Speaker 1: Get as a quick word before we start today's episode.
Speaker 1: It was recorded during Lockdown four in Melbourne, so it
Speaker 1: was done over zoom, so we're not in Casaway Studio,
Speaker 1: so the Saint pristine quality sound quality you hear is
Speaker 1: not quite there.
Speaker 2: So still enjoy today's episode. If you ain't seen nothing yet,
Speaker 2: can a Peter Hell? Are you here? Welcome to you
Speaker 2: ain't seen nothing yet?
Speaker 1: The movie Podcast where I chat to a movie lover
Speaker 1: about a classic or beloved movie they haven't quite got
Speaker 1: around to watching until now.
Speaker 2: And today's guests my.
Speaker 1: TV wife four time gold Loggie winner Lisa mchewn.
Speaker 3: Ever dance for the Devil of the pail plane.
Speaker 2: I'm walking here, walkod here.
Speaker 4: Of all the gin joints in all the towns in
Speaker 4: all the world, she walks.
Speaker 5: In the mice.
Speaker 2: Haven't any right, sw.
Speaker 1: Lisa mceune has no idea that she's actually Lisa mcewn,
Speaker 1: a four time gold Logi winner. Lisa won Our Hearts
Speaker 1: is Maggie Doyle in the long running Ossie police drama
Speaker 1: Blue Heelers. Maggie Doyle's death remains one of Australian TV's
Speaker 1: most heart wrenching moments. She went on the sail the
Speaker 1: High Season Sea Patrol, and a little shout out to
Speaker 1: her performance in the outstanding Aussie flick Little Fish, alongside
Speaker 1: Cap Lanchette, Nony, Hazelheurth and Sam Neil. On top of
Speaker 1: her screen appearances, Lisa has been crushing it on stage
Speaker 1: in Cabaret, South Pacific, The Sound of Music, and many
Speaker 1: many more. Because when I cast Lisa McCune in my
Speaker 1: anthology comedy, it's a date that our working relationship and
Speaker 1: friendship again. Lisa is immediately friendly, exceedingly kind and passionate
Speaker 1: about her family, her friends and her industry. Working now
Speaker 1: with Lisa on the third series of How To Stay
Speaker 1: Married on Channel ten, it is abundantly clear to me
Speaker 1: every day I work with her just how in control
Speaker 1: she is of her craft, how generous she is with
Speaker 1: all cast and crew, and how breast she is of any.
Speaker 2: Heirs or races.
Speaker 1: Like I said, Lisa mcune just has no idea that
Speaker 1: she's actually Lisa mcune, and I'm bloody stoke to have
Speaker 1: her hanging with me today.
Speaker 6: Hi, I'm Lisa mcune, and my three favorite films are
Speaker 6: Gone with the Winds.
Speaker 2: Should be kissed en off. Someone who knows how.
Speaker 6: An Australian film called Traveling Nord.
Speaker 1: Ruled just spotic, arrogant, bullion, I can, I'll stand living
Speaker 1: with you a minute long, and.
Speaker 6: The classic comedies of National Lampoon with Chevy Chef.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you something. This is no longer a vacation.
Speaker 2: It's a quest. It's a quest for fun.
Speaker 6: And up until last night, I had never seen Full
Speaker 6: Metal Jacket by Stanley Kubrick.
Speaker 3: This is my rifle. There are many like it, but
Speaker 3: this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend.
Speaker 3: It is my life. I must master it as I
Speaker 3: must master my life without me. My rifle is useless
Speaker 3: without my rifle.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's time to get the human eyes and have
Speaker 1: the individuality pummeled out of you. In Stanley Kubrick's nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty seven classic based on the book Short Times by
Speaker 1: Gustav Hasford, Full Metal Jacket a reference to a casing
Speaker 1: on a bullet. It's told through the eyes of Private
Speaker 1: Joker played by Matthew Modine, under the steely, non blinking
Speaker 1: eye of drill Sergeant Gunny Hartman, a man who, if
Speaker 1: he wasn't so married to the military, could actually probably
Speaker 1: make a killing in the comedy clubs in nineteen eighties
Speaker 1: New York City. Private Joker takes overweight and hapless recruit
Speaker 1: Private Gomer Pyle, Vincent and Afrio in his feature film debut.
Speaker 1: But a Man can only do so Much and every
Speaker 1: Man has a tipping Point. Half set in the marine
Speaker 1: training ground in Paris Island, South Carolina and the battlefields
Speaker 1: of Vietnam, Kubrick's brutal film puts the phony, tough, and
Speaker 1: crazy brave right in its crosshairs. Lisa mcewne, this is
Speaker 1: a tough film to watch in some regards. Could you
Speaker 1: Full Metal Hacket?
Speaker 6: Oh my god? It is an amazing watch, isn't it?
Speaker 6: And I came to this film because.
Speaker 2: Of my son, really, So it is Oli yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: So this is Olie, my middle son, who is really
Speaker 6: keen on making movies, and so he has kind of
Speaker 6: been for the last couple of years watching an insane
Speaker 6: number of movies, and he was loving this one and said, Mum,
Speaker 6: you've got to see it. And so when you asked
Speaker 6: me to come and do the podcast, I sat down
Speaker 6: last night and I watched Full Metal Jacket, and I've
Speaker 6: got to say I was pretty blown away and it
Speaker 6: was an incredible film because it feels like it's in
Speaker 6: two parts, so you feel like you're watching two films. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but it's pretty random, isn't it. I mean, it's And
Speaker 6: the amazing thing about this film is apparently the guy
Speaker 6: that plays the drill instructor actually he wasn't slated to
Speaker 6: play that role. He was actually like the advisor for
Speaker 6: the film, and then he really wanted the role and
Speaker 6: he put it down on tape and got the gig.
Speaker 2: He pretty much kicked another actor out of the role.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly how it happened and how mcavellian
Speaker 1: he was about it, or maybe the other actor was
Speaker 1: a struggling a bit. The other actor who was supposed
Speaker 1: to play that role ends up in the helicopter later
Speaker 1: on in the film shooting, you know, in a horrific
Speaker 1: that's the actor who was supposed to play that that role.
Speaker 1: So it's there's so much to discuss about Full Metal Jacket,
Speaker 1: both from a production point of view and from a
Speaker 1: narrative point of view, and we'll get to all of it.
Speaker 1: I really want to know what you thought of it,
Speaker 1: But I want to go back to your three favorite
Speaker 1: films and there are three very different films.
Speaker 2: Let's start with a film that is on the list
Speaker 2: for me to watch.
Speaker 1: I think Robe mcmanu says, put his hand up to
Speaker 1: watch Gone with the Win for the very first time
Speaker 1: for this podcast.
Speaker 2: I've never seen it. I haven't quite made the commitment to.
Speaker 1: It's one of those films that I thought I always
Speaker 1: got that in casablanket confused.
Speaker 2: You know, you haven't seen either of those films.
Speaker 1: You're not sure which one is, you know, Frankly, my dear,
Speaker 1: I don't give a damn or you know of order
Speaker 1: gin joints in all the world, you know.
Speaker 2: So why do you love Going to Win so much?
Speaker 6: Well? I think it was a toss up between that
Speaker 6: and The Godfathers, because I do love the Godfathers. But again,
Speaker 6: they're the kinds of films that you go you feel
Speaker 6: like you've got to make it appointment to sit down
Speaker 6: and watch those films, But in actual fact, once you
Speaker 6: start on the journey, you're there and it's great. I mean,
Speaker 6: Gone with the Wind made in nineteen thirty nine. Interestingly,
Speaker 6: the same year they made Wizard of Oz and the
Speaker 6: first year film went into big Technicolor, so it was
Speaker 6: an amazing year in film, and I think I became
Speaker 6: obsessed with it because I was just as a teenager.
Speaker 6: I completely fangirled over Vivian Lee. I thought she was
Speaker 6: extraordinary and then that's what led me to go On
Speaker 6: with the Wind. And then I have never read the book,
Speaker 6: to be really honest, but I just thought. And then
Speaker 6: you start reading the stories about how it was made
Speaker 6: and how difficult it was and how expensive it was,
Speaker 6: and how it nearly sent the studios fust and you know,
Speaker 6: there was just so much about that time and it
Speaker 6: was just an incredible journey to make a movie. So
Speaker 6: I think all of that storytelling behind the scenes actually
Speaker 6: made me want to watch it even more.
Speaker 2: And did You?
Speaker 1: Obviously there's been a lot of talk about it recently
Speaker 1: and HBO, I think because maybe they have the rights
Speaker 1: to it or something they have made like a documentary
Speaker 1: which is almost a precursor that they encourage people to
Speaker 1: watch before they watched Gone with the Win. Because obviously
Speaker 1: there's some issues racially about the film Did You? And
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to I'm trying to pick political in
Speaker 1: this podcast. I think it's good to acknowledge sometimes that things,
Speaker 1: but also this is a celebration of movies and every film.
Speaker 1: I think if you put a certain lens on it
Speaker 1: is problematic. But were you where when you watched it
Speaker 1: growing overview? Has that changed your the way you view
Speaker 1: havevy viewed it since at all?
Speaker 6: Or is it something I always think? I mean, you know,
Speaker 6: I've always thought that the arts is a great way
Speaker 6: to reflect what's going on, and it reflected a time
Speaker 6: and it was probably sanitized to the degree of how
Speaker 6: people were really treated at the time, do you know
Speaker 6: what I mean? Like it's the film version of But
Speaker 6: the plus side of it is I think that there
Speaker 6: was an Academy Award winner. I think had he she
Speaker 6: won the Academy Award for that film and for a
Speaker 6: woman of color at that time. And you know, I, yes,
Speaker 6: we look, it's great people educated. Maybe if it does
Speaker 6: have a documentary or you know, something that you have
Speaker 6: to watch. If we're educating people, it's fantastic. But you know,
Speaker 6: I guess it made me aware as a teenager what
Speaker 6: was going on, but never bothered me and never and
Speaker 6: doesn't now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think you're right as far as
Speaker 1: it can raise an awareness and then you can go
Speaker 1: off and do your own research, you know about it.
Speaker 1: And I read recently, weirdly enough that the actress Hattie.
Speaker 6: And I think it's McDonald. I think it's Hattie McDonald.
Speaker 6: Her name was. I've got to check, but anyway, I
Speaker 6: think it's.
Speaker 1: And she was saying that she, you know, she could
Speaker 1: either act as a she her role in that she.
Speaker 6: She played, Yeah, she plays Scarlet's kind of yea made
Speaker 6: and she she travels with Scarlett basically, and yeah, and
Speaker 6: she was a house man she through the whole film.
Speaker 1: And she listen, I could get paid to act like
Speaker 1: that and get paid more than or actually, you know,
Speaker 1: take it on as a job and get paid way less,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: So you know, for her it was empowering. I think too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you know, I think, and then we can't
Speaker 6: we can't erase history, can we, you know, And if
Speaker 6: it's if it's if it actually it's Haddy McDaniel her
Speaker 6: name was. And she played Mammy and she was so
Speaker 6: good and Scarlett adored her, you know, like within the family,
Speaker 6: the O'Hara family in the film there, slaves were actually
Speaker 6: an integral part and Scarlet kind of actually really looks
Speaker 6: after them after the death of appearance so they were
Speaker 6: actually became they were like family really.
