1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Now. Yesterday, of course, the Chief Minister, Natasha Files announced 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,439 Speaker 1: that Nicole Madison's going to stay honest in the Northern Territori's 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: deputy Chief Minister. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 2: The new Chief Minister took to. 5 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: Facebook to say that she was thrilled to announce Mss 6 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: Madison has been appointed as her deputy. Joining me on 7 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: the line to talk about this and plenty more, it 8 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: is the Opposition leader, Leah Finocchio. Good morning to you. 9 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie and to your lovely listeners. 10 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: Lea. 11 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: Did you think it was a good move for Nicole 12 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: Madison to stay hon as a deputy chief Minister? 13 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 3: Well, I think it was Natasha Files's first backflip as 14 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 3: Chief Minister. Of course she came out and said she 15 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 3: wouldn't be resolving any of those issues for a week, 16 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 3: so until the end of this week, and of course 17 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 3: yesterday to magically announce a deputy leader position on Facebook 18 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 3: shows me that there's great levels of infighting and discontent 19 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: within the labor ranks. Of course, as they tough all 20 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 3: over who's going to get a coveted seat in cabinet 21 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 3: or not, which is bad news for Territorians because of 22 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 3: course they're spending more time worrying about their own jobs 23 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: than what the reality is for Territorians out in the 24 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 3: real world. 25 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: But anyway, people maybe saw it as being a good 26 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: thing that it was worked out quickly. 27 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 3: If it was a good thing, why wasn't it announced properly. 28 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: If it was a good thing, why didn't she just 29 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 3: do that on Friday? I think it just shows behind 30 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: the scenes there's a lot of unhappy campers in the 31 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 3: Labor team at the moment. You know, people make their 32 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 3: own judgments about Nicole. Of course, she's been the deputy 33 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: for six years and the police Minister as Labor has 34 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 3: presided over the worst crime and the worst level of 35 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 3: economic activity we've ever had, So I'll leave your listeners 36 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 3: to make their own judgment about her performance. But I 37 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 3: think it was more symptomatic of problems behind the scenes 38 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 3: than it was of any great vote of confidence in 39 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 3: her capability. 40 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: Leah, she wasn't the only change we know that the COLP, 41 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: sorry the CEO, I should say, of the Chief Minister 42 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: and Cabinet Department Jodi Ryan has stood down. 43 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: What did you make of that move? 44 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's very interesting. We're already starting to 45 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: see Head's role. I think there'll be more to come, 46 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: And I think what's terrible about what Natasha fars has 47 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 3: decided to do is that without announcing a cabinet for 48 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: another week, we've got twenty seven one thousand public servants 49 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 3: who are unsure who their boss is, what the policy 50 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: direction is, what incoming brief they should be preparing. And 51 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 3: I'm sure to some extent it is in a great 52 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: level of chaos. You know, people can't really move forward 53 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 3: and make decisions because they don't know who the decision 54 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 3: makers are going to be. So I think it's a 55 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 3: misstep not announcing a cabinet as soon as possible, particularly 56 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 3: as our public service will be frantically preparing for budget 57 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 3: estimates and you know, other big decisions undoubtedly hang in 58 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 3: the balance now with great instability in the public service. 59 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: We did just speak to We did just speak to 60 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: Paul Mchughe, the Police Association President, and I asked whether 61 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: he thought Nicole Madison should retain the police portfolio. He 62 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: said that when the chief, when the former Chief Minister, 63 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: Michael Gunner, was elected, that he had said that the 64 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: police portfolio would stay with the Chief Minister, or would 65 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: be a portfolio that the Chief Minister had What do 66 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: you think needs to happen here? Do you think that 67 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: there does need to be a change of minister when 68 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: it comes to the police force. You've just outlined a 69 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: few different reasons why you feel as though she hasn't 70 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: been an effective minister. 71 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 3: Oh, without question, Nicole Madison cannot stay as the police minister. 72 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 3: She has provided over the worst attrition rates, the worst 73 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 3: morale we've ever seen, major health and well being issues 74 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: going on within our police force. Of course, major crime issues. 75 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 3: I mean this has all been on Nicole Madison's watch. 76 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: I've made it very clear to territories that if I 77 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 3: was Chief Minister, the very first thing I would do 78 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: would take be take the police portfolio, because community safety 79 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 3: and police resourcing has to be front of mine, it 80 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: has to be held by the top. And so Natasha 81 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: has made some comments publicly that you know, what they've 82 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: been doing on crime hasn't been working. But the real 83 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: test for her will be whether she takes crime by 84 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,119 Speaker 3: the horn and takes that police portfolio herself. 