1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Bunjelung Calcottin woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Thursday, 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: the twenty first of September. I'm Sam, I'm Zara. You 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: know Dylan Orcott from his time as Australian of the 10 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: Year and for his sporting achievements. Now he's working to 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: change the way people with disabilities are featured on screen 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: and in particular in mainstream advertising. 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 3: Probably the thing I struggled with the most, outside of 14 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 3: getting bulluted when I was a young kid, was when 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 3: I turned on the TV, newspaper radio, I never saw 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 3: anybody like me and I saw people like you. 17 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: Dylan's going to join me in the deep dive to 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: talk about the launch of a new campaign to try 19 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: and change things up. It's called Shift twenty but FIRS 20 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: Era another airline update goodness, another one they love a headline. 21 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 4: Now Quantus will enter negotiations with the Transport Workers' Union 22 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 4: to come up with a payout figure after the airline's 23 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 4: defeat in the High Court earlier this month, the union 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 4: successfully argued the Quantus unlawfully sacked seventeen hundred baggage handlers 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 4: during the pandemic. They will now enter mediation to agree 26 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 4: on a compensation package to be paid to those affected workers. 27 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: A Victorian fugitive has been shot dead by police. It 28 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 2: brings to end a three day manhunt. Police found Stanley 29 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: Turvey near the northern Victorian town of Shepperton on Wednesday 30 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: morning after receiving a tip off about his whereabouts. Turvey, 31 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: who police say was armed, died at the scene. Earlier 32 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: this week, Turvey shot at police before authorities lost track 33 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: of him, and he'd also been accused of assault and 34 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: stealing a car. 35 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 4: New online safety laws have passed in the UK aimed 36 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 4: at banning miners from accessing pawn. Mandatory age life elements 37 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 4: will be rolled out which could require users to verify 38 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 4: their age and block under eighteens from seeing age inappropriate content, 39 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 4: but the specifics around the actual technology yet to be specified. 40 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 2: And today's good news is snow small feat The number 41 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: of snow leopards in Bhutan has increased by forty percent 42 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: in the last seven years. Three hundred and ten cameras 43 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 2: surveyed over nine thousand kilometers of snow leopard happitat across 44 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: the country and ever revealed numbers of the vulnerable listed 45 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 2: species are improving. Wilderness preservation advocates said the results should 46 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: act as continued inspiration for the protection of this elusive species. Dylan, 47 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: thanks for joining us at the Tdaight offices this morning. 48 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: Really appreciate you coming in. 49 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: Great to be here and from Afar for a while. 50 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: You know, I love the PDA, so dashould come in 51 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 3: and say good eight. Everyone's cool. 52 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: We had this period early on when every post we 53 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: did about you winning a tennis tournament would just do 54 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: better than every other post. 55 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: You didn't get on the bandwag and you OG's getting 56 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 3: around me, which I was very great. 57 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 5: Yeah it was true though. 58 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 59 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: So I've got this theory about you, and I want 60 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: you to tell me if it's right or wrong. 61 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. 62 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: My theory is that you've got a mental pie chart 63 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: in your brain of different parts of society and you 64 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: systematically go through one by one trying to figure out 65 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: how to make it better for people with a disability. 66 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 2: And you started with sport, and then you moved into 67 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: politics and healthcare and now you're onto representation. Is that 68 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 2: how you're thinking about your career? 69 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 3: You give me too much credit, brother, I know this 70 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 3: sounds simplified. I just wake up every day and try 71 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: and be myself and in doing that try and change 72 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 3: perceptions around disability. I don't actually wake up to be 73 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: a role more or an advocate. But what I will 74 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 3: say is that I just try to come up with 75 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: innovative ways to change perceptions around disability. 76 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 5: And I'm so lucky that people back me and we 77 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 5: were able to do it. 78 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 3: But yes, there's multiple industries that I really want to 79 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 3: try and have an impact in. Obviously sport was one 80 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: of them. Employment is a big one. Healthcare was another one, 81 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 3: with endias media representation, and then I'm just going to 82 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 3: retire and do nothing. 83 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 5: That story around. 