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Speaker 2: Oh hi, I'm Amanda and I'm Rumby. Welcome to.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about a topic that I enjoy and uh

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Speaker 4: you know I do. We have a you know, the

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Speaker 5: That's gonna be a Kiki Kiki episode because fashion, honey, fashion.

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Speaker 2: Apologies.

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Speaker 4: So if any of you do not know, Amanda is

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Speaker 4: a stylist, Okay, she's a fashion Noshion.

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Speaker 3: I don't like the word fashionista, but but you know, yes,

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Speaker 3: for this episode, and she's a stylist, so you know

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Speaker 3: she she'd be known. We for our whole friendship.

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Speaker 4: We always talk about French fashion, like looks, looks when

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Speaker 3: Therefore, oh my gosh, yes, yeah, man, I'm so hyped.

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Speaker 3: So let's get right into it.

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Speaker 4: What is fashion to you as someone in the industry,

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Speaker 5: As an individual? I would definitely say expression. Fashion is

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Speaker 5: equal to expression for me. So it's almost like, what

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Speaker 5: When I see someone wearing something, I'm like, what are

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Speaker 5: And I think like style is very very personal, Like

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Speaker 5: that's where you get to go beyond the fashion, beyond

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Speaker 5: what's what the look is. You put a touch of

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Speaker 2: I think that's what the style is to me, That's

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Speaker 4: You know, they say don't judge a book by its cover,

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Speaker 4: in the wrong space, honey, Like, yeah, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean. So I think it is an expression of self.

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Speaker 4: Fashion is an expression of self.

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Speaker 3: Style is the individuality.

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Speaker 4: As Amanda said, it's like, this is who I am,

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Speaker 5: So, but I would be happy to wear that, but

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Speaker 5: Finance episode Regrets. I don't regret it, but definitely maybe.

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Speaker 2: It should have toned down the buying of clothes.

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Speaker 5: And especially because I used to work near an outlet,

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Speaker 4: Any other regrets, So you spoke about like, you know,

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Speaker 5: I think I think probably being too trendy because then

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Speaker 2: Yes, and they're not only trendy, but the trendy with

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Speaker 5: So I think that's my biggest regret because the amount

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Speaker 5: Every time we moved house, I would be like what

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Speaker 5: trying not to go back to that. I'm with you

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Speaker 5: style wise in the look naha, I was always looking good.

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Speaker 4: So what would you say your current style is, like,

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Speaker 5: Probably if it all still have that chameleon vibes, I

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Speaker 2: But I think laid back is always like a vibe

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Speaker 2: you do it well, you do it very well.

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Speaker 3: Oh thank you, yeah, thank you?

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Speaker 2: And your style regrets from me? Are there any coming?

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Speaker 3: Hey?

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Speaker 4: My leave is dance dress when I look at those photos,

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Speaker 2: Now this is true.

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Speaker 3: This is true because people's dresses weren't that much different.

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Speaker 4: I've never maybe once or twice.

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Speaker 6: Breathe can't move, you can't do anything in this dress, sleep.

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Speaker 3: Dress. But it's just not my vibe. It's not my style.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you can. You can hit the club in

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Speaker 2: any other dress for a while there.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is true, This is true. So I mean

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Speaker 3: I was just doing what everyone else was doing. But

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Speaker 3: like awkward girl growing up high school whatever, is that

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Speaker 3: just like well it is what it is like similar

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Speaker 5: Yeah, funny you said that. I do remember in high

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Speaker 2: Yes, I was about to say for me, it's that

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Speaker 3: And that doesn't make me feel good. And you any

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Speaker 5: I think you have to try and see and sometimes

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Speaker 5: have also changed. You know about decades you spoke about,

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Speaker 3: It's not your calling.

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Speaker 4: It's not it's not your calling for sure, and your

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Speaker 5: You just never know what she's gonna wear. Sometimes she

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Speaker 5: I'm really enjoying it where yeah, they're a bit older,

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Speaker 3: Like they're not competing with the younges. They're not like

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Speaker 5: I think those three always circulate, Like I like seeing

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Speaker 5: But when you are looking good, I could not be

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Speaker 5: I like what Rihanna does where she just switches up.

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Speaker 2: You never know, you never know. So I think with

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Speaker 3: Family is another thing savage.