Speaker 1: And it's it's obviously I haven't seen it, but it's
Speaker 1: a massive romantic epic, isn't it.
Speaker 6: Like that's sweeping peace, sweeping sweeping.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a sweet.
Speaker 6: Look at it. And you know the Scarlet Ohara and
Speaker 6: Red Butler storyline. I mean, it's fantastic, and you know
Speaker 6: she's in love with Ashley, and you know, the costuming
Speaker 6: is brilliant, and there is so much about that film
Speaker 6: that is just Hollywood, but it's amazing to watch. I
Speaker 6: think they sacked the first director too. I think, you know,
Speaker 6: there was lots of problems behind the scenes, but I
Speaker 6: think that's when I first realized that I loved the
Speaker 6: process of filmmaking almost as much as watching films. Because
Speaker 6: of that film, I've got this huge book about it,
Speaker 6: like I still have it to this day. My mum
Speaker 6: gave it to get me for Christmas for I was fifteen.
Speaker 6: I still got it. It's amazing.
Speaker 2: So that was I was gonna say, when did you start?
Speaker 1: Well, now, it's so easy to go on YouTube and
Speaker 1: find you know, and I do it each week when
Speaker 1: I when I do this podcast, you know, and find
Speaker 1: out more information about the film. It was it was
Speaker 1: harder to do, you know, you know, thirty or so
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 2: So it was it was that book, was it?
Speaker 1: When did you start kind of discovering stories behind what
Speaker 1: we were watching?
Speaker 6: I reckon, you know, as a teenager, it was reading
Speaker 6: all of those old school biographies on actors and directors
Speaker 6: where you get a lot of that information. So Katherine
Speaker 6: Hepburn was always talking about her trajectory as far as
Speaker 6: being an actor, how hard it was for her, And
Speaker 6: then you might read about somebody else, and so you
Speaker 6: pick up their version of the story, and yeah, I
Speaker 6: was always kind of really was interested in that side
Speaker 6: of things. And you find out about lots of films
Speaker 6: that way. Of course. Yeah, now there's YouTube.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's amazing when I sit down and watch an
Speaker 1: older film. I watched Singing in the Rain a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and only because nobody's nominated it yet,
Speaker 1: and I keep nudging people towards singing Her.
Speaker 2: But Tony Martin had.
Speaker 1: It in these top three favorite films of all time,
Speaker 1: and when he was it sounded more modern than maybe
Speaker 1: that I had kind of thought this idea of silent
Speaker 1: film actors trying to transition into talkies. Was this a
Speaker 1: fascinating idea? And I had no idea that's what Singing
Speaker 1: in the Rain was about. Embarrassingly, and then when you
Speaker 1: watch it, I'm always I'm always little embarrassed when I
Speaker 1: watch these films about how good they are, and it's
Speaker 1: almost like I'm embarrassed that it's taken me by surprise
Speaker 1: that these films have craft, and Seeing in the Rain
Speaker 1: has elements that appear to me quite modern. To be honest,
Speaker 1: I kind of go, you know, and they can feel
Speaker 1: they don't necessarily feel like seventy years ago or however
Speaker 1: long that one was. He probably almost bang on seventy years.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: We're still using you know, you see some Kubrick elements
Speaker 1: that he's using full Metal Jack, which are taken from
Speaker 1: Citizen Kane, you know. And it's fascinating, and I'm always
Speaker 1: a little bit a shame that I'm like, why did
Speaker 1: I when I sat down and watched this film while
Speaker 1: was I a bit like, Okay, I'm watching, you know,
Speaker 1: a film from nineteen forty six, and they constantly blow
Speaker 1: me away.
Speaker 6: But don't you reckon? That's because and I reckon the
Speaker 6: studio system of the old days, as hard as it
Speaker 6: was and as probably the problematic in some ways, everybody
Speaker 6: was so well oiled their craft because they were doing
Speaker 6: so much, like the studios were just they didn't people
Speaker 6: didn't have their televisions in the thirties or probably when
Speaker 6: we know forties, so people would have to go to
Speaker 6: the cinema and so that became our entertainment. And so
Speaker 6: they were making so much, and they were making them quickly,
Speaker 6: and everybody had to bang out these scripts. And I
Speaker 6: think that's what's extraordinary is that everybody became so well oiled,
Speaker 6: the actors, the directors, the writers. You know, there was
Speaker 6: this kind of hub. Imagine doing that every day to
Speaker 6: be awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be a whole lot of fun. I'm embarrassed.
Speaker 1: And also I haven't seen Traveling North, And in fact,
Speaker 1: I don't know a whole bunch about it. I know
Speaker 1: that it's an Australian film. That's almost I'm going to guess,
Speaker 1: is Jack Thompson in it?
Speaker 6: Actually think, No, he's not.
Speaker 1: I knows a safe guess.
Speaker 6: That's just so true, Steve Steve Harrett, No, No, he
Speaker 6: would have been a baby in it. No, it's based
Speaker 6: on a David Williamson play, and it was funny because
Speaker 6: I used to actually pull it out and watch it
Speaker 6: sometimes because, particularly when I was doing Blue Heelers, it
Speaker 6: kind of like, I don't know why on the weekends,
Speaker 6: I actually you know, we're at home and after a
Speaker 6: really big week it would be kind of a bit
Speaker 6: of a go to film bizarrely, you know, like out
Speaker 6: of all the films, Leo Mckerney is amazing in it,
Speaker 6: and beautiful Julia Blake, and then there's Ingraham Kennedy pops
Speaker 6: his head up. He's the next door neighbor and he
Speaker 6: is next level hysterical. He really he was such a
Speaker 6: beautiful performer and he's so good in this film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it was.
Speaker 1: I'm sure if Traveling North was made before The Club,
Speaker 1: but I think I think I was reading recently at
Speaker 1: the Club was like maybe one of his first acting roles.
Speaker 2: I might I might be completely wrong in.
Speaker 1: This, but The Club, which also based on the David
Speaker 1: Williams and play, centered around a.
Speaker 2: Calling with football club, which I obviously.
Speaker 1: It drew my attention, and he's so great in that
Speaker 1: as well. I think, yeah, he did do because I
Speaker 1: think he was in Don's Party as well. I think
Speaker 1: Grant Kennedy and he did do quite a few roles,
Speaker 1: but he.
Speaker 6: Would fit well with Williamson, you know, like he really
Speaker 6: fits that Williamson kind of characters really well. He does
Speaker 6: the great Australian but as a next door abor. I
Speaker 6: think his name's Freddy actually in the film, and it's
Speaker 6: one that if people can see it, it probably look
Speaker 6: a little bit data now, but it is absolutely gorgeous
Speaker 6: and funny and heartfelt and it's really Australian and I
Speaker 6: love it. I just think it's such a film that
Speaker 6: we probably don't really think about much anymore. God, there's
Speaker 6: so many of them, so many good Australian films.
Speaker 1: What is the basic plot or the premise of the film.
Speaker 6: It's Leo mccern's character. I'm an elderly gentleman. He retires
Speaker 6: up north with his wife, who is his second wife,
Speaker 6: and he's quite a he's a difficult man. And yeah,
Speaker 6: they just settle up north and it's kind of he's
Speaker 6: getting into his you know, very twilight in his twilight years,
Speaker 6: and so yeah, it's about the adventures of him moving north.
Speaker 6: Really they're not a lot and that's The interesting part
Speaker 6: is that I don't think a lot happens in in it
Speaker 6: plot wise. I think his health's a bit of an issue.
Speaker 6: But it's just a really charming performance from him. And yeah,
Speaker 6: I kind of I don't even really know what the
Speaker 6: plot is. I kind of remember it. Really, it's been
Speaker 6: a long time. I'm going to watch it tonight.
Speaker 1: Well, the change gear is once more National Lampage. You
Speaker 1: cheated a little bit, you've said National Lampoons. Are you
Speaker 1: saying National Lampion's Vacation or the Are you saying all
Speaker 1: the movies? If you had to pick one, what would
Speaker 1: have been?
Speaker 6: Oh, I don't know. I do love it when they
Speaker 6: go to Italy, I think, but then I like, I know,
Speaker 6: I want to put them under the umbrella. I know
Speaker 6: I'm not allowed to, but they are all so funny.
Speaker 6: They really are. I mean, di'angelo is just like she
Speaker 6: would have to be one of my favorite actresses. I
Speaker 6: love her. She's kind of up there with Katherine O'Hara,
Speaker 6: you know, I love them. I think as women, you know, comedians,
Speaker 6: they're just so great. And it's a brilliant film.
Speaker 1: She is great, and I love the first one is
Speaker 1: my favorite. This National Lampion's Vacation when I go to
Speaker 1: Wally World, and that was.
Speaker 6: The first was I was never sure which one which
Speaker 6: order they came in, but they went there first and
Speaker 6: then they went to Europe. Yes, so it was European vacation.
Speaker 1: Vacation first, European Vacation second, Christmas Vacation third. And they
Speaker 1: may have made some other films that they've they've been remade,
Speaker 1: you know, when I say recently, probably six years ago,
Speaker 1: I think with Ed Helms and Christina Applegate who played
Speaker 1: well Ed Helms is the older.
Speaker 2: Rusty now grown up.
Speaker 1: And to be honest, you know, it was always going
Speaker 1: to disappoint to an extent, and but it actually I
Speaker 1: watched it more recently. It is almost by accident, one
Speaker 1: of those things where you're you're switching channels and it's on,
Speaker 1: and so you watch a bit of it, and I
Speaker 1: had a few. I had quite a few laughs, and
Speaker 1: Chevy Chase and Beverly de Angelo, you know, have cameos
Speaker 1: in it, and it's it's a.
Speaker 2: Bit of fun.
Speaker 6: And but the hard thing is with this, you know,
Speaker 6: picking if three films, I had to strike off things
Speaker 6: like cook the fief's wife and her lover and Brazil,
Speaker 6: and you know, I'm living Beaches. I remember having this
Speaker 6: kind of cataclysmic reaction to Beaches in the eighties and
Speaker 6: walking out and like I could barely see. I was
Speaker 6: crying so much as a teenager. So this just it's
Speaker 6: so hard with film, isn't it, because everything hits you.
Speaker 6: And I saw this amazing one the other day. After
Speaker 6: watching you told me all about Call my Agent, and
Speaker 6: of course the girl out of Call my Agents just
Speaker 6: done this beautiful film called Antoinette in the Savan and
Speaker 6: it's just all about this girl and it's just this
Speaker 6: kind of falling in love with this self movie. Almost
Speaker 6: it's a romantic comedy, but she falls in love. It's
Speaker 6: so beautiful and she's just divine.
Speaker 2: She's hilarious.
