1
00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960
Speaker 1: We know that the polls officially opened yesterday and by

2
00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,600
Speaker 1: about ten o'clock more than one thousand people it turned

3
00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,480
Speaker 1: out to have their voices heard. We now know over

4
00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,479
Speaker 1: seven thousand people turned out yesterday to vote. They're fairly

5
00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,880
Speaker 1: large numbers, about one thousand more as I understand it

6
00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,120
Speaker 1: than what had turned out to vote last election on

7
00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,279
Speaker 1: day one. Now joining me in the studio is the

8
00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,200
Speaker 1: opposition leader Lea Fanocchiaro.

9
00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:24,200
Speaker 2: Good morning to your lead.

10
00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:25,960
Speaker 3: Good morning Katie and to all your listeners.

11
00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,639
Speaker 1: Now, you officially launched your campaign on Sat. Sunday to

12
00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,800
Speaker 1: the Party Faithful and outlined what a COLP government is

13
00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,480
Speaker 1: going to do if elected.

14
00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,720
Speaker 2: What are you planning for those first hundred days.

15
00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, we launched our campaign in front of hundreds of

16
00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,600
Speaker 4: supporters and it was a nice opportunity in advance of

17
00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,120
Speaker 4: early voting starting yesterday. And our plan has been really

18
00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,239
Speaker 4: consistent and really clear. We want to rebuild the territory.

19
00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,480
Speaker 4: To do that, we have to reduce crime. To reduce crime,

20
00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,080
Speaker 4: we need to tackle the root causes of crime, stop

21
00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,280
Speaker 4: that cycle and make sure police have the powers they

22
00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,520
Speaker 4: need to support us safer community. We have to rebuild

23
00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,240
Speaker 4: our economy by dealing with approval time frames, making it

24
00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,000
Speaker 4: easier to do business here through payroll tax reform and

25
00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,000
Speaker 4: better housing scheme initiatives. We also need to restore our

26
00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,720
Speaker 4: beautiful territory lifestyle which has been underspread after two decades

27
00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,959
Speaker 4: of labor, and so by making sure people can afford

28
00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,200
Speaker 4: to live here. Free vaccines for kids and adolescents with

29
00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,840
Speaker 4: ninjakockle be better access to medication at pharmacy so it's cheaper,

30
00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:35,440
Speaker 4: and easier relief at the MVR. Free swimming lessons for kids.

31
00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,080
Speaker 4: These are all the things we know that can turn

32
00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:39,520
Speaker 4: the territory around LEA.

33
00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,080
Speaker 1: Do you really believe that people are going to start

34
00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,720
Speaker 1: to see an impact when it comes to crime in

35
00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,160
Speaker 1: the first one hundred days if a CLP government's formed,

36
00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:50,160
Speaker 1: I really.

37
00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,000
Speaker 4: Do believe that Katie or I would not be telling

38
00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,200
Speaker 4: territorians it was possible. We know that our laws have

39
00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,360
Speaker 4: been weakened over the last eight years of labor through

40
00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,360
Speaker 4: continuous changes to bail laws, taking power away from police

41
00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:07,240
Speaker 4: around alcohol and public drinking, removing consequences or any accountability

42
00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,679
Speaker 4: for young people and stopping you know, they've let a

43
00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,080
Speaker 4: lot of young people fall through the cracks and their

44
00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,480
Speaker 4: criminal behavior is escalating. So yes, I absolutely wholeheartedly believe

45
00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,840
Speaker 4: we can drive change and have some really quick wins,

46
00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,160
Speaker 4: which is why week one of Parliament we've said we

47
00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,840
Speaker 4: would change a range of laws to give our police

48
00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,760
Speaker 4: better powers deal with the root causes of crime, and

49
00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,160
Speaker 4: then we can continue that significant reform that's required.

50
00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,720
Speaker 1: Now. Yesterday the promises was still being rolled out by

51
00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,560
Speaker 1: Labor Territory Labour promising an extra one point four million

52
00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:43,040
Speaker 1: dollars to provide more private security services as progress in

53
00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,120
Speaker 1: growing the police force. Well it really isn't at the

54
00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,440
Speaker 1: pace that Territorians wild want. I mean the extra funds

55
00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,919
Speaker 1: are for Darwin, Palmeston and Alas Springs. It would roll

56
00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,320
Speaker 1: out from October and allow shopping center operators to introduce

57
00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,360
Speaker 1: security or expand current services. Will the CLP make the

58
00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,760
Speaker 1: same commitment to increase funding for security.