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Speaker 5: Paying in Zimbabwe. Limitations not our friends, and also we

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Speaker 3: So that is true.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's not even about limitations because I said

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Speaker 2: And I feel like, yeah, in Zim it's a in space.

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Speaker 4: Definitely I definitely agree with you, Like Gabrielle Union is

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Speaker 4: but they came through hats like she And also she's working.

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Speaker 3: With one of my favorite brands currently, Fear of God.

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Speaker 2: Remember you showing me that.

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Speaker 4: It's just chef's kiss, like those pieces my gash if

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Speaker 4: but really like being exploring. First she started with print,

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Speaker 4: then she went with you know, oversight things like oversized

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Speaker 3: So I will always have respect for her. Ryan Destiny,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I just wanted to just I just yo

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Speaker 4: I had an older cousin like she used to rock

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Speaker 3: Things like she did.

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Speaker 4: You like the finer things. My mom is always telling me.

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Speaker 4: look at him like snap, Okay.

441
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: So like Amanda for.

442
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 4: Me, her style is you know, she's the comeleon, but

443
00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 4: comfort how she mixes comfort with like like this elegance

444
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 4: and this like effortlessness. Whenever I see a manage, she

445
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 4: just looks like effortless, but like still she I don't

446
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 4: know how you doing. And then I have other friends

447
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 4: like different style. You're like, okay, snap, I see that,

448
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 4: So it's beautiful. I can definitely appreciate.

449
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 5: It's nice as well that we got to go to

450
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 5: UNI's probably not in Zim because I feel like we

451
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 5: got to explore.

452
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: And I sometimes think had we stayed in Zim, I

453
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: wonder what our style would look like, you know, with it.

454
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just kind of like an also access as well,

455
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 5: you can try different things.

456
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 2: I do remember being so angry.

457
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 5: I remember like and my mom's funeral, crying the hardest

458
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 5: because my dad was just like to my mom's family,

459
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 5: this family just grab whatever. But you know they like

460
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 5: him bashka, you know if it's such a big in

461
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 5: our culture. And I remember thinking, man, like you know,

462
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 5: and and I was young obviously fourteen, not gonna probably

463
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 5: to wear what your mom was wearing. But there were

464
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 5: so many classic pieces. Now I think of all the

465
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 5: denim jackets or the ninth Vibe, and you're like, man,

466
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 5: you know, but it's just one of those things that's

467
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 5: probably like a regret that it wasn't perceived to be.

468
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 5: We're not sentimental people, so I don't think my dad

469
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 5: would have thought, let me keep a few pieces for Actually,

470
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 5: what they did was keep a few dinner sets.

471
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: That's what it is, because it kept a few.

472
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 3: China pieces so I can be in the kitchen cooking.

473
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 3: That's all you need to be doing.

474
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 5: But they didn't then stretch that sentimentality far enough to

475
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 5: be like maybe a jacket or two or a blaze

476
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 5: or two.

477
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 2: Because my dad used to travel a lot for work,

478
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: so obviously he would always buy.

479
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 5: Her things, and she loves shopping, and sometimes I was

480
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 5: thinking would be nice to have a piece or two

481
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 5: that were like from her.

482
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 3: But this is what it is. Yeah, I know, I

483
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 3: get you. I get you. Yeah.

484
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 5: Is there any style you admire but you feel isn't

485
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 5: you like you look at me like?

486
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: WHOA that really works for her? But I could never

487
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: do that. H him could be a guy.

488
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: Ah, there's this guy, what's his name? Wisdom? He's on.

489
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, wisdom, Oh my god.

490
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 4: He just and he also does a lot of the

491
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 4: seventies but in a way that has necessarily be myself.

492
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 4: It's just like but I'm always just like God, Like

493
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 4: every time, I'm just like, give it to me, give

494
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 4: me that funk. That Yeah, so definitely his, I think honestly,

495
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 4: And people can judge me for this. Kim Kardashian pushes

496
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 4: some the envelope on certain things, and I'm like, I

497
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 4: can never wear like leather or plastic hd to toe

498
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 4: or whatever, but I can respect that she will wear

499
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 4: where it and it will look good because I know

500
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 4: someone else won't try it and someone be the same story,

501
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So that, and then there's

502
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 4: also Haley b but she she really manages to make

503
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 4: things look easy her style. She really just makes it

504
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 4: seem like, oh I just threw this on or you know,

505
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 4: like you know that's why you know she's a model,

506
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 4: not me.