Speaker 1: So I saw a film recently and I saw the
Speaker 1: trailer for that, just out of the blue, not knowing
Speaker 1: that this film was coming out, and I got very excited.
Speaker 2: I was by myself, and I sin as I got home.
Speaker 2: I told Bridge.
Speaker 1: That I've gone blank on the name and Call my Agent.
Speaker 1: But she's, you know, the secretary in Call my Agent,
Speaker 1: She's the the p A.
Speaker 2: That's she's in a new movie.
Speaker 6: So beautiful Pete. You will love it. It's just divine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's great.
Speaker 1: When I think of National Lampon's Vacation, I think of
Speaker 1: I think of my mum because I remember watching it
Speaker 1: with her growing up, and I've never heard her laugh
Speaker 1: so out of control in a particular scene. And it's
Speaker 1: John Candy when he is on the when he's on
Speaker 1: the big roller coaster.
Speaker 2: And my mom when she was that she rode that roller.
Speaker 1: Chase and John Candy, she was the every dip and
Speaker 1: every every up, you know, it would slate and it
Speaker 1: was just she just snorted their way through it.
Speaker 2: She'd laugh, you'd cry, I think every time you saw it.
Speaker 6: So don't you think they did that thing? That that
Speaker 6: thing really well? When you when you've got a family film,
Speaker 6: but the comedy kind of like really dirty stuff goes
Speaker 6: over the head of the little kids and they just
Speaker 6: see this kind of crazy family and they kind of
Speaker 6: identify with it. So it is a family film, even
Speaker 6: though it's actually really wrong in some spot, you get
Speaker 6: away with it.
Speaker 1: Because I think we watched The Vacation, we taped it
Speaker 1: off Channel nine when it was on and try to
Speaker 1: pause the ads out so we had the Channel nine
Speaker 1: version for so many years, and then I remember watching it.
Speaker 1: Somebody got it on video or so, maybe on Foxtel
Speaker 1: or something, and I could not believe how much swearing
Speaker 1: there was in it, Like there's a lot of swearing, a.
Speaker 6: Lot of Wow, I don't remember that either. Isn't that weird?
Speaker 6: See that's gone. I don't know whether I hear it
Speaker 6: too much and it's just become part of our everyday usage.
Speaker 6: But I don't remember all the bad language at all.
Speaker 6: It feels really.
Speaker 1: Clean to me, absolutely, And I like the castle. If
Speaker 1: you're heading to Bonnie Done, you have to sing the
Speaker 1: Bonnie Dune song.
Speaker 2: If you're on like a big roundabout.
Speaker 1: Quite often in our car somebody will say, I can't
Speaker 1: get left, can't get left.
Speaker 6: It's brilliant. Yeah, it's just so.
Speaker 1: Or if we see somebody, particularly if I'm with my brother,
Speaker 1: if we see somebody who a couple who are being
Speaker 1: quite you know.
Speaker 2: Lovey dovey with each other.
Speaker 1: You know my brother, undoubtedly I can almost time it
Speaker 1: will say I think he's going to pok her dad.
Speaker 6: Oh, good old Rusty. It was so great, was it? God?
Speaker 6: It was such a good casting as well.
Speaker 2: It was great and they of course kept swapping.
Speaker 1: I think Anthony Michael Hall doesn't do European vacation because
Speaker 1: he was doing the Breakfast Club and I decided, okay,
Speaker 1: we're just going to change change over the the Audreyes
Speaker 1: and the Rusties.
Speaker 2: Because he was the best.
Speaker 1: He was the best rush There's no doubt about that
Speaker 1: in my in my mind, which actually brings us to
Speaker 1: a beautiful segue the full Metal Jacket, because would you
Speaker 1: believe Anthony Michael Hall was Stanley Kubrick's first choice to
Speaker 1: play yes, and there was like months of negotiation. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, it went on and in the end that
Speaker 1: apparently he came down to money, which is you know,
Speaker 1: Anthony Michael Hall has been on the record to say
Speaker 1: it wasn't about there was rumors that he didn't like
Speaker 1: Kubrick's kind of micro management and the amount of takes
Speaker 1: he wanted to do. Anthony Michaelhall, so that's just completely
Speaker 1: not true. We just couldn't come up with an arrangement,
Speaker 1: which is I think code for the money. Wasn't there
Speaker 1: a really bad move on Anthony Michael.
Speaker 6: Hoall yeah, part I think, yeah, it is. It's Matthew
Speaker 6: Madine's kind of amazing, isn't he? Because he's really he's
Speaker 6: somehow quite perfect because he almost allows you in that
Speaker 6: performance to step into his shoes. I mean, I guess
Speaker 6: he's the protagonist, really, isn't he? You know, like you
Speaker 6: feel like you're him, and he's he's not big, he's
Speaker 6: not big enough in his performance that you ever find
Speaker 6: that you're watching him. You kind of feel like you
Speaker 6: are him going through the story. And I think that
Speaker 6: was interesting casting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think he's really good. I think
Speaker 1: it grows, or at least my acceptance of him grew.
Speaker 1: I think at the start I wasn't quite buying him
Speaker 1: as the joke he kind of time, but he like
Speaker 1: And what's really fascinating about this film, I think is
Speaker 1: that no backstories are given at all. We don't know
Speaker 1: anything about where these kids have come from, you know,
Speaker 1: who they've left behind their.
Speaker 6: God, I've never thought of that, but you're so right.
Speaker 6: We know nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And even if you look at pile gamer pile,
Speaker 1: a private game of pile, he like, we don't know
Speaker 1: if he's we assume he's good, Like he's a good guy,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's all because of Vincent de la
Speaker 1: Freya's performance. He plays him like an innocent child and
Speaker 1: he just feel for him. I mean, he's getting bullied,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, Joke has taken him under
Speaker 1: his wing, and when he's going through all the gun stuff,
Speaker 1: he's just looking at him, almost like he's looking at
Speaker 1: his dad, like you know.
Speaker 6: It's beautiful. But then you get the soap scene straight afterwards,
Speaker 6: so like what is that?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 6: That freaked me out, Like there was so much about
Speaker 6: that film that I I kind of went, you know,
Speaker 6: like I really loved being in that training camp with them,
Speaker 6: and I really loved going through that and how harsh
Speaker 6: it was and how much of that, Like some of
Speaker 6: that dialogue, I almost have to go back again and
Speaker 6: listen to all of the dialogue that just streams out
Speaker 6: of the drill instructor's mouth. Like that dialogue, I don't
Speaker 6: know if it was written, but there's some shit in
Speaker 6: there that's really full on and it goes like rapid
Speaker 6: fire and imagine having that but you really feel like
Speaker 6: you're in that room.
Speaker 1: I think certainly correct made the actor le Ermi say
Speaker 1: the dialogue whilst playing soccer, so he go around and
Speaker 1: plays soccer or making you know, set out some drills
Speaker 1: for him and he who play soccer, and he would
Speaker 1: recite the dialogue. So he had you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you know better than others about having lines in your head,
Speaker 1: but having that much dialogue, rapid fire dialogue, I mean
Speaker 1: that is that is incredible. I mean I was watching
Speaker 1: it going how and the long takes.
Speaker 6: As well, So he had a really long take, does.
Speaker 1: A lot of takes, so it's it's quite incredible. And
Speaker 1: he apparently came up with them. He wrote about one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty insults of his own and kind of
Speaker 1: pitched him to the Kubrick and they kind of massaged
Speaker 1: him as well. There's one scene where he says, I
Speaker 1: think the joker is or maybe the cowboy.
Speaker 2: I think he's just a cowboy.
Speaker 1: You're the kind of man who will have sex with
Speaker 1: another man but not be courteous enough to offer him
Speaker 1: a reach around.
Speaker 6: Yes, and that's just one of so many.
Speaker 1: But Kubrick Yell's cart and walks up the Ali Ermie
Speaker 1: and says, what what's a reach around? And he has
Speaker 1: explained what a riched around is. Kubrick laughs and says, okay,
Speaker 1: use it.
Speaker 2: Let's keep going.
Speaker 6: Amazing, amazing, well, because he was the real deal. You know.
Speaker 6: It's that thing of like I remember doing sea patrol
Speaker 6: and actually working with the Navy and you actually start
Speaker 6: to hear there's another language that happens, you know, like
Speaker 6: they've got their own language in those It's like probably
Speaker 6: like any industry, you know, you have your own language.
Speaker 6: It's like the film industry. You know, we've got a
Speaker 6: whole series of things that happened around camera and you
Speaker 6: just get to know the lingo. But because he was
Speaker 6: a real drink trill instructor, he knew it and he
Speaker 6: just rolled up. He was a bit interesting about the
Speaker 6: soccer though. I really get that. I reckon Kubrick's amazing
Speaker 6: getting him to do that. That's a really incredible exercise
Speaker 6: to do.
Speaker 1: I reckon, Yeah, because it's about using two parts of
Speaker 1: your brain, isn't it. I'm not kind of I guess
Speaker 1: having doing one thing. It's about multitasking in a way.
Speaker 1: And at this point of that's something really interesting. The
Speaker 1: idea of when you act and you are supposed to
Speaker 1: be an expert, an expert in a particular field, it
Speaker 1: has to come it has to appear so natural, doesn't it,
Speaker 1: Like it has you really have to have all those
Speaker 1: That's why when I watched medical shows and you know,
Speaker 1: cop procedural shows, you kind of go that needs to
Speaker 1: come like it's second nature. Like these these these characters
Speaker 1: use it all the time. You can't be an actor,
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't see the actor in these moments.
Speaker 1: You need to be able to see the character flowing
Speaker 1: out of their mouths like they say these things every day.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Ollie gave me the hugest rundown on this film,
Speaker 6: right because he did so much reading about it and
Speaker 6: some of the incredible things that actually for anybody that
Speaker 6: does sit down and watch it, get online and read
Speaker 6: about it, we're so lucky we can like all the
Speaker 6: hidden stuff and how long it took to shoot and
Speaker 6: the fact that those roaring sunsets in the beginning and
Speaker 6: those incredible silhouetted shots of those guys with that red
Speaker 6: background shut in the UK. Yeah that was shipping trees
Speaker 6: in Yeah, it's just insane. Next level ten kilometers from
Speaker 6: his house, you know, so we could go home at
Speaker 6: night and keep working.
Speaker 1: He's a famous he's got a fear of flying, or
Speaker 1: had a fear of flying.
Speaker 2: And this is his penultimate film.
Speaker 1: He makes this film in eighty seven and then doesn't
Speaker 1: make another film for twelve years, which is his final film,
Speaker 1: Eyes Wide Shot.
Speaker 2: With Tom and Nick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he dies before I think, before that
Speaker 1: film is actually even released. So let's just start from
Speaker 1: start from the start. We don't have to kind of
Speaker 1: go through every little bit. But I mean that opening scene.
Speaker 1: It's funny with Kubrick because you just know and all
Speaker 1: good filmmakers like, there's nothing there that's there for no
Speaker 1: reason at all. And you see the first scene with
Speaker 1: all the kids getting their head shaved, and you go, okay,
Speaker 1: well this is you know, this is all there. It's
Speaker 1: about having there's no individuals anymore. There's no individuals, And
Speaker 1: that's kind of I read that when Kubrick had them
Speaker 1: all in that that the barracks, they were all equally focused.