59
00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,760
Speaker 4: Look, Katie, that's not our focus. We absolutely see the

60
00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,320
Speaker 4: value in the Blue Shirts being in the CBD and

61
00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,120
Speaker 4: have committed to that five million dollars, but our focus

62
00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,440
Speaker 4: is on retaining police. Now, this government's only focus is

63
00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,240
Speaker 4: about recruiting more and yes we need more police, but

64
00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,160
Speaker 4: why should we be losing you know, eighty police a

65
00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,280
Speaker 4: year because they feel they haven't got the support of

66
00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,640
Speaker 4: their government and the powers they need to support our community.

67
00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,440
Speaker 4: So our focus is about backing our police police retention.

68
00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,600
Speaker 4: That will immediately get more police out on our streets.

69
00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,120
Speaker 4: We need that high visible policing. But by supporting our

70
00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,480
Speaker 4: community with better laws, we can get better outcomes for everyone.

71
00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,120
Speaker 4: We can tackle the root causes of crime and make

72
00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,200
Speaker 4: sure we're breaking this cycle of continuous repeat offending through

73
00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,240
Speaker 4: skills training, better programs in prison, and better diversion options

74
00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:54,920
Speaker 4: for young people like boot camps.

75
00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,720
Speaker 1: You just touched on five million four security. So from

76
00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,280
Speaker 1: what I can gather there, that's security what for another year?

77
00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's about the cost that is budgeted for already

78
00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,800
Speaker 4: for that continuation of the blue shirts in the CBD

79
00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,880
Speaker 4: and so you know, labor again, they're out desperately announcing

80
00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,840
Speaker 4: these little tidbits of money around things to try and

81
00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,160
Speaker 4: make it sound like they're going to deal with crime.

82
00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,280
Speaker 4: But until they back in our police, stop our police

83
00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,400
Speaker 4: leaving in droves, and give them the powers they need

84
00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,839
Speaker 4: to support our community while addressing root causes, it's never

85
00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:26,840
Speaker 4: going to happen with.

86
00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,920
Speaker 2: That security though, with that five million dollars.

87
00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,800
Speaker 1: Will that mean that it remains somewhere like Perap where

88
00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,040
Speaker 1: I know it's had a big difference.

89
00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have no intention of changing how the Blue

90
00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,520
Speaker 4: Shirts operate people. You know, the feedback we get is

91
00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,360
Speaker 4: that they welcome it. But the most feedback we get

92
00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,200
Speaker 4: is people want less crime and more police and so

93
00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,040
Speaker 4: that's our focus. We've got to be making sure police

94
00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,760
Speaker 4: are doing policing roles and the only way they can

95
00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,240
Speaker 4: do that is if we drive down the demand on

96
00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,360
Speaker 4: their services which means less crime, and give them better

97
00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,119
Speaker 4: powers to be able to be more proactive to stop

98
00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,080
Speaker 4: crime from happening. But you know, right from the start,

99
00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,839
Speaker 4: earlier intervention and tackling the root causes and giving young

100
00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,200
Speaker 4: people better things to do than a life of crime.

101
00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,000
Speaker 1: All right. Lea, the president of the Local Government Association

102
00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,120
Speaker 1: of the Northern Territory corn vat Scalas, said that territories

103
00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,120
Speaker 1: deserve to know the intentions for the sector under a

104
00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,080
Speaker 1: new well labor government and also called on the COLP

105
00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,400
Speaker 1: to outline how are you going to fund your promised

106
00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,720
Speaker 1: reforms now. Connor said that the CELP must come clean

107
00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,560
Speaker 1: on how much your planned reform or de amalgamations of

108
00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,479
Speaker 1: local government's going to cost and how it's going to

109
00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,840
Speaker 1: be funded, So how are you going to fund it?

110
00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,320
Speaker 4: We've been really open and transparent on this issue for

111
00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,760
Speaker 4: about a year, Katie, I think we've been talking about it.

112
00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,200
Speaker 4: Maybe more and conn and Legant might be a slow

113
00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,560
Speaker 4: on the uptake there, but ultimately we've been out engaging

114
00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,480
Speaker 4: with the Aboriginal people in communities for a very long

115
00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,640
Speaker 4: time and we have heard loud and clear that the

116
00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,719
Speaker 4: super shires that labor created, the disempowerment they affected to

117
00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,719
Speaker 4: decades ago, has led to worse outcomes in the Bush.

