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Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by our partners at

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Speaker 1: Workplace Law. Welcome to The Female Athlete Project Season two.

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Speaker 1: My name is Chloe Dalton. I'm an Olympic gold medalist

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Speaker 1: in rugby sevens and I'm now playing for the GWS

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Speaker 1: Giants in the AFLW. I started TFAP to share the

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Speaker 1: stories of incredible female athletes and to address the gender

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Speaker 1: inequalities that exist within the sports media space. We want

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Speaker 1: to change that story and we're all about making news

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Speaker 1: and highlights of women's sport easily accessible across our platforms.

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Speaker 1: Our hope is that more female athletes will become household

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Speaker 1: names and in turn enable the next generation of young

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Speaker 1: kids to pick up a ball, racket, backboard, whatever they

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Speaker 1: want to pick. Getting to the top of your sport

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Speaker 1: is difficult. Very few will ever represent their country on

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Speaker 1: the world stage. Elise Perry has done that in not

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Speaker 1: one but two sports and her illustrious career. Elise was

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Speaker 1: sixteen when first selected to represent Australia in cricket, the

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Speaker 1: youngest ever to play cricket for Australia male or female.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen days later, she pulled on a Matilda's jersey and

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Speaker 1: made her Aussie soccer debut. She is the only person

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Speaker 1: ever to have played for Australia in both cricket and

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Speaker 1: soccer World Cups. Perry made sixteen appearances for the Matildas

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Speaker 1: before turning her attention to cricket full time. She is

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Speaker 1: currently the world's number one cricket all rounder and her

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Speaker 1: list of awards and accolades is long, really long, but

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Speaker 1: her most recent major awards probably some. Elise Perry up

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Speaker 1: in December twenty twenty, after a reduced amount of international

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Speaker 1: cricket had been played throughout the previous twelve months, the

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Speaker 1: ICC stage's special edition of its annual Awards ceremony to

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Speaker 1: recognize the best players of the past ten years. Perry

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Speaker 1: swept all three major female categories to be named the

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Speaker 1: Player of the Decade, an overall Women's Cricketer of the Decade.

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Speaker 1: I was incredibly honored to sit down and have a

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Speaker 1: chat with an athlete of Elisa's caliber and to pick

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Speaker 1: apart some of her mindset and preparation that goes into

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Speaker 1: becoming the athlete that she is. I hope you enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Elise Perry Welcome to the Female Athlete Project.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much having me Koly, very.

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Speaker 1: Exciting to have you on. We were hoping to catch

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Speaker 1: up in person as I'm down in Melbourne and you're

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Speaker 1: down in Melbourne as well, but a few COVID restrictions

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Speaker 1: have got in our way. Can you tell us a

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Speaker 1: little bit about how your experience has been down in Melbourne.

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Speaker 1: You moved down here after winning eleven WNCL championships with

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Speaker 1: New South Wales, was it, and have made the big

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Speaker 1: move last year to come down and join Victoria.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's been an awesome adventure, I suppose, notwithstanding some

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Speaker 3: of the different things in the world that we're all

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Speaker 3: thinking about it, and when I was gonna move down

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Speaker 3: so obviously just for a new experience and I supposed

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Speaker 2: And New said, well, i's been wonderful.

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Speaker 3: And I'm obviously from Sydney and grew up there and

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Speaker 2: So I think just to base myself in a new environment.

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Speaker 3: And you know, work with different people, have different teammates

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Speaker 3: new in a really cool city in state in Victoria

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Speaker 3: Freedom, probably the same, but probably freshness is like what

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Speaker 2: I'm thirty now, so it's sort of just like been a.

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Speaker 1: Chatting about your junior cricket years and whatnot there. I'd

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Speaker 1: What do you have memories that really distinctly stand out

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Speaker 2: Total tomboy is probably okay the strongest.

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Speaker 3: Memory, and just playing all kinds of sports for whether

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's sort of been a part of my

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Speaker 1: I was playing a game of backyard cricket with my brother,

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Speaker 1: I just like chased him around the backyard with a

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Speaker 3: My brother innately is not super competitive, but having said that,

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Speaker 3: And certainly there's some competitiveness in there somewhere. I used

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Speaker 3: It's probably always been my parents, to be honest, particularly

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Speaker 3: But same with mum, Like they're both quite sporty and

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Speaker 3: they're just really amazing with their time and attention into

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Speaker 1: Is there any element of that of perfectionism that you

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Speaker 3: You know, the time that you spent preparing and training

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Speaker 1: Sure, I find watching cricket is quite brutal in the

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Speaker 2: Well, I love it because I think it's the most

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Speaker 3: So if you get out of particular way, like to me,

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Speaker 3: that's kind of like, well, straight away, I've got something

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Speaker 3: to work on in the in the nets, in the

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Speaker 3: training environment. And you know, even if it's not that

443
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Speaker 3: you get out, but like you can look at you

444
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Speaker 3: look at the way that you've bat it and say, oh,

445
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Speaker 3: I didn't hit that shot great, or I really missed

446
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Speaker 3: out there or could have been better there. Like it's

447
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Speaker 3: sort of this blueprint to then go on work on

448
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Speaker 3: it and in a training environment.

