WEBVTT - SPANKIE JACKZON TALKS THIS WEEK'S FINALE OF RUPAUL'S...

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the news today, but it was actually on

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<v Speaker 1>TV Reload the podcast last week. They're life.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to TV Reload. My name is Benjamin Norris,

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<v Speaker 2>and on this podcast I will go behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 2>with the biggest players in television. Each episode you will

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<v Speaker 2>get a front row seat with content makers like executive producers, writers, editors,

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<v Speaker 2>and casting agents, plus the talent that we see on

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<v Speaker 2>our screen. TV Reload reloads the shows that you are

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<v Speaker 2>currently watching and gives you a better insight into our

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<v Speaker 2>television industry and our streaming services. This week on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>I have the top three queens from RuPaul's Drag Race

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<v Speaker 2>down Under season two, and on today's episode, I will

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully give the fans a better insight into Spanky Jackson's

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<v Speaker 2>resume and help you answer that question. Is Spanky our

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<v Speaker 2>winner of the second series of down Under? This Saturday

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<v Speaker 2>is already the finale, and while the series has been

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<v Speaker 2>a wild ride, I think the finale is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be an excellent celebration of three very popular queens who

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<v Speaker 2>truly deserve to be there. Spanky Jackson wears that thirty

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<v Speaker 2>seven years of age with pride already winning TV and

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<v Speaker 2>Z plus's reality series House of Drag and declaring coming

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<v Speaker 2>of age in Palmerston North has toughened her up for

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<v Speaker 2>the cutthroat competition of Rupeaul's which may be true. With

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<v Speaker 2>the wisdom, empathy and honesty that we've seen from this

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<v Speaker 2>popular queen, Spanky took us on a journey that no

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<v Speaker 2>one could really have predicted at the start of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>But as we approach the finale, I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>that growth throughout the series that has won over fans

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<v Speaker 2>around the world. We will talk reality TV stratt and

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<v Speaker 2>if she entered the show with a plan, how she

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<v Speaker 2>joined the drama without being the drama, who should be

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<v Speaker 2>Miss Congeniality, and we will tackle the shady or Lady game,

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<v Speaker 2>which includes Spanky's pick for this year's winner. However, let's

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<v Speaker 2>get started with today's guest. I'd like to welcome Spanky

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson from Pauls Drag Raced down Under Season two to

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<v Speaker 2>TV Reload.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really stoked to be standing here with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>two incredible entertainers. Spanky Jackson with a ZI Have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever been that girl before? It's a shame that she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get to make it there because she is so hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's move on down to miss Jackson.

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<v Speaker 1>Spanky. If you're nasty, have you met polished from the beginning?

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<v Speaker 1>Then this I We're for you to go, Spanky Jackson,

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<v Speaker 1>chante yu stay. Melbourne has some of the best drake

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<v Speaker 1>talon in Australia. It really does.

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<v Speaker 2>Which queen will be crowned down under next drag superstarke?

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<v Speaker 1>You know those girls helped me as well. You know

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<v Speaker 1>we all helped each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi there, Spanky Jackson, how the hell are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Good? How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Mabe? I'm really excited to be able to have this chat.

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<v Speaker 2>We were just talking about this offline. I have actually

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<v Speaker 2>met you in person, and so it turns out I've

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<v Speaker 2>been a fan of you for a lot longer than

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<v Speaker 2>I realized.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that was a long time ago to

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<v Speaker 1>babes and yeah when I used to host and St

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<v Speaker 1>Kilda like in Melbourne back in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Day, many moons ago, so long ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I was really thin then as well, so now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a tank now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think you look fabulous and you should not change.

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<v Speaker 1>So they very much. I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>Congrangulations on making it to the top three. You really

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<v Speaker 2>are the surprise of this series, and I mean that

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<v Speaker 2>in the nicest way possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, thank you so much. I mean I even surprised

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<v Speaker 1>myself to be fair. So yeah, it's everything I could

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<v Speaker 1>have asked for and more so, I'm really stoked to

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<v Speaker 1>be standing here with you, two incredible entertainers and friends

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<v Speaker 1>and sisters. So we're happy to be standing here together.