Speaker 1: You know, there's nobody he wasn't pulling focused on anyone
Speaker 1: because he said, they're all as like almost all as
Speaker 1: unimportant as each other, you know. And and that was
Speaker 1: a kind of technique that was mastered in Citizen Kane,
Speaker 1: where you could have the foreground, the middle ground, and
Speaker 1: the background all in focus, like you're watching almost a painting.
Speaker 2: As opposed to the depth of field that sometimes directors use.
Speaker 6: Yeah, fascinating, and but what a great way to to
Speaker 6: introduce the care. You know, you kind of all of
Speaker 6: a sudden, you just get a beautiful tight shot, you know,
Speaker 6: and imagine that in a cinema. You know, you're sitting
Speaker 6: there in a cinema and this person's face is just
Speaker 6: freaking enormous, and you kind of you know them. You
Speaker 6: can see right into their eyes and you can actually
Speaker 6: really lock in. But what blew me away at the
Speaker 6: beginning was immediately Vincent Dno. I think he's just next level,
Speaker 6: Like I mean, it's up there with a performance like
Speaker 6: Leonardo DiCaprio and Gilbert Great, you know, like I mean
Speaker 6: to capture the like the truth of a character like that,
Speaker 6: you never question him being a little simple and he
Speaker 6: is amazing.
Speaker 2: And you do wonder did you find yourself wondering?
Speaker 1: And this is yeah, i'd my if you're not giving
Speaker 1: us the background, but I did find myself wondering, and
Speaker 1: not it's not a criticism at all, but.
Speaker 2: Why is it? Why is this kid here? Why did
Speaker 2: you join the army?
Speaker 6: I know, but it also goes to show that for me,
Speaker 6: what I got out of that is they were people
Speaker 6: just being sent out to be killed. Do you know
Speaker 6: what I mean? That they didn't matter who they had there,
Speaker 6: They just needed people behind guns and they weren't that
Speaker 6: in actual fact. To me, what I got from it this,
Speaker 6: you know, by watching it again last night, was that
Speaker 6: perhaps the drilling instructor was so hard on them because
Speaker 6: for him to be as hard and get those trained
Speaker 6: and as in sync as he could, perhaps he was
Speaker 6: trying to save their lives. Ultimately, so was he a
Speaker 6: good guy for doing what it was doing, even though
Speaker 6: when we watch it we think, oh my god, what
Speaker 6: a sea word. In actual fact, is this guy by
Speaker 6: being like he is saving some lives.
Speaker 1: It's such a fascinating point because I don't think Kubrick
Speaker 1: is actually I don't think this isn't necessarily an anti
Speaker 1: war film or and it's not a pro war film.
Speaker 1: I think he's very He just gives you different opinions
Speaker 1: about war, and I think that's done really well.
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll get to it later. Maybe.
Speaker 1: Of the there's two scenes that almost that the eulogy
Speaker 1: scene where they're all around two bodies and they're all
Speaker 1: giving the almost and they're all different kinds of perspectives,
Speaker 1: and then when they're doing the interviews for the film crew,
Speaker 1: they're all giving very kind of different kind of reactions
Speaker 1: to this as well. And you can take whatever you
Speaker 1: want to take, and some are right in your mind
Speaker 1: and some are wrong, you know, but it's he never
Speaker 1: kind of I don't necessarily think this is him saying
Speaker 1: war is this or war is that?
Speaker 2: It's it's quite it could be quite ambiguous.
Speaker 1: I heard one of the actors say, you can try
Speaker 1: to make this in your own mind and anti war film,
Speaker 1: but eventually it will your argument will fall will fall down.
Speaker 1: And and I think that the the the dull Sergeant
Speaker 1: Hartman's a really good example of that.
Speaker 2: Like, how did you feel when you know he gets
Speaker 2: he gets killed?
Speaker 6: I know, Well, the funny thing is is that the trainings,
Speaker 6: I mean, you know that we want to give away
Speaker 6: too much, but the training's over. When it happens, you know,
Speaker 6: like they've made it through, they've all been posted off,
Speaker 6: you know, like they made it. But you just snap,
Speaker 6: I mean, and when he snaps, far out has a
Speaker 6: look on that man like terrifying, absolutely terrifying. Because of
Speaker 6: course he put on so much weight for that role,
Speaker 6: and he sits there in that really dimly lit you know,
Speaker 6: in the heads, you know, and he's just far out.
Speaker 6: That's a scary moment.
Speaker 1: And Kubricky and kind of look and shot that one.
Speaker 1: Isn't it that deranged? It's the shining.
Speaker 6: It's also fascinating though too. You know the way that
Speaker 6: the joke about how Joker private Joker actually you know
Speaker 6: that to me signals like the halftime point of the film,
Speaker 6: you know, because then all of a sudden you're in Vietnam,
Speaker 6: but there's never any It's really interesting, you know that
Speaker 6: to finish that scene, and then you kind of cut
Speaker 6: to him sitting in a street from Vietnam, and you
Speaker 6: know this this kind of this girl comes up and
Speaker 6: propositions them and you know, to these boots were made
Speaker 6: for work. And it's so cool, wasn't it? But you know,
Speaker 6: like you don't really get the feeling that I don't
Speaker 6: know what the time difference is, but there's no real
Speaker 6: hangover from that. It's almost like I don't know, in
Speaker 6: my Deane's head, justice had been done or something I
Speaker 6: don't know, or thank God, you know, like he's died
Speaker 6: there rather than dying in Vietnam because they all knew
Speaker 6: he die out there, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I found myself not considering that
Speaker 1: Hartman had put them through so much and been so
Speaker 1: awful to them. I didn't kind of go, oh, good,
Speaker 1: he's dead, you know, because there is that kind of
Speaker 1: conflict of going, no, this man is preparing and you
Speaker 1: you could argue with it that the methods that he's
Speaker 1: preparing them for to survive hell. Basically, it is an
Speaker 1: interesting time to watching this, you know, because you know,
Speaker 1: there's been the news, there's been lots of stuff about
Speaker 1: the Australian military and and things that have gone on
Speaker 1: over there, So it is an interesting time to be
Speaker 1: watching this and that was kind of at the back
Speaker 1: of my brain watching this a little bit. But I
Speaker 1: must say when he died, I didn't I didn't have
Speaker 1: a good.
Speaker 6: On you and me either. I liked it. I kind
Speaker 6: of felt like there was enough around his edges that
Speaker 6: and I really don't know what it was because there
Speaker 6: was nothing that pointed this out. But the way it
Speaker 6: comes across is that he was trying to do it
Speaker 6: to save these boys' lives. That you know, he was
Speaker 6: a tough dute, he did it all with them. He
Speaker 6: was with them there or he slept in the same
Speaker 6: place they did. He was with those boys for the
Speaker 6: six to eight weeks that I think somewhere in the
Speaker 6: beginning of the piece that it's mentioned that he trains
Speaker 6: for six to eight weeks. It's not a long time
Speaker 6: to teach someone how to go to war, is it,
Speaker 6: you know when you think about it. And that's why
Speaker 6: the whole thing was kind of weirdly devastate. I don't
Speaker 6: know it really really that was the sense I got.
Speaker 6: That's what I took from it anyway, So it was
Speaker 6: kind of sad that he went. I almost wanted him
Speaker 6: to go with them because I wanted that scene where
Speaker 6: he kind of got on the level with them and
Speaker 6: you realize that he's an okay guy and he just
Speaker 6: knows that war is not a great thing.
Speaker 1: How did you feel with the soap bashing when what
Speaker 1: was the hardest point? I mean that him crying this
Speaker 1: after it there was just like this, you know, you
Speaker 1: feel so much for him, But how did you feel
Speaker 1: when Joker also not only joined in but also joined
Speaker 1: in and then some.
Speaker 6: Oh that that actually because that comes on the back
Speaker 6: of him helping him, and that just you know, like
Speaker 6: we don't see how hard the drill instructor push those
Speaker 6: boys because of the behavior of going my pile. But
Speaker 6: it was obviously enough for them to do that to him,
Speaker 6: and that that I mean bars of soap into the
Speaker 6: side t shirts or whatever it was. It was just
Speaker 6: it was so insane what that reaction did to me.
Speaker 6: It was really cruel. It was really awful, and I
Speaker 6: don't know that really that really got me that I.
Speaker 1: Was awful And there's about tipping points, really, isn't it,
Speaker 1: because obviously Joker had this had enough, you know, I
Speaker 1: was trying to protect pile go and then but then
Speaker 1: they just thought I can't. I mean, he hit him
Speaker 1: once and he just couldn't help himself. He ends up
Speaker 1: hitting him like six times with it, and go With
Speaker 1: sees him, he knows it's him, so it kind of
Speaker 1: it's they both and I think they both know.
Speaker 6: They you know, that was tragic as well because everybody else,
Speaker 6: everyone else who was looking up. But it's just at
Speaker 6: the end, he slightly moves to step one way and
Speaker 6: you see him looking straight at Joker.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: The other thing that really blew me away is it's
Speaker 6: quite often when they were lined up. Is I had
Speaker 6: that moment of going, oh my god, the wardrobe department
Speaker 6: every morning, those white T shirts and pants, and if
Speaker 6: you look at the back of the drill instructor shirt,
Speaker 6: there is not even a sweat mark or the slightest
Speaker 6: look of the crease. And I just thought, my god,
Speaker 6: it is so pristine to look at in a weird way.
Speaker 6: It makes like the way even that they've presented wardrobe
Speaker 6: and the beds folded in the sheets and everything about
Speaker 6: it is like that anal retentive kind of thing that happens.
Speaker 6: I guess services you know, you just go, oh my god,
Speaker 6: that is so crazy, Like the wardrobe girls must have
Speaker 6: been in their steaming shirts every five seconds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's have less into uh, you know, the
Speaker 1: full Metal Jacket scene, the breaking of Gomer pile is
Speaker 1: quite a starting scene.
Speaker 2: He goes for a little bit, but let's h it's
Speaker 2: worth listening to him. Let's have listening.
Speaker 3: Seven six two millimeter full metal Jacket.
Speaker 5: Planet.
Speaker 6: If Hartman comes in here and catches us, we'll both
Speaker 6: be in a world as ship.
Speaker 3: I am in a world.
Speaker 7: Oh ship, my shoulder, right shoulder walking long.
Speaker 1: Order.
Speaker 3: This is more rifle. There aren't many like it, but
Speaker 3: this one is my im Get back in your bunks.
Speaker 3: What is this pickey mouse ship? Put down the name
Speaker 3: of Jesus has Christ? Are you animost doing in my hand?
Speaker 3: Why is Private Pile out of talk after lifetime? Why
Speaker 3: is Private Pile holding that weapon? Why aren't you stopping
Speaker 3: Private Piles? Cut sound, sir? It is the private study
Speaker 3: to inform the senior drill instructor. The Private Pile has
Speaker 3: a full magazine. It is locked and loaded, sir.