507
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know I like it. But you're gonna

508
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 2: admire from a fat because wisdom you said, you die.

509
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 5: And even for a guy, I would think it'd be

510
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 5: very challenging to go into space and feel confident, especially

511
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 5: a head for sexual guy, because you would feel judged.

512
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 5: You know, if you wear bottoms, what are you? But

513
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 5: he boundary he kills it.

514
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 4: And also like sixty so like Madmen style love, it's

515
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 4: not me but love. I mean I would borrow certain

516
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 4: looks for sure, but beautiful and you is there anyone

517
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 4: else for me?

518
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: Mine's going to be super random and just with me here.

519
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 2: But Princess Diana, Oh yeah, the exactly.

520
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 5: And I think for me it's because she even though

521
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 5: she's a royal whatever started out being a royal.

522
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: She didn't conform, so she still was pushing, you know,

523
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: she's still and I like that.

524
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 5: I admire that, and I feel like a lot of

525
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 5: times when you look at even like the whole cycle shorts,

526
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 5: biker shorts, T shirt. Look, she was rocking that too,

527
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 5: you know. So it's like things like she's the ultimate cyclical.

528
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 5: If you look at her looks from then now, you're like, wow,

529
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 5: we're wearing these clothes like all of them.

530
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

531
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 5: I think I like that she pushed in her own

532
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 5: way in a fun space, like she made it fun,

533
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 5: like not looking frumpy, and so I think back in

534
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 5: the royals were probably looking frumpy and she.

535
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: So so I really really, I mean, it's not me,

536
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: not everything that she wears is me.

537
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 5: And I think at her age like two kids as well,

538
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 5: probably a bit of an older style.

539
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: Than what I like. But I she killed it.

540
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: She killed it for sure, timeless because those photos look

541
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: like yesterday.

542
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 3: N she she really was Nah.

543
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 4: And then which you know, we talked about trends, and

544
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 4: then obviously that leads into the conversation.

545
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 3: Around fast fashion.

546
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 4: Our fast fashion is killing our planet because now fast

547
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 4: fashion is obviously created access where they never used to

548
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 4: be the access. So my question then is what are

549
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 4: your thoughts on fast fast fashion fast fashion? And for Shan,

550
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 4: I was speaking friends and slow versus slow fashion, you know,

551
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 4: and your thoughts around that, especially being someone in the industry.

552
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: Essentially, Yeah, I feel it's definitely a necessary conversation. You

553
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: can't it anymore.

554
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 5: You can't just be like, well, I have to be

555
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 5: trended in it's cheaper and it's all these reasons that

556
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 5: sounds superficial. Now you really have to be consciously buying

557
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 5: because I think it's like there's a crazy number from

558
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 5: like Zara. I think they do from concept to execution

559
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 5: nine days, and that's crazy. They think of an idea,

560
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 5: they do it, they do all the designs and then

561
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 5: they have it in store within nine days and that's

562
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 5: and that's insane.

563
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: That's insanely fast.

564
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 5: You know, people who do trend reports when you're doing all,

565
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 5: you know, all the trends spring, summer or some winter,

566
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 5: they're done in advance of the season that you're not in.

567
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 5: So to think of stores doing nine days is like

568
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 5: or even two weeks insane, right.

569
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: So I feel like in some ways, but I also

570
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: think it was of social media.

571
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 5: People want to consume because when we see it on

572
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 5: celebrities back in the days, back.

573
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: In the actual nineties.

574
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 3: Chance, Yeah, the time you saw it.

575
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 5: On the magazines or whatever, you would literally just wait

576
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 5: your turn until the ye. But now if Kim is

577
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 5: selling the stuff direct to consumer, don't have to wait,

578
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 5: you know.

579
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: So it's like.

580
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 5: It comes with the impercussions of that is that now

581
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 5: we do get things that are like too, it's too quick,

582
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 5: it's too you don't even think of it consciously.

583
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: You're just buying and buying consumers, and it's so high.