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<v Speaker 1>And no matter what happens, I'm happy for whoever takes

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<v Speaker 1>it out and just proud to have made it to

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<v Speaker 1>the end.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're glad that you put together your little audition

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<v Speaker 2>video and send it off to the people, because this

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<v Speaker 2>is where you are now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like, it was a lot of work too. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I just thought, why not chuck my hat in

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<v Speaker 1>the ring, and it just kind of all worked out.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, I would love to see the audition videos, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that would be amazing for so many people.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've got no desire to go on Rupol's

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<v Speaker 2>drag race, but I know lots of people who would

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<v Speaker 2>love to do it, and I think that they would

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<v Speaker 2>all get a real kick out of it to see,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what the producer saw.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, it was a lot of work and

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<v Speaker 1>they you know, it's a bit of everything as well.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's not just hey my name is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. It really is about showing you know

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<v Speaker 1>what you have in the bucket and you know what

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<v Speaker 1>you can do and can you actually achieve those challenges.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a lot of work. But yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun to make, and yeah I had

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<v Speaker 1>a blast, And yeah, I think it would be great

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<v Speaker 1>if we could like share those at some point because

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<v Speaker 1>I think people would get a bloody good laugh out

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<v Speaker 1>of them too. I would love to see the other

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<v Speaker 1>girls as well, Like I think they would be really

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<v Speaker 1>like interesting for me too. I'd love to.

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<v Speaker 2>See them like one of those reunion episodes you know

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes they do those on rupouls they get everyone together

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<v Speaker 2>and if Roopol's not available to do it, you can

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<v Speaker 2>host it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh great, I'm there, bass, and I do have to

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<v Speaker 1>wear pants.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't wear pants? It's on brand.

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<v Speaker 1>No good good.

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<v Speaker 2>You were able to see both sides in many situations

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<v Speaker 2>and offer everyone one thousand percent friendship is what I

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<v Speaker 2>was calling. And was that a part of your game

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<v Speaker 2>plan or is that just who you are?

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<v Speaker 1>No, absolutely not. It's just how I am and I've

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<v Speaker 1>worked in childcare for the last I know that sounds

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<v Speaker 1>terrible to say, like, oh, these are like children, but

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<v Speaker 1>I've worked in childcare for like the last eight years,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, running a facility. I think that there

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<v Speaker 1>is that maternal instinct has just kind of really taken

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<v Speaker 1>over in my thirties, I suppose. And the thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like there's enough pricks in the world without me

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<v Speaker 1>having to be one. And it's like, you know, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>needs advice at times, and I just happen to be

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<v Speaker 1>that person. It's just a way I am. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>help it. Like, you know, if somebody's feeling down, even

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't like them or you've had a bad

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<v Speaker 1>day with them, it's like I'm still going to you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to see somebody up see it, or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of advice goes a long way. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, you know, people have done that for me

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<v Speaker 1>over my life, and I wouldn't have achieved the things

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<v Speaker 1>I have if it wasn't for those people. So why

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<v Speaker 1>not you know, pass some of the good that I've

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<v Speaker 1>received on you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, alrighty, so you just have to tell me who

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<v Speaker 2>are easier to manage children or drag queens.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely. Children let me think they won't. They will.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll talk back to you, but eventually you'll get it done,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas drag queens will just throw something at you. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's a bit different.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the language can be a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and that you know only because the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know all those words yet, you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>to be fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I mean kids will give you a run for

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<v Speaker 1>it as well, so yeah, they can hurt your feelings.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting because I I've been asking everyone of you're

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<v Speaker 2>happy with your edit? Now I already know the answer

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<v Speaker 2>from you that you would be so happy with this?