118
00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,760
Speaker 4: Now we are very focused on making sure we move forward.

119
00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,080
Speaker 4: It's a slow process because there will need to be

120
00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,719
Speaker 4: significant consultation. We want to pilot a few areas that

121
00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,440
Speaker 4: we can provide the governance and the structure and make

122
00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,880
Speaker 4: sure we get it right. What we've heard loud and

123
00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,560
Speaker 4: clear from people in the Bush is they don't want

124
00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,440
Speaker 4: just another wholesale reform that doesn't work and then they're

125
00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:25,360
Speaker 4: left disappointed.

126
00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:26,800
Speaker 3: So we've got to do it slowly.

127
00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,360
Speaker 2: So how much does it go to cost?

128
00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,280
Speaker 4: Well, that will have to be work through once we've

129
00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:33,120
Speaker 4: done the consultation.

130
00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,960
Speaker 2: So has it been budgeted for. Yeah, so we'll put.

131
00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,360
Speaker 4: All of that into our costings to Treasury, which will

132
00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,080
Speaker 4: be published by Treasury next week. But we're very focused

133
00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,200
Speaker 4: on delivering a pilot program which will then needs to

134
00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:46,400
Speaker 4: be developed.

135
00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,800
Speaker 2: Eight million, one hundred billion.

136
00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,279
Speaker 4: Well initially it will be from within the local government

137
00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,360
Speaker 4: budget and then we need to work through what those

138
00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,919
Speaker 4: next steps look like. So this has to be done

139
00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,839
Speaker 4: very much hand in hand with Aboriginal communities and Aboriginal people.

140
00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,640
Speaker 1: The sounds of what you're saying, it's you're going to

141
00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,480
Speaker 1: do like a pilot program. So that's what communities were

142
00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:05,400
Speaker 1: just starting yeap.

143
00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,040
Speaker 4: So we're looking in a few communities in the Barkley

144
00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,560
Speaker 4: are really strong candidates and but again we'll go out

145
00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,280
Speaker 4: to consultation. If they're a community is ready and wanting

146
00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,040
Speaker 4: to move forward, then they're the ones we'll look too. First,

147
00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,120
Speaker 4: we want we want to set up role model, successful examples,

148
00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,160
Speaker 4: and then give them that successful support through governance training

149
00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,160
Speaker 4: and all of the other.

150
00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,280
Speaker 3: Back of house services.

151
00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,240
Speaker 4: And you know, the ultimate goal would be for the

152
00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,760
Speaker 4: federal government to see how effective this reform is in

153
00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,000
Speaker 4: delivering better outcomes and working through a program.

154
00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,239
Speaker 2: People that are really sort of scratching their heads.

155
00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,280
Speaker 1: I guess going do we need to do this when

156
00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,720
Speaker 1: we've seen over recent years in you know, like quite

157
00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,560
Speaker 1: a little while back the Palmerston Council obviously going through

158
00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,800
Speaker 1: the issues that they went through the council in the

159
00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,680
Speaker 1: Barclay then we've seen I believe it was Woggat recently

160
00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:55,400
Speaker 1: or Kumale.

161
00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:56,000
Speaker 2: It may have been.

162
00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,760
Speaker 1: I will double check that. Apologies if I've got that wrong.

163
00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,040
Speaker 1: I think it was Kumali. But you know, however you

164
00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,440
Speaker 1: look at it, there's been issues here with those local governments.

165
00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,960
Speaker 1: So are you just creating more issues?

166
00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,920
Speaker 4: No, this is actually to resolve some of those issues.

167
00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,360
Speaker 4: So a council like Berkley, for example. The land mass

168
00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,560
Speaker 4: is enormous, absolutely enormous. It covers communities from you know,

169
00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,520
Speaker 4: up as high as Borough Laula right down into Central Australia,

170
00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,800
Speaker 4: and the needs and the opportunities in those communities are different.

171
00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,080
Speaker 3: Everywhere you go.

172
00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:34,480
Speaker 4: There's different language groups, different traditions. It's very complicated and

173
00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,400
Speaker 4: it's much better, the outcomes will be much better if

174
00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,320
Speaker 4: there is empowerment of those people to make decisions around

175
00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,119
Speaker 4: what they need in those communities.