84 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: But I don't know, there's no kind of there's no 85 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: order in your brain of how to go about this, not. 86 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 3: Really, but I want to do lots of different things 87 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 3: all at the same time, and I think just a 88 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 3: testament of having a crack and being bold and having 89 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 3: ideas and putting them out there, and things happen across 90 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: and you'll be surprised. 91 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 5: And you know this as a young entrepreneur. 92 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 3: People back here, people really do get around you sometimes 93 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 3: and it can be scary, and things will fail and 94 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: you'll get things wrong, but you know, as long as 95 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 3: you do it with the right mindset. But also my 96 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: purpose is that is the change those perceptions. I don't 97 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 3: care how many likes to get or followers or any 98 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 3: of that crap. I couldn't kill less, and obviously having 99 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 3: a platform helps with that stuff. But the reason I 100 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 3: get out of bed it is that every day it's 101 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 3: never been windbed and it's never to win gold medals. 102 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 5: It has been to support my community. 103 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: And when you care about something that's bigger like that, 104 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 3: you end up winning more gold medals and grants because 105 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 3: you don't care as much. But the fact that we 106 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 3: keep doing these things and the public keeps backing us, man, 107 00:04:59,240 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: I'm very grateful for it. 108 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: And so now the latest one in your Sam Kozlowski 109 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: appointed checklist is media representation. I want you to talk 110 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: me through what it was like growing up in terms 111 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 2: of what you were seeing in media and television. 112 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 3: It was really hard, I'm honest. Probably the thing I 113 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: struggled with the most, outside of getting bullited when I 114 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 3: was a young kid was when I turned on the TV, newspaper, radio, 115 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 3: I never saw anybody like me. I saw people like you. 116 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: And when I did see someone like me, it was 117 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 3: an item of pity. For example, a road safety ad 118 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 3: where someone speeds as a car accident. The next scene 119 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 3: is someone like me in tears because their life's over. 120 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 3: What does that tell our society about disability, That it's 121 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 3: this negative, bad thing you don't want to have. So 122 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 3: I believe that, and that sucked. And the fact that 123 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 3: when I found out the real stats that twenty percent, 124 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 3: nearly twenty percent of the strained population, nearly twenty percent 125 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 3: of the world's population has some form of visible or 126 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: invisible disability, yet less than one percent or on our 127 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 3: screens globally. I just wanted to change that straightaway from 128 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 3: when I found that out when I was fifteen years old. 129 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 3: And I've been able to do it personally by being 130 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 3: on the Triple j's and the TVs or whatever. 131 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 5: But it's not just about me or a select few. 132 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 3: It's about all of us getting represented doing normal things 133 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 3: because we are normal. We eat, we eat food, we travel, 134 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 3: we bank, we read the daily ohs, we wear consumers, 135 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 3: but we often don't see ourselves represented and especially in 136 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 3: traditional forms of media, and hence why we wanted to 137 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 3: make an impact with the Shift twenty initiative around advertising. 138 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: Did you articulate that you weren't seeing anybody like you 139 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: on television when you were actually growing up as a 140 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: teen or is this kind of a reflection now looking back. 141 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 3: I didn't articulate it because I was embarrassed about my 142 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 3: disability too. My biggest regret ever in my life is 143 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 3: for two years that I had got bullied about my disability. 144 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 3: I had no representation, I didn't want to be here anymore, 145 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 3: and I didn't tell anybody, and that was a big 146 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 3: regret I overhead. I wasn't vulnble enough because I felt 147 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 3: like a burden and an embarrassment. And if I then 148 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 3: went by the way I want to say, you know, 149 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: like I was just lucky to get out of it 150 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: every day. But then when I really came started talking 151 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 3: about it and really going to terms of my mental health, 152 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 3: and started being the happy guy that I am today. 153 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 5: Bloody oath mate. 154 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: I wanted to make my life mission to get representation 155 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: because the best way to get social change is mainstream representation. 156 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 5: Right. 157 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: If you have mainstream representation, it effects mainstream schools at 158 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: effects employment and inflex leadership, positions in employment and effects sport, 159 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 3: and effects being on our screens, and effects going on 160 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 3: a date and effects a massive podcast. 161 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 5: Wanted to talk about it. You know what I mean? 162 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 5: See how I see how the flow on effect? Did 163 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 5: I think what happened? 