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<v Speaker 2>Will you say? I think I don't know? How did

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<v Speaker 2>you feel watching the show back and watching how you

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<v Speaker 2>were coming across.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one hundred percent me, like it really is. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was very kind to be fair by watching

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<v Speaker 1>A back. I'm just really proud to a I think

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<v Speaker 1>in life you go through all of the ups and downs.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean, and you you learn along the way.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, like most people, I've fucked up a lot

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<v Speaker 1>in my life. So it's I think for me watching

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<v Speaker 1>it back, it's a reflection on how far I've come

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<v Speaker 1>and how proud I am of where I've you know,

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<v Speaker 1>managed to get myself as a person, not you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not as a drag queen or on a show or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that. It's you know, as an adult. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've come a bloody long way, and I'm pretty proud

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<v Speaker 1>of the person that I've become. And but that's also

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<v Speaker 1>a reflection of the people that I have that's surround

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like my mom and dad the most amazing

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<v Speaker 1>and credible. Like my dad is like the comedian, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, He's a absolute star in his

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<v Speaker 1>own right. He's a singer and you know, all of

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff. And and my mom is definitely

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<v Speaker 1>you know where my heart and soul comes from. And

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<v Speaker 1>the love and the maternal you know, that's her. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody knows who it's rocky, and that's very much my

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<v Speaker 1>genetic makeup has come from them, even if I am adopted,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so to watch it back and see it,

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<v Speaker 1>it really is a reflection of them and my friends

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<v Speaker 1>and the people that have you know, supported me along

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<v Speaker 1>the way and helped me grow.

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<v Speaker 2>I also loved that, you know, even if people were

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<v Speaker 2>being a bit of a shit, like there was one

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<v Speaker 2>moment where Beverly Kills had sort of dug her own

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<v Speaker 2>grave and was you know, really should just jumped in

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<v Speaker 2>and bury herself, and ye, you kind of would appear.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very hard to be in reality television and be

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<v Speaker 2>the person that's in the drama but is not the drama.

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<v Speaker 2>But you would always just.

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<v Speaker 1>Appear Yeah, very bad. Yeah, because the thing is, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not my drama, Like it's not. And the thing

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<v Speaker 1>is is I think that too many people too often

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<v Speaker 1>either get involved in the drama and the thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not my drama, it's got nothing to do with me.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, I can offer you both

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<v Speaker 1>a little advice, And it's really about perspective really, it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, look at it from a different angle. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>understand that this is what she's saying or the saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I do. I'm very lucky to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to see both sides of most arguments, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>could argue both sides, So I do have a knack

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<v Speaker 1>for being able to see it from each other's perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and be able to then relay that and

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<v Speaker 1>so well, actually this is what they were saying. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not the way that it was said. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>is the message, and this is what you should take

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<v Speaker 1>away from it, not how it was said to you,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was said with emotion. But if you striple

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<v Speaker 1>that crap bag and actually look at what was said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's actually not as bad as you think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a real superpower, Like it's a real

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<v Speaker 2>it's your marvel superpower, which you know, to be able to.

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<v Speaker 1>My friends would disagree with that. They would say, it's

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<v Speaker 1>my band screen. But you know that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>What does it mean to you to have made it

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<v Speaker 2>to the finale?

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty overwhelming and pretty incredible. I'm really proud of myself.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I may not have the best looks

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<v Speaker 1>and I may not be as polished as what the

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<v Speaker 1>expectation has become. That's when you look at some of

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<v Speaker 1>the world's most famous dread queens, you know, even RuPaul,

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you go back to when she started Babe,

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<v Speaker 1>she was rough as well. So it's like when you

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<v Speaker 1>look at the day Menner's and the Lily Savages and

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<v Speaker 1>that these are like all rough, like the actual people

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<v Speaker 1>and characters, you know, the personalities. So I may not

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<v Speaker 1>have all of that, but I definitely have enough talent

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<v Speaker 1>in the bag to be able to, you know, entertain people,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's exactly what I aim to do. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>about the look, you know, so it's good for me.

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<v Speaker 2>All of my favorite drag queens have the worst aesthetic

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<v Speaker 2>to start with, you know, you know, drag bingo, no

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<v Speaker 2>granny bingo in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>They are so funny. Carmena is one of the funniest

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<v Speaker 2>people I've ever met in my entire life. But even

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<v Speaker 2>their drag go back and look at their original photos.