85 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: Now, let's talk about what happened inside Parliament yesterday. We 86 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: know that the Northern Territory Government's pass the Association's and 87 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: Liquor Amendment Bill for twenty twenty two, which means that 88 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: communities are now going to be able to choose their 89 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: own approach to alcohol restrictions after the Commonwealth's Stronger Futures 90 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: legislation expires. Leah, the legislation has now obviously passed. It 91 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: went through last night. Why do you think this is 92 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: going to create issues? 93 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: Yet? We voted against that legislation, not because we don't 94 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 3: support the principle of it, but because it's been completely 95 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 3: rushed and lacks fundamental consultation to make it work. There 96 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 3: is no additional police or health resourcing to go with 97 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 3: opening up grog to the whole Northern Territory. There is 98 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: no additional living with alcohol education programs, and there is 99 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 3: no additional rehabilitation support. We know and the Labor Government 100 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: know that alcohol fueled violence and harm causes more misery 101 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 3: across the territory than anything else and more crime. And 102 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 3: so unfortunately, because the Labor Government have done no consultation 103 00:04:55,120 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 3: with communities with territorians about this major major change we 104 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: haven't seen for ten years, and not provided that additional resourcing, 105 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: we think it's just going to perpetuate more crime, more 106 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 3: antisocial behavior and more misery for victim Leah. 107 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: The Northern Territory government say that it was a race 108 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: based policy with little to no engagement with the Aboriginal Territorians. 109 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: It was targeted at You obviously don't agree with that description. 110 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 3: No, and look, I'm sure there wasn't consultation at the time, 111 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 3: but let's remember why that legislation came in. There were 112 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 3: absolutely chronic issues across the Northern Territory and it really 113 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: was a child protection issue. Now, whether it was right 114 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 3: or wrong to do the intervention really isn't the question. 115 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 3: The question is we know it's going to expire from 116 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: the day it started. We knew in ten years time 117 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: it would expire. So what have we done to transition? Now? 118 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: The COP has always been very supportive of community clubs 119 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 3: and social clubs on communities and all of those things. 120 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: We don't oppose it in principle. But what we can't 121 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 3: stomach is that no one's been consulting me. Literally, the 122 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: government only just wrote to the decision maker is a 123 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago, letting them know that they would 124 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 3: be the ones deciding whether or not grog would be 125 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 3: allowed back in community. So it's a total disaster. All 126 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: of the Aboriginal controlled community organizations are up in arms 127 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 3: about it. They've written to government, they've been very public 128 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: in ye well on them all. Now, yeah, just getting 129 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 3: this done properly, you know, making sure the rehab support 130 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 3: is They're making sure our police are prepared, making sure 131 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 3: our clinics are open, and you know, there's a lot 132 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 3: of things that have to happen to complement this policy 133 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: and they just haven't. So where does we were urging caution? 134 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: Slow down? The last thing we need is less is 135 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 3: more crime and more misery, slow down, do it properly. 136 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 3: But they have it. They've rammed it through on the numbers. 137 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: Now, Leah, I do want to ask you. 138 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,799 Speaker 1: We know that the Police Association was just on the show, 139 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: obviously Paul mchue having a chat to us about the 140 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: legislation that you guys are introducing. So essentially you'll introduce 141 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: this legislation. I believe it's today around mandatory sentencing for 142 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: those who assault frontline workers. 143 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 2: Is that correct? It's going in today. 144 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, we would be debating that today, So it will 145 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 3: happen this afternoon after question time at three o'clock. This 146 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: debate will come on and it's a really important debate 147 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: and it's a pivotal moment for Natasha Fars to distinguish 148 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: herself from the government she's been a part of and 149 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: orchestrated for the last six years, if she's really committed 150 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 3: to backing territory workers and doing something different about crime 151 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 3: than our legislation today, which means that even first time 152 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: offenders who kick, punch, spit at police and boots corrections 153 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 3: anyone any territory in in their workplace, they will serve 154 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 3: actual in prisoner. You know, they will spend time behind bars. 155 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,239 Speaker 3: And so today's a really pivotal day to send territory 156 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: workers a message that we back you, that we put 157 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 3: your rights above the rights of offenders. But we can 158 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 3: only pass this bill if labor support us. So you know, 159 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 3: it's going to be a big challenge for labor today 160 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 3: whether they're going to back in workers or back in criminals. 161 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: Leah, they are saying that these proposed changes that you 162 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: are putting forward are window dressing. 163 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even know what they're talking about. If 164 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 3: they think then someone to behind bars for kicking and 165 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: punching his window dressing, then it just shows how soft 166 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: on crime they are. I literally, don't you know. It's 167 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: a catchy slogan. Good on them, but it doesn't mean anything. 168 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: There is no practical reason why they can't support this legislation. 169 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 3: The legislation's water tight. They tried to say in Parliament 170 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: yesterday that Nicole Manison poked holes through it in her 171 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 3: briefing with us. Simply not true. She did not ask 172 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: a single question in that briefing, So how she poked 173 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: holes in it, we'll never know, Katie. But the legislation 174 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 3: is good. It's very very simple. It targets first time 175 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 3: offenders who are committing crimes against territory workers, who do 176 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 3: things like kick and spit in your face and punch you. 177 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 3: It deals with them and it's an important message we 178 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 3: need to send and sets community expectation because violent offending 179 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 3: and offenses against workers are skyrocking. And Police Association have 180 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 3: come out and backed it. It's an important step. The 181 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 3: only people who don't agree with this are labor. So 182 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 3: what is Natasha Files going to do? Or she lead 183 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: the same old labor leah. 184 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: I am hearing unconfirmed reports this morning that the Police 185 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: Commissioner may have indeed decided to stand down. I'm literally 186 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: just hearing these unconfirmed reports right now. We will try 187 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: to follow it up through the police department. But have 188 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: you heard anything to this effect this morning? 189 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 3: No, I haven't. Kay, that's the first I've heard of it, 190 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: and of course I guess time will. 191 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: Tell, Yeah, will certainly, We will certainly keep on to it. 192 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: We quite often get sent nuggets of information. Sometimes they 193 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: are correct, sometimes they're not, so we will make sure 194 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: that we follow this up and find out exactly what 195 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: the situation is. 196 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: Leah. 197 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: Before I let you go, I got a question from 198 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: Darby from the DO earlier in the week. Now he's 199 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: got a question for you. It is in relation to 200 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: the solar feed in Tariff. He said that you'd mentioned 201 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: that the fit would be increased to twenty cents per 202 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: killer what hour, But you also mentioned something peak times 203 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: four till seven pm. 204 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: He said, after thinking it over. 205 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: Over the weekend, that he's realized that it could be 206 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: pointless because of the angle of the sun in the 207 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: late afternoon, there's very little power generated from four until 208 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: five thirty, and then zero generated after five thirty. So 209 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: he's wondering is this policy actually a good one ultimately 210 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: or is it going to work? I suppose is what 211 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: he's wondering. 212 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 3: Yeap, great question, and thank you Darby from the DEW 213 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 3: for the question and also thinking about the policy. That's 214 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 3: really really important to us, and we welcome anyone's feedback 215 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: on anything that we're doing. So the model of having 216 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 3: a peak time tariff is what the rest of the 217 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 3: country doing. It works really really successfully. So yeah, I 218 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 3: guess you could say by seven o'clock it's certainly dark 219 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 3: by them, but you know, between four five and six 220 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,599 Speaker 3: there's still plenty of sun. I guess it depends on 221 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 3: your own angles, et cetera. But ultimately what it is 222 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 3: about is if government have to use your battery power 223 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 3: during that time, they are going to pay you twenty 224 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 3: cent per killer whatt tariff. So if you've been using 225 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 3: your power, well, say you put the slow cooker on 226 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: during the day and got dinner preps that way, and 227 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 3: of course reducing your own energy in those peak times, 228 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 3: and say a weather event happens or for whatever reason, 229 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 3: government needs to be tapping into your battery and the 230 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 3: power you produce, you will be paid handsomely for that. 231 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: And so it's sort of a double a double bonus, 232 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 3: I suppose you could say, but really the real point 233 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 3: of our policy is to get people off the grid. 234 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 3: If we can get people off the grid and basically 235 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: kiss goodbye power bills or have very very low power bills, 236 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 3: then that's going to be really game changing stuff. And 237 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 3: it's also so it's sort of a triple win. It's 238 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 3: not just for the homeowner to reduce costs of living, 239 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 3: which we need. It's great for our environment, but big time, 240 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 3: it is great for our grid. And we know just 241 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 3: how unstable a grid is at the moment, how expensive 242 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 3: it is, and that it's not efficient. If we can 243 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: level some of that out by rewarding homeowners with solar 244 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 3: on their roof at the same time, then it's tik 245 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: tik tik in my view. But thank you for the question. 246 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: Well, Leah, we appreciate you answering it, and I'm sure 247 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: I'll hear from Derby as to whether he's satisfied with 248 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: the answer or not. 249 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 2: We appreciate your time this morning. We'll talk to you 250 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: again soon. 251 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 3: Thank you, and just get in touch with me Derby, 252 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 3: we'll have a chat. 253 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 2: Thank you. Thanks Leah.