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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Family's podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's the podcast for the time poor parent who just

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Speaker 2: wants answers now, Kylie.

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Speaker 1: We keep on seeing it in the news.

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Speaker 3: Cost of living is biting more and more families finding

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Speaker 3: themselves in this situation where both parents need to work,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of mums in particular are kind of saying,

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Speaker 1: I don't all I've done for the last little while

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Speaker 1: has been a mum.

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Speaker 3: How do I put mum on my resume and get

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Speaker 3: taken seriously? Just recently there was an article on the

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Speaker 3: ABC website where jess On talked about precisely this challenge.

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Speaker 3: She talked about how even becoming a mum, she wasn't

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Speaker 3: sure if she wanted to be a mom, wasn't sure

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Speaker 3: if motherhood was for her, but then once she had

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Speaker 3: that child, there was nowhere else, nowhere else that she

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Speaker 3: wanted to be. We've watched that happen with our own daughter.

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Speaker 2: Having six daughters of my own, I know that feeling

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Speaker 2: like you think that you're going to be happier outside

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and of course, how our eldest daughter has made

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Speaker 3: us grandparents. She's got her baby with her husband, and she.

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Speaker 2: Thought that she would spend a lot of time outside

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Speaker 3: That was their initial plan. Like literally, he was like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: get She still would.

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Speaker 2: I think he still would, but she know I was

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Speaker 2: not giving up that.

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Speaker 3: Role any one, no, no, no, nowhere else that I

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Speaker 3: wanted to be. Jess Ong said that, and I mean

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Speaker 3: there's a whole lot of research from the Straining Institute

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Speaker 3: new mums. I love what jess said in her article.

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Speaker 3: She said, to not have to outsource care is of

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Speaker 3: course a privilege full of tender moments, but it's also isolating, relentless,

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Speaker 3: and completely undervalued. And this is what I want to

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Speaker 3: talk about in today's podcast, because there's more and more

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Speaker 3: mums are saying, oh gosh, I do need to get

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Speaker 3: out to work, But what do I put on my regume.

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Speaker 3: We've been there, We've done something about it. So here's

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Speaker 3: what Jessong said on an Instagram post, and she wrote

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Speaker 3: about this In this ABC article, she said, I explained

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Speaker 3: in my Instagram post that I'd updated my CV and

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Speaker 3: decided to harness all of my ruminations and include being

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Speaker 3: a mother, because why not. She says, I haven't disappeared,

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Speaker 3: but in the eyes of the system and the payroll,

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Speaker 3: I have yet. Skills and talents that I've cultivated over

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Speaker 2: But as far as the CV goes, it's almost like

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Speaker 2: you've stopped learning, you've stopped growing, you've stopped progressing, because

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Speaker 2: you don't have a piece of paper that suggests that

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Speaker 2: either you've gone to school and studied and furthered your

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Speaker 3: So a few years ago, you were having a conversation

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Speaker 3: with somebody in your favorite retail outlet hashtag not sponsored.

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Speaker 2: You know you're a frequence shopper when you're on first

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Speaker 3: And all of the sales assistants as well. So you're

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Speaker 1: What am I supposed to put on my regume? I

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Speaker 1: haven't worked for over.

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Speaker 3: Twenty years, to which I replied, you haven't had paid

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Speaker 3: for the last twenty years. We need to put that

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Speaker 3: you've been a mum in your resume, which is pretty

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Speaker 3: much what jess On from the ABC said. I wrote

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Speaker 2: I love that we were able to have so much

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Speaker 3: You've rolled your eyes and you said, no, we can't

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, you are.

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Speaker 3: We're going to detail everything that you do in your

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Speaker 3: work experience as a mum. So I said, you're a CEO,

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Speaker 3: you're an operations manager, you're a human resources manager. There's

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Speaker 3: so much going on, and then we started to list

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Speaker 2: Overseeing all managerial aspects of life for six children who

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Speaker 2: require significant levels of oversight and direction. Let's be honest

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that we put that in.

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Speaker 2: Planning strategy and policy decisions for the team based on

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Speaker 3: So this is legit. You and I have a weekly

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Speaker 3: Carry on, though, because the CEO does more, and you

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Speaker 3: write down another handful of roles and responsibilities in that CEO.

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Speaker 2: Outline, delegating and overseeing all staff activities maintaining client and

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Speaker 2: employee relationships via an extremely complex calendar involving multiple moving parts.

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Speaker 2: Building alliances and partnerships with other organizations, in other.

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Speaker 1: So I'm reviewing this with you right now.

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Speaker 3: a really really creative, really fun resume. That's the CEO role,

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Speaker 3: but we also included OPS manager and human resources manager.

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Speaker 1: I just love that one.

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Speaker 3: And the human resources manager we put three things down

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Speaker 2: Well, determining and establishing training procedures for the team, developing

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Speaker 3: So I mean, we're having a lo of fun with this.

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Speaker 3: But as we sat down and worked through this, you

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Speaker 3: a team environment. So let's write it down in a nutshell.

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Speaker 3: Running a large family requires you, as a mum to

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Speaker 3: so valuable. And that's just a small taste of the

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Speaker 3: various things that we could write down that represent your capabilities.

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Speaker 3: So that's part one of what we jotted down, But

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Speaker 2: So over the years, I have done extensive volunteering within

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Speaker 3: And the million dollar question, well it wasn't really a

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Speaker 2: When I sat down with my boss who wasn't my

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Speaker 2: can I just tell you that your resume was the

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Speaker 2: best resume I have ever read? She said. I sat

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Speaker 2: as we read everything that you've achieved, and she said,

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Speaker 3: I want to go back to the statement that jess

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Speaker 1: But when you look at what that.

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Speaker 3: you got that job because being a mum, being involved,

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Speaker 3: so much. And if I recall correctly, you were pretty

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Speaker 2: If nothing else, what it showed my future employer was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so jess on to wrap things up, she said this.

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Speaker 3: I returned to part time paid work six months ago,

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Speaker 3: how work is going, gently interjecting with paid work. You mean,

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Speaker 3: it's not to make anyone uncomfortable, but I need to

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Speaker 3: never ending and complex, unpaid work. Now we're going to

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Speaker 3: share your resume. We'll make a couple of edits and

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Speaker 3: alterations so that it's not too personal, but we're going

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Speaker 3: to share your resume at happy families dot com dot

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Speaker 3: Au and on our social media pages, because I reckon

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Speaker 3: there's going to be a lot of mums who are

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Speaker 3: take this, I can tweak this, and I can make

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Speaker 3: myself look like I'm presentable to an employer, because as

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Speaker 3: much as I want to stay at home, I need

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Speaker 3: to work at the moment because everything costs so much. Kylie,

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Speaker 3: I think it's inspiration. I think it's awesome what you did.

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Speaker 2: The thing that really stood out to me as I

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Speaker 2: was powerful. It was really powerful.

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Speaker 3: The Happy Families podcast is produced by Justin Rowland.

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Speaker 1: From Bridge Media.

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Speaker 3: If you'd like more info to make your family happier,

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Speaker 3: about today, visit Happyfamilies dot com dot Au or go

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Speaker 3: to our social media sites at all of the major platforms,