164 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. I never thought any of this crap would happen. 165 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: I never thought, I mean Australia, what the hell like? 166 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 3: As if I ever thought that would happen. But the 167 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: reason it did is not because of me. It's because 168 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 3: of the people disability that came before me, but also 169 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 3: everybody getting around this journey for some reason, and we're 170 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 3: not able to do it together. 171 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 2: So let's say I'm a major bank and I want 172 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: to sign on to the SHIFT twenty initiative. How does 173 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: that work? What are my obligations and where do I 174 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: go from here? 175 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: You know the fact that we went to thirty of the 176 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 3: biggest brands and we're talking big, big brands like as 177 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 3: you said, A and z Amy Macks, Uber Tourism Australia, 178 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: Virgin Pantean or be I've Forgot an ib I forgot, 179 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: like the biggest brand. And they're all like, yeah, we're 180 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 3: already doing stuff. We just want to get better, right 181 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: and it's what's expected then yeah, so they want to 182 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: All these coalition of brands have made a commitment not 183 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,119 Speaker 3: to fix it overnight, but to eventually get to twenty 184 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: percent representation in all their marketing materials of people with disability, 185 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 3: because we are twenty percent of the population. The reason 186 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 3: they should do it first and foremost is not just 187 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 3: to be social responsible. It's good business because if you 188 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 3: see yourself someone like you know, you see yourself in 189 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 3: an ads and you go, oh, I might go buy that, 190 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 3: you know, that's the whole point or point of advertising. 191 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 3: That's why they should do it first and foremost because 192 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: that the fact that it is good business. But it's 193 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 3: it's not a commitment to fix it overnight, but it's 194 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 3: a commitment to listen, to live, experience, to learn and 195 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 3: do better. That's all we want, and that's all these 196 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 3: brands are committed to doing and the flow and effect 197 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 3: of that. If it's not just in advertising, it might 198 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 3: flow onto We wanted to flow onto employment. We wanted 199 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: to flow into education. We wanted to flow onto people 200 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 3: being more accessible in environments so socially we can go 201 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 3: on more dates and go to more events and you know, 202 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: go to more sporting things or whatever it is. You 203 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 3: see how it's like, oh, the web is all connected. 204 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 3: And you said at the start, you know, deally do 205 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 3: all these things. 206 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 5: It's all kind of connected. 207 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 3: It's just we've got to figure out ways to make 208 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 3: disability cool and sexy. And the way that you know 209 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: the fact that Buddy almost cried yesterday. One of the 210 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 3: young women in our EVA, she's thirty and she's the 211 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 3: new week Bix kid. 212 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 5: She got signed for twelve months. Like I almost cried 213 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 5: when I saw that, because. 214 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: If I'd seen that as that's such like an iconic mate. 215 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 3: I won eight weeks every day and as a kid too, 216 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 3: did the Weebix Triathon when I was a kid, but 217 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 3: there was no represented like the Weebix kids in a 218 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 3: wheelchair that he is huge. 219 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, the Amy woman Lara, she's blind. 220 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: He's also singing the jingle seeing Nathan borg do the 221 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 3: Bonds AD's I was landing in his underwear. His mission 222 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 3: is to make his disability sexy. Well, he's in underwear 223 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 3: on TV. But that ad is just cool seeing someone 224 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 3: you know communicating and I was on TV. 225 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 5: It's pretty sick man. 226 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 3: And I don't want, I mean, none of these ads, 227 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 3: and I don't want to be in ads, and I 228 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 3: want any credit because I've done nothing. You know, it's 229 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 3: so many people who've been involved in this. And we also, 230 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 3: we don't own this idea. We don't own the idea 231 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 3: of putting people disability in ads. You don't need to 232 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 3: join this year twenty in this shy if you can 233 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: just do it right. We want everyone worldwide to copy 234 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 3: us because it's what should happen. And my friend Bloody 235 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: blowing up mate, and all the I can't read the 236 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 3: comments because I get a bit like he called this 237 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: is probably my favorite comment. The person who designed our 238 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 3: website has disability, and he had some he said. He 239 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 3: wrote an email saying, I've had all my friends in 240 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 3: the disabled community message me today and they're also in 241 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 3: the same thing that they've never felt so seen, loved 242 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 3: and worthy. 