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Speaker 2: And I think if you get the opportunity to do that,

450
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Speaker 2: it's a really great way to reinstilled confidence even if

451
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Speaker 2: you've kind of had a shocker, just by being able

452
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Speaker 2: to go away and work on it. It is.

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Speaker 3: It is brutal because sometimes like one mistake and that's

454
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Speaker 3: the end of your day. But I think, yeah, my

455
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Speaker 3: feelings on that is like how awful that sensation is

456
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Speaker 3: when you get out, particularly if you haven't you contributed

457
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Speaker 3: at all, And it's like it's deterrent to want that

458
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Speaker 3: to happen again. So so then you go and go

459
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Speaker 3: and train, hopefully for the remedy some of the things

460
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Speaker 3: that went wrong equally then I always think about this.

461
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Speaker 3: Batting can be brutal, and if you get out early

462
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Speaker 3: because you had bad day, or just get a good ball, whatever,

463
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Speaker 3: it's over.

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Speaker 2: Whereas when you're bowling.

465
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Speaker 3: And it's not going well, often you have to go

466
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Speaker 3: back for more and more part and I love to

467
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Speaker 3: get and I think, oh, I wish I was badding.

468
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Speaker 1: Because you just put me out of my misery.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Sometimes booing it's just like, oh my god, yeah

470
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Speaker 2: hear me. I'm down.

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Speaker 1: dot AU Okay, did you get to watch Nicola McDermott

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Speaker 1: in the high jump in Tokyo?

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she was amazing. It was just that reminded me

486
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Speaker 1: while you were talking. And I loved how she had

487
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Speaker 1: She obviously had like her journal that she was writing

488
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Speaker 1: things in, but then she also had a T shirt

489
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Speaker 1: and she would rank herself in different areas of her jump,

490
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Speaker 1: Like I think she gave herself a score out of

491
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Speaker 1: ten for all the different elements of her attempt, and

492
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Speaker 1: it was so I was so amazed at probably her

493
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Speaker 1: discipline to be competing with so much pressure on you

494
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Speaker 1: at like the pinnacle at the Olympics and to still

495
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Speaker 1: come down after every jump and sit there and like

496
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Speaker 1: give herself a score. But I love that idea of

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Speaker 1: like breaking it down and being like, Okay, this is

498
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Speaker 1: what I didn't do. Well there, I'll go and work

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Speaker 1: on that. Like I think for a lot of like

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Speaker 1: young kids coming out through sports, it's kind of a

501
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Speaker 1: cool way to attack something, whatever the skill.

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Speaker 2: Is, Oh, without a doubt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And athletes are amazing creatures often creatures of habit too. Yeah,

504
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Speaker 3: and yeah, I think you like say right, like the

505
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Speaker 3: way that she just sort of stuck it exactly who

506
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Speaker 3: she is and what she does and like, you know,

507
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Speaker 3: are you really the most important event and you know,

508
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Speaker 3: one of the most important events moments of their life?

509
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Speaker 3: Like it was really really cool and I love that

510
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Speaker 3: in doing that, like that expressed so much of her

511
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Speaker 3: personality and who she is as well, And I think

512
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Speaker 3: that's that's the point. Like, if you can find things

513
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Speaker 3: that are sort of really authentic to who you are

514
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: and fit with how you work and you know, the

515
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Speaker 3: kind of athlete that you are, is really cool because

516
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 3: ultimately it makes it really easy to like keep doing

517
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Speaker 3: those things, and those habits are sort of almost innate,

518
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Speaker 3: so can you know, like you sort of look at it,

519
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Speaker 3: look sideways at different people and what they're do and

520
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Speaker 3: you think, oh, I should do that, But like if

521
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Speaker 3: it doesn't fit you and it doesn't feel like natural

522
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Speaker 3: and almost it's a bit contrived doing it, then it's

523
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Speaker 3: probably not you.

524
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Speaker 2: So after the fun is actually finding like.

525
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Speaker 3: What fits you, like your routine or your process or

526
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Speaker 3: the way that you learn best don't improve best is

527
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Speaker 3: really nice and certainly you sort of take little bits

528
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 3: pieces from all different sources, but ultimately it's sort of

529
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Speaker 3: like what you put together is very much particular to you,

530
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Speaker 3: and I think trying to teach younger players that is

531
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Speaker 3: a challenge because that takes time to evolve and often

532
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Speaker 3: like you can't give them the answers straight away or

533
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: they can't find the answer straight away. So then like

534
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Speaker 3: this is sort of an element of patience and working

535
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Speaker 3: through that until you find what fits.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love. I think that's one of my favorite things.

