1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: Bunjelung Calcottin woman from Gadighl country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It is Monday, 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: the seventh of November. I'm Sam, I'm Nina. On today's episode, 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: we're going to be having a chat to Tom Crowley 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: about the upcoming Victorian election. That's right, it's time to 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: do the election cycle once again, not on a national scale, 12 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: but still a very important national event. Plenty more on 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: the Victorian election straight after the stories Nina Wat's making 14 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: headlines this morning. 15 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 3: The COP twenty seven Climate Conference has begun in Egypt 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: as leaders from around the world gather to look at 17 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 3: progress on climate pledges. Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi won't be 18 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 3: attending this he is COP twenty seven because of a 19 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 3: quote busy schedule that includes sitting weeks in parliament and 20 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 3: international conferences. Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen will 21 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 3: lead Australia's delegation in his place. 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 2: The US midterms kickoff tomorrow, with polls beginning to close 23 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: at nine am Wednesday morning ADT. While President Biden is 24 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 2: not on the ballot, the elections are widely seen as 25 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: an indirect expression of the views of voters on his 26 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: presidency and the current direction of the US ACT. 27 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 3: Police have found the body of an eight year old 28 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: boy in the same pond where his mother and brother 29 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 3: were discovered dead on Saturday. The circumstances surrounding the deaths 30 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: remain unknown. 31 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: And some good news to kick off your week. Iceland Air, 32 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: the national airline of Iceland, has become one of the 33 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: first national airlines in the world to declare their domestic 34 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: flights will be totally carbon free by twenty thirty. How 35 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: are they going to do this? They've announced they will 36 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: only use electric or hydrogen powered planes for local trips. 37 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: It was only a few months ago that we were 38 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: sitting around on the podcast talking about us all going 39 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: to the ballot to vote in the federal election that 40 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: was in May, and now here we are in November 41 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: and we're going to be talking about another election. This 42 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: one's got a bit of a shorter run up and 43 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: it applies to less people, but nonetheless it is a 44 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: national issue. We're talking about the state of Victoria and 45 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: their elections in a couple of weeks, Tom our resident Victorian, 46 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: You're going to be voting in a couple of weeks. Now. 47 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: The first thing to say is that you're sounding a 48 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 2: bit husky this morning, and not because of big weekend, 49 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: but because it's still recovering from the mammoth effort that 50 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 2: was the federal budget. What's it like on the streets 51 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: at the moment in Victoria. 52 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 4: Yes, thank you, Sam, and apologies if I do sound 53 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 4: a little bit husky. My voicebox took a bit of 54 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 4: a beating i think during budget week. But I'm very 55 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 4: much looking forward to the Victorian election. It's a big one. 56 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 4: Of course. It's been a busy few years for Victoria 57 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 4: since the last time we had an election. In twenty eighteen. 58 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 4: A little thing called COVID, of course, was a big 59 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 4: deal everywhere, but a big deal in Victoria. Melbourne became 60 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 4: the most lockdown city in the world. It's left people, 61 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 4: I think, a little bit, maybe a little bit scarred 62 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 4: and it's going to be interesting to see what sort 63 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 4: of a role that plays in the election. There are 64 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 4: a number of other issues to get into as well. 65 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 4: I think it's going to be really fascinating a few 66 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 4: weeks well. 67 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 2: Before we get into who's in the red corner, who's 68 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: in the blue corner, and some of the big people 69 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: at the center of this election. 70 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 4: I wanted to stick with COVID. Do you think this 71 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 4: will be the COVID election. Yeah, it's hard to say. 72 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 4: I think there's I go two ways on it, Sam, 73 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 4: I mean, I think you know, it was a big 74 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 4: deal and it did shape a lot of people's views 75 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 4: of this government. I think there were certainly some people 76 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 4: who became so hardened in their views either for the 77 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 4: government or against the government during the pandemic, that that 78 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 4: will shape their vote. I think in general in elections, 79 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 4: I mean, when you think back to the federal election, 80 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 4: I don't think COVID played a huge role in that election. 81 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 4: People were more interested, our audience was more interested in 82 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 4: looking to the future and talking about policies. I suspect 83 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 4: that'll be the case again. But I think it is 84 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 4: hard to escape the idea that you know, leaving COVID 85 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 4: aside that this election is being talked about as the 86 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 4: Daniel Andrews' election. You know, he became such a larger 87 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 4: than life figure during the pandemic. I think he's now 88 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 4: probably one of the most recognizable politicians in the country. 89 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 4: It's funny. I think back to when he first became premier, 90 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 4: and there used to be this running joke people would 91 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 4: call him Andrew Daniels sort of you know, I guess, 92 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 4: sending up the fact that nobody could remember his name. Well, 93 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 4: that's certainly not the case. Now he's this very polarizing figure. 