176
00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,160
Speaker 3: So we're very focused on that.

177
00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,360
Speaker 4: We believe this will have much better outcomes on housing,

178
00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,240
Speaker 4: on jobs, on getting kids to school, to give power

179
00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,400
Speaker 4: back to people who live in those communities. I mean

180
00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,000
Speaker 4: it would be like saying to people living in Darwin

181
00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,280
Speaker 4: that Catherine are going to run all of the vision

182
00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,440
Speaker 4: making for Darwin. I mean no one would accept that,

183
00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,360
Speaker 4: right and so why should it be accepted in the bush?

184
00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:05,840
Speaker 1: All right?

185
00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:06,679
Speaker 2: I want to move along.

186
00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,280
Speaker 1: It was revealed on the show yesterday that Chancey Paike,

187
00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,520
Speaker 1: the Attorney General and Minister for the Arts well had

188
00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,240
Speaker 1: attended the Aboriginal Art Fair and other events in his

189
00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,520
Speaker 1: capacity as the Arts Minister in Darwin last week. Do

190
00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,400
Speaker 1: you think that that's appropriate during the caretaker period?

191
00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,000
Speaker 4: Well, it just reminds everyone on what Michael Gunner's travel

192
00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,880
Speaker 4: last election. Of course we had the IKAK inquiry and

193
00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,839
Speaker 4: then the recommendation saying there shouldn't be traveled during caretaker Now.

194
00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,599
Speaker 4: I guess this is questions to be answered by the

195
00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:37,320
Speaker 4: Chief Minister.

196
00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,839
Speaker 1: But it was in his capacity as a minister, and

197
00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,719
Speaker 1: you know like that it wasn't inappropriate essentially.

198
00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,640
Speaker 4: Sure, but has he complied with all of the transparency

199
00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,040
Speaker 4: rules and requirements that the IKAK set would be my

200
00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,040
Speaker 4: question to her.

201
00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,439
Speaker 1: And so do you think I mean, is it something

202
00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,360
Speaker 1: that obviously you're not a minister, you're the opposition leader,

203
00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,600
Speaker 1: but is it something that you would allow your team

204
00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,120
Speaker 1: members to do over this period of time.

205
00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:03,920
Speaker 3: No, we've not been traveling.

206
00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,679
Speaker 4: We've been adhering to that caretaker convention and part of it,

207
00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,560
Speaker 4: which you know Eva Lawler and Chancey Paige will have

208
00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,319
Speaker 4: to defend and justify as whether or not that has

209
00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,480
Speaker 4: properly been reported to the Clerk of the Parliament and

210
00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:18,760
Speaker 4: whether that's been published on the.

211
00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,720
Speaker 2: Website and do you know if it has.

212
00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,800
Speaker 4: I'm not aware, Katie, but those are the rules and ultimately,

213
00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,800
Speaker 4: again I think it just reminds people again of what

214
00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,520
Speaker 4: Michael Gunner did four years ago. It just reinforces this

215
00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,040
Speaker 4: issue around whether Labor take the rules seriously and again

216
00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,080
Speaker 4: it's up to them to defend. My focus is on

217
00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,439
Speaker 4: much more important things like making sure territorians know our

218
00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,880
Speaker 4: plan and our team to rebuild the territory.

219
00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:42,480
Speaker 2: All right, Lea.

220
00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,520
Speaker 1: We do have a question that's come up a few

221
00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,839
Speaker 1: times over the last week or so around abortion concerns

222
00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,760
Speaker 1: raised last week after the Australian Christian lobby group I

223
00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,600
Speaker 1: believe it was shared a video saying that the COLP

224
00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,840
Speaker 1: is going to support medical intervention if a child is

225
00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,920
Speaker 1: born alive during a failed abortion attempt. Has the COLP

226
00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:04,880
Speaker 1: committed to this?

227
00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's been some scam hungering around this, which

228
00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,960
Speaker 4: I'm really not sure why they would be on this topic.

229
00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,559
Speaker 4: But just to be really clear, we have no plans

230
00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,640
Speaker 4: to change abortion law in the Northern Territory, no plans whatsoever.

231
00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,840
Speaker 3: What we have said is in the very rare but.