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Speaker 1: The more I've played sport, the more I've realized I think,

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Speaker 1: like like you're saying, I kind of always thought I

539
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Speaker 1: had to fit in this exact box of what an

540
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Speaker 1: elite athlete did, how they behaved, how they performed, and

541
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Speaker 1: everyone who wanted to be successful had to do it

542
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Speaker 1: exactly like that. But I think it's nicely the more

543
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Speaker 1: you see of other people who are successful that go

544
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Speaker 1: about it in really different ways, Like it's all right

545
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Speaker 1: that you don't fit that exact box of being this

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Speaker 1: elite athlete.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and totally, and even that that evolves over time.

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Speaker 3: Like I was chanting to a coach the other day

549
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Speaker 3: and he made this amazing point that I hadn't really.

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Speaker 2: Thought about until he said it.

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Speaker 3: But like about listening to athletes, you know that might

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Speaker 3: be retired and then reflecting on their career and saying, oh,

553
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Speaker 3: this is this is what I believe in and this

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Speaker 3: is what I would have done. And this athlete might

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Speaker 3: be in their forties speaking from you know, a level

556
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Speaker 3: of a huge perspective and you know, past experience and

557
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Speaker 3: wisdom almost so that's that suits them there and then

558
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Speaker 3: and probably towards the end of their career.

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Speaker 2: But what they did as a twenty year old like

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Speaker 2: that was probably.

561
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Speaker 3: Just as relevant and just a suitable for them at

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Speaker 3: that point in time. But once you get to the

563
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Speaker 3: end of your career, you don't have that reflection on

564
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Speaker 3: what you did as twenty year old is actually being

565
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Speaker 3: really important. Yea, you just think, oh, no, I've got

566
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Speaker 3: all the answers now I should have done that when

567
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Speaker 3: I was twenty. But in fact, if that makes sense,

568
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Speaker 3: whereas I think you know as a young twenty year old,

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Speaker 3: what you do then is equally as important.

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Speaker 2: It might be different, it might not be perfect, but it.

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Speaker 3: Kind of instills all these different ideas and understandings and

572
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Speaker 3: helps you of old to be like I guess, the

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Speaker 3: ultimate level of athlete that you can be when you're older.

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Speaker 3: But you can't instill that in a twenty year old,

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Speaker 3: Like it's just a different level of learning and understanding,

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Speaker 3: and like maybe some given example to make this a

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Speaker 3: bit more understandable. It's like a twenty year old probably

578
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Speaker 3: can train too much and do too many hours or

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Speaker 3: like constantly sort of put themselves through stuff and maybe

580
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Speaker 3: being inefficient in what they're doing. But like you need

581
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Speaker 3: to do that as a twenty year old to figure

582
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Speaker 3: things out. Now, Like as a thirty five year old athlete,

583
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Speaker 3: if you train that much, you probably get injured and

584
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Speaker 3: probably be pretty inefficient with your time.

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Speaker 2: But I think that's a really.

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Speaker 3: Important process for twenty year old to go through. If

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Speaker 3: they're still doing that at thirty, then you kind of like,

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Speaker 3: well maybe they have I haven't learnt a lot or

589
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Speaker 3: haven't evolved. But I think it's hard for someone an

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Speaker 3: old g athlete to tell younger athlete like this is

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Speaker 3: what you should be doing, yeah, because they haven't gone

592
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Speaker 3: through that experience and they might need to just spend

593
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: lots and lots of our doing something to actually figure

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Speaker 3: it out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I really like that, and I like the analogy too.

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Speaker 1: That's really cool. About six weeks ago, I fraction my chekbone.

597
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Speaker 1: I was due to go to Tokyo and play rugby sevens,

598
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Speaker 1: but I fractioned my cheekbone, had to put three have

599
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Speaker 1: three plates put into my face, got ruled out, and

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Speaker 1: watching the girls compete was such a strange feeling of

601
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Speaker 1: so many mixed emotions where I had been through this

602
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Speaker 1: whole training process with them, through so much uncertainty with COVID,

603
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Speaker 1: and the intensity of rugby sevens is so high that

604
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Speaker 1: it was just exhausting, so to see there was so

605
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Speaker 1: much that I wanted to see them go out and perform,

606
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Speaker 1: and then there was this part to me that was

607
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Speaker 1: holding my breath and I was like, are they going

608
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Speaker 1: to go and win a gold medal? And I'm going

609
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Speaker 1: to be sitting here watching it on the TV. And

610
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Speaker 1: they played in the quarterfinal and they actually lost to

611
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Speaker 1: Fiji and they got knocked out a lot earlier than

612
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Speaker 1: what we would have hoped. And I got into my

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Speaker 1: car afterwards and I just Mom called me, and I

614
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Speaker 1: just like it was like all of this emotion just

615
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: like flooded out of me, Like I was just like

616
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Speaker 1: bawling my eyes out, And it was so weird because

617
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Speaker 1: since the injury, I hadn't really had any anything like that,

618
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Speaker 1: but it was like all this weird confusion of like

619
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Speaker 1: what do I actually want to happen here? Kind of

620
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: just came here flooding out, and I thought I usually

621
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Speaker 1: played an audio clip, so I've got one that I

622
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: might quickly play for you if you're just tuning in.

623
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Speaker 1: This is not a good sign for Australia that they

624
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Speaker 1: managed to get through here. I go through to the semifinals.

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Speaker 3: I was a good pickup and she threw off balance

626
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Speaker 3: in a hamstreak and she's gone straight away.

627
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Speaker 2: You can see the pain, the grimace on her face.

628
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Speaker 1: So semi final of the T twenty World Cup on

629
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Speaker 1: home soil, went to pick up a ball and your

630
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: hammy went and then got ruled out of the final,

631
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Speaker 1: which ended up being a record breaking crowd of eighty

632
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Speaker 1: six thousand people, the biggest crowd ever for a sporting

633
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Speaker 1: event for Australian women. What was that process like for you?

634
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Speaker 1: Did you have that level of mixed emotions? Did you

635
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Speaker 1: even have time to process those emotions?

636
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Speaker 2: Oh?

637
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, and no, like I think any as soon

638
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: as it happened like that was probably going to be

639
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Speaker 3: the end of something. It just felt like pretty the off,

640
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 3: I suppose, but yeah, like that that whole tournament was

641
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 3: a bit of a whirl win and like we were

642
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: sort of flying around the country and going from one

643
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 3: game to the next, and yeah, it was like it

644
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: was super cool, Like there's so much attention on the team,

645
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 3: and it was the most kind of like and coverage

646
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: would ever had. It was like the most analysis of

647
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Speaker 3: the team and players in our form, and yeah, that

648
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Speaker 3: was just so much interesting in the calm and it

649
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Speaker 3: just felt like it's a really special time.

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Speaker 2: And it was also like super challenging. We weren't playing great.

651
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Speaker 3: In the round games and there was still like some

652
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Speaker 3: question marks over players.

653
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Speaker 2: And how we're going.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, so that was probably the context of it.

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Speaker 3: And then I did my hammy and it was like

656
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Speaker 3: actually sorry, going back just a little bit. Like the

657
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Speaker 3: lead up to the World Cup, we sort of played

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Speaker 3: some matches in Australia against England and India and.

659
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: They were really competitive. And then at the end of that.

660
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 3: Were supposed to transition into the World Cup phase and

661
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 3: one of our fast bowlers, who's like a really good mate,

662
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 3: unfortunately like they found a stress fracture in a thought,

663
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 3: which is really serious, and so she got ruled out

664
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 3: of the World Cup at the start of that and

665
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 3: that was like really emotional for the whole team because

666
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 3: like she's such a great teammate, Like we're just devastated

667
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 3: to see, you know, like her dreams kind of not

668
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: be fulfilled. So I think the team had been through

669
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: a lot and then and then yeah, I did my

670
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: hammy and we had we had a couple of games

671
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 3: left and like the biggest games of the tournament, and

672
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: I think you probably just reverted at that.

673
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: Point of view point in time to Okay, like.

674
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 3: What impact positively, if any can I have on the

675
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 3: team not being out of play? And yeah, I always

676
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: feel really really grateful because a coach and the ladyship

677
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 3: team wanted me to stay around for the last.

678
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 2: Two games and then not go home.

679
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 3: And I think you just kind of flip in automatically

680
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 3: into like, all right, what can I contribute, because that's

681
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 3: the thing, like when you're in a team, you just

682
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 3: want to contribute positively in any way, And so I

683
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: think I just kind of got really focused on that

684
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 3: and making sure that like any impact that I had

685
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 3: around the environment was positive and upbeat. And so that

686
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 3: was probably like a really good distraction for more I

687
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 3: guess self centered thoughts about like what does this mean,

688
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be able to play and it's kind

689
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 3: of arguably the biggest tournament of our careers and all that.

690
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 2: Kind of stuff. But I guess like.

691
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 3: You're going through all that and watching the final and

692
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: banging at the ground and taking it all in.

693
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 2: I don't really philosophical point of view.

694
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: Even though I didn't play in a game, and of

695
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 3: course with Deally i'd love to, I don't really feel

696
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: like I missed out on too much. Like there's sort

697
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: of like this sense of experience for everyone that's been

698
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 3: involved in women's cricket, you know, not just the eleven

699
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 3: girls that played that much, but you know, our whole

700
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: our broader squad and staff for the tournament, but also

701
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 3: like former players, administrators, anyone that's like been attached to

702
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 3: women's cricket before. Still like a game for evoritee and

703
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: we all experienced it in our own way, and it

704
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 3: was it was really.

705
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: Special and memorable and.