Speaker 5: Now you listen to me, Private Pile, and you listen good.
Speaker 5: I want that weapon and I want it. Now you
Speaker 5: will place that rifle on the deck at your feet
Speaker 5: and step.
Speaker 3: Back away from it. What is your major malfunction? I'm nuts.
Speaker 8: Didn't mommy and Daddy show you enough attention when you
Speaker 8: were a child?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can probably come out of it there in
Speaker 1: your ears.
Speaker 2: But it's it's yeah.
Speaker 6: And you know what's really bizarre, Pete, is that at
Speaker 6: the end of the film only told me about two things, right.
Speaker 6: He talks about the main theme of this film. This
Speaker 6: is my son who loved it, the duality of man.
Speaker 6: So we know about that. You know how you can't
Speaker 6: kind of we get that through the themes of the film.
Speaker 6: But he also talked about how the film uses a
Speaker 6: thing called dissonance soundtrack dissonance, and about how you've got
Speaker 6: a scene that you know might be heartbreaking, but they
Speaker 6: play upbeat music. And now this is really interesting because
Speaker 6: I didn't pick this up. At the end of the film,
Speaker 6: the guys are walking. They're walking in the final scene
Speaker 6: singing Who's the leader of the pack? I just heard
Speaker 6: then because we were listening to it. But of course
Speaker 6: you don't when you've got the visuals, you don't hear
Speaker 6: it as well. He walks in and he says, what
Speaker 6: is all of what is this Mickey Mouse ship? And
Speaker 6: I wonder whether or not there's a book end there?
Speaker 6: And I just went, oh, my god, there it is.
Speaker 6: You know, like, is that is that Kluebrick being amazing
Speaker 6: or what?
Speaker 2: Is that just very amazing?
Speaker 1: I think I think it's no, it's certainly no coincidence
Speaker 1: that that's there. And it's also there's Mickey Mouse also
Speaker 1: in the in the the office i'll call it an
Speaker 1: office what they call it when they're they set up
Speaker 1: in battlefields. But there's Mickey and Mini Mouse I think
Speaker 1: in the a poster in there as well, So I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a coincidence at all. And even like
Speaker 1: Kibrigg is famous with like marrying sex and violence, you
Speaker 1: know this idea that you'll sleep with your guns, and
Speaker 1: you know, I think he says something, you know, like
Speaker 1: they're walking with his hand on their there they're growing
Speaker 1: and saying this is for something like this is for
Speaker 1: shooting and this is for killing us or something something
Speaker 1: like that, you know, and even you mentioned it before
Speaker 1: when we go to Vietnam. You know, it is a
Speaker 1: sex worker walking across the three to my boots, a
Speaker 1: mate for walking. The very first line in that song
Speaker 1: is you'll been messing where you shouldn't be messing, you know.
Speaker 6: Which, just and her dialogue is so fantastic. Like her
Speaker 6: dialogue I can't remember what it is, but I just sat.
Speaker 6: They're going, oh, it's beautiful, and she totally owns it.
Speaker 6: And she's the one in the in the position of
Speaker 6: power and the whole thing. It's brilliant because she's got
Speaker 6: something they really need and.
Speaker 1: Want, and she like that because when you watch it now,
Speaker 1: you've heard that people say, you know, Miso horny and
Speaker 1: love you long time. But my understanding is this is
Speaker 1: a lot of stems from this movie, like that's and
Speaker 1: that actress kind of doing that. So you hear it
Speaker 1: now you've heard of a thousand times. But I think
Speaker 1: when people watching in eighty seven, it was it was
Speaker 1: like a new thing they were hearing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's funny too, you know, Like when this film
Speaker 6: was made, I mean I was a teenager in the eighties,
Speaker 6: but Vietnam didn't feel as far as like it didn't
Speaker 6: feel too far in the distance as it does now.
Speaker 6: Like now it feels like it was kind of a
Speaker 6: long time ago, you know, and it's remembered, it's further away.
Speaker 6: But when I was a good teenager, you can kind
Speaker 6: of it was. It was a closer thing, I remember,
Speaker 6: you know, it was still very much spoken about every day.
Speaker 6: So it was a really it was a film at
Speaker 6: the time, really wasn't It was still quite close to
Speaker 6: reflect upon that time for many people, and there.
Speaker 1: Was sudden and they were really just starting to make
Speaker 1: I mean, in the seventies that age I'm de hunt
Speaker 1: is the one that I guess that stands out, but
Speaker 1: you know, coming home. But the eighties we saw a
Speaker 1: lot of war films and different kinds of war films.
Speaker 1: In the early eighties, we saw, you know, more comedies.
Speaker 1: We saw Private Benjamin in nineteen eighty, We saw Stripes
Speaker 1: in eighty one, Taps in eighty one, Officer when a
Speaker 1: Gentleman was eighty two, and then you have around like
Speaker 1: in the later eighties, you have these. You know, it's
Speaker 1: weird how it happened sometimes, where all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: when you haven't had like a like a serious hardcore
Speaker 1: war film in you know, almost a decade, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you have pl Soon, Full Metal Jacket and
Speaker 1: Heartbreak Ridge all come out pretty much year, within two
Speaker 1: years of each other.
Speaker 2: So it's weird how that happens sometimes. Did you prefer?
Speaker 1: Billy Wilders said that this would be the greatest film
Speaker 1: of wartime if it ended before they got the Vietnam
Speaker 1: Did you have? And a lot of people do prefer
Speaker 1: the first half of the film. It's not quite the
Speaker 1: first time, more time he spend in Vietnam than in Parasol.
Speaker 1: But did you have a preference?
Speaker 6: I kind of felt like I was watching two films,
Speaker 6: but I liked that as well. I think if it
Speaker 6: had if it had have continued for you know, the
Speaker 6: one hundred and twenty minutes or so, and it had
Speaker 6: been all in the training. I don't know if we
Speaker 6: would have got to see some of those other characters that,
Speaker 6: you know, we needed to. We needed the story to
Speaker 6: keep going. We needed to see the guy in the
Speaker 6: chopper in the way that he just shot, you know,
Speaker 6: those people in the field as they flew over. We
Speaker 6: needed to hear some of those, you know that the
Speaker 6: questions themselves between the group of guys that they bring up,
Speaker 6: the questions of war and is this worth it? And
Speaker 6: the responses and what they get, you know, like that
Speaker 6: beautiful scene where you see those guys tracking along doing
Speaker 6: you know, when they're tracking along and they're just the
Speaker 6: boys are sitting down and there's the crews just filming them.
Speaker 6: The information that we get about what these soldiers actually
Speaker 6: think about this war and that they don't feel as
Speaker 6: though the Vietnamese are actually on their side. They weirdly
Speaker 6: feel like they're in the wrong place. We kind of
Speaker 6: feel the tide turning, which I think is really important
Speaker 6: because you start to go, why are we waste? What
Speaker 6: is all this waste? Then? What's it for? And I
Speaker 6: don't know if that's caleer brickmaking of comment about it,
Speaker 6: but certainly these young men, and they are young men
Speaker 6: because they would have all been probably in their early twenties,
Speaker 6: late teens or you know. I mean, it's tragic they
Speaker 6: don't know why they're there. And you also get to
Speaker 6: see Modine's character in the Joker meet up with an
Speaker 6: old friend, which is kind of gorgeous. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and you're right, I do love these I
Speaker 1: mentioned I guess the eulogy and the TV interviews or
Speaker 1: the film interviews that walking Panning shot that the cameraman
Speaker 1: is a woman who is Samly Kurbrick Storter in real life.
Speaker 2: There's a little fun facts.
Speaker 1: But yes, hearing those opinions of those soldiers, because the
Speaker 1: first half at Paris Island is really just a drill
Speaker 1: sergeant screaming in the faces of our characters, you know,
Speaker 1: and and all kind of chants, marching chance as a
Speaker 1: single asy as they march.
Speaker 6: So and Ollie's also put it in his notes. Ollie's
Speaker 6: actually kind of said that part two is the results
Speaker 6: of the dehumanization, you know, like, so this is what
Speaker 6: happens when you take the individual away. You know that
Speaker 6: it does play out that that starts to kind of
Speaker 6: I guess rise again, don't they, because they all start
Speaker 6: to come back as the you know, I mean, you
Speaker 6: can get really deep about this stuff, can't you. Or
Speaker 6: you can just sit and watch it and go it's
Speaker 6: a really full on film.
Speaker 2: It is, and I think you can.
Speaker 1: You can certainly watch the first half of it and
Speaker 1: almost just enjoy it for you know, some of the lines,
Speaker 1: and I mean it's full on as the way that
Speaker 1: paras Island ends, you can still watch it and kind
Speaker 1: of go, wow, that was you know, I enjoyed that.
Speaker 6: And don't you reckon that? The laughter it comes from it,
Speaker 6: like you do find yourself laughing and kind of going,
Speaker 6: why am I laughing at that? It's kind of disgusting,
Speaker 6: and then the next minute you're going, oh shit. You know,
Speaker 6: it really takes you on a bit of a journey.
Speaker 1: The amount of what skull fucking and shooting down next?
Speaker 1: Is that stuff that there's certainly been taken. I feel
Speaker 1: like I say.
Speaker 6: That stuff every day. That didn't really get to me.
Speaker 2: On the set of How To Say Married Lisa.
Speaker 1: Every second, every second direction you gave this was, you
Speaker 1: know about shooting down that next. But the I feel
Speaker 1: like all the riders of basically watch Full Metal Jacket
Speaker 1: before each before each season, there were the lines that
Speaker 1: came out, and apparently when the actor was doing those
Speaker 1: those long takes, they were the only scenes where allowed
Speaker 1: him to do through what two or three kind of
Speaker 1: takes on that. Everything else, well, I think that the
Speaker 1: mopping the floor scene they did something like sixty takes
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 6: They looked pretty bored.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, like.
Speaker 1: You do think, and I respect the genius of Stanley Curic,
Speaker 1: but you do think sixty or something takes for mopping
Speaker 1: the floor. There's a bit of dialogue going on as well.
Speaker 1: But you do wonder is that just a director having
Speaker 1: a bad day?
Speaker 6: You know what?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I agree, But you know, is he essentially doing what
Speaker 6: the drill instructors doing, you know, like he's really fucking
Speaker 6: with the heads of the actors? You know, like is
Speaker 6: he one of those directors that if he's just kind
Speaker 6: and needs to break people down and he will kind
Speaker 6: of go there. I mean, you hear those stories, but
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he cout me a bigger picture as
Speaker 1: opposed You're right, I never thought of it like that.
Speaker 2: As opposed to.
Speaker 1: Just getting the shot that he needs for this scene,
Speaker 1: there might be a bigger picture that he is trying to.