243 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 5: That's why we're doing it, you know what I. 244 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: Mean, Which is funny that that self worth comes from, 245 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: of all places, advertising. 246 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 3: Just by seeing yourself one just by seeing yourself doing 247 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 3: normal things, not pretty carcroash victim or not hospital bed 248 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 3: to podium gold medalists, because they're just too unrealistic. There's 249 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 3: two You can't just have those things. You just need 250 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 3: us to do normal, ordinary things of us being normal people. 251 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 5: Because I get it. 252 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 3: Not everybody can be a Paralympian gold medal Australia, and 253 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 3: that's true. We need all kinds of different representation. And 254 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 3: that's my mission always to amplify the voices of more 255 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 3: people disability, especially when I was Astrainer of the Year 256 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 3: and that's when this idea was created in the way 257 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 3: that when I was Australian iist wanted to empower more people. 258 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 5: With disability to get out there. 259 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 3: And you partner with the special group who came up 260 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 3: with the idea over eight months to do something like 261 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 3: this in the y. 262 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 2: Westn So when you're working with these brands in terms 263 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: of guiding them through how to be part of the initiative, 264 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: have they learned anything surprising? 265 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 5: I think they have the things they've learned is one. 266 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 3: They couldn't believe that four and a half minion sstrants 267 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 3: have disability they even know exists. 268 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 5: That's one thing, so their consumer base is bigger. 269 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 3: Two, how great talent we can be in front and 270 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: behind the camera people with disability weren't just in front 271 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 3: of it. 272 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 5: People with visible and invisible disabilities made the commercials tell right. 273 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 3: And the fact that some people that worked on set 274 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: have now got jobs out of it, more jobs. Our 275 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 3: lighting guy was deaf and he was nervous how communicate 276 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: with people on set. He bought an interpreted day one, 277 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 3: but he lipbreads. He was so comfortable in day one, 278 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 3: didn't He goes, I don't have any interpretedorrow. I felt 279 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 3: safe here. How awesome is that we were more people 280 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 3: to follow that kind of stuff? And you know, the 281 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 3: third thing is like that the fact that they in 282 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 3: the past, and a lot of people say this, have 283 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: been too scared to engage because they don't want to 284 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 3: get it wrong. You are going to get this wrong, 285 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: and that's okay. I get things wrong all the time. 286 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 3: I know you do too. That's natural, right. You don't 287 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 3: need to know everything, but it's about listening to lived 288 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 3: experience and just trying to do better. And I think 289 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 3: they've realized it's probably easier than they thought and they 290 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 3: might have overcomplicated it. And we've been launched for what 291 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 3: a little while now, and I think we've had seventeen 292 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 3: brands set us up to Joan. 293 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: Already And what are you hoping that people who are 294 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: sitting on their lounge is watching maths? You know? And 295 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: then they say that had come up from amy with 296 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: people with the disability fronting that. What are you hoping 297 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: that they take out of that? 298 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 5: I think that's just normal. 299 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 3: Actually haven't told anyone this, but we released the ads 300 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: last week and no one ever noticed. That's the point. Wow, yeah, see, 301 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 3: so they've been out for a week and I didn't 302 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 3: really tell that in the media, these little scoop for you. 303 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 3: They've been out, but it is cool and people were like, oh, 304 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 3: I did notice that the A and Z every Woman 305 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 3: was a double ambto and now they've noted. 306 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 5: But that is the whole point. 307 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 3: We just want to be normalized and it's normal to 308 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 3: see yourself and it's not It doesn't have to be 309 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 3: this big song and dance. And obviously now we've released 310 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 3: it and I was like, Wow, that's really cool and 311 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 3: we appreciate that. But it's just about normalizing it in 312 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 3: that way. 313 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 2: So let's just sit on that for a sec. So 314 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 2: you've you released the ads before, you've made the official before, 315 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: and you didn't see that ground swell of congratulations and support. 