706
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 3: Like probably like the strongest memory that I have from

707
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 3: that whole tournament was just before the game started, just

708
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: before Katie Perry came on.

709
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: The field doing concept, which is just desiring itself.

710
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: But the girls have warned up, they'd all gone in

711
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: to get ready, and I just had like a you know,

712
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 3: thirty seconds of spare time to stand in the middle

713
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 3: of the mcg on the pitch and literally just did

714
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: like a three sixty on the spot to take in like, yeah,

715
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: the eighty six people that have Limey Stadium and like

716
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: that's never ever, ever happened for us before. And it

717
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: was just like this amazing feeling of like having like

718
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 3: eighty thousand people bearing down on you and you just

719
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: this tiny figure in the middle of the ground, and

720
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: like to know that our sport and you know, in

721
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 3: large parts our team had kind of created that was

722
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: It was really cool, and I think I've just always

723
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 3: like hold onto that moment, and yeah, I think it's

724
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: sort of given me like so much satisfaction it self

725
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 3: that obviously missing out was Yeah, it was really tough,

726
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 3: but at the same time, I didn't fully miss out,

727
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: if that makes sense.

728
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: Did you ever, like if you think back to when

729
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: you made your debut and a lot of the time

730
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: I look at where women's sport is at now and

731
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: I kind of I feel like we've made too much progress,

732
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: and then I think there's obviously still such a long

733
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: way to go. Cricket has been, I guess at the

734
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: forefront comparing across women's sports in terms of the levels

735
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: of professionalism, the CBAS and things that have been introduced

736
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: around payment, player salaries, pregnancy policies. Are you content with

737
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: how far it's come now since you made your debut.

738
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: In like this very moment, yes, but content from a

739
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: further development point of view, I think there's like so

740
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 3: much more to do, which is really exciting. But yeah,

741
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 3: absolutely it's been. It's been phenomenal, and I don't think

742
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 3: when I started the girls before anyone would have forecast

743
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: where we're at now. And I really thought that that

744
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 3: was possible my first tour when I was still at school.

745
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: You know, all the girls in the team had another

746
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: job or they were studying. No one was paid at

747
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 3: all for playing for their country lit alone like state

748
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: or domestic cricket. And then at the end of that

749
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 3: tour was the first time they brought in in contract,

750
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 3: but the contracts are like at three tiers. That was

751
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 3: sort of like five ten thousand or fifteen thousand dollars

752
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 3: for twelve months, so everyone still sort of did the

753
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: same thing. It's crazy with a job or studying and

754
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: then yeah, like that just steadily built over time and

755
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: it's sort of got this stipping point and I can't

756
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 3: remember when now, but they brought in full time contracts

757
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 3: with the Australian team and that was that was huge,

758
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: Like it was kind of life changing for some of

759
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 3: the players, especially those that have been involved for a

760
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 3: long period of time and always worked. It sort of

761
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 3: almost added a couple of years to their careers and

762
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: then for it to continue to evolve and now we've

763
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: got full time domestic players as well, it is incredible.

764
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 3: And that's just one example of one sport. Like looking

765
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: across the landscape, Yeah, and your experiences with rugby sevens

766
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: and the AFLW, you know, soccer in a weird way,

767
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: like I think there's probably still a lot more opportunity

768
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 3: overseas for the top players than there is in Australia.

769
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: But still it's a great and viable career choice. You know.

770
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 3: The netball has always sort of been at the front, forefront,

771
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 3: like lots of sports doing what they can to provide

772
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 3: these opportunities to female athletes. And basically basically professionalize their sport.

773
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: It's really cool, and I think at the same time,

774
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: like there's just been this amazing shift in society and

775
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: the way that we look at things, and particularly around

776
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: equality and people's interest in women's sport and seeing as

777
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: a really viable commercial product and companies wanting to imburst

778
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 3: in a people wanting to watch, media wanting to buy

779
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 3: rights to broadcast. Yeah, it's been this like lovely melting

780
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: pot of things coming together and then hopefully that's has

781
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: said like this is kind of like the base level,

782
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: and we build on this over the coming years. But

783
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 3: I think the fact that it's been built on such

784
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: strong foundations now and has like a really strong backing

785
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 3: from you know what, from society really and what people

786
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 3: want to see.

787
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: Is super important.

788
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: Every week on the show, I have a question from

789
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: my granny and from a six year old. I might

790
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: start with six year old Freda's question high list.

791
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 3: Do you ever get bored when you're fielding?

792
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: Oh that's a really good question, Freda. I shouldn't really

793
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: admit this.

794
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 3: Not bored, but I think my mind, my mind wanders

795
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 3: a little bit, and it's always nice. I think like

796
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 3: when you're standing in a big open field because you

797
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 3: just sort of look around for different stimulus and what

798
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 3: different things that kind of keep you entertained. But a

799
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: me Raida, particularly in the last couple of years, what

800
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 3: I really realized, I actually just get really sore fielding

801
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 3: when you're standing. When you're standing still or not moving

802
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 3: too much for a long period of time, I actually

803
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 3: just like to run around a little bit and try

804
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 3: and stay pretty active so that that doesn't happen.

805
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: So I don't get too bored. I can always go

806
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: and chat to a teammate or something. Toy stuff.

807
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: Very nice, all right, question from Granny hi Elice. You've

808
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: achieved so much in your life already away from sport.

809
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: What are you most proud of?

810
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 2: Oh?

811
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: I think, to be honest, like, I'm just feel incredibly

812
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: fortunate to growing up in the family that I have.

813
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 3: You know, my mum and my dad and my brother

814
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 3: have just been such amazing influences and support to me

815
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 3: and my broader family and friends as well.

816
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: But I think it just feels so fortunate to have

817
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: had that, incredibly proud that they're my family. And yeah,

818
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 2: I often think, like when I'm playing Sporan stuff, like.

819
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: If it wasn't for them, there's no way having these

820
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 3: experiences and opportunities and in essence, like hopefully it makes

821
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 3: them really happy as well, and they get to share

822
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: in some of it. So I think that's what makes

823
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: me like the most proud.

824
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: That's really special. Grannie would love that. She's yeah, all

825
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: about family, so she will love that one.

826
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: Oh thanks, Gernie.

827
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: I want to talk about your You've had many many

828
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: accolades and awards, but the ICC Women's Player of the

829
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: Decade is a pretty huge statement about what you have

830
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: achieved as a cricketer. What emotions come with receiving an

831
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: award by that?

832
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 3: I probably thought, first of all, I'm definitely getting old because.

833
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: Decade.

834
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 3: I've been around for decades, so they just had to

835
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 3: do it, hung around for a decade. Yeah, pretty much,

836
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 3: citizenship awards, Yeah, I think like probably like the biggest

837
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: thing was just like.

838
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: Like I said, like incredibly honored and.

839
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, really really lovely and yeah, looking at like so

840
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 3: many other players that have been involved in our sport

841
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 3: and done so much, like to even be considered alongside

842
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: them in that that period of time was it was

843
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: really cool. But I suppose like it was fulfilling in

844
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: the sense that I've always kind of wanted to have

845
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 3: some longevity in the sport, and I remember really consciously

846
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 3: making that.

847
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: My mind up around that when I had like went

848
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: on my.

849
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 3: First tour and seven it would have been, and I

850
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 3: just thought, like, this is really really cool. I want

851
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: to I want to be involved in this for a

852
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: long time. Then like I don't want to just kind

853
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 3: of like fleet fleetingly come in and then kind of

854
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 3: played out. So yeah, I think that probably it was

855
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: the first time that like receiving that a what I went, oh, okay,

856
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: like I actually have been around for a while and

857
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 3: seen so much and been through so much, and like

858
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: to what we were talking about before, like the evolutionists,

859
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: the sport has been probably like the biggest highlight that

860
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: I've had across my career is just to see and

861
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: live where it's come from and where it is now. Yeah,

862
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 3: so it kind of made me reflect on those things

863
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 3: a little bit.

864
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 1: I think, is there any element of like you talked

865
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: about all the hours with your dad, like in the

866
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: nets and things like that, is there any element where

867
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, that was all worth it, or do

868
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: you look at it in the way that that stuff

869
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: brought you joy and you you got to much out

870
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: of that, regardless that the awards don't impact.

871
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: That, Oh yeah, I don't think.

872
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's certainly never felt like a chore or at

873
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 3: least where it gets used a little bit like a

874
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: sacrifice to go and do all that. And I remember

875
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 3: listening to Anethorpe saying something once and it really resonated

876
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: with me.

877
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: Was like he got asked about like what he.

878
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 3: Had to sacrifice and to become the swimmer that he was,

879
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 3: and he kind of said something along the lines of, well,

880
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: anything that I've sacrificed, I've been repaid tenfold in what

881
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: I've been.

882
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: Able to experience and achieve. And I thought, like, that's

883
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: that's really really true, Like.

884
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think like for me, it's sort of

885
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 3: been this wonderful process and experience and you know, as

886
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: enjoyable as some of you know, the matches that I've

887
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 3: played in and the comps that we've won and the

888
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: places that we've gone, is is still like the heaps

889
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 3: and he and heaps of hours and I've spent like

890
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 3: at the local nets with Dad hitting credaballs.

891
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: That's as special.

892
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 3: And it's kind of the essence of it in a

893
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 3: lot of ways, Like you take away all the I guess,

894
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 3: the lives and you know, the fancy stuff, and it's

895
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 3: just like it could be any two people like Daughdren

896
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 3: and father at the Nettes like kidding, criticall, which is

897
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: pretty cool.

