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Speaker 1: Our federal member Feliniari Marion Scrimjaw joined us on the

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Speaker 1: show yesterday and said that we need to start having

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Speaker 1: serious conversations about potential alcohol restrictions when we look at

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Speaker 1: dealing with crime and the issues that we are seeing

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Speaker 1: here in the top end. Now we played a little

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Speaker 1: bit of this earlier, but take a listen to what

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Speaker 1: she had to say on the show.

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Speaker 2: I think that we need to have a look at

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Speaker 2: some of the Aboriginal people that don't have a home

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Speaker 2: address like what we do in our spring. If they

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Speaker 2: don't have a home adress and they don't have a residency,

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Speaker 2: then they shouldn't have access to alcohol. They I think

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Speaker 2: people have to show where their residency is. I think

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Speaker 2: sometimes you've got to be You've got to be tough

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Speaker 2: to be able to start dealing with this. Katie. You know,

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Speaker 2: we can't keep avoiding that alcohol is still the number

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Speaker 2: one issue that is causing the problems on the street

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Speaker 2: of Darwin.

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Speaker 1: So that was a federal member of Filinkiari Marion Scrimjaw

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Speaker 1: on the show with us yesterday. Now joining me on

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Speaker 1: the line is the president of the Northern Territory Police Association,

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Speaker 1: Nathan finn Hi Nathan.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Katy, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Nathan, I'm not sure if you've had much of

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to listen to what Marian Scrimjaw said on

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Speaker 1: the show yesterday, but she's certainly calling for some tighter

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Speaker 1: restrictions I think, or at least a discussion about the

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Speaker 1: way in which we're dealing with alcohol up here in

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Speaker 1: the top end. What do you make of those calls

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Speaker 1: from the federal member, Yeah, definitely, it was.

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Speaker 3: Good to hear the calls being made. Obviously, we've been

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Speaker 3: speaking about this for a long long time. We keep

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Speaker 3: putting these restrictions into obviously for the benefit of everyone,

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Speaker 3: but again it's the minority causing the issue that we

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Speaker 3: don't want to put restriction in for everyone. Why don't

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Speaker 3: we deal with the actual issue at hand there? Obviously

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Speaker 3: we've mentioned before to the government about a license to drink.

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Speaker 3: What can't we propose a license to drink as you

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Speaker 3: would have a driver's license, you apply to have a

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Speaker 3: drinking license, you have that, you go and Purcio'll go.

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Speaker 3: If you do something wrong, you get suspended from that,

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Speaker 3: you can't buy alcohol. You're right, it'd be a great solution.

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Speaker 1: So how do you reckon that would work? Nason, like

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Speaker 1: a license to drink, So if you've sort of if

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Speaker 1: you've been done offending while intoxicated or for any kind

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Speaker 1: of alcohol related harm or anything like that, you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: then be able to keep that license.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's correct, and that's this is the stuff with

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Speaker 3: rays obviously previously over many many years, Katie. Again, it's

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Speaker 3: similar to the permit system they have in the remote

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Speaker 3: communities and obviously the communities that have alcohol where they

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Speaker 3: have applied for a permit, if they committed an offense

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Speaker 3: or anything related to alcohol, even to domestic violence, drink

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Speaker 3: driving or anything like that, the permit gets applied to

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Speaker 3: be canceled and then they can't drink there.

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Speaker 1: How do you reckon it would work or sort of

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Speaker 1: be managed from a practical sense?

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Speaker 4: Would it be difficult?

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Speaker 3: Don't? I don't believe so, No, you're definitely not. It's

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Speaker 3: similar to the evidence of age cards and they obviously

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Speaker 3: people used to obviously purchase alcohol and everything else if

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Speaker 3: they haven't got a driver's license. It'ld be similar obviously

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Speaker 3: maintained by that. But again it's another option to think it.