Speaker 2: Enforce.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I do think what you were talking about
Speaker 6: kicking the soccer ball and doing that dialogue, I don't
Speaker 6: think that's an amazing exercise because you're so right working
Speaker 6: the two parts of the brain. For the actor, it's
Speaker 6: like it's an incredible tactic, Like he was tactical, and
Speaker 6: he was probably like that with his crew too. I
Speaker 6: haven't really read a lot about how he worked with
Speaker 6: his team behind the scenes, but you know there was
Speaker 6: some pretty amazing camera work going on in that film too,
Speaker 6: which I really like.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I want to explore all these point about the
Speaker 1: duality of men.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Kirby tells us this.
Speaker 1: There's the same with the in Vietnam where Matthew Modine's character,
Speaker 1: the Private Joker comes across twenty bodies and the has
Speaker 1: a conversation with the sergeant at the bodygrave, sign Alan,
Speaker 1: what is.
Speaker 9: That button on your body armor?
Speaker 2: A piece symbol? Sir? Where'd you get it?
Speaker 3: I don't remember, sir?
Speaker 9: What is that you've got written on your helmet?
Speaker 6: Born to kill?
Speaker 3: Sir?
Speaker 9: You're right born to kill on your helmet and you
Speaker 9: wear a piece button. What's that supposed to be some
Speaker 9: kind of saying joke? No, sir, what is it supposed
Speaker 9: to mean?
Speaker 6: I don't know, sir.
Speaker 9: You don't know very much, sire. No, sir, you better
Speaker 9: get your head and your ass wired together or I
Speaker 9: will take a.
Speaker 2: Giant shit on you.
Speaker 9: Yes, sir, I'll answer my question or you'll be standing
Speaker 9: tall before the man. I think I was trying to
Speaker 9: suggest something about the duality of man, sir, What the
Speaker 9: duality of man?
Speaker 2: The youngian things?
Speaker 9: Sir?
Speaker 2: Who shy? Do you want son our side?
Speaker 6: Sir?
Speaker 9: Would you love your country?
Speaker 2: Yes, sir?
Speaker 9: How about getting with the program? Why don't you jump
Speaker 9: on the team and come on in for the big win?
Speaker 3: Yes, sir.
Speaker 9: So all I've ever asked of my Marines, and for
Speaker 9: them to obey my orders the word of God. We
Speaker 9: are here to help the Vietnam ease because inside every
Speaker 9: book there is an American trying to get out. It's
Speaker 9: a hardball world, Sun. We've got to try to keep
Speaker 9: our heads until there's peace. Craze both over.
Speaker 2: Ay ay, sir.
Speaker 6: It's such an extraordinary line inside every you know goog
Speaker 6: there's an American trying to get out. I mean, my god,
Speaker 6: it's just a fantastic character line, isn't it.
Speaker 1: And then kind of tying in nationalism and then religion.
Speaker 1: There's a line early on in the movie where the
Speaker 1: Jew sudden says God has a boner for the Marines.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just it's ridiculous.
Speaker 6: It's so ridiculous. But it isn't amazing though, you know,
Speaker 6: like great writing in one line can give a character
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, it colors the character in such
Speaker 6: a way that you go, ah, that's what you are,
Speaker 6: you know, And that's what's amazing about this script.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, did you connect? I think this goes towards the
Speaker 1: duality of man. Do you connect Private Gamma Pile with
Speaker 1: Animal Mother?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I actually did. I actually did look at that and go,
Speaker 6: you know what they were there must have been Yeah,
Speaker 6: you're so right in saying that, Because he did. I
Speaker 6: kept looking at him going wow, and I hadn't read
Speaker 6: any of that.
Speaker 1: No, it's almost like the shadow version of Pile is
Speaker 1: Animal Mother. He's toned, he's muscular, but at the same
Speaker 1: time he's got the same kind of stare, that kind
Speaker 1: of thousand years, I know.
Speaker 6: But he's wearing full metal jackets. Is that what all
Speaker 6: that stuff that he's wearing, they're all full metal jackets?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 6: Is that kind of yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's what they refer to with the ballercasing.
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming, yeah, I might be wrong, but I
Speaker 1: think you're yeah, you're.
Speaker 6: Right, Oh, Pete, I love that. That is so so good.
Speaker 6: I hadn't thought of that, but you are so right.
Speaker 6: Maybe in the beginning half and the second half there
Speaker 6: there is the reflection you could probably go through and
Speaker 6: have a really good film and go is each character
Speaker 6: reflective in the second half if they're not there? And
Speaker 6: I don't know. It's really interesting theory because Krubrick read
Speaker 6: a lot of psychology.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely said, nothing's there with that purpose. And actually
Speaker 1: earlier duel Sergeant Hartman says says to him, you will
Speaker 1: be born again hard, And so I think with that said,
Speaker 1: there is Career is definitely making his intentions known of this.
Speaker 1: You know, this is he has been almost born again hard.
Speaker 1: He is animal mother. That's that's certainly how I do it.
Speaker 1: And you see there are scenes where you see early
Speaker 1: on when Pile can't even run through the mud. He
Speaker 1: kind of like he's falling and he's got people helping him,
Speaker 1: helping him up, and you know, and he keeps falling
Speaker 1: down in the.
Speaker 2: Mud and they can't kind of get him up.
Speaker 1: And then you know, you have animal mother storming towards
Speaker 1: where the sniper is by himself in case with the
Speaker 1: full metal jackets, and it's running, you know, on instincts,
Speaker 1: just straight to you know, straight towards the sniper.
Speaker 2: Like it's just it's like the shadow he has, you know.
Speaker 6: But even that whole thing of like toughening people up,
Speaker 6: are you giving people their full metal jacket to where
Speaker 6: is their their psychological armor? Almost? You know, I mean
Speaker 6: you can start thinking of it like that, you know,
Speaker 6: like we have our indicating and then perhaps that's the drill,
Speaker 6: and I don't know, you can get very deep, can't
Speaker 6: you think, God, we're not having a bottle of wine.
Speaker 6: What we're talking about.
Speaker 1: We won't go because people will be listening to this
Speaker 1: at any time, you know, in the year's time.
Speaker 2: The dates released.
Speaker 1: But we should really I should also thank you and
Speaker 1: apologize for making you watch Full Metal Jacket. Basically on
Speaker 1: the first day of a fourth lockdown, and.
Speaker 2: This will been the first one we were released in lockdow.
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's the only one we released in lockdown, because
Speaker 1: hopefully it's it's a seven days and then.
Speaker 2: We are out.
Speaker 6: But oh, I actually said to you, Pete the other
Speaker 6: day on the phone. I was saying, you should give
Speaker 6: us a full list of some great films to watch
Speaker 6: over this lockdown, because I'll tell you what. I've run
Speaker 6: out of things to do. I've painted houses, I've filmed
Speaker 6: How to Stay Married. But yeah, we need I need
Speaker 6: to do some serious film watching. And your suggestions are
Speaker 6: always amazing.
Speaker 2: We will get this some suggestions.
Speaker 1: I mean, we have one big suggestion we'll give all
Speaker 1: our audience certainly, which is how to Stay married?
Speaker 2: On template?
Speaker 1: What did you think of Private Joker? As far as
Speaker 1: he's also as much as we go, Why was Pile
Speaker 1: in the Army? I also had the same thought with
Speaker 1: Private Joker? Why did you join the army? I came
Speaker 1: to the conclusion experience almost he's a writer and he
Speaker 1: wanted to write about He does say he wanted to
Speaker 1: come to Vietnam and explore you own travel, which a
Speaker 1: lot of people did join the army all around various
Speaker 1: armies all around the world for the travel and for
Speaker 1: the experience, and maybe he fell into that camp.
Speaker 6: Oh well, see, I don't I always just assumed that
Speaker 6: the Americans were drafted the way that the Australians were.
Speaker 6: But maybe I'm wrong him saying that, I don't know,
Speaker 6: or maybe I don't don't. I don't know. I assume,
Speaker 6: But you know, he's It's really interesting, isn't it that
Speaker 6: he there's certainly surprised when he's put into kind of
Speaker 6: the Stars and Strike newspaper, when he's when they when
Speaker 6: they're given their postings. It was really interesting that even
Speaker 6: back then, you know, that's where he's put to go.
Speaker 6: And and but he certainly doesn't shy away when he
Speaker 6: has that bit of that BIFO when he gets sent
Speaker 6: out to the front lines. He certainly doesn't. He actually
Speaker 6: leaned into it, doesn't he as a character, He doesn't
Speaker 6: kind of shy away from the front line.
Speaker 2: And he doesn't intervene when he's in the helicopter and
Speaker 2: that gunman is shooting Vietnamese farmers who are running away
Speaker 2: and he's repulsed by it. He's not he doesn't in
Speaker 2: any way condone it, but he doesn't try to stop it.
Speaker 2: Now that could just be.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's why doesn't he does? He kind of ask why,
Speaker 6: and then he gets the explanation from that dude, and
Speaker 6: you just kind of go far out. It's almost like
Speaker 6: he he observes through the film the from a very
Speaker 6: kind of you know, from a platform of non judgment
Speaker 6: of these of the human race and how kind of
Speaker 6: fucked up this whole thing is. But he does it
Speaker 6: without judging.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, and I think you know that
Speaker 1: also kind of I think complies with the idea that
Speaker 1: at the point I made before that I don't think
Speaker 1: you're Rick's making too many judgment calls. I think he's
Speaker 1: letting well, he's letting us make the judgment calls on war.
Speaker 1: And I think with the protagonist he used, that protagonist
Speaker 1: is almost the audience. It is fascinating. I think that
Speaker 1: he doesn't intervene and he's almost a mutual observer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because you know, when you take a character and
Speaker 6: by no means a similar character at all, but you've
Speaker 6: got a character like Forrest Gump, you know, and he
Speaker 6: travels through these different experiences and you know, he just
Speaker 6: exists within it. He's in the moment, and that's a
Speaker 6: little bit like you know, the private Joker. I guess
Speaker 6: in this film they're the protagonists, but they also kind
Speaker 6: of they just take you on their their journey and
Speaker 6: they just kind of, yeah, they're living in the moment. Oh,
Speaker 6: Forrest Gum's another one of my favorite films.
Speaker 1: It's a classic. We discussed Forrest Scump with Tanya Hennessy.
Speaker 1: That was that was a fun film. It's film almighty.
Speaker 6: That list goes on.
Speaker 2: It doesn't it doesn't stop.
Speaker 1: When I said this podcasts, I was like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to run out of films like classic films. No, there's
Speaker 1: you know, it's around for a long time.
Speaker 6: Do you know the other thing about full metal jackets,
Speaker 6: you know, like when you look at a script, I'd
Speaker 6: love to get my hands on the shooting script a
Speaker 6: full metal jacket because it's like when you look at
Speaker 6: the shooting script of Casablanca, it's fairly blanked, like the
Speaker 6: dialogue is there, but there's not a lot of big print,
Speaker 6: which is actually you know, usually see a script there's
Speaker 6: stacks and stacks of big print. But I'd be fascinated
Speaker 6: to see what the script of this one looks like.
Speaker 6: It's really telling, I think of I.
Speaker 1: Heard Dean say that when he received the scripts there
Speaker 1: was there was so little It looked nothing like the
Speaker 1: script that he would normally get, you know. It was
Speaker 1: his ideas and the curec was very collaborative, and they
Speaker 1: would really block out a scene and not just kind
Speaker 1: of run through, you know, the paces of it and
Speaker 1: read the lines, actually really perform the scene. And then
Speaker 1: he would and then he would set the cameras, he
Speaker 1: would work out where the cameras would go based on
Speaker 1: based on that to the point even when and he
Speaker 1: would also discuss the characters with the actors. There was
Speaker 1: like he was considering having a Joker die at the
Speaker 1: end of the film, and he kept on had an
Speaker 1: open dialogue with Matthew Modin about whether he thought his
Speaker 1: character should die, you know, and I think Matthew Modin
Speaker 1: made the point, I think it's more powerful if he
Speaker 1: has to live with all these memories than have him
Speaker 1: just die, which I think, you know, really great. So
Speaker 1: let's move towards the sniper scene. How did you think
Speaker 1: about the way the film came to the this is
Speaker 1: the climax of the film. There's a sniper obviously, if
Speaker 1: you listening to this, you've seen it, but I just
Speaker 1: refresh everybody's memory. There's a sniper that's already taken down
Speaker 1: too of our Italian and Animal goes in.
Speaker 2: There and will mother. He's still lively as you been shot, maybe.
Speaker 1: Alive, and they all go in and they realize there's
Speaker 1: only one sniper and they they to find this sniper.
Speaker 1: How do you think all it all came to a head?
Speaker 6: I think it was really amazing the outcome of that
Speaker 6: whole sniper, you know, like you have it's that one
Speaker 6: thing about women in it. At the end, we find
Speaker 6: out who the sniper is and you see the treatment
Speaker 6: of women. It was really interesting when I watched that.
Speaker 6: And maybe that's because of the narrative that goes on
Speaker 6: for me now as a female and what goes on,
Speaker 6: But it's really interesting of who the sniper actually is.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I know it's you know, I mean to me,
Speaker 6: that's where it plays out like a classic war film
Speaker 6: that you've seen a lot before. But the dialogue that
Speaker 6: goes in and where the stakes are for these guys.
Speaker 6: But you know, you've got this entire American army and
Speaker 6: one sniper. You know that that I find quite fascinating.
Speaker 1: And you're right, and I thought of it in those terms,
Speaker 1: maybe because I'm a man, but yeah, you've had these
Speaker 1: men disrespects local women and this, you know, the way
Speaker 1: they talk about women throughout the whole film is disrespectful.
Speaker 1: And to have this young I would have, you know, say,
Speaker 1: she's a teenage Vietnamese.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's also interesting too because because she is
Speaker 6: a teenage female, because in the helicopter they have that
Speaker 6: conversation about shooting women and children, and I guess by
Speaker 6: her being a female teenager that encapsulates almost childhood and womanhood,
Speaker 6: you know, So in that one he has to take
Speaker 6: the life then of that person that he was discussing
Speaker 6: in helicopter, you know, absolutely.
Speaker 1: And I think what it's also saying that helicopter saying
Speaker 1: is it's one thing to shoot.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's Elvis horrific. I mean, it goes without
Speaker 2: saying that with you.
Speaker 1: This is horrific. We're trying to see it through the
Speaker 1: eyes of the characters. And it's one thing to shoot,
Speaker 1: you know, shooting fish in a barrel or in a
Speaker 1: way where they are they are ants on a hill
Speaker 1: almost and they are running away you don't. You don't
Speaker 1: have to look at their faces. And then when we
Speaker 1: have Joker who goes in and sees sees he first
Speaker 1: sees the silhouette. Really he doesn't know even she's a
Speaker 1: teenage girl. He sees a silhouette, so it's easy for
Speaker 1: him to shoot at that stage, but he stuffs it up,
Speaker 1: which is actually foreshadowed earlier back at Paris Island, when
Speaker 1: when Sergeant Hartman says, when they're doing the gun training.
Speaker 2: You know you need to you need to know.
Speaker 1: I forget, I forget how he says it, but I
Speaker 1: know he says, you need to know this or otherwise
Speaker 1: when the moment comes, you'll stuff it up. And it's
Speaker 1: exactly what happens. His gun jams and he can't make
Speaker 1: the shots. She turns around, starts firing, and then she's
Speaker 1: eventually shot by it's the one that Joker didn't actually
Speaker 1: want to bring with him, which is interesting. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: then they've got her. They've got her, they've secured the area.
Speaker 1: There's no one else around, and they're all standing around
Speaker 1: and she's praying and then saying shoot me. But they
Speaker 1: have to look at her, at her face, and it
Speaker 1: becomes a different thing, I think for all of them.
Speaker 1: Did you do you get that did you find out
Speaker 1: that this was even for not just not just Joker,
Speaker 1: This all of a sudden became a different moment for
Speaker 1: all of them. They've killed many people in this war,
Speaker 1: but this moment was a moment that was different for them.
Speaker 6: But the one character, you know that that kind of said,
Speaker 6: just let her die, you know, like he just he
Speaker 6: was happy for her to suffer because you know, they
Speaker 6: killed the friend, and you know he kind of lost
Speaker 6: all hope. He I reckoned that character of lost all.
Speaker 2: Hope and again with Kerbrick.
Speaker 1: As far as judgmentalse, I mean, that is a perfectly
Speaker 1: understandable position to take, you know, but you can look
Speaker 1: at it through twenty twenty one woke eyes of like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's a teenage girl. She's a teenage girl who's just
Speaker 1: shot and killed your two friends and if given the opportunity,
Speaker 1: would put a battle in you as well in war
Speaker 1: times again through the characters not necessarily as as people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you can understand that positioning from Animal Mother. But
Speaker 1: this is where Matthew Modine's character Joker gets a little
Speaker 1: bit of his humanity.
Speaker 6: Yeah, by killing her he actually does almost the humane thing,
Speaker 6: you know, I guess, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: How That's exactly how I read it. There's two different
Speaker 2: ways of saying it.
Speaker 1: One of these like almost turned into this here's been
Speaker 1: this war monster, if you like. But for me, he
Speaker 1: actually did the humane thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, that's for how I saw it as well.
Speaker 6: But then we're just the kind of creatures that are
Speaker 6: always looking for for that side of things. I don't
Speaker 6: think he was a killer, you know, I don't. I
Speaker 6: don't think he had it in him. Think he just
Speaker 6: knew that that girl was suffering and that she she
Speaker 6: needed to go. And then of course then you get
Speaker 6: the scene walking as they walk down to the river.
Speaker 1: Because when he shoots her and puts out of a
Speaker 1: misery pain, the other we say, oh, Matthew Modin, but
Speaker 1: the other soldiers.
Speaker 2: Are saying, oh man, that's hardcore, and he almost looks
Speaker 2: a bit. It's something. I love those moments where you
Speaker 2: can read different things.
Speaker 1: And you know, I watched it twice, and I've seen
Speaker 1: him many years ago that I watched it, thinking it
Speaker 1: almost there's an element of confusion for him to kind
Speaker 1: of go, what, hang on, I'm not that's not what
Speaker 1: you've misunderstood what I've just done. I've actually I've been
Speaker 1: I've shown some humanity. I'm not Yes, it is obviously
Speaker 1: a hardcore thing to do what you do when he
Speaker 1: just did, but it's still it comes from I think
Speaker 1: a humane place.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because to walk away would have been more of
Speaker 6: a more of the worst, the worst of choice. Oh,
Speaker 6: I don't know. It's great when you have those moments,
Speaker 6: isn't it when you kind of sit there and go,
Speaker 6: you know, what do you think when you actually finish
Speaker 6: a film and you go you want to talk about it?
Speaker 6: And I'm sure that people would have wanted to talk
Speaker 6: about that when they left the cinema when it was released.
Speaker 6: You know, was he a good guy? Was he a
Speaker 6: bad guy?
Speaker 2: And that's enjoyed.
Speaker 1: The joy I found with these podcast is I think
Speaker 1: these days we you know, I'm not sure about you,
Speaker 1: but after we'll go see movies by myself and then
Speaker 1: I'll ask around if people have seen these films, and
Speaker 1: you might get the grab five minutes of discussing a
Speaker 1: film in a corridor somewhere before you all have to
Speaker 1: get back to work.
Speaker 2: But this is what it's been.
Speaker 1: Lovely to chat full metal jacket with you.
Speaker 6: You know, like with all the films, whether it be
Speaker 6: E T or you know, a comedy film, it's always
Speaker 6: about the dilemma and choice, and I guess with audiences
Speaker 6: just recognize so much of that of ourselves in that.
Speaker 6: And you know that's when a film's really working, isn't it. Yes,
Speaker 6: I Glaury is discussing this to your people. I was
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Speaker 6: rehearse scenes for How to Stay Married, that we you know,
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Speaker 1: my podcast. It is an absolute joy to work with
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Speaker 6: Well, all I can say, Pete is that you're a
Speaker 6: great teacher and you run a good party, So I'll
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Speaker 1: Is that's what going to work with you it is,
Speaker 1: But hopefully it's a little we'll fun than going to
Speaker 1: work for Stanley Kubrick.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was. It was great.
Speaker 1: I've got some fun facts actually before some fun before
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Speaker 1: finish up. We love a fun facts here on nothing yet.
Speaker 1: We'll work through these because I've kept you for long enough,
Speaker 1: Lisa mcune I didn't speak about the amount of takes
Speaker 1: that Kubrick asked for. He let Ermie only do a
Speaker 1: few takes of the drill Sergeant scenes. But there was
Speaker 1: one scene thirty seven times and it was actually a
Speaker 1: scene we didn't talk about, which is one of the
Speaker 1: big scene.
Speaker 2: He was a jelly donut scene.
Speaker 3: What is that, private pile?
Speaker 6: Sorry?
Speaker 3: Jelly donut, sir, jelly donuts?
Speaker 5: Sorry, yes, sir.
Speaker 3: How did it get here?
Speaker 7: Sorry?
Speaker 2: I took it from the messholl Sir.
Speaker 3: Has Joe allowed in the barracks? Private pile? Sir?
Speaker 6: No, sir?
Speaker 3: Are you allowed to eat jelly donuts? Private pile?
Speaker 7: Sir?
Speaker 8: No, sir head Why not?
Speaker 3: Private pile sir? Because I'm too heavy?
Speaker 8: Served because you are a disgusting fat body private pile.
Speaker 3: Sorry, yes, sir, bad. Why did you hide a jelly
Speaker 3: donut in your footlocker? Private file?
Speaker 7: Sir?
Speaker 3: Because I was hungry? Served because you were hungry? Private mile?
Speaker 3: Has just honored of and just hunter of batoon. I
Speaker 3: have tried to help him, but I have failed. I
Speaker 3: have failed because you have not helped me.
Speaker 8: You people have not given private pile the over all measure.
Speaker 8: Tell from now on, whatever a private Pile fox up,
Speaker 8: I will not punish him, I will punish.
Speaker 2: All of you.