898
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: That's really cool. I like that a lot. I'm interested

899
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: to go back to this, I guess discussion around women's

900
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: sports and the female athlete, and I've read a lot

901
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: where you've talked about wanting it to just be called sport,

902
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: or just be called athletes, or just cricket players rather

903
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: than female cricket players. I guess I'm interested in how

904
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: you see it because there's still so much inequality that exists.

905
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: And I had this kind of debate with myself when

906
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: I was naming this, this podcast in this platform, which

907
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: is kind of why we did the female in brackets,

908
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: This idea that we're still trying to I guess highlight

909
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: female athletes and the hope that one day it would

910
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: just be called the athlete project. That was kind of

911
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: our idea behind it. Where do you see that balance

912
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: of wanting it to just be called sport but still

913
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: needing so much more funding and so much more to

914
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: be put into women's sports. If that question makes sense.

915
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it makes total sense. Yeah, And it's it's

916
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 3: sort of like a bit of a convoluted.

917
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 2: Answer.

918
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 3: I suppose, like in my mind anyway, because like pirsontally,

919
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 3: like like our femininity and like our distinguishing characteristics are

920
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 3: what make us special and what you want to celebrate,

921
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 3: and I think also our greatest asset, because like there

922
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 3: is inherent differences between male and female sport that make

923
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: both them equally enjoyable and entertaining and worthwhile following and

924
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: supporting and watching and being involved in.

925
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 2: So I think, like you really want to hold onto that.

926
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: But then at the same.

927
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 3: Time, what I what's important is like demolishing the comparison

928
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 3: I suppose between the two and just seeing them as

929
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 3: a sport but also as equally entertaining but different products,

930
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 3: if that makes sense. So I think, you know, and

931
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 3: this is definitely starting to evolve and doesn't happen as much,

932
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 3: but certainly, like you know, when I first started out,

933
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 3: for example, like all the lines of questioning and all

934
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 3: the kind of like ways that things were written about

935
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 3: women's sport was in direct comparison to men's sport. Now,

936
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 3: whether that was this player is the female version of

937
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 3: this player, or right this this team or this athlete

938
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 3: gets paid a quarter of what the male team or

939
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 3: athlete gets paid, or they get this many people that

940
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 3: are game and then men get this many game people. So, like,

941
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 3: to me, that was really detrimental because it kind of

942
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: just became this like again, I'm going to watch women's sport,

943
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 3: but through the lens of male sport, and this is

944
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 3: what I'm seeing, rather than like again, like kind of

945
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 3: them being to different entities. And I really love watching

946
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 3: female sport because it's an amazing competition to girls.

947
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: Play this way.

948
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: The tactics are like this, these are the best teams,

949
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 3: are the best players.

950
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: This is what's going on.

951
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 3: So I think that's like that's been a really important

952
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 3: piece of it, and and it's certainly slowly evolving, and

953
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 3: and that's why I think it's okay to still celebrate

954
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 3: our differences and like what it inherently characteristically makes women's

955
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 3: sport women's sport. And you know, like even the way

956
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 3: that it was sort of like at the moment, like

957
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 3: a period of time that we're in terms of professionalism,

958
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 3: Like it looks very different to male sport, and I

959
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: think a lot of people really appreciate that. Like you

960
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 3: probably get the a rawer version or a more authentic

961
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 3: version of of the sport or you know, the teams

962
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: and athletes and you're doing in the male sphere because

963
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 3: it's been so heavily professionalized for a long time. So yeah,

964
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 3: I'm sort of waffling, but they're kind of like the

965
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 3: keys I think to it. And then it's just really

966
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 3: evolving society that attitude, and then like the narrative that

967
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 3: gets printed in the media and the way that the

968
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 3: game's coveraged and covered thor and the people that are

969
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: involved in the sport commercially and organizationally to make.

970
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 2: Sure that there's always an equality of opportunity, but the

971
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: equality of outcome is different, like and it's it's sort

972
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: of inherent to you know, the sport.

973
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: I suppose do you see yourself doing something in this

974
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: space post career or even as you as you're still playing.

975
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 3: I really put any designs on doing anything like that. Yeah, anyway,

976
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 3: Like I think just being a part of it and

977
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 3: still playing and like that often feels like as a

978
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 3: team it can be really powerful and in.

979
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: Some of the things that we do.

980
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: And yeah, I've definitely noticed, actually, like in the last

981
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 3: couple of years, almost since that World Cup final, that

982
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: some of our girls have really found their voice in

983
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 3: different ways. And yeah, and no one's got the same voice,

984
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 3: which is quite cool. Like there's the diversity of opinion

985
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 3: or interest or what people want to speak about and

986
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 3: advocate for. So I think like when you when you're

987
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 3: a player, you've probably got no better seat to sort

988
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 3: of speak about that stuff or too, you know, action things.

989
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 3: So at the moment, like, yeah, that's all I've kind

990
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 3: of really thought about. I don't know in the future.

991
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: Okay, I like it. We finish every interview with three

992
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: would you rather questions? Yeah, number one, would you rather?