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Speaker 3: Why should we keep punishing the people that do the

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Speaker 3: right thing, so you reckon the biggest frustrating do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: The time is now to actually be having a more

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Speaker 1: serious discussion about this, about the way in which we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely we should be having these conversations. These conversations

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Speaker 3: should be had many many years ago, Caddy. But again,

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Speaker 3: we keep putting band aid solutions to these problems, okay,

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Speaker 3: and not addressing the real issue at hand. Okay, And

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Speaker 3: we keep punishing the people that actually do the right thing.

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Speaker 3: I know, we actually target the problem.

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Speaker 1: I know some people will be listening and thinking, if

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Speaker 1: the BDR actually worked in the way that it's intended to,

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't even need those those licenses to be able

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Speaker 1: to drink, or a permit to be able to drink.

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Speaker 3: Correct. There's a health issue at Blay though, too, Caddy.

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Speaker 3: It's not a police response to deal with it. After

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Speaker 3: they drink too much alcohol, or they drink too much

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Speaker 3: hand sanitizer, or they drink too much metal aadda spirits

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Speaker 3: or whatever it is to get intoxicated. It's a health issue.

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Speaker 3: It's going to cause serious health issues to the people

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Speaker 3: that actually doing it and drinking to excess. Whether it's alcohol, yeah, anthanitizer,

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Speaker 1: So just taught me through sort of how you reckon

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Speaker 1: something like this might work.

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Speaker 3: As it would be the same but similar to apply

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Speaker 3: I've spoken to the government about this many months ago now.

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Speaker 3: But again, apply for a license to consume alcohol. If

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Speaker 3: you haven't offense committed by that or if you have

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Speaker 3: anything related to alcohol, get in trouble for alcohol, it's

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Speaker 3: removed and you can't buy it, as simple as that be.

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Speaker 3: Similar to the BDR, exactly the same.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I reckon it's an interesting idea.

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Speaker 1: I know plenty of people that have differing opinions or

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Speaker 1: might have exactly the same opinion as you that are

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Speaker 1: listening to the show. I think if you want to

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Speaker 1: send us a message and let us know your thoughts

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Speaker 1: zero four double nine seven double one three six zero, Nathan,

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Speaker 1: do you reckon something like that? Would be an easier

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Speaker 1: process than what you know, than what Marian Scrimjaw had said,

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Speaker 1: where you know where The other alternative, I guess is

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Speaker 1: similar to what we see in our springs were if

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Speaker 1: you don't have a fixed address, or if you don't

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Speaker 1: have an address when you go to purchase alcohol, that

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Speaker 1: you simply cannot.

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Speaker 3: That's correct, it'd be an easy option as well. But again,

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Speaker 3: who's going to manage it, who's going to implement it,

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Speaker 3: who's going to monitor it? Again, there's ways around it,

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Speaker 3: and they know how to get around it. The people

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Speaker 3: There always is ways around it. Get to learn how

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Speaker 3: to get around these things. But again, but putting punishment

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Speaker 3: don't agree with that at all. As yourself, what should

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Speaker 4: Thing now, Nathan.

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Speaker 1: This week there has been a lot of talk about

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Speaker 1: the alleged assault on the Chief Minister. In a post

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Speaker 1: on social media on Monday, the association said, let's be

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Speaker 1: clear of violence is never acceptable and we condemn the

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Speaker 1: assaults and abuse on a daily basis, you know, and

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Speaker 1: had happened was absolutely wrong, as you guys have seen

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Speaker 1: in that post and condemned the incident. But there has

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Speaker 1: been a lot of terrible incidents that the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Police have been subjected to of late, hasn't there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, And members are obviously assaulted only on a

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Speaker 3: to be had account. I'll be interested to see obviously

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Speaker 3: what happens obviously at court in relation to the assault

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Speaker 3: when they assauld a police officer, they walk away with

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Speaker 3: a slap on the wrist. There's no jail time, there's

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Speaker 3: no nothing. We want to see real action, We want

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Speaker 3: to see real de terrance put in place. We're sick

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Speaker 3: of the police getting assaulted I had an officer in

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Speaker 3: last week I didn't even know about who was transferred

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Speaker 4: What had happened?