94 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 4: There's a group of people who love him and fiercely 95 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 4: defend him. There are a group of people who hate 96 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 4: him and will never vote for him or his government again. 97 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 4: And so I think that, you know, there is a 98 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 4: bit of a view that this is a bit of 99 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 4: a referendum on what the state thinks of their premier. 100 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 4: And if you look at the opinion polls that ask people, 101 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 4: you know, who they prefer out of labor and Liberal, 102 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 4: that would suggest the people of Victoria have given him 103 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 4: a pretty resounding vote of support. So at the moment 104 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 4: he is I think it's about sixty percent to forty 105 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 4: percent or something like that, which is huge. I mean 106 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 4: that's not even close. So at the moment, if you 107 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 4: look at those polls, that would suggest that Labors on 108 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 4: the way to another landslide victory in another four years 109 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 4: for Andrews. I think, though there's a bit of a 110 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 4: sense that when you look a little closer, it's more 111 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 4: complicated than that. Of course, as we know, just like 112 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 4: we don't directly elect our prime ministers, we don't directly 113 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 4: elect our premiers either. We elect local representatives and when 114 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 4: you look at individual local races, there's a sense that 115 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 4: this might be a little bit more complicated. And as 116 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 4: I say that, the fact that Andrews is such a 117 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 4: controversial figure might map out into different parts of the 118 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 4: city where there are really different views on him. So 119 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 4: there's a bit of a sense, for example, that in 120 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 4: some of the I guess more economically disadvantaged areas like 121 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 4: the western suburbs of Melbourne typically really strong labor areas. 122 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 4: But there's a lot of anger about the pandemic and 123 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 4: about Andrews in particular, and the Liberals are hoping they 124 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 4: can capitalize there. There are some sort of anti dan 125 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 4: into pendants and minor parties that are hoping to have 126 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 4: some success there, So that's at play. Then at the 127 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 4: other hand, you know, I guess in some of the 128 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 4: wealthier suburbs, places like Hawthorne and Q, Labour's probably looking 129 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 4: to do a lot better than it normally would have. 130 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 4: Though those are communities that tended to have a more 131 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 4: favorable view of lockdowns and maybe had less of an 132 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 4: economic fallout from those lockdowns. So it's all, you know, 133 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 4: some strange things are happening. There's some Greens in the 134 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 4: mixed screens are hoping to pick up two or three seats. 135 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 4: There are a bunch of sort of teal independents similar 136 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 4: to what we saw in the federal election, running on 137 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 4: sort of climate change and integrity is their main issues. 138 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 4: So there are lots of just different moving parts. So 139 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 4: even though, as I say, this is viewed as this 140 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 4: Dan Andrews referendum, and even though Labour's looking very strong 141 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 4: in the polls, there's some sense that we don't know 142 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 4: exactly how that's going to map out. Tell me a 143 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 4: little bit more about the leader of the Liberal Party, 144 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 4: and so when we're seeing a kind of debate amongst 145 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 4: the premiers or the potential premiers on TV in the 146 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 4: next couple of weeks. Who's going to be opposite Dan Andrews. Yeah, well, 147 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 4: I mentioned before that I think just about everyone in 148 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 4: the country Tree knows who Daniel Andrews is. It's a 149 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 4: bit of a harder job for state opposition leaders. They 150 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 4: don't often get a lot of attention, and I guess 151 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 4: they're relatively unknown. Matthew Guy, though, who's the leader of 152 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 4: the Liberal Party, will be familiar to a lot of Victorians. 153 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 4: He ran last time in twenty eighteen. It was not 154 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 4: a very successful election for the Liberals last time. It's 155 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 4: fair to say Guy was plagued by a number of 156 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 4: I guess corruption allegations. There was the famous, one of 157 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 4: my favorite ever headlines lobster with a Mobster scandal, where 158 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 4: he was kind of accused of having dinner having lobster 159 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 4: with a kind of an Italian crime figure. I think, 160 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 4: if you're going to have dinner with a mobster, lobster 161 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 4: is the worst possible food choice, just for the sheer 162 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 4: punning potential of that. But anyway, so that was part 163 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,559 Speaker 4: of the campaign. There was a lot of controversy about 164 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 4: the Liberal government's campaign against what it described as an 165 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 4: African gang crime problem and a lot of issues that 166 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 4: plagued that campaign last time. That was a really big 167 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 4: win for Dan Andrews and Labor, and so Guy lost 168 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 4: the leadership after that was a guy called Michael O'Brien 169 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 4: who replaced him. Some people might remember Michael O'Brien from 170 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 4: the pandemic. He didn't last very long. The Liberals brought 171 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 4: Matthew Guy back because they felt like he was maybe 172 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 4: better placed to take the fight to Daniel Andrews, to 173 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 4: kind of argue over the pandemic and to try and 174 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 4: run that negative line for people who were frustrated by Andrews. 175 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 4: So Matthew Guy's back, But as I say, I mean 176 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 4: the polls don't suggest that he has a very large 177 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 4: chance of being premier. And that's where the focus on 178 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 4: these independents and Greens has also come in the picture. 179 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 4: And what would you say the two or three big 180 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: policy areas that are being discussed in the context of 181 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 4: the state election, Well, one of them is integrity. I 182 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 4: mentioned some of those scandals that have been associated with 183 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 4: Matthew Guy. Will there have been plenty associated with Daniel 184 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 4: Andrews and Labor as well. So Victoria's Anti Coruption Body 185 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 4: made a finding of a culture of improper behavior within 186 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 4: the Victorian Labor Party, which is reflected on the premiere 187 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 4: and reflected on others, and both parties I think are 188 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 4: quite keen to you know, contribute more funding and extra 189 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 4: teeth to the corruption watchdogs and to show that they're 190 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 4: taking kind of the integrity of political institutions seriously, and 191 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 4: I think that that's kind of been a big feature 192 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 4: of the campaign. The other one's infrastructure. I mean, you know, 193 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 4: state governments and state elections are quite often about building things. 194 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 4: It's a big part of you know, what we expect 195 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 4: from state governments and what state governments do. So you know, 196 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 4: when it comes to the Labor government, their focus really 197 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 4: is on these big rail projects. So over the last 198 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 4: few years Melbourne City has had big holes being dug 199 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 4: in it to build a new metro line that's going 200 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 4: to be supplemented by an airport rail link and another 201 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 4: rail link that kind of links up some of the 202 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 4: outer suburbs. So that's kind of the big Labor platform. 203 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 4: The Liberals opposed that last bit, the suburban rail thing. 204 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 4: Their focus is more on funding road projects. The Greens meanwhile, 205 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 4: are calling for billions of dollars to be spent on 206 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 4: what they're describing as bicycle super highways. So I guess 207 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 4: you see there some maybe ideologically different approaches to transport 208 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 4: among the three different parties, so that's another big issue. 209 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 4: Then there's energy in climate, so Victoria has been right 210 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 4: at the center of all of the problems that we've 211 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 4: had in the national electricity market recently. You remember all 212 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 4: of the gas problems we had during winter. That's become 213 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 4: a bit of a political issue as well. All of 214 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 4: the parties are committed to reaching net zero emissions at 215 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 4: different timelines, but they have different views about what we 216 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 4: should do in the shorter term. So Labour wants to 217 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 4: basically get the government involved in building and operating more 218 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 4: renewable power. The Liberals have been focused a little bit 219 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 4: more on how you can maximize the amount of gas 220 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 4: that we have in the short term, so there's a 221 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 4: bit of a debate to be had there. So they're 222 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 4: kind of some of the main issues those And maybe 223 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 4: the last one I'll mention is the health system. Again, 224 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 4: I guess, flowing on from the pandemic, the liberals are 225 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 4: really emphasizing long ambulance wait times and elective surgery wait times, 226 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 4: and there's a lot of talk from both sides about 227 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 4: what can be done to recruit more health staff members 228 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 4: and to build the capacity of the health sector. 229 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: Back up, we're going to take a short break. We'll 230 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 2: be right back. A bit of a weird question to finish, 231 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: but it's been on my mind a lot over the 232 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: weekend and I wanted to put it to you. Now, 233 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 2: why should people outside Victoria care about the Victorian election? 234 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I suppose maybe the first thing I'd 235 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 4: say is, you know, you don't really have to. I mean, 236 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 4: I'm not going to have a go at anybody in 237 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 4: a different state who chunes out a little bit about 238 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 4: Victoria's elections. But I guess you know. I mean, Australia 239 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 4: is a pretty small country, and what happens in one 240 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 4: state can have spillo over effects to other states. I mean, 241 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 4: you look through the pandemic and you look at how 242 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 4: much the responses of different state premiers had a flow 243 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 4: on effect to people who lived in other states. You know, 244 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 4: if you wanted to get home and visit family members, 245 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 4: if you wanted to visit a particular state that was 246 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 4: under lockdown. You know, the way that the state premiers 247 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 4: were able to coordinate together, it was a really important 248 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 4: thing for the whole country. Of course, you know that 249 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 4: that sort of the lockdown phase of the pandemic is 250 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 4: certainly over. But there are a number of other issues. 251 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 4: I mean, climate change is another one. It's probably you know, 252 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 4: maybe ten to fifteen years ago, most of the climate 253 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 4: change action was focused on the federal government, but in 254 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 4: the last few years, state governments now have their own 255 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 4: renewable energy targets. They're big parts of the push to 256 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 4: take on more renewable power, and I guess the push 257 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 4: to take climate change seriously and reduce emissions, you know, 258 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 4: and then it comes to you know, when it comes 259 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 4: to infrastructure projects and all the other little bits and 260 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 4: pieces things that individual states do can matter for the 261 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 4: whole country as well. 262 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: Thanks for that, tom That is all we've got time 263 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: for today on the zalely Os. But big announcement, the 264 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: final episode of The Mirror is now live in your 265 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: podcast feeds, so we have a full set go and 266 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: have listened to it. Let me know what you think 267 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: of the finale and otherwise we'll speak to you tomorrow.