232
00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,360
Speaker 4: Tragic and traumatizing event that a child is born during

233
00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,559
Speaker 4: a failed abortion, and the child's born alive, that they

234
00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,240
Speaker 4: should be provided medical care. Now, I think that's very

235
00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,920
Speaker 4: simple and straightforward for everyone to understand. It does not

236
00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,880
Speaker 4: require any legislative change. This is not about whether or

237
00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,840
Speaker 4: not women have choice. This is just in the very

238
00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,360
Speaker 4: rare event that a child is born during an abortion,

239
00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,880
Speaker 4: that they can have access to medical care.

240
00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,079
Speaker 2: So this is more in guidelines rather than legislation.

241
00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, And in clinical practice it's sort of

242
00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,920
Speaker 4: guides doctors if that happens, what they're allowed and not

243
00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:58,600
Speaker 4: allowed to do.

244
00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,880
Speaker 1: Look, I think that this is such a tough topic

245
00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,160
Speaker 1: because there'll be people that feel, you know, really sort

246
00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,120
Speaker 1: of quite passionate either way. But my understanding is that

247
00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,680
Speaker 1: for a woman in the Northern Territory to have a

248
00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,160
Speaker 1: late stage abortion, you do need you do need at

249
00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,800
Speaker 1: least I thought two doctors to sign off on that

250
00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,320
Speaker 1: to begin with, and that in a lot of cases

251
00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,080
Speaker 1: that would only be allowed if, if you know, there

252
00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:29,240
Speaker 1: were concerns that that child had major issues.

253
00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,360
Speaker 4: Yes, look, I'm not across the exact way all of

254
00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,079
Speaker 4: that plays out, but just for listeners who care about this,

255
00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,400
Speaker 4: the only commitment we've made is that in the very

256
00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,440
Speaker 4: rare event that a child that a mother has gone

257
00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,360
Speaker 4: through the abortion process and the child is born alive,

258
00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,120
Speaker 4: then that child gets medical care.

259
00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,520
Speaker 2: Why have you even decided to go down this path?

260
00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,720
Speaker 4: Oh, just like with all other industry groups. I mean, Katie,

261
00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,400
Speaker 4: the number of letters I've received, you wouldn't believe. So

262
00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:06,160
Speaker 4: every single industry, Peak, bodies, Sporting Club, they've all written

263
00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,440
Speaker 4: to both sides of Parliament saying what they would like

264
00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,200
Speaker 4: to see. This was in response to a question, and

265
00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,720
Speaker 4: we responded to the question saying, yes, we believe a

266
00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,199
Speaker 4: child born alive should be provided medical care.

267
00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,160
Speaker 3: That's really as simple as that Leah.

268
00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,320
Speaker 1: A quick listener question that's just come through that says,

269
00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,480
Speaker 1: so there are seventy three prescribed remote Aboriginal communities in

270
00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,800
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. Is Leah saying that we're going to

271
00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,400
Speaker 1: have seventy three local councils?

272
00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,400
Speaker 4: No, absolutely not, and again this is labor scare mongering.

273
00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,880
Speaker 4: What we know is that the original model didn't work,

274
00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,160
Speaker 4: but the current model doesn't work either. We think there's

275
00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,760
Speaker 4: somewhere in between and perhaps we're very very open to

276
00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,880
Speaker 4: different models across the territory. This does not have to

277
00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,760
Speaker 4: be a one size fits all model, but what we

278
00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,320
Speaker 4: know it's not working. We need to make sure people

279
00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,520
Speaker 4: in the Bush have greater power and authority over and

280
00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,120
Speaker 4: decision making over their community and their lives. And this

281
00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:03,079
Speaker 4: will create a significant opportunity for change, which we're very

282
00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,079
Speaker 4: very passionate about.

283
00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,080
Speaker 1: Well, Opposition leader Leah Fanocquiio, we are going to have

284
00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:08,880
Speaker 1: to leave it there. Thanks so much for your time

285
00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,880
Speaker 1: this morning, and I believe I think we're catching up

286
00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,840
Speaker 1: with you. Is that again later this week in the

287
00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,520
Speaker 1: Electorateive spillers, I think it's tomorrow, Oh tomorrow, all right,

288
00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,040
Speaker 1: we'll be talking to you again tomorrow.

289
00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,320
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what you and Eva.

290
00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,520
Speaker 1: Are just about here every day at the moment second. Yeah,

291
00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,480
Speaker 1: I appreciate your time. Thank you very much