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Speaker 3: He'd been assaulted at one of the remote communities, been

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Speaker 1: What so had been assaulted by a number of people

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Speaker 4: What for medical treatment?

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Speaker 3: That's great?

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Speaker 4: Is he okay?

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Speaker 3: He's okay, he's back at work. He's still a bit

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Speaker 3: sore and sorry. Yeah again, he's just trying to do

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Speaker 3: his role again, outnumbered in these remote communities where resources

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Speaker 1: How did no one know about that?

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Speaker 3: That was the question I asked the Commissary at late

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Speaker 3: and yeah, els was there to provide support. There was

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a terrible situation, like you know that. And

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Speaker 1: again I say something that you know that none of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely serious. And when a member comes in here

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Speaker 3: And it's just an unfortunate situation where no one knew

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Speaker 3: which is disappointing. We like to be there and support

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Speaker 3: our members and Aeronoke community to do it tough all

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Speaker 4: So where are.

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Speaker 1: Things that with that situation, with that with that police

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Speaker 3: So we've spoken to you a number of times over

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Speaker 3: obviously the Commissioner. I reached out to the Commissioner who

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Speaker 3: wasn't aware of it either at the time. He's received

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Speaker 3: a briefing in relation to it now and they'll believe

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Speaker 3: they've touched base with him now and obviously supporting him

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Speaker 3: as best they can.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, goodness mee.

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Speaker 1: And like Nathan, I know there's going to be plenty

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Speaker 1: of people listening to this right now thinking that is

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Speaker 1: an incredibly serious situation and you know, that kind of

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Speaker 4: It's unacceptable.

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Speaker 3: It is unacceptable. But again, if we have the punishments

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Speaker 3: to actually deal with it and actually deter people from

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Speaker 3: doing it, it's going to keep happening, Katy. And that's

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Speaker 3: the frustrating thing we're at. Where's the working group we

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Speaker 3: want to see manatory sentence for people that attack the

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Speaker 3: they're not worried about any consequences because there's none.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Nathan, what you're saying, I think is in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely when we haven't got room out of jails,

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Speaker 3: what are we doing? Quite seriously, the government pieces needs

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Speaker 4: As well, Nathan.

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Speaker 1: One of the you know, one of the policy measures

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Speaker 4: Of the Youth Justice Act.

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Speaker 1: How the rank and file feeling about the role out

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Speaker 3: Them, Katie, I've been quite vocal and obviously the role

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Speaker 3: out of this warning legislation it didn't go far enough

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Speaker 3: We haven't. We haven't got enough numbers to respond to

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Speaker 3: How can we do this extra extra stuff and obviously yeah,

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Speaker 1: It did sound, you know yesterday when we caught up

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Speaker 1: Now before I let you go this morning tomorrow is

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Speaker 1: indeed Police Remembrance Day. It is such an incredibly important day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Katie, there's numerous obviously services tomorrow, the main one

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Speaker 3: Then there's a service at Saint Mary's Church at nine

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Speaker 4: Oh good on everybody involved.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like a tremendous initiative and and you know,

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Speaker 1: really very worthwhile, Nathan. For tomorrow here in Darwin, if

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Speaker 1: can anybody attend?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's open for a public service, Katie, they can attend.

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Speaker 3: Obviously Saint Mary's Church makes you getting early because obviously

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Speaker 3: Obviously we'll be obviously listing a person on obviously passed

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Speaker 1: Katie, Yeah, from all accounts in absolute incredible, incredible woman

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Nathan Finn, no worries Cattie at all, and yeah, obviously

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Speaker 3: it's all I remembers up there. Yeah, keep doing the

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Speaker 3: good fight and we've got your back and we're supporting

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Speaker 3: you every day of the week.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much for your time this morning.