584
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 5: So I am becoming more and more like a supporter

585
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 5: of secondhand or vintage clothing or thrifting, whatever you want

586
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 5: to call it. Some people are getting annoyed by that

587
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 5: because they feel like it used to be a space

588
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 5: for people who couldn't afford.

589
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: So, but now prices of course driving our prices.

590
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 5: It's you know, so it's it's such a we're not there, yere,

591
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 5: You're not where we're meant to be. It's still a

592
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 5: work in progress for but I think as a consumer,

593
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 5: you can't ignore the fact.

594
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: That you addressed.

595
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I really do believe in before you go

596
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 5: shopping for anything, even if it's just one or two

597
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 5: pieces to go through your wardrobe, really look as if

598
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 5: something I could wear origin there's something that okay, instead

599
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 5: of me wearing, could I donate it?

600
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: Is it still good enough? Connection?

601
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 5: Is there something that like, you know, just to make

602
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 5: more capsule wardrobes rather than like just stuff, you know,

603
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 5: that's how that's where I'm currently at, like just trying

604
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 5: to create more streamlined.

605
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 3: And it's so important to give away.

606
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 4: And you know, you know, I've always you know, been

607
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 4: ain't no shame in my mass drifting game. Sure, always

608
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: whether it was through friends, like you know, and like

609
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 4: I had have an amazing friend and she would always like,

610
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 4: oh I saw this, I have this, I think you

611
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 4: would look great in it, And that that is a

612
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 4: form of like I guess, you know second hand. Of course,

613
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: there was no shame in my game and Johannesburg, I

614
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 4: would go downtown to go, you know through the bales

615
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 4: like my bed, even numpets and more and those. Yeah,

616
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 4: exactly if you if you wash that ish properly, you'll

617
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 4: be good or just fix the button or fine. And

618
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 4: I think I think then you really get pieces that

619
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 4: are unique and you know, and people will be like, oh,

620
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 4: that's amazing, as opposed to like, oh I saw it

621
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 4: on ten other people.

622
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: Exactly.

623
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 3: Fast fashion works you know, for.

624
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 4: Access for sure, and if you haven't had access for

625
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 4: a while, like coming from Zim and into a new environment,

626
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 4: it's like you're like, oh no, I can get it too.

627
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 4: I can get it too. I don't have to wait.

628
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 4: So there's also it's it's there's a balance tight to it.

629
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 4: But they both have their place. Unfortunately with fast fashion

630
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 4: it's having a detrimental effect on the environment.

631
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: So that also brings another element to like.

632
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: Those like shopping halls where you see influences.

633
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 5: Duying like so many and then they do like a

634
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 5: hole every week and you're like, I was literally maybe

635
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 5: maybe do it seasonal. Maybe, But because celebrities are also

636
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 5: not being tied into fashion houses like you know, Beyonce,

637
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 5: the Ivy park Skins, all this stuff and they come

638
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 5: out every month.

639
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: Then these influencers have to do holes for every single Yes,

640
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: if I.

641
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 4: Become the amount of H and M and Zarah spring

642
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 4: balls I've seen on YouTube, I'm just like, dang, your son,

643
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 4: Like whoa like you know what I mean?

644
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: Like, it's yeah, a lot, yeah, a lot. Do you

645
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: like shopping? Though?

646
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 6: That being said, do you enjoy shopping? And I cut

647
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 6: myself up already by saying it's a lot, you know what?

648
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 6: Shopping with purpose?

649
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 5: I like, I'm not really someone who mindlessly just goes

650
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go window shopping.

651
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I go with intent, with purpose.

652
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 5: I know what I want, I know what I need,

653
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 5: I know which gaps I win my wardrobe before I

654
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 5: go so and I mean that's something that obviously when

655
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 5: you are styling, when you have a stylist, they can

656
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 5: help you with whereas just unconsciously shopping, I'm not really

657
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 5: into that anymore. So like if I'm going, I'm going

658
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 5: to look for this, you know, and I feel like, yeah,

659
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 5: when you're having trying to create a smaller wardrobe.

660
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 2: That's the only way you can do it. I don't.