993
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: So you arrive at the ground for the final of

994
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: the World Cup. You've forgotten your favorite bat or your

995
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: cricket Choose do you call them? Cricket?

996
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: Choose?

997
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: What do you call them?

998
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? Spikes?

999
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: Forgotten your favorite bat of your spikes?

1000
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 2: Can I ask a much question? I can't play in spikes.

1001
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 2: Doesn't that I have to play joggers?

1002
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: Maybe you can borrow someone's who don't really fit you

1003
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: that well?

1004
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,479
Speaker 2: Probably would rather have forgotten my bat? My favorite bat?

1005
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, the spikes are important. This is this

1006
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: number two, imagining that soccer is still on the cards.

1007
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: Would you rather win Comm Games gold in twenty twenty

1008
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: two in cricket or Olympic gold with the Matilda's in

1009
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.

1010
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,959
Speaker 2: Well, if we're living in a fantasy world, probably Olympic gold.

1011
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1012
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: It's with all your respect to the down but yeah yeah.

1013
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: Number three? Would you rather own be able to drink

1014
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: Nest Cafe instant coffee or never drink coffee again?

1015
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 2: I see? I love Nest Cafe really yeah? Yeah, I

1016
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: sort of have some of my locker at training every day, and.

1017
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: Oh, you're onto it. I thought you were like like

1018
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: full coffee snob level.

1019
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 2: Oh I reckon.

1020
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 3: I go through the spectrum, so I can be very

1021
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 3: snobby and like and go go for me hard call,

1022
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 3: but then love a little bit of next cafe. But

1023
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 3: to me, they're like totally different things. Like yes, okay,

1024
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: it's not really snobby coffee. It's very different, two different.

1025
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: Things, Okay, versatile. I like it. Thank you so much

1026
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 1: for coming on for a chat. It's yeah, a massive

1027
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: honor to I guess have a chance to chat to

1028
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: you about so many different things throughout your career and

1029
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: including a mindset. I found that stuff super interesting, and

1030
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: I think for me and so many other athletes who've

1031
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: seen the way that you've progressed throughout your career, you've been,

1032
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: I guess, at the forefront for a lot of female athletes.

1033
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: I think you've led the way in the way that

1034
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: you've not only performed, but the way that you carry

1035
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: yourself off the field as well, and it's been incredibly inspirational.

1036
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: So thank you for everything that you've done to I

1037
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: guess helped to continue to lift a whole range of

1038
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: other female athletes across the world.

1039
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 3: Oh thanks equally, Like I have loved following your journey.

1040
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 3: We're both with the rugby sevens and then with a

1041
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 3: fl W and like maybe we could have mentioned it earlier,

1042
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 3: but I believe we share the same high school. So

1043
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 3: that's pretty cool to me too.

1044
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah college.

1045
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, two girls chatting, Yes.

1046
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 3: In probably like a couple of sports that weren't traditionally

1047
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 3: that popular at school. So it's been been really cool

1048
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 3: chatting and seeing progress as well.

1049
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1050
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually on that, it's cool that I've been back

1051
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: to pinball last year during COVID, I went to coach

1052
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: and they now have both RUG sevens and AFL W,

1053
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: which when you and I would have been there at school,

1054
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: that just was was not really even a question for

1055
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 1: girls to be playing contact sports like that at school.

1056
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 3: No all, and I think, quite ironically, the cricket program

1057
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 3: is kind of decimated, so.

1058
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 2: He's taken all about all of that players.

1059
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 3: No, totally totally cool to just see like how that's

1060
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 3: evolved from when we finished school to where it is now.

1061
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: I'm just like cowing to it. So many young girls

1062
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry, I know you're wrapping this podcast up,

1063
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 2: but like even just like people that go to the.

1064
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 3: Games, Like something I've always chatting about is like at

1065
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 3: the end of our our matches now like when the

1066
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 3: kids sort of line up around the fence to meet

1067
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 3: the girls and get signatures, there's equally it's many young

1068
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 3: boys like aunts and pump to meet the girls are

1069
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 3: young girls, and like the families are really into it.

1070
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 3: And I think I keep thinking, like when that young

1071
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 3: boy or girl is eighteen years old, yeah, they're going

1072
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 3: to be fans of women's sport. And I think It's

1073
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 3: totally normal to go along to a game for tune

1074
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 3: in on Telly and not even think twice about it.

1075
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just think it's really exciting for the future.

1076
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really cool. I love that. Oh and my

1077
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: final question, where can people find you on Instagram?

1078
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: Oh? I think it's just my name Attalie's Ferry. I'm

1079
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 2: pretty sure. Great.

1080
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: Love it. Yeah, thank you so much. Thanks, thanks so

1081
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: much for listening. If you got something out of this episode,

1082
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: I would absolutely love it. If you could send it

1083
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,760
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1084
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,920
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1085
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1086
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,960
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