316 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 3: That was the point, right, that was the point. We 317 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 3: wanted to show people that it's just normal. We didn't 318 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 3: want hoopler and like, look what we've done. We don't care. 319 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 3: It's about just normalizing the people. And you know what 320 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 3: normal shows that it's normal, that it was just on 321 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: and you know what people were thinking. They went like, wow, 322 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: I've noticed lots of disability. They were like, wow, that's cool. 323 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 3: That's a cool add So I saw it's a line 324 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 3: around Wow anyone was mine. But it wasn't like no 325 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 3: one realized it was all happening. They just noticed it 326 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 3: because it was different and cool, and for the organizations 327 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: that did it, it just sold more product, like any attitude. 328 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 3: But then when you realize they're all there together, you're like, wow, 329 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 3: that actually is a sicknessaive in that way. But the 330 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 3: fact that we you know, could take over Australian TV 331 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 3: and do that like, you can do it, and the 332 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 3: way that you can do it is just by asking 333 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 3: the people disability how they want to be viewed. You know, 334 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 3: do you are you safe on this set whatever it is? 335 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 3: And then what is good talent? That's why the addicle 336 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 3: just because they're good talent. 337 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: Last question from me talking to the Times in this 338 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: chat that you've said that you've got emotional reading people's 339 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: comments and all that kind of thing. Is it emotionally 340 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: exhausting leading such an initiative and then seeing it received 341 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: in the wider're Australian public. 342 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 5: Great question. 343 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: I am good at operating at a high level, I 344 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 3: would say, but you saw met there the last year 345 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 3: when I was astrainder of the year and I did 346 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 3: two hundred and forty five days on play A, three 347 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 3: hundred plus engagements, and I had nothing left to give 348 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 3: and I was struggling. Wasn't it I were mates met 349 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 3: I just couldn't even talk to people. I learned a 350 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: very valuable lesson There's no point getting out there and 351 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 3: trying to do things if you don't look after yourself. 352 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: And I forgot about that last year because I was 353 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 3: so enamored of supporting my community and making the most 354 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: out of the opportunity of being as trainer of the 355 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 3: Year because I just wanted to support so much. 356 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 5: But you can't support anybody if you don't look support yourself. 357 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 3: So I'm in a good spot at the moment, and 358 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: I am looking after my physical and mental health a 359 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 3: lot better, and even little things, just trying to see 360 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 3: my partner more and in Ocetown, we didn't see it 361 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 3: tell enough faster and that was hard. And even you 362 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 3: and I having a beer, just doing normal things where 363 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 3: you can be yourself. But yes, it's been a big 364 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: week getting it out there, and then I'll recharge in 365 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 3: the weeks to come and then and then get back 366 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 3: in there. But mate, don't feel sorry for me one bit. 367 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 3: I'm so grateful for I'm so grateful my life, and 368 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 3: I will forever get out of bed and try and 369 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 3: support my community. 370 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: Well, what I actually take from that is that if 371 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: you're being more selective, we should be looking at things 372 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: that you're doing now as of particular importance to you. 373 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate that, mate, and it's pretty it's nice 374 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 3: to you notice that, And thanks for asking, because I've 375 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 3: got to do a better job. I ask checking in 376 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 3: with my mates as well and things like that. But 377 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: you know, this year and the public eye. You see 378 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 3: people the public, they're killing it, they're happy, everything's great. 379 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 3: And last year I was struggling at the end and 380 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 3: again I had to check myself because I wasn't vulnerable. 381 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: I have to tell anybody because I was like, and 382 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 3: then I remember I talked to you about I'm pretty 383 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 3: sure we spoke about at the end of the year 384 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 3: and things that I was like, man, I'm just cool, 385 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: and I just felt so much better as soon as 386 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 3: I didn't want to pooh pooh the award and the opportunity, 387 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 3: so I tried it and then I was like, no, 388 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 3: I'm just going to say honestly, and I'm I felt 389 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 3: better soon as I did. And yeah, I was very 390 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 3: grateful to be straining the year, but also grateful to 391 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,119 Speaker 3: passing on the next person who deserves their opportunity. 392 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: Well, we're grateful for you, We're grateful for Shift twenty 393 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us on the pod. 394 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 3: Thanks so much, mate, And yeah, anybody wants to get 395 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: in touch and get involved, you hit a sub at 396 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: the Shift twenty dot or the Dealing or Gone Foundation. 397 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: Everyone is welcome, including you. 398 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us today on the Daily Oz. 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