661
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,479
Speaker 5: I do get frustrated when it's too busy or there's

662
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 5: two so I try to like go during the week

663
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 5: or at a quiet time. I'm very like, I don't

664
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 5: like I get anxious and there's like lots of people

665
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 5: and you're fighting for like, Like, I was so happy

666
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 5: when you finally got to the States. I'd heard about

667
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 5: Black Friday ever since we were young. When you finally

668
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 5: got to the States and I actually said to myself,

669
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 5: we have to be in New York for Black Friday,

670
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 5: Like I'm not doing it. And then when we got there,

671
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 5: I was so relieved to find out that it was

672
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 5: the whole week they had expended. I was so actually

673
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 5: when Black Friday came along. Apart from electronics, I think

674
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 5: when it came to clothes, there was the same sale

675
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 5: that had the night being Yeah, so that like was

676
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 5: such a welcome relief for me.

677
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 2: They didn't have to go fighting fighting. Yes, yes, I'm

678
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: not that kind of I.

679
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 5: Think it should be an experience where you pamper yourself

680
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 5: and you retake your time to decide at least the

681
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 5: pants the right fit is this top?

682
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: You're not in a hurry, so the conditions have to

683
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: be right. But yes, I do like shopping.

684
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I don't have that calling. I'm not sing

685
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 4: I like look good, but I do not enjoy it

686
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 4: for the.

687
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 5: Same reason you like online shopping then because of that, Yes,

688
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 5: but then sometimes you can't see the quality so well

689
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 5: and fit so well, so it's problematic.

690
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 4: But yes, I think if I if I just knew

691
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 4: like it, just knew my size and the color and shape.

692
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: Then I would definitely do online shopping.

693
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, But that being said, and then I

694
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 4: often find myself forced to shop because I'm in desperate need.

695
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 4: I need the thing, as opposed to being like, okay,

696
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 4: we're working slowly our way up, so I have to

697
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 4: work on that.

698
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: But shopping working progress, like going.

699
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 4: Through things and then and then they don't have it

700
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 4: and they don't have this side and you find something.

701
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 4: Oh it's just yeah, but I'm working on myself.

702
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: I must say.

703
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 5: I do like shopping in different spaces, So when I travel,

704
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 5: I always shop because I find like you're getting different looks,

705
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 5: you're getting different vibes, and then when I'm also seeing

706
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 5: it in my wardrobe, it gives me memories.

707
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: Right, like, oh that's I got it from South Africa.

708
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: Oh I got that, you know in London.

709
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 5: Now I got that in So I do tend to

710
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 5: shop not as much when I'm locally here in Australia,

711
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 5: only if I.

712
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 2: Really, as you said, need something, there's a gap.

713
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 5: But when I'm traveling, oh hell yes, one suitcase is

714
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 5: totally dedicated to new fitsgirls.

715
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: New fis the.

716
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: New fits for me. And I also don't like malls.

717
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: I don't like that that oh like you're in. I

718
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: like those open out it more type way.

719
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 4: It's like you go into a shop and exit and

720
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 4: leave and go home, not the ones where you have

721
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 4: to find the shop and you're just going around.

722
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: It's like a maze.

723
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 3: Yeah no no, no no, no, no no no.

724
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: But you know, we're talking about fast fashion and shopping.

725
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 5: What's your feel on designer or droops so luxury, like

726
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 5: what what's your feelings about that whole space?

727
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 3: Elitism?

728
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: But that's also like a pusher for fast fashion.

729
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 5: People want to keep up, you know, like I think

730
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 5: those sneakers that had the sock, the sock with it

731
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 5: was a sneaker and then the next day, So what

732
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 5: do you feel about that.

733
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: You know, designer Jupes.

734
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 4: I think designer dupes make it accessible to the population

735
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 4: to be like I can get it too. But then

736
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 4: it's also like creativity, like you're just plagiarizing someone's creativity, right,

737
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, we know, like

738
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 4: the cycle of fashion is like high fashion, they create

739
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 4: and design, it finds its way in a simplified for

740
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 4: it finds its way into magazines. Then it's simplified into

741
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 4: a way that well, now not even magazine and social

742
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 4: media does it for it. And then it's it's simplified

743
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 4: by fashion houses for the masses so that we can

744
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 4: feel like that, but we're not going to wear high

745
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 4: fashion things every day type of thing. So it's definitely

746
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 4: that's what trends and fashion is. I mean, do your thing,

747
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 4: if it's not making money, do your thing fashion houses. However,

748
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 4: I feel like then there's a lack of creativity. I

749
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 4: feel sometimes if you're just copy paste and copy pasting,

750
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 4: and so.

751
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 3: What where where's a creativity?

752
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 4: And we know we complain about you know, even some

753
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 4: of these luxury brands stealing ideas from like African artists

754
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 4: or you know design like from all of it, So

755
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 4: there's that.

756
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like.

757
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 5: It's not ghetto, it's ghetto when it's on a black pace.

758
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 4: Then where do you draw the line between inspiration and

759
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 4: copying like this, it's so blurry when it comes to creativity.

760
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, as for fake design, would.

761
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: You would you indulge in luxury?

762
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 4: You reckon for yourself if I had the money, I'm sure,

763
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 4: fear of God, I'm going to I'm kidding it there.

764
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, I think there's always like there's a space

765
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 3: for luxury.

766
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 4: I think, though I'm cautious about it because it breeds

767
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 4: a level of you are other and you.

768
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: Can't have elitism. We spoke about this before, so which

769
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 3: makes it tough. But I think there's nothing wrong with

770
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: having a.

771
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 4: Few pieces because if you can do it and you

772
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 4: can afford it, and I'm not you know, going to

773
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 4: bed hungry because you bought it, you know. Sure, But yeah,

774
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 4: it's complicated, it's it's complex. Then you get like fake designers, right,

775
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 4: like people who send usself knockoffs and things like that,

776
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 4: so other people can have, which I mean, I don't know,

777
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 4: how do you feel about that?

778
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 5: For instance, girl, it's such a weird space because one

779
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 5: of the things when you're styling someone is budget right,

780
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 5: so obviously that's one of the very first things. So

781
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 5: obviously if you have a client who is like, I

782
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 5: want your services, but I can only afford such and such.

783
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 5: My clothing budget is such and such, and then they

784
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 5: want lots of pieces you're not really gonna you know,

785
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 5: it's like, okay, you can either just stick to the

786
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 5: budget and get them two three good quality pieces or fifting.

787
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: The problem is you don't know what you're gonna get

788
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: when you go, which some people enjoy they never know

789
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 2: it's as a surprise.

790
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 5: But if you're doing like a stiling for someone they

791
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 5: want to you want to know that you're going to

792
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 5: be filling those gaps. Yes, So sometimes that's when shops

793
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 5: like Zara and then Nature never come in because then

794
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 5: if someone says I need a new work where wardrobe,

795
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 5: you know, and I only have whatever amount, then you think, okay,

796
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 5: let's go to Zara. We'll get different colors, we get

797
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 5: different you know, prints will get different. So then it's

798
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 5: tough because I can also understand the designer's point of

799
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 5: view that they come up with the idea e whether

800
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 5: it's stolen.

801
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 2: From someone else, for you know or whatever.

802
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 5: It's still dares for that amount of time, and then

803
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 5: to see another store.

804
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: Just get it and get it cheaper, it would be

805
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 2: a bit like you know, like.

806
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 5: I feel like they was chasing details. So it's such

807
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 5: a weird space to occupy. I feel like social media

808
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 5: has made it accessible. Before you were kids, it was

809
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 5: like more classes within the way you dress. But now

810
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 5: we're like no, everyone can have anything and everything. So

811
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 5: the other side of that where it's just overry now,

812
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 5: and like when it comes to luxury in general, there's

813
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 5: a certain space for it. Like I remember when I

814
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 5: was in Paris and I got to go to like

815
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 5: the proper houses where they put all the like swich

816
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 5: lace on wedding dresses, and you see these gounds that

817
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 5: are like forty fifty thousand and you know euros, so

818
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 5: they're like hand done and you see them really the

819
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 5: tilly is really working on it. You're like, okay, you know,

820
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 5: you see the craftsmanship, you can appreciate it, and you

821
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 5: feel the material. You can feel the difference between like

822
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 5: organza and like cheaper hipp or you know, so then

823
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 5: you realize it's an art form that it's like, yes,

824
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 5: it's a piece of clothing like the met gal of

825
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 5: examples always.

826
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: Good for them. It is classic tour pieces, you know.

827
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: So it's like there's that space too. Then we like

828
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: things we like.

829
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: And I was about to say, I ain't gonna lie.

830
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: I'm no shame of my game. I also love.

831
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: Exactly exact.

832
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's when style comes in, because that's

833
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 5: when you know when to say yes and when to

834
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 5: say no, because then that's why you're not just grabbing

835
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 5: every single thing you see, and you allow yourself to evolve,

836
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 5: but you allow yourself to also go that's not going

837
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 5: to fit with what.

838
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 4: I ready and for me, the quality of the material

839
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 4: or how they you know, so like you become more

840
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 4: away because then you're like if I wear this three times,

841
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 4: game over, like why would think about that exactly?

842
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: You know.

843
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 5: And replicas is a big thing, like you to those

844
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 5: like in China obviously they have grade ding.

845
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: Replicas. Vietnam is the same, and you think, okay, is

846
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: this okay?

847
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: You know?

848
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 2: And I think in their.

849
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 5: Culture they think, well, if I can copy it, well,

850
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 5: it's nothing wrong with that. But then it's also like

851
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 5: I wonder if I had designed something and then sometimes

852
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 5: we'll say imitations that a form of flattery.

853
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: It's just like.

854
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: There's a lot it's very.

855
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: And last but not least.

856
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 4: Let's talk about our home, our home countries, and I

857
00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 4: will let you know as ZIM style volved or bad,

858
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 4: how are we doing I have.

859
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 5: I wouldn't even say I love hate relationship, but I

860
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 5: know hate is a strong word, but I have like,

861
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 5: like on the dislike side relationship with.

862
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: ZIM fashion.

863
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 3: Tell us.

864
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: Sometimes I feel like, dude, we missed the memo, like even.

865
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: A memo before, like we were at the meeting, we

866
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: were not.

867
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, like I just and it's not even with Western clothes,

868
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 5: Like I'm not even gonna go to Western clothes, which

869
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 5: you can't do even with our own Like you know,

870
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 5: if we get proper fabrics, my zambias, they're like an

871
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 5: Outsit made the sizing.

872
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: The shid, the style, the cut, the color.

873
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 5: Sometimes it's just always just like okay, so what was

874
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 5: going on here? What was We're very into just talking

875
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 5: about droops. We're very into like like lately I've been

876
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 5: seeing a lot of people wearing Valenciaga T shirts and

877
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 5: I'm like, I know they're not of Asachi. I know

878
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 5: they're not the sach a T shirt. Stop it, just

879
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 5: get yourself a plane T shirt. It's okay, boo, it

880
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Speaker 5: ain't Gucci.

881
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: We know it ain't Gucci, so please you do like

882
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: and I think that's what we wanna. You wanna fool people.

883
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 5: But if you're not fooling nobody, I feel like you

884
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 5: no fakes really would do well in zim kind of

885
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 5: society because you just want to show wolf right, but

886
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 5: it's like it's.

887
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 4: Not necessary and then okay, can if I will touch

888
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 4: on the Western clothing mm hmm, Like Amanda said, we

889
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 4: dependent a lot, like like my parents would buyas clothes

890
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 4: when they traveled, you know, or from essay or like

891
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 4: dependent heavily on.

892
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: That Zim's love mister Price, yes, the heck.

893
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 3: But for me, I think even when people have access,

894
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 3: when they have money.

895
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 4: Now, firstly, our if you look at the game like

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00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 4: influence a game the clothes they wear, I'm like, how

897
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 4: is that influence?

898
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 3: Sorry, this is now coming? Do you know what I mean?

899
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 3: It's just yes, cated, it's so dated to dated, so

900
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 3: like I don't know.

901
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 2: I don't know aging as well, very aging.

902
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 4: I don't know where we miss the mark then they

903
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 4: have people who are have access from overseas. Then it's

904
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 4: like they just wear the whole mannequin top to bottom

905
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 4: and you're just like seriously, like it's like there's no

906
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 4: effort to bring personality, there's no effort to bring stuff.

907
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 3: It's a lot.

908
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 5: And then matching, Oh my god, I don't know who

909
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 5: told us that ye to match from their hair literally

910
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 5: like a.

911
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 3: Little hat or the hala or the hair color.

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00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 5: It's just like, Okay, I know you're like red and black,

913
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 5: but you didn't have to do it like this, like

914
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 5: everything has to match. And even if you do, like

915
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 5: a contrasting color, they'll be like, how used to cale

916
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 5: match up? It's not matching, And it's.

917
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: Like comber when.

918
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 5: I just feel like we literally missed the memo. And

919
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 5: then we play catch up when you go to these

920
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 5: different countries, and some of us land. When we do

921
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 5: the catch up, we land and we find our own

922
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 5: and some of us just stay stuck there like yeah,

923
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 5: it's a problem.

924
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 3: Never we're always lost, never found.

925
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you and I will be when you go

926
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: back home into your workshop. We need to start.

927
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 3: People were like who you why do you tell me to?

928
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 4: Yeah?

929
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: It also works in that space. And I think also

930
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: this whole notion of Sunday best and going to church

931
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: and not enough.

932
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 5: But it almost makes people feel like they save their

933
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 5: outfit for a special occasion. But I feel like it

934
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 5: just perpetuates people not really exploring their style because this

935
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 5: my outfit for church, this is my outfit for you know,

936
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 5: And it's like and then it also pushing in into

937
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 5: like people being extra conservative. Doesn't know, you know, don't

938
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 5: show this, don't show that, otherwise the man will last

939
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 5: all over you.

940
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: So it's like all those things.

941
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 3: It's just say it.

942
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: It becomes a shameful thing.

943
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 4: And I think that those older figures telling you this

944
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 4: is how you should like. Yes, but yeah, yeah, we

945
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 4: could say a lot.

946
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: I'm so happy that we got to have this episode.

947
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 5: I know some people would think it's flaff, but really

948
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 5: fashion and style are like without even saying a word,

949
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 5: people just gauge who you are, fairly or unfairly.

950
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: That's how it works.

951
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 5: So yeah, if you have any questions, any comments, any

952
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 5: any sort of tips even for us, please, or how

953
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 5: fashion is wherever you're based, let us know, because obviously

954
00:49:54,840 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 5: seasons also come into it. Winter fashion my gosh, yeah, yeah, sure,

955
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 5: for sure, I'll shout out for this episode. There is

956
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Speaker 5: obviously someone that I had kind of seen back in

957
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Speaker 5: the day then Rumby re introduced or reminded me of

958
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 5: this beautiful model.

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Speaker 3: It's Ah. She's a.

960
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 4: UK based model famously known for her campaign with Louis

961
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 4: Vaton I believe a couple of years ago, and then

962
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 4: she stepped back from the fashion industry and now she's back.

963
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 4: But yeah, she's ripping zim hard. She's flawless, gorgeous, gorgeous girl.

964
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Speaker 3: So she's on Instagram. Niasha and the Score.

965
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 4: Will link her information below. Shout out to you for

966
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 4: ripping zim hard and so beautifully. Uh, we're loving it,

967
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 4: we love love it. And I'll also shout out Miss

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Speaker 4: Amanda right here, you know who is a stylist in

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00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 4: her own right, So you can find her on Instagram.

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00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 3: I dot am dot whom dot I dot am, I

971
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 3: am who am whom I am?

972
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 4: You can see the link in our Instagram now it's

973
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 4: layered Instagram bio. She's there for if you need to

974
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 4: revaent the wardrobe or just need help or you need

975
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 4: some tips, like she's she's the girl and what I

976
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 4: love is She's very much about style for you as

977
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 4: a person. She's not trying to impose any other she

978
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 4: wants to get to know you, understand you, who you

979
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 4: want to be or what you're trying to do, and

980
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 4: styles you accordingly.

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00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 2: Though, thank you Roomby. I'm so humble and I wasn't

982
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 2: expecting that fine will like this.

983
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 3: No, no, thank you so much. Yeah, but thank you

984
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 3: so much.

985
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 4: Hit us up on our Instagram it's layered, or email

986
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 4: us details will be up.

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00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 3: We love y'all so much. Thank you for writing with us.

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Speaker 4: Amanda is always a street a pleasure and we'll see

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00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 4: you next time.

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00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 3: Take care bye, guy By.

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Speaker 2: Careful love those a.

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Speaker 4: Little well.

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Speaker 3: Use your