknowledge that each state and 157 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: territory has their own acts and has different mechanisms in 158 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: the Act and different sets of responsibilities and obligations. Certainly, 159 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 2: this has been a matter before the Commonwealth for the 160 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: last ten years and we have held off contemporizing the 161 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: Anti Discrimination Act when a number of conversations were happening 162 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 2: and legislation was being proposed in the Federal Parliament. But 163 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: we can't wait around for the Commonwealth. We need to 164 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 2: contemporize our legislation. That's what we're doing now. And you know, 165 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: Katie's most religious schools already have provisions in their EBAs 166 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: where they don't discriminate against people. This is a matter 167 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: that can continue. Yeah, but you've. 168 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: Got the religious like you've You've literally got the bishop 169 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: saying he would like to sit down with you and 170 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: like to be able to talk to you about it. 171 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: And you're saying, well, yet we've gone through all this 172 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: consultation and that there's provisions in the eba, et cetera. 173 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: But then you're not, you know, not prepared to have 174 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: a meeting with him. 175 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: That's not true, Katie. I have reached out to the 176 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: bishop to have a conversation with him and hear his concerns. 177 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: But I make it very clear, so will you be 178 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: meeting with him. I am not going to enable people 179 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: to discriminate on someone based on their sexuality or their religion. 180 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: Look, I get that, you know. I am certainly for 181 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: all people, and I do not feel as though there 182 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: should be discrimination in any way, shape or form. But 183 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: I do think that there needs to be genuine you know, 184 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: genuine discussions to hear other people's sides of things, which 185 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: is what I've done this morning. You know, I may 186 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: not have the same view, but it has to happen. 187 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: Has been a genuine, long, extensive conversation. 188 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,359 Speaker 1: Since then, there's been changes. So there's then been changes 189 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: which include you know, this insult or offend, and there's 190 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: a lot of grayness to that that people aren't sure 191 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: exactly what that's going to mean or where it's going 192 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: to leave them. 193 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: Okay, Katie, I just need to hold it there for 194 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: a sec The result of this legislation and the amendments 195 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: to this legislation are a result of that thorough and 196 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: extensive consultation that was undertaken, that was part of a 197 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: discussion papers was part of a draft exposure bill that 198 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: was put out which responded to people provided feedback on 199 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 2: and again, it is an opportunity to remind people that 200 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: when we are talking about this. Of course, individuals who 201 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 2: are applying for a job at a religious school certainly 202 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: understand that they're going to work in an environment where 203 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 2: the ethos and faith is part of the curriculum. 204 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and look, I think that it would be foolish 205 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: for us to just pretend that that's the only you know, 206 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: that that is the only area that's going to be impacted. Here, 207 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: what I'm really keen to find out is, you know, 208 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: when when we are saying that if someone is offended, 209 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: how would you describe that? Like? What would you actually 210 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: you know, what what do you think is the best 211 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: way for us to sort of consider what's appropriate in 212 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: terms of that offense word? Because you know, in Parliament 213 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: for example, you guys have ended up having to ban 214 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: that word or not use it. Lo how is that 215 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: going to impact people? 216 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: Look, when we talk about the matter of offending and insults, 217 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: this is directed at people using a hateful and bigoted 218 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 2: language towards an individual that causes you know, great impact 219 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: on their social and emotional wellbeing. And this is why 220 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: we have a complaints process where these matters can be 221 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: referred to the Commissioner and the Anti Discrimination Commission to 222 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 2: review those and work with those and if appropriate action 223 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 2: is required then that will go through that process. 224 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: So, no matter what at this points going ahead, it's 225 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: going to be pushed through Parliament next week. 226 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 2: Katie, It's going to be before Parliament and members of 227 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: Parliament will have an opportunity to represent their constituencies and 228 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: speak in the debate and ask questions to provide any 229 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: clarification that's needed, and of course when legislation passes, there's 230 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: also an education and awareness campaign that we will follow 231 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 2: and put out ele information and respond to people's questions. 232 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: A question we did get throughout the week is are 233 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: politicians going to have to adhere to the same rules 234 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: and regulations or will they be covered by parliamentary privilege 235 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: because some people may be offended by what gets said 236 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: inside parliament. 237 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: In terms of that, parliamentary privilege exists for members only 238 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 2: inside the chamber. When members are outside the chamber, they 239 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: are you know, fall under the same category as everyone else. 240 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: And those are the determinations that the Standing Orders and 241 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: the Speaker of the Assembly will make determinations on whether 242 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: particular language needs to be withdrawn by members. 243 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: But so if there is debate happening, you know, someone's 244 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: listening to that debate online they're offended by what somebody 245 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: sees inside there, will they be able to make a 246 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: complaint against politicians, Katie. 247 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: I think that's getting into semantics. But they will have 248 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: the opportunity to provide that to the Anti Discrimination Commission 249 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: if a member of Parliament says something that is extremely 250 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: offensive or grotesque, then I would suggest that they refer 251 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 2: that matter to the Human Rights Anti Discrimination Commission, who 252 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: can look at that and take appropriate action if required. 253 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: Chancey Paig, I've still got so many quick but we 254 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: have run out of time. We are going to have 255 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: to leave it there. Attorney General of the Northern Territory. 256 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate you speaking with me this morning. 257 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: No worries, Katie, take care. 258 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: Thank you.