1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was and joining us 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: in the studio this morning. We've got the Attorney General 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Murray Claire. 4 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,040 Speaker 2: Boothby, good morning and to your listeners. 5 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 3: Great to have you in the studio. 6 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: We have got the nt News head of News, Gary Shipway, 7 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: good morning, good. 8 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 3: Morning and welcome back mate. 9 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 4: Thank you church. 10 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: Great to have you back in the territory and at 11 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: the paper, so thanks so much for your time this morning. 12 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: And we've also got well from the from Tenant Creek. 13 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: I believe she's coming to us from this morning. The 14 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Opposition leader Selena Rubo, Good morning to you. 15 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 5: Good morning Katie, good morning to listeners. 16 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: Lovely to have you all on the show this morning. Now, look, 17 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: there is so much to cover off and I want 18 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: to go first to the major announcement that started to 19 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: come through over the last twelve hours. The COLP government, 20 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: well they've shocked correctional staff across the Northern Territory late 21 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon announcing private contractors are going to be used 22 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: across the Northern Territory. The Corrections Commissioner last night message 23 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: staff to say that in response to challenges the Northern 24 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: Territory governments introducing targeted amendments to the Correctional Services Act 25 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: of twenty fourteen, subject to passage through the Legislative Assembly. 26 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: The Commissioner of Corrections is going to have the power 27 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: to appoint special officers to supplement the core corrections workforce. Now, 28 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: to put this into a bit of context for our 29 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: listeners who are going to be hearing this probably for 30 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: the first time, there's going to be the secondment of 31 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: interstate officers. So qualified correctional officers and probation and parole 32 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: officers from other Australian jurisdictions are going to be secondered 33 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: on a temporary basis as and when needed. We're also 34 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: going to see special correctional officers and special probation and 35 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: parole officers are pointed through specialist contractors. Now, the Commissioner 36 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: has to be satisfied that they are and that they 37 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: have the appropriate qualification, skills or experience to properly performed 38 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,919 Speaker 1: the relevant special officer functions. Now, what I will say 39 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: is that I've had a number of correctional staff getting 40 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: contact with me in the last twelve hours. They're seriously 41 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: concerned about the changes and say that there are going 42 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: to be safety implications. Well, to them as officers and 43 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: also to the broader public. You know, they do not 44 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: feel that the transportation of prisoners is something that should 45 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 1: be farmed out to private, private organization or private officers, 46 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: and they say that in other locations around Australia it 47 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: really hasn't worked. Now, on this note, I think it 48 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: would be remiss for me to not mention the fact 49 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: that the Northern Territory Police Force are also right now 50 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: seeking public assistance to locate a thirty three year old male, 51 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: mister Chris Cooper, who escaped from NT Corrections custody in 52 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: Darwin a little earlier yesterday afternoon. Now what we know 53 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: at this point in time is that he fled from 54 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: the Darwin Watchhouse on Nuckie Street sometime between three point 55 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: thirty and five o'clock in the afternoon. He was last 56 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: seen in the Karama area about six point thirty last night. 57 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: Now police do not believe that he poses a risk 58 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: to the public, but they're well, we're being urged to 59 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: not approach him and to contact police immediately if cite it. Now, 60 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: there's obviously a lot to take in here, but I 61 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: know that, you know, right from the outset, I thought 62 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,279 Speaker 1: to myself, goodness me the same afternoon that this announcement's 63 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: being made about the changes to corrections. We've got a 64 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: situation where we've got somebody who somehow escaped from the 65 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: Darwin Watchhouse in our CBD under the care of well, 66 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: I'm not sure whether it's under the care of the 67 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: police or under the care of Corrections, but either way. 68 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 3: It's a concern Katie. 69 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: Firstly, I want to thank the correctional officers who do 70 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: a fantastic job under a lot of pressure, especially right now. 71 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: We've been hearing for months and months that our new 72 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: government is taking a stand on community safety and that 73 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: number of new prisoners is now over five hundred because 74 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: we want to make sure our streets are safe. So 75 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: thank you to all of the officers who work so hard. 76 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: But equally, they're also the ones that tell us that 77 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: they are under a lot of pressure and that we 78 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: do need to make some changes to ensure that they 79 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: can manage the workload and the people coming through the prisons, 80 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: and so we needed to look at every single option. 81 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: We asked the Commissioner to do that to ensure that 82 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 2: we could respond to what is needed. And this new part, 83 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 2: this new corrections legislation will allow us to be able 84 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: to just let the police do in times of need, 85 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: go out to our community nationally and find officers that 86 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: can come to the territory. 87 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: I think that part most people wouldn't have an issue with. 88 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: But we're also talking about bringing in additional workforce that 89 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: aren't trained as well, or as significantly or as extensively. 90 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: I guess as what correctional staff would be to do 91 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: the jobs that correctional staff usually would do, like transporting prisoners, 92 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: particularly transporting them, and I'm guessing overseeing them as well 93 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: when they're on court appearances, when they are inside the 94 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: hospital and they need an escort to look after them 95 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: in that kind of situation. And like, I get it 96 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: that it may be seeing that that is not as 97 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: you know, there may not be as much specialist training 98 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: required to do those jobs as what there are when 99 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: you're working inside the correctional facility. But there's also a 100 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: lot of risk associated. I mean, when you're transporting a prisoner, 101 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: if that person gets out and if they're dangerous, that's 102 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:29,799 Speaker 1: a concern. 103 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: So, Katie, a couple of things. They're Firstly, the corrections 104 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: officers are working one hundred and sixty hours. What's sorry, 105 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty thousand hours when it comes to 106 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 2: transporting and we know that there's not enough corrections officers 107 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: to do all of the work that is required, and 108 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 2: those transporting times, I mean that's extraordinary, and I know 109 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 2: it costs the taxpayer eleven million dollars, but it is 110 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: those things stood a year. Yeah, So that is transporting 111 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 2: prisoners from prison to hospitals to the courts, sitting with 112 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: them while they are in hospital, and sitting with them 113 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 2: while they're in court. So that's an important role to play, 114 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: and the Commissioner must be satisfied that whoever does that 115 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 2: role is qualified enough to be able to look after 116 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 2: those prisons prisoners. And it's not entirely the same as 117 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 2: a police officer having to deal with someone at the 118 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: front line at a scene where it's really violent and 119 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 2: there's alcohol involved or drugs, like these prisoners are. You know, 120 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 2: they're sober for a starters, which means that they have 121 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 2: a different behavior when they are incarcerated. So if the 122 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: Commissioner is satisfied that those probationary officers, prisoner officers, whatever 123 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 2: it is that comes, whether they're from South or they're 124 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: from a private firm, can actually do that job of 125 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: that transportation. What that means is that the core correctional officers, 126 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 2: which we value so much and work so hard, can 127 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 2: actually do the job that they need to do, which 128 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: is obviously looking after people who are incarcerated and into 129 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: programs that we need so they can rehabilitate so they 130 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: can lead a life beyond crime. 131 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 4: I think there's a couple of issues here, and one 132 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 4: is that these people aren't going to be a member 133 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 4: of the union, so there's going to be a war 134 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 4: with the government over non union members looking after coming 135 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 4: in now working with the union members, but they're clear 136 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 4: of the intended of the government is to solve the 137 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 4: overtime prices and have privatization a privatized workforce. Now I 138 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 4: understand that the goal is that these people that are 139 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 4: from the privatized workforce will have a SERT three, which 140 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 4: is the minimum requirement for a corrections officer. So from 141 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 4: my point of view, I think they should be given 142 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 4: a chance tot'll see if it works, but there will 143 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 4: be significant btting of heads with the union members staff 144 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 4: from our members that union, so they're not going to 145 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 4: make it easy for the private workforce to come in there, 146 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 4: and a lot of these people probably come from CIRCO 147 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 4: something like that, who are already trained in this sort 148 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 4: of the sort of procedure. So, you know, I think 149 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 4: it should be given a chance to work, but I 150 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 4: think the United Voice, the Union that represents Corrections, will 151 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 4: make it very, very difficult. And this notion that they're 152 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 4: all going to be in experience. We're not going to 153 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 4: show them how to put handcuffs on and they shouldn't 154 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 4: been doing it. And there's the other point is it's 155 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 4: a touch ironic because one of the biggest complaints from 156 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 4: Union has been that corrections officers are wasting too much time, 157 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 4: nursemating prisoners in hospitals, taking to court, all the sorts 158 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 4: of things that these people are going to now be doing. 159 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: So, Selena, what do you make of it all? Because 160 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: obviously the Labor government, when in power previously didn't make 161 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: moves to privatize any part of correction. 162 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 3: So what do you make of this announcement, Katie. 163 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 5: I think it's quite a concern, And you know, I 164 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 5: do echo what the Union has already out later known 165 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 5: in the last couple of weeks. But this is about 166 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 5: the risk of safety for those officers, for those corrections officers. 167 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 5: I get that Silpi government's wanting to try and solve 168 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 5: some issues of the extra legislation that was put through 169 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 5: last year, which is now obviously seeing those escalating numbers. 170 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 5: But this is about mitigating the risk and the safety 171 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 5: elements for those offices. They're highly trained. It's the highly 172 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 5: intense environment anyway, when you're in a prison and when 173 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 5: you're exporting someone in and out of a prison. I'm 174 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 5: not hearing anything from the Attorney General from Marie Claire 175 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 5: about how is the government going to ensure the safety 176 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 5: of those offices. If there's going to be security guards 177 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 5: in and out of the correction system who are not 178 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 5: trained in that highly intense way that our correction staff are, 179 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 5: how is the safety of those security guards going to 180 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 5: be kept up? How's the safety of the corrections officers 181 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 5: who are trained going to be kept up? This is 182 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 5: about the safety obsuratorians who are working in those highly 183 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 5: intense environment and that's what the union's going to be 184 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 5: extremely concerned about and what they're already concerned about. 185 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: Katie, Yeah, I think you make a very fair point. 186 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: I mean, the correctional stuff that I spoke to overnight 187 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: had basically said to me, you know, Katie, we're worried 188 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: that this is a situation where we're going to have essentially, 189 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: what is private security guards stepping into these spaces that 190 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: can become incredibly danger, dangerous. 191 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 3: And you know, if you look at. 192 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: The situations that we see unfold sometimes you know in 193 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: shopping centers, at bottle shops where you've got guards, security 194 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: guards that are too frightened to step in. 195 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: Can I be clear there for your listeners, Katie, is 196 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 2: we're not talking about the security guards that stand at 197 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: a bottle shop right at the front of a supermarket 198 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: that they're the very specific reason and they're private contractors. 199 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: What we're talking about is the experienced officers who are 200 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: trained up by those big organizations. 201 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: Experienced, like that's the thing they're actually we are going 202 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: to need to find them. So they're not going to 203 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: be experienced, They're going to be people that need to 204 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: be trained. And that's I think the point that people 205 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: are worried about. 206 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 2: Many of them will come from into state where they're 207 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 2: already doing that kind of work, and other prisoners around 208 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: the country where they're already working in prisons, so that 209 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 2: the idea that they won't be sufficiently trained and they're 210 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 2: going to cause more safety. The whole reason we're doing 211 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: this is to ensure that our cor correctional offices we 212 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: have working now are safe and our prisoners are safe 213 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 2: because they need the hours to be able to do 214 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 2: that in a safe way. 215 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 5: Look, there will be very Claire, we don't have it. Sorry, rightly, 216 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 5: we don't have an issue with other corrections office coming 217 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 5: from other jurisdictions because they are trained the use of 218 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 5: that environment. That's the everyday bread and butter. That's the 219 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 5: work that they do, and that's what they're professional at. 220 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 5: What we're concerned about, and what we haven't heard from 221 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 5: the Celhit government, from your government is who are the 222 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 5: other special appointed officers that are going to be doing 223 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 5: this extra work, like you said, the escorts, Who is 224 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 5: that going to be and how can you guarantee the 225 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 5: safety of those workers as well as our correction stuff. 