Speaker 8: And the way I see it, ladies, you owe me
Speaker 8: for one jelly donut. Now get on your patient, open
Speaker 8: your mouth.
Speaker 2: They're paying for it.
Speaker 3: You eat it. Exercise.
Speaker 2: That was fun.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was a full on scene, wasn't it. I
Speaker 1: really I really felt free in them. I know in
Speaker 1: how does they married? You would have to bring a
Speaker 1: snack from breakfast to ses? Can you just confirm I
Speaker 1: never treated you like that.
Speaker 6: I can confirm that you weren't that harsh. I mean,
Speaker 6: there were moments and there were times where we're at loggerheads,
Speaker 6: but we always knew you. With the man with the hat,
Speaker 6: the man with.
Speaker 1: The gun, brother Joker, we only know his name if
Speaker 1: you were paying attention. And on the back of his
Speaker 1: shirt it's J. T. Davis. And that's a reference to
Speaker 1: the first recorded death US death in Vietnam, JT. Davis
Speaker 1: in nine to sixty one. So that's a nod to that.
Speaker 6: Wow, I bet OLLI doesn't even know that. I'll tell
Speaker 6: him that's cool telling that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned earlier Vincent Delafrio put on seventy pounds.
Speaker 2: That is a record. I still think it's a record.
Speaker 1: Had Denio by ten pounds, who Dinner put on sixty
Speaker 1: pounds for Raging Ball. So well done to Vincent Donofrio.
Speaker 2: He's still that way.
Speaker 1: He's very good in Godfather of Harlem at the moment
Speaker 1: you see Godfather of Harlem Vincent and also Forrest Whitaker.
Speaker 2: Check it out, okay, god writing that.
Speaker 1: There was a family of rabbits that were accidentally killed
Speaker 1: during the filming of this, and it upset Stanley Currick
Speaker 1: so much he canceled filming for that day.
Speaker 2: So there you go. More humans will he killed in
Speaker 2: the In the filming of this.
Speaker 1: R Lee Emory also had a car accident during filming
Speaker 1: and he's left he's left ribs or broken, so he
Speaker 1: had to take I think four and a half months off.
Speaker 2: If you notice in some scenes his left arm doesn't
Speaker 2: move at all. So the shooting for this went for
Speaker 2: about a year.
Speaker 1: So a large part of it actually was the fact
Speaker 1: that they had to suspend some filming for r le
Speaker 1: Emory to heal. Vincent Andfrey also tare ligaments in his
Speaker 1: knee during the training exercises. So there are some fun
Speaker 1: facts there's and there's so many facts like you said
Speaker 1: that you mentioned earlier at Lisa, there's so many. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's even some some thematic things, with no doubt
Speaker 1: we've missed, and some scenes we didn't get to, such
Speaker 1: as even the Charles Whitman and the Harvey Oswald scene
Speaker 1: where he's talking about how how those shooters learned from
Speaker 1: the Marines. The irony seems to be lost on him.
Speaker 1: But get online, you know, sus it all out. There's
Speaker 1: there's so many great stuff online and so many things
Speaker 1: about this movie that is is deep diveable. But I'm
Speaker 1: glad we covered this one with you, Lisa mcken today.
Speaker 6: Oh, I know we're a bit shocked when I chose
Speaker 6: this film, Pete, do you think that this is a
Speaker 6: bit of a weird one for me to choose. Did
Speaker 6: you think that I was going to do Sound of
Speaker 6: Music or something?
Speaker 1: Well, No, I knew wouldn't do Sound of music because
Speaker 1: I was pretty sure you'd seen Sound of Music.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 6: True, as we're talking about films we haven't seen. Yeah no,
Speaker 6: I'm really glad that I've got this kind of wealth
Speaker 6: of knowledge in my son, who is becoming a movie buff.
Speaker 1: As my internet connection starts breaking up because kids are
Speaker 1: remote learning. Thank you very much, Lisa mceune for watching
Speaker 1: this film. This podcast comes with homework. I appreciate you
Speaker 1: doing it. And check Lisa mchowne out of course on
Speaker 1: how to Stay Married on Channel ten.
Speaker 2: Thanks Lis you beautiful man Pete.
Speaker 6: I've love doing it.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: That was a whole bunch of fun. Lisa mcewne, and
Speaker 1: she is such a bloody delight and I love I
Speaker 1: really love working with her, and we often chat about
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff between takes and on set on
Speaker 1: how to Stay Married. We love talking about cinema and
Speaker 1: film and television and the arts.
Speaker 2: And it's great to have her two cents.
Speaker 1: And I know Olie to her son, who's really deep
Speaker 1: diving into cinema in a really great way. So Oli,
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, mate, keep it up, and
Speaker 1: thanks for helping your mummy. I think you gave your
Speaker 1: mum a few pointers here and there for Full Metal Jacket.
Speaker 2: Great work. Thank you Lisa.
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Speaker 2: That's where I record.
Speaker 1: Everyone just reminded that this one was recorded during lockdown,
Speaker 1: so we're on Zoom for this one, so it doesn't
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Speaker 2: Have the same pristine.
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Speaker 1: Studios with Derek Meyers who joins us.
Speaker 2: Now, Derek, how are you mate?
Speaker 10: Oh, fantastic bit shook up after.
Speaker 2: That movie Watch Street Full Metal Jacket. Had you seen I.
Speaker 10: Would have seen it when it came out.
Speaker 11: There seemed to be a lot of Vietnam War stuff there,
Speaker 11: and I think it was had a quite a bit
Speaker 11: more impact. I guess the boot camp and all that
Speaker 11: and just watching the processes.
Speaker 10: I had a question for you.
Speaker 11: Marines' a bit naive about the American military, but were
Speaker 11: they actually people that volunteered to do this, like as
Speaker 11: a special force or something like that.
Speaker 10: Like when they said that you passed.
Speaker 1: Yet the pass of training to you know, to then
Speaker 1: they wouldn't let you go to war if you were
Speaker 1: in apps or physically incapable, so you'd have to pass
Speaker 1: the Marines. So it kind of came up briefly during
Speaker 1: a check of Lisa that weren't sure if these people
Speaker 1: had been conscripted or if they had willingly signed up themselves,
Speaker 1: and maybe it was a mix. If you do know
Speaker 1: you has any podcast at gmail dot com, send us
Speaker 1: any information you have on that and any question you have,
Speaker 1: any corrections you have as well. So yeah, we'll wait
Speaker 1: for other answers on that one. Derek, I hope I
Speaker 1: can answer the next one.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Well, I'm fascinated by the full metal jacket. I looked
Speaker 11: while you were talking. I googled it, and it's a
Speaker 11: type of bullet that has a the actual bullet part
Speaker 11: that goes you know, into you it's actually got a
Speaker 11: bit of other metal around it rather than just lead.
Speaker 11: And it was invented in the eighteen hundreds. I can't
Speaker 11: remember where, but somewhere in Europe in order it for
Speaker 11: mechanical type loading systems so they wouldn't jam with the
Speaker 11: lead or squishing and stuff.
Speaker 1: There you go, right, So, yeah, okay, see I knew
Speaker 1: it was some kind of casing, you know, went on
Speaker 1: the bullet, but yeah, it's a more detail there, so
Speaker 1: not not necessarily the whole bullet but.
Speaker 2: Just something on the tip there.
Speaker 10: Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: Watching it back, and I hadn't seen it for many
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen it for many years. But it's funny
Speaker 1: how I actually remembered more the first half than the
Speaker 1: second half. And like I mentioned, a lot of people
Speaker 1: do prefer the first half and the second, but I
Speaker 1: do think they are missing out on what is a
Speaker 1: fascinating second half of Full Metal Jacket. And maybe it
Speaker 1: needs a second watch, and I think it does improve
Speaker 1: on the second and third watch definitely. But yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: here we have some feedback. We have a lovely letter
Speaker 1: from I believe is it rachel.
Speaker 11: Or rachel Orford contacted and I'll read it out. I
Speaker 11: watched in Bruges when it first came out, but in
Speaker 11: a bit of a newborn babe Hayese fog and couldn't
Speaker 11: really remember all the intricacies. I started listening to the podcast,
Speaker 11: but thought I should maybe rewatch it and refresh my
Speaker 11: memory before you guys discussed all the details. I watched
Speaker 11: it last night, Thank you, thank you for making me
Speaker 11: watch it again. I enjoyed it so much, but after
Speaker 11: listening to you and Tom talking about it, I think
Speaker 11: I love it and I appreciate it even more so
Speaker 11: much so I think I'll give it another viewing tonight.
Speaker 11: I love this podcast. Thank you Pete Whoa have truly
Speaker 11: invigorated my love of movies, which over the last few
Speaker 11: years hasn't really been there. I'll give No mad Land
Speaker 11: and The Father of You this week now too.
Speaker 2: Ah. Thank you so much Rachel for that.
Speaker 1: I had seen that and so it was a thrill
Speaker 1: to get that, and I do love I keep saying
Speaker 1: that this little community we're building, I really appreciate or
Speaker 1: everybody reaching out, even when people are reaching out to
Speaker 1: correct something that we may have gotten wrong.
Speaker 2: Everyone's been so respectful about it.
Speaker 1: And in this day and age, if we can keep
Speaker 1: our little community like that, then I'll be absolutely thrilled.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much, Rachel. And I saw Manari
Speaker 1: actually during the week, which is the Korean film that
Speaker 1: was nominated for the Oscar. There was the grandmother in
Speaker 1: that one, the I think best supporting actress, and that
Speaker 1: was a great film. So I also go check out
Speaker 1: Manari if you've already checked out Nomad Land and The Father.
Speaker 1: So so many films to check out. Next week, we
Speaker 1: have another film and we're going to just lighten the load,
Speaker 1: I think after after the intensity of Full Metal Jacket.
Speaker 1: Next week we are going a little bit silly. We're
Speaker 1: going with Bill and Ted's excellent adventure. Watching Bill and
Speaker 1: Ted's excellent adventure. He's a very good friend of mine,
Speaker 1: an actress, a comedian. She's a content creator. Her name
Speaker 1: is Dian and Ewen. She's an austrained Vietnamese like creator,
Speaker 1: like I said, and she's killing it. She's such a
Speaker 1: great voice. You may have seen it on the project.
Speaker 1: She did a great web series called.
Speaker 2: Fee and Me.
Speaker 1: You might want to check that out before next week's episode.
Speaker 1: And also she was on series two of How to
Speaker 1: Stay Marriage. She was in an episode which I also
Speaker 1: had written and directed, so I think it was episode
Speaker 1: four last year with Steve Bisley and Linda Cropper as
Speaker 1: well Diana's work out there on Temple if you like,
Speaker 1: and check out all those episodes of How to Stay Married.
Speaker 1: But next week and you ain't seen nothing yet Diane
Speaker 1: and Ewen, Bill and Ted's excellent Adventure until then, by
Speaker 1: for now, and so we leave old Pete safe and
Speaker 1: soult and to our friends of the radio audience, we've
Speaker 1: been a pleasant, good night