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<v Speaker 2>Man alive. Did they look terrible? Yeah, but it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the journey that you need to go on to

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<v Speaker 2>really understand it, and it's.

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<v Speaker 1>All part of their process of like understanding you know,

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<v Speaker 1>who are you as a drag queen. I mean it

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't changed. I mean from when we met, Like, it

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't changed, not at all. It's you know, maybe my

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<v Speaker 1>stomach has, but that's literally the only different.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just jump in there. I was a little

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<v Speaker 2>annoyed that Michelle Visage was like, you know, Spanky, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do the wrong quote and I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to impersonate Michelle Visage, but you know, she was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to push you into wearing better makeup and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that, and I was like no, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. Yeah. It was nice to see and you

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<v Speaker 2>did evolve with that, and it was great to see

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<v Speaker 2>you putting on, you know, the nice makeup and looking

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<v Speaker 2>at it sexier. But I still loved the little bit

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<v Speaker 2>sh shabby version of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the thing is is like, I don't look

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<v Speaker 1>at myself as said, I'm actually crep, Like I'm not crep,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm actually not rough. I think when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the time constraints and things like that, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>am going to come off rough because my process is

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<v Speaker 1>completely different on the outside world, you know, where I

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<v Speaker 1>can allow two and a half hours to sit and

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy the process and then you don't have that luxury.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, going into it as well, I knew

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<v Speaker 1>what my weaknesses were and I knew what my critiques

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<v Speaker 1>were going to be, so I was prepared for that.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know that's that's when you have to have

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<v Speaker 1>a real hard look at yourself and go, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>know what they're going to say, so be prepared for it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know they didn't really kind of show those

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<v Speaker 1>critiques because it was constant. You know, there were a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of those, and I did every week give them

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what they wanted, so, you know, there was part

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<v Speaker 1>of it. And it is a show, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a competition and there has to be some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>growth or transformation in it as well. You know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>why we're there, and it is one of those experiences

0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:12.760
<v Speaker 1>we can learn a lot. So I just tried to

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<v Speaker 1>suck it up like a sponge, and you did. I mean,

0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm a big sponge.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's only so many minutes in a RuPaul's Drag

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<v Speaker 2>Race episode for you to suck up all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I tried.

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<v Speaker 2>What about interestingly enough, you know, asking this question to

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<v Speaker 2>Kong and Hannah about who they thought was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the top three? They were both had said

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<v Speaker 2>that they didn't see you there, but so happy that

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<v Speaker 2>it is you. What about for you? When the competition

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<v Speaker 2>first started, who did you think was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>in the final three?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I knew Hannah was definitely going to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>There was absolutely no doubt in my mind. She was

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<v Speaker 1>definitely going to be one of my biggest competitions.

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<v Speaker 2>Queen.

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<v Speaker 1>I had really heard of Queen before the show, so

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have the expectation. And then as Queen kind

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<v Speaker 1>of got I mean, she wasn't she didn't really give

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<v Speaker 1>what she was wanting to give either, So I did

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<v Speaker 1>possibly see Many there too. I didn't see her making

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<v Speaker 1>it to the end, but unfortunately that just didn't happen

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<v Speaker 1>for her.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought Many from the first episode was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the top three. I just was like, Mini

0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Coop was so funny in that first episode. But then

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<v Speaker 2>I watch reality TV differently. I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 2>because I've been in it, but I just could see

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<v Speaker 2>between the lines that she was kind of her own

0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:30.000
<v Speaker 2>undoing in a weird way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Was really sad to see because she could have easily

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<v Speaker 2>won it, oh one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think the thing is is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all different for everybody, and I think everybody has

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<v Speaker 1>this expectation or this vision of how it's going to be,

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<v Speaker 1>and then sometimes when you get there and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>the same, that's what throws you off because you're like, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't prepared for this, and it's the emotional toll,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's exhausting, Like you know, you're on the go.