226 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 5: That's what the members want to know. That's what the 227 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 5: corrections members want to know. 228 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: Like I've said, though, yeah, like I've said, those officers 229 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: that are going to come to do that transporting work, 230 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: they are in the main from other areas around Australia 231 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: who already work in the corrections system. We talking well, 232 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: I don't have that number specifically, but the whole idea 233 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 2: is that we've listened to Corrections and the staff that 234 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 2: do work incredibly hard. We need to have a solution 235 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: for the transporting and to put to alleviate the pressures 236 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: that they have on the staff there to ensure that 237 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: they're safe. And this is one thing we can do 238 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: pretty quickly in legislation to ensure that we can start 239 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: to have some options so that we can deal with 240 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: the five hundred plus more prisoners that we've got and 241 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 2: to ensure that we can then be rolling out those 242 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 2: programs inside income when you're incarcerated, so that when you 243 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: do leave prison, you're a better person now than you 244 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 2: were when you went in. 245 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to take a short break. 246 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: We are going to continue this discussion after ten o'clock 247 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: this morning. I'm actually going to be joined in the 248 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: studio or actually over the phone I think by Matthew Varley, 249 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: the Corrections Commissioner, So we'll delve more deeply into that 250 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: coming your way, though very shortly. We're going to be 251 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: speaking about the fact that the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi 252 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: is in Alice Springs making an announcement this morning with 253 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: our Chief Minister Lea Finocchio. 254 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: Well, if you have just joined us in. 255 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: The studio, We've got Gary Shipway the head of News 256 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: with the Northern Territory News. We've got Mariy Claire boothby 257 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: the Attorney General, and joining us from Tenant Creek on 258 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: the line is the Opposition leader Selena Ubo. Now we 259 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: know that Anthony Albanezi arrived in Alice Springs yesterday the 260 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Well, he arrived just over a week after 261 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: Peter Dutton visited the region, which as we know, has 262 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: been struggling with issues of crime, domestic violence and other 263 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: antisocial behavior. The Prime Minister this morning Well joining with 264 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: the Chief Minister Leofanocchiaro to sign a landmark partnership agreement 265 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: to strengthen delivery in remote First Nations communities in the 266 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: Northern Territory. The government committing eight hundred and forty two 267 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: point six million dollars over six years to deliver the 268 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: Northern Territory Remote Aboriginal Investment, which includes continuation of essential 269 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: services for remote communities, including policing, women's safety, education and 270 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: alcohol harm reduction. It is a big announcement and most people, 271 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 1: I mean most seem to be on board. We've got 272 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: the Chief Minister obviously there with the Prime Minister. We 273 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: also know that Senator Melanderie McCarthy, Steve Edgington, Marion scrim 274 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: Jaw and doctor John Patterson all there to talk about 275 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 1: this very significant announcement. 276 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 3: What do we make of it? 277 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 4: I think if you look at it, it's funding that's 278 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 4: committed to existing programs. So these are I mean that 279 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 4: the organizations that receive this funding will be very happy, 280 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 4: of course, because it gives them certainty in the way 281 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 4: they that they can continue to run their their operations. 282 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 4: So it's not like there's it's not really it's not. 283 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 4: It's money that guarantees their survivability and so it's going 284 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 4: to be well received and yeah, you know, so look 285 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 4: it's good. And one thing I didn't find interesting was 286 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 4: one of the niches was for peacekeeping, which is another 287 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 4: way of saying police force. Now it's police police numbers 288 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 4: in the in the area. So I found that when 289 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 4: the people start to hide that while using peacekeeping initiatives, 290 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 4: well that's just the Indigenous police operations, which is great, 291 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 4: just but say forward and that's I think that represents 292 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 4: about two thirds of that that money. Yeah, it's been allocated, 293 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 4: so but good news for the organizations that are going 294 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 4: to receive the money. 295 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think obviously the show of force right 296 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: now in Ala Springs it's needed. You know, it's in 297 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: the headlines for all the wrong reasons. So it's good 298 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: that finally there'll be some good news coming out of there. 299 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: And of course the Chief Minister Leaf Nacio's down there 300 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: with the Prime Minister. She's been calling on the Prime 301 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: Minister to commit to a number of things for a 302 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: plan around safety for the territory. And so you know, 303 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: this money is welcome and it is for those programs 304 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: which are as existing, but it needs they needs certainty, 305 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: so of course it's welcome. I mean, no matter what happens, 306 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: our government will fight as a territory first government. So 307 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 2: we'll be asking both the current Prime Minister and a 308 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 2: future Prime Minister for all the commitments that we need. 309 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 2: But I think those remote policing efforts is a really 310 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: important part of this. As you touched on, you know, 311 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: we need to make sure our communities are safe right 312 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: across the territory. 313 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: Any word on whether the Prime Minister is going to 314 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: commit to those other seven key aims or initiatives that 315 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: old raised that we know that the Coalition leader Peter 316 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: Dutton had agreed that he would go along with if 317 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: elected when the federal election happens. 318 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's one of the reasons that 319 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: the Chief rearranged all of her last couple of days 320 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: and today to be able to go down to Alice 321 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: Springs and iball the Prime Minister. And I mean she 322 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: has been in conversations with him and with the Senators 323 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: and House of Reps in that space, but she now 324 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: wants to eyeball him again and say, come on mate, 325 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: we need a commitment. You know, the opposition has committed. 326 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 2: It's now time for you to really show how valuable 327 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 2: the territory is for the whole of Australia. 328 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: Selena, what do you make of it? I mean, obviously 329 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: it is hopefully going to be a good thing and 330 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: a good continuation for some of those programs that are 331 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: already operating. 332 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, Katie, this is very much welcomed by our our 333 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 5: labor opposition. This is something when we were in government. 334 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 5: We were pushing the federal government, both federations, the former 335 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 5: Liberal Coalition and our federal Labor government to make sure 336 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 5: that we had that long term investment here in the 337 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 5: Northern Territory because it's about communities thriving. It's about making 338 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 5: sure that we have those programs that make a difference 339 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 5: in the long run. And Katie, one of the key 340 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 5: programs that's funded by nt RAY they're Remote Average Investment, 341 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 5: which is being signed off today is the Family's First 342 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 5: Teachers Program. Of fact, so many people would know about that. 343 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 5: That's run by the Department of Education here in the 344 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 5: Northern Territory. And I'll give you a great example, Katie, 345 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 5: of where this makes a huge difference. So last year 346 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 5: in the community of Gunbalunya, twelve students graduated their Year 347 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 5: twelve certificates and they were all part of that initial 348 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 5: Famili's first teacher pilot program thirteen years before that. So 349 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 5: when we're talking about long term change and investment to 350 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 5: ensure that our communities and our people in the territory thrive, 351 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 5: you know, these young people now have great job prospects 352 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 5: being Year twelve graduates, you know they can thrive in 353 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 5: their community or out of their community if they choose 354 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 5: to go. But that's these programs are so important and 355 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 5: I just wanted to add, I know Gary to about peacekeeping. 356 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 5: It's not just about remote policing. There's also some really 357 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 5: successful justice initiatives across the territory in some of our 358 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 5: remote communities which are about employing peacekeepers. They're not police officers, 359 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 5: they're not abortinal liaison police officers. But these peacekeepers are 360 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 5: about community harmony and ultimately community safety. But it's around 361 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 5: the focus is around justice and how do we ensure 362 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 5: that there's community initiatives to stop more of the cycle 363 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 5: of crime, more of the coming out in and out 364 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 5: of a community because of a reason around justice. 365 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 3: What communities do they work in? 366 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 5: What are my communities Katie in Grid Islands in Uppercamba 367 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 5: and Urugu Communities on Grid Island in the archipelago. Through 368 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 5: their local Decision Making agreement, justice is one of their 369 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 5: five key priorities and they have peacekeepers operating in those 370 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 5: two communities. So you know, there's some of these really 371 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 5: think local initiatives, homegrown grassroots initiatives, and they'll have the 372 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 5: opportunity now to be funded or apply for funding through 373 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 5: this long term investment that is being signed off today, 374 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 5: so it's very much welcomed by our Labor opposition. 375 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and just adding to what Selena has said there 376 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 2: those community peacekeepers. It's a very new initiative which is 377 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 2: part of the Aboriginal Justice Agreement, which both when we're 378 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: in opposition and the Labor government signed up to. So 379 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: it's a very much a bipartisan agreement that it can 380 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: work on those long term solutions. It is a very 381 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 2: new initiative so that the initial work with some of 382 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 2: just a few communities around the Northern Territory. They do 383 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 2: have things like the Law and Justice groups which determine 384 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 2: with the judge some of those alternatives to custodies and 385 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 2: things like that. So we don't have a lot of 386 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 2: data at the moment. At the moment, the feedback is that, 387 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 2: you know, it feels like there's some change that's happening 388 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: at the grassroots, which is which is a good result. 389 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: But of course we don't have much data. So I'm 390 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: very keen on ensuring that we see the quantitative data 391 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 2: and the qualitape data come out of those those few 392 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 2: communities that do have it, so we can look at 393 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 2: what we can look. 394 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: I think that that's a good point to make. But 395 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: also I'm just reading right now a statement as well 396 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: from Senator Karen Little, the Shadow Minister for Child Protection 397 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: and the Prevention of Family Violence. Now, she said an 398 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: audit of Indigenous health service performance should be the first 399 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: task before any money flows, before these services are on 400 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: the frontline of closing the gap. 401 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 3: Now. 402 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: She's made this comment following the Prime Minister's announcement of 403 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: over eight hundred million dollars for remote communities in the 404 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: Northern Territory, part of that reoccurring funding agreement negotiated with 405 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: states and territories to close the gap in Indigenous health. Now, 406 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: I know I'm sort of bringing together a couple of 407 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: different things here, but the point about whether there should 408 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: be an audit of some services before additional money is 409 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: flowing in is more the point that I'm wanting to make. 410 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 3: And we are. 411 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: Talking enormous, enormous amounts of taxpayer funded or taxpayer funding 412 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: and money, and people want to make sure it's working. 413 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, there needs to be KPIs and there 414 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 4: needs to be regular reviews of these programs. I've just 415 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 4: finished working for the Youth Justice Minister in Queensland, and 416 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 4: she was very good at making sure that the programs 417 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 4: that they were putting in place for the government there 418 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 4: were reviewed, and the reviews were constant and every twelve 419 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 4: months that they wanted to make sure that the money 420 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 4: that was being spent by taxpayers was being spent the 421 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 4: right way and for the right purpose and in the 422 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 4: right areas, so that anything that wasn't working was to go. 423 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 3: So that's right. 424 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: It's not always just about the money that goes in. 425 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: I mean, we saw the Primeister come to Alice Springs 426 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: two years ago announces the two hundred fifty million dollars. 427 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 2: We still don't even really know where that was spent 428 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 2: or what those outcomes were, and I know people in 429 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 2: out Springs certainly don't see that any difference specifically about 430 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 2: that money. It's sort of only been this last couple 431 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 2: of months when we've had a lot of the changes 432 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 2: we've made as a new government. So I think it's 433 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: critically important those funds. One, they need to be ensure 434 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 2: they're going to the right places who have the right outcomes, 435 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 2: and just continuing to keep all of those people who 436 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 2: get that money accountable. 437 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 3: And we know we're heading into a federal election this year. 438 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: We've spoken about this on the show on numerous occasions 439 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: over the last week or so, and earlier in the 440 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: week we also learned that there was going to be 441 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: a big funding boost for public hospitals, including here in 442 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. So the federal government investing one point 443 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: seven billion dollars to cut weight times in emergency departments 444 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: and manage ramping. So that's going to see the Commonwealth's 445 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: contribution to state run hospitals increase by twelve percent to 446 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 1: thirty four billion dollars. The Health Minister Mark Butler saying 447 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory is going to get the largest increase. 448 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: So he said, without intervention, the Commonwealth share of funding 449 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: for Northern Territory public hospitals would drop well below thirty percent, 450 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: requiring the Northern Territory government to fund more than seventy 451 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: percent of operating costs of arguably one of the most 452 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: pressured public hospital systems in the jurisdiction. So look, I'll 453 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: say from the art set, it's good that the Northern 454 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: Territory has become a bit of a focus for the 455 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: federal government this week. Obviously, this big announcement when it 456 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: comes to Alice Springs this morning of the ongoing funding, 457 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 1: but also in terms of the funding for our hospitals 458 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: that was announced earlier in the week. I mean, you know, 459 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: in elections coming when all this money sort of starts 460 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: getting you know, flowing through, but there is no doubt 461 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: that funding is required, particularly when you talk about our 462 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: public hospitals. 463 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 4: I guess the thing about this, this fifty one million 464 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 4: is is it going to reduce weight times? How is 465 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 4: it going to be? I mean, the money will flow 466 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 4: to the territory government, so they'll have to work out 467 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 4: how that's going to be implementing and Murray you might 468 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 4: be just expand on that, but that's the thing I 469 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 4: think people will be asking. You know, they've got to 470 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 4: have faith that it will reduce weight times and it 471 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 4: is going to be you know, it was used to 472 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 4: the announcement was used to spend the Medicare scare, and 473 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 4: it was also used to you know, and we're going 474 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 4: to protect your public hospitals. So yeah, very political in 475 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 4: the way it was delivered, but doesn't give you detail 476 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 4: on how it's actually going to reduce weight. 477 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: Times and enable people to be able to see a 478 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: specialized to be able to get in to actually see 479 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: the you know, the medical professionals that they need to. 480 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 3: See, which we hear like every day on the text line. 481 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: People you know, women contact me and go, Katie, I've 482 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: got a breslamp, but I'm not actually able to get 483 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: in to see somebody for weeks and weeks if they're 484 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: lucky or able to get in for a scan. So 485 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: these are the kinds of things that people want to 486 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: know that funding like this is actually going to make a. 487 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: Difference, absolutely, Katie, and I think, like we've all said, 488 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: all of the funding is absolutely welcome, but we just 489 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 2: need to make sure that we can work with the 490 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: federal government, whoever that might be post election, to ensure 491 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 2: that we can deliver it in the right areas. Sometimes 492 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 2: those agreements get signed up in the past and they're 493 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 2: quite prescriptive and they kind of don't hit the mark 494 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 2: of what is needed for territorians and for hospitals here. 495 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: And we know that our eds are absolutely overworked and 496 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 2: there's just the long waiting times, as you say, for 497 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: all those surgeries. My understanding is that we're still very 498 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 2: heavily underfunded from the FEDS in the public health system. 499 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 2: I think we are a second lowest in the country, 500 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: and so of course, like of all the funding we get, 501 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 2: we have to make a dollar equal ten because we 502 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: need to make the most of it. So it's about 503 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 2: ensuring that the money that we do allocate to the 504 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 2: different things throughout our health system is going to be 505 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 2: things that do improve those wait times and of course 506 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 2: patient care. And I mean it's to be remissive me 507 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: to mention that we have seen waste in the health system, 508 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: like as an example, you know the complete bungle of 509 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 2: the Acacia health system of the two hundred million you 510 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 2: know that are cost and it's I think that's sixty 511 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 2: one million over budget, and there's all these things. And 512 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: of course we have Selena on the Lion who was 513 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 2: the Health Minister and the Digital Minister as well, so 514 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: she's fully aware of that system and the problems that 515 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 2: it still has and that we have to now come 516 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 2: in and fix because we can't have our doctors and 517 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 2: nurses being held back in patient care because of an 518 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: IT system. 519 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: I mean, Selena, there is no doubt that that IT 520 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: system has had a massive, massive budget blowout. 521 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 3: I mean, should we have down a different path. 522 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 5: Well, Katie, this was a program in the IT system 523 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 5: to upgrade that was over twenty years overdue. So I mean, 524 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 5: obviously the cost have have been a big focus, but 525 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 5: in terms of the operating system, I haven't heard the 526 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 5: CLP talk about the good news stories around help that 527 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,959 Speaker 5: we have, you know, I think it was ninety percent 528 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 5: of the territory hospitals and clinics are now on that 529 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 5: new system and operating, and there's still some very critical 530 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 5: issues for the emergency department for Darwin and the Palmerston hospitals, 531 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 5: but overall it upgraded new system. You know, maybe people 532 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 5: should be left in the stone age in help or something. 533 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 5: I don't know what the CLP. 534 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 3: It's sort of. 535 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: Hard to do when we've about it, and it's when 536 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: there's a when it's you know, when we've gone from 537 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: the IT rollout that was due to cost sixty one 538 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: million and now it's requiring one hundred and twenty seven 539 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: million to complete the project in full. Like, it's a 540 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: lot of money. So while there might be positives to it, 541 00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: it's a huge. 542 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 5: Blowout, Katie. What I will say is that it doesn't 543 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 5: matter what government is in power, when your loved ones 544 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 5: or you need care at our hospitals, who want the 545 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 5: best possible services from our medical professionals and the staff 546 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 5: at our hospitals. So that big announcement about the one 547 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 5: point b into public hospitals nationwide and the key's cut off, 548 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 5: that is going to make a huge difference and it's 549 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 5: very much welcome. I think what we're going to see 550 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 5: is more ability in the Northern Territory. We're actually the 551 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 5: least funded, with the lowest funded, not the second. Like 552 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 5: Marie Claire said, we are the least funded jurisdiction when 553 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 5: it comes to hospital services in the nation. So for 554 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 5: the complexities of the Northern Territory, this is going to 555 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 5: make a huge difference. And I've said on your show 556 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 5: a few times, Katie that the billion dollars in education 557 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 5: is going to make a difference in the territory, securing 558 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 5: our housing, remote and urban deals in the Northern Territory, 559 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 5: and I always said health was the next big item, 560 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 5: the big ticket item for the territory to not just 561 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 5: get up up to par Katie, but to make sure 562 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 5: that our hospitals and our clinics and our services in 563 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 5: the Northern Territory can support not just the medical professionals 564 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 5: of the staff, but support that journey of health in 565 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 5: the Northern Territory for territories, so it's going to make 566 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 5: a huge difference, Selena. 567 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 4: Unlike Selena, you're absolutely correct. But the issue though, of 568 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 4: all the money wasted on a kasha is money that's 569 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 4: not being spent in health now. And you're right, people 570 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 4: do deserve the best possible service, you know, and that's 571 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,959 Speaker 4: obviously what you were trying to deliver. But the issue 572 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 4: here is there was a lot of money wasted and 573 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 4: someone should have been keeping an eye on that. 574 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, well spot on, Gary. 575 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: Look, we might take a very quick break and when 576 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: we come back, we're going to talk a little bit 577 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: more about those budget blowouts. In fact, you are listening 578 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty. 579 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 3: You are listening to the week that. 580 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: Was and in the studio, well, we have got Murray 581 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: Claire Boothby, the Attorney General. We've also got Gary ship Way, 582 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: head of news at the NT News, and Selena Ubo 583 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: live from Tenant Creek, the leader. 584 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 3: Of the opposition. 585 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: Now, I do want to talk about the fact that 586 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: the Treasurer of bill Yan and Arts st earlier this 587 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: week that he's going to take action to repair what 588 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: he's described as Labour's debt legacy. So we spoke a 589 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,959 Speaker 1: little bit about this before the break, but he is 590 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: continuing to pledge to protect public service jobs. 591 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 3: He's also set to. 592 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: Remove Labour's debt cap, introducing legislation in the February sittings 593 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: of Parliament to. 594 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 3: Repeal it now. 595 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: He revealed earlier in the week that the territories forecast 596 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: accessible borrowing for twenty eight twenty nine will projected to 597 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: hit fifteen billion dollars, while outlining a number of financial 598 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: failures that he says were caused by the previous government, 599 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: including a failure to allocate any operational funding to the 600 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: Darwin Art Gallery estimated to be at least six million 601 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: dollars a year, and the Aboriginal Torres Strait Islander Art 602 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: Gallery in Alice Springs that project estimated to be in 603 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: excess of ten million dollars for the operational costs as 604 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: I understand it now, Selena Rubo, you joined us earlier 605 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: in the week and you raised concerns about the scaling 606 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: back of the gallery and Alice Springs and said that 607 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: the COLP really doesn't have a vision for the territory. 608 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, Katie, I mean we've been very concerned listening to 609 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 5: Alice Springs, particularly businesses in the last couple of weeks 610 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 5: once that announcement was made by the COLP to scale back. 611 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 5: The idea was that we would have a national significant 612 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 5: project here in the Northern Territory that would be of 613 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 5: a magnitude and of scale that would create not just 614 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 5: the interest in the actual project, the social and the 615 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 5: cultural interest in the project, but the economic benefits of 616 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 5: the territory and the visitor numbers. And I know you 617 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 5: spoke to the tourism Central Australia as well, Katie, but 618 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 5: I mean that's been a big people in Alice Springs 619 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 5: have made and businesses in Alice Springs have made significant 620 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 5: decisions over the last couple of years where they bought 621 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 5: particular properties, tested in their businesses to be able to 622 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 5: benefit from that long term vision around that scale of 623 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 5: that national project. So it's extremely disappointed, disappointing that we're 624 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 5: not only going to have a you know, a B grade, 625 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 5: C grade even project in the Northern Territory now because 626 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 5: of that decision when the FILP came to government to downscale, 627 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 5: but we're also going to see businesses not thriving the 628 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 5: way that they anticipate and what have been planningful for 629 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 5: the last couple of years. 630 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 2: O, Katie, I want to scale it back for your 631 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 2: lists you've already who will understand. 632 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 3: I want to in a different way. May I want 633 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 3: to get back. 634 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 2: To basics on this right, if you are a household 635 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 2: or you're a business, you will have a household budget 636 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 2: or business operational expenses. You don't go out and blow 637 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 2: all of your savings or investments that you've accumulated over 638 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 2: time on one big infrastructure project or you know, like 639 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: what capital WEX cost, whatever it is in your business, 640 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 2: you need to plan for the operations of that. And 641 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 2: that's what we've seen the government do over the last 642 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 2: eight years is announce all these big, huge investments, which 643 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 2: is taxpayer investments like the Darwin Art Gallery, like the 644 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 2: Original Art Gallery, like the Tiger Beret and Overpass, and 645 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 2: we can't even afford to run those art galleries because 646 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 2: they never budgeted for it. And so now we're seeing 647 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 2: a huge budget blowout, we're hitting the debt ceiling, which 648 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 2: it was Labor that introduced that to try and run 649 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 2: in their own costs because they knew they couldn't manage it. 650 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: No other jurisdiction in the country has this, so of 651 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 2: course we have to remove that. But the biggest difference 652 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 2: between a CELP government the new government and what Labour 653 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 2: did for eight years is we're going to rebuild the 654 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 2: economy through our frameworks, changing the rules of the game 655 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 2: and think that's things like the Territory Coordinator, so we 656 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 2: can have more private investment with certainty, you know, get 657 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 2: rid of all those noisy people who complain about everything 658 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 2: and nothing gets off the ground through the Territory Coordinator 659 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 2: and through a proper process, ensure that we have the 660 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 2: best payroll tax rules in the country. So the business 661 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 2: is what I set up here or they want to 662 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 2: move here and they want to grow because of course 663 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 2: parallel taxes attacks on jobs and growth. And then there's 664 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 2: other things like our construction industry and having population growth 665 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 2: through our homegrown building grants. I mean that is the 666 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 2: best in the country as well. So this is all 667 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 2: the reasons for people who live around Australia or from 668 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 2: overseas come to the Northern Territory, put down your roots here, 669 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 2: build yourself a home which helps with our housing problem. 670 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 2: Create your business here and you will have a wonderful, 671 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 2: wonderful life. And that's all our territories ever want. We're 672 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 2: so proud of this place, and I think that these 673 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 2: changes in the way in which we do business, to 674 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 2: entract private investment, to build business confidence in the territory 675 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 2: is what we need. 676 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: Look, I get what you're saying, and take that on board. 677 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,959 Speaker 1: But I know that you know, labor would say that 678 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: the colp will cut jobs and they're going to privatize 679 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: and that kind of thing. Now you're saying that you're 680 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: not going to cut jobs. But then when you look 681 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: at what's going on now within corrections, many would argue, well, 682 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: this is a privatization of an arm of corrections. Now 683 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: that's just a small part and a small thing to say. 684 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: The other thing that I will say is that over 685 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: the years, you know, I don't think I don't think 686 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 1: labor has wanted there to not be the investment from 687 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: from private investment investors into the Northern territory. 688 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 3: Like I certainly. 689 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 1: Understand that with things like like with fracking, there's been 690 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: you know, a disagreement. So I'm sure at different times 691 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: about who thinks it's a good idea and who doesn't. 692 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: But nonetheless, you know, I don't think they've had a 693 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: will to not have things going in the NT, so 694 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: I guess my point is for a lot of Territorians 695 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: that have lived here for a long time, we're maybe 696 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: feeling like it's not a PTSD, but it's sort of 697 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: a well, look, I've been here and for you know, 698 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: the last fifteen years that people that the government wants 699 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: to get things going in the Northern Territory and things 700 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: aren't going. 701 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,919 Speaker 2: And that's right, Katie, and that's exactly why we're doing 702 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 2: things differently, because we're not going to accept the status 703 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,439 Speaker 2: quo that has been happening over a long time. We're 704 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 2: making a lot of changes and I mean you mentioned 705 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 2: corrections again, and I think unfortunately corrections is now sadly 706 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,720 Speaker 2: a growing industry because we needed to get our community 707 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 2: safe and we have prisons that are absolutely a capacity 708 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 2: putting pressure on them. So we're just literally as a 709 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 2: territorian and as a territory, we cannot afford any job cuts. 710 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 2: So now that's why the language from the Labor Party 711 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 2: is old and it's outdated, because they would know that 712 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 2: if any government cuts public servants, they're going to leave 713 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 2: the territory and that's a worse position for the territory. 714 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: Speak we've now got is we're like you guys, and 715 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: I totally understand it. We can't afford to be cutting 716 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: public servants because we won't if they leave the Northern Territory, 717 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: our population is going to you know, to deteriorate further. 718 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: But we are hearing from you guys that the way 719 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: in which we're going to get the economy moving in 720 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory is private investment. Now, as I say, 721 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: that's what we've been hearing for like the last eight years. 722 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: So is it, you know, like, how do we guarantee 723 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 1: that this is actually going to happen because people are 724 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:49,439 Speaker 1: a bit gun shy. 725 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, red tape and green tape, you. 726 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 3: Know, beige as well. They were saying, you. 727 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 4: Know, the business people I speak to, and this is 728 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 4: where the ministers event on Monday will be very important 729 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 4: because I think it's going to out lay out her 730 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 4: economic blueprint for at least the next twelve months. But 731 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 4: you know, people I speak to, they it's all too hard. 732 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 4: Dipples a roadblock. We have third party reviews that I 733 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 4: know the governments is going to remove them. They're going 734 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 4: to push that through Parliament next week. So there'll be 735 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 4: i mean, major projects being held up because they've weaponized 736 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 4: those groups that oppose those developments, you know, weaponize them 737 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 4: to delay projects and get in the way, even though 738 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 4: these projects have already been through environmental impacts studies and 739 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 4: so there's a lot of roadblocks. And I think the 740 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 4: government's challenge will be getting into the departments to make 741 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 4: sure it's not their agenda. Make sure it's the government's agenda, 742 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 4: because department people often imms and new governments, the department 743 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 4: people can seize on that the fact that the ministers 744 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 4: are new, and they'll lead them down a path that 745 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,720 Speaker 4: they want to lead them down. So that's the challenges 746 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 4: make order to you know, they remove these roadboxs, because 747 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 4: there are people who do want to invest in the 748 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 4: business people I've been spected, they want to put their 749 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 4: money on the table. These are local people and but yes, 750 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 4: it's all too hard at the moment. 751 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 2: And we value our public servants, Katie, and I think 752 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 2: you know what Gary touches on there with the mindset 753 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 2: of the public servants and the way the new minister's 754 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 2: coming on board. I mean, of course we're new ministers 755 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 2: and that's okay because what our job now is that 756 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 2: is that change management across people, departments and of course territorians, 757 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 2: because we don't want to see the same suffering and 758 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 2: going backwards. We always have a and our departments and 759 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 2: all our wonderful public servants who have been really working hard. 760 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 2: I mean, you've seen the end of last year, all 761 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 2: the change that was made. It was our public servants 762 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 2: that helped us make that change. They're on this journey 763 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 2: with us, So the next twelve months is actually really 764 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 2: exciting for the territory. 765 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: One question I do have for you, Selena and also 766 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: for you Mary Clare Boothby, in terms of looking at 767 00:37:54,400 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: operational costs forecasting ahead. Is it normal to forecast head 768 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: how much an operational how much it's going to cost 769 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: to operate something like a museum should it have been done? 770 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: I mean, are you guys going to do it into 771 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: the future, Murray clear, because it's easy. It seems like 772 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: a very easy way to hide costs. 773 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 2: That's right, Katie. And coming into government as a minister 774 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 2: and looking through how it was in the past with 775 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 2: the budgets and how the operational costs work. I am 776 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 2: just dumbfounded because my background is commercial. It's business, and 777 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,240 Speaker 2: we would never put a business plan forward which didn't 778 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 2: have forward projections of all the expenses that you had 779 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 2: to do, and you know, you'd have all these assumptions 780 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 2: on things that might grow and things outside your control. 781 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 2: So that and then you check on it every single 782 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 2: month to make sure that you weren't going in the 783 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 2: wrong direction. 784 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: Selena, why was it something that didn't happen with those museums? Oh? Sorry, 785 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: art galleries, I should say galleries. 786 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, Katie. When there's infrastructure costs, obviously that's around the bill, 787 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 5: that's about the bricks and mortar. And we know every 788 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 5: I think everyone knows and understands that operational costs could 789 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 5: be stuff. It could be you know, what are the 790 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 5: despetiers everything or everything that's needed to create an environment 791 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 5: where that building, that office, that hotel, whatever it is, 792 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 5: is able to operate. So when the builds occur, the 793 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 5: government goes through and hopefully Mary Claire will learn this 794 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 5: now that she's near to government. The government goes through 795 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 5: their yearly budget. We all know that that's what's released 796 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,280 Speaker 5: in May of each year. They go through budget cabinet. 797 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 5: There's usually a couple of different meetings to go through 798 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 5: all the different proposals around projects around infrastructure in particularly 799 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,760 Speaker 5: is a huge, huge book on infrastructure to go through, 800 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 5: and then there's also the mid year Report as well, 801 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:45,959 Speaker 5: which is classic on that class. I know you haven't 802 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 5: gone through your first budget cabinet, but what you'll learn 803 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 5: in your first budget cabinet, Murray Claire, is that you'll 804 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 5: have the infrastructure costs in your budget. You'll have your 805 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 5: anticipated or forward estimates around infrastructure. You'll also have your 806 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,439 Speaker 5: operation and your forward infrastructure, so you usually plan when 807 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 5: an infrastructure project is coming to completion. That's when you'll 808 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 5: start to cost in and budget what your operational costs 809 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 5: are until the end R team will start to do. 810 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 3: That's what you've made. 811 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 2: That's what you did in the last eight years. Waited 812 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,280 Speaker 2: till the end and hoped and prayed and it didn't 813 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 2: come off for you. 814 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 5: Well, it's a terrible way and break the years of 815 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 5: years and decades of government process and good luck to 816 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 5: you absolutely. 817 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 2: Because we're not going to accept the status corn. I 818 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 2: guess that's a difference between labor and the seal Peace 819 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 2: alener is that you just buried your head in the 820 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 2: sand and thought it was going to be okay, whereas 821 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 2: this government we are actually going to take the bull 822 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 2: by the horns and go with it so that we 823 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 2: can grow our economy. 824 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 3: Well, well, I'm. 825 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 5: Very comforted to hear that, Murray Claire, because we still 826 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 5: have underfunded commitments by the Seealpeak government, a new prison 827 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 5: that could be up to a billion dollars, disbanding local 828 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 5: government that's about a billion dollars. Raising every floodway kadi 829 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,280 Speaker 5: in the Northern Territory. If it's too late to book 830 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 5: COVID that's estimated at billion dollars. So I hope that 831 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 5: private investment that's the pay for your underfunded commitments. 832 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:02,359 Speaker 3: There. 833 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: Look, we're gonna have to take a very quick break. 834 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three 835 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: p sixty. It is the week that was. 836 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 3: Well, time flies in here. 837 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,839 Speaker 1: It is just a couple of minutes away from ten 838 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: o'clock and if you've just joined us, well you've missed 839 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: a heck of an hour. You can always go back 840 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app and have a listen, or head 841 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: to the Mix one oh four nine website. 842 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 3: But just before we wrap up for the morning. 843 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: Some good news earlier in the week with the fact 844 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 1: that we're going to have some direct flights from Darwin 845 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: to the Gold Coast. 846 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:34,760 Speaker 3: That is good news. 847 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,720 Speaker 1: Also the direct flights of course from Alice Springs to Cans. 848 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: I think everybody in the Northern Territory, no matter where 849 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: you live, you want to see more connectivity. And it's 850 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: something that we have really had deteriorate over the years. 851 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: And it happens from time to time, you know, you 852 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: have these new announcements of different routes and then they 853 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: last for a little while and then they're gone again. 854 00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is I mean, as we know, Katie, 855 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 2: we've been five in this fight for a very long time. 856 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 2: But it is fantastic news. I think over the last 857 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 2: four weeks there's been you know, four big announcements you know, 858 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,280 Speaker 2: Air Asia. It started with Quantus Jetstar. Of course, Spurgeon 859 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 2: even increasing them after sort of talking about not doing 860 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 2: something and then ended up coming to the party because 861 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 2: there's a competition. I guess that's the point we need. 862 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 2: You know, these are these are long term, sort of 863 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 2: stable airlines rather than the quick fixed type chiepis that 864 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 2: come in and then leave and fold within weeks. 865 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 1: Well, the guy wanted Bonza to exactly but do you 866 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: know because it was it was obviously helping regional Australia, 867 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's tough. 868 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 4: We need areas you to succeed too. As a to 869 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 4: bring some competition. Well, the inter News had a aviation 870 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,240 Speaker 4: roundtable earlier this week and which mel Plane pulled together 871 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,720 Speaker 4: and we had the Aviation Minister there or Asian Engagement 872 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 4: Minister Robin Kale. We had Virgin Airlines senior executives there, 873 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 4: we had the Jetsar senior executive, quantus representatives of the 874 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 4: mining sector, the gas sector. So a lot of positivity 875 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,919 Speaker 4: about getting new flights of a lot of anks about 876 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,279 Speaker 4: not having enough flights because obviously in the resource sect 877 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 4: with that plans for that, we're going to need more 878 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,799 Speaker 4: more workers, We're going to need more services. So it 879 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 4: looks a lot of good intent with what they want 880 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 4: to do. A lot of promises, but a lot at 881 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,320 Speaker 4: the end of the day's going to come down to 882 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 4: bumps on seats. 883 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 2: Absolutely to support the airlines, we'll get people here, plus 884 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 2: ensure that people do travel around the place to these 885 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,959 Speaker 2: just destinations using those flights. 886 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: Well, and Selena, I'm sure you'll agree with me, you know. 887 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: And you also don't want to be catching them at 888 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning when you've got little kids 889 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 1: with you. 890 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 5: Oh that's it. And we know territories love to travel, Katie, 891 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 5: but they love to come back home. And we know 892 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 5: it can be very isolating for many people to connect 893 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 5: to family and to colleagues across the country and obviously 894 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 5: overseas as well. So the fantastic news for the territory. 895 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 5: I know when we were in government, Labor had the 896 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 5: Territory Aviation Attraction Scheme and that had three hundred and 897 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,520 Speaker 5: thirty four thousand new seats with aviation to the territory 898 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 5: over a period of time. Seeing more of these lights 899 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 5: concerned and more of these airlines looking to the territory 900 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 5: and to be based and run services and routes in 901 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 5: the territory is fantastic news the territories and of course 902 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 5: our families who want to come and visit us as well. 903 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,359 Speaker 5: We want to show territory too, so we want to 904 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 5: have it both ways. It's great news for everybody. 905 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 1: Well, look we are going to have to wrap up 906 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: for the morning. I'm so sorry everybody. Well, it's always 907 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 1: time flies in here. Selena Rubo from Tenant Creek this morning. 908 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time. 909 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,800 Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Katie, and thanks to your listeners. 910 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: A big thank you Tomari Claire Boothby, the Attorney General 911 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 1: of the Northern Territory, thank you, thank. 912 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 2: You, and don't forget to tune into the Chief Minister's 913 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 2: Year Ahead speech on Monday morning, because that'll be really 914 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,280 Speaker 2: showing down how are going to bed down and reforms 915 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 2: to move the territory forward for the next twelve months, and. 916 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: I believe we will be pre recording an interview with 917 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 1: her before she does that as well, so we'll try 918 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 1: to get a bit further detail. Garry ship Way, lovely 919 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: to have you back in the studio. 920 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 4: Mate Shady, it was great to be on and thank 921 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 4: you listening 922 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: Head of our news with the Northern Territory and we'll 923 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,840 Speaker 1: catch up with you all again very soon.