0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.880
<v Speaker 1>You understand it's you're on the go all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have to keep going like this is part

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<v Speaker 1>of the process. You don't have time to just give up.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the other thing is is your own expectations

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<v Speaker 1>of yourself too, and then when you don't meet them,

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<v Speaker 1>that's when you start to go. You know, you start

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<v Speaker 1>to spiral inside because you're like, oh, actually, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>doing as good as I know I am. Why am

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<v Speaker 1>I doing this? Why is this happening to me? So

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<v Speaker 1>it's all of those kind of things. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I absolutely love an Adornmedy and she's an absolutely Australian icon,

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<v Speaker 1>Like she's a drag legend. It's a shame that she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get to make it there because she is so

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<v Speaker 1>hilarious and so quick. That's never going to change for her.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, she is an icon. So it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a shame she didn't get to get there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go and see her. She's on my

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<v Speaker 2>list of the queens this season and I have to

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<v Speaker 2>have to have to go and see in a live

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<v Speaker 2>drag show immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>So oh brilliant so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you mean to forget your pants on the first episode?

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<v Speaker 2>As I have this theory because it's obviously garbage, this theory,

0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:58.080
<v Speaker 2>but I feel like you'll enjoy it. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe Spanky jack And on purpose didn't finish her outfit

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<v Speaker 2>that day so she could take us on a journey

0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.360
<v Speaker 2>throughout the series, so it only would show how big

0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.360
<v Speaker 2>she got by the end of it. Or did you

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<v Speaker 2>just forget your pants? I mean, I mean, come on,

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<v Speaker 2>tell me the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yees to no, yes, and no. I did have a

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<v Speaker 1>plan going into it where it was like I knew what,

0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, the expectations of me were going to be

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<v Speaker 1>in that instance, I just ran out of time to

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<v Speaker 1>be fair, to make a bottom for it, and in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind, I was like, oh, yeah, this totally works.

0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.440
<v Speaker 1>It totally works, it's no problems. Looking at it on

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<v Speaker 1>the run way, I was like, oh, that's so didn't work.

0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:40.880
<v Speaker 1>But it was so good that it was like it

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<v Speaker 1>was still Spanky Jackson, especially with the bum out beer

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<v Speaker 1>bum national television. I mean, my mom and dad were

0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:54.160
<v Speaker 1>just super proud and yeah, I mean it was yeah. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it was definitely a time issue and just not enough time,

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<v Speaker 1>but still super stoked because it's very speaker Jackson.

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<v Speaker 2>So but also maybe it did lean into the idea,

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<v Speaker 2>like your idea of going into the show to maybe

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<v Speaker 2>start a little bit small so that you could take

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<v Speaker 2>us on a journey.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was that, Okay, you have to have some

0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:17.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, element of growth, Like I feel like that's

0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.320
<v Speaker 1>always something that people want to see. And like I said,

0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm not the most polished queen. I'm not

0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:27.480
<v Speaker 1>the expectation of what a rue girl is. And so

0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:31.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, however, bloody many seasons we've seen you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the expectation. You know, they want you to

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<v Speaker 1>be this polish, they want you to be this But

0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.119
<v Speaker 1>if you're that polished from the beginning, then there's no

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<v Speaker 1>we're for you to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Being the older queen, you're able to sort of teach

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<v Speaker 2>people a lot, but you also seem to learn a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>What was the biggest take home from your journey on

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<v Speaker 2>the show.

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<v Speaker 1>My biggest take home was just kind of like I think,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the critiques and stuff from you know, RuPaul

0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.480
<v Speaker 1>and hearing it from somebody that has done this. You

0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.199
<v Speaker 1>can't get any bigger than her, So it's you know,

0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.080
<v Speaker 1>she's turned it into coin. So I think one of

0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.320
<v Speaker 1>the biggest takeaways was just like that I'm kind of

0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.800
<v Speaker 1>perfect the way I am, and not to like to

0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.840
<v Speaker 1>worry about that and to just carry on delivering Spanky

0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:18.119
<v Speaker 1>Jackson because she's definitely just perfectly fine the way she is.

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<v Speaker 1>But if anything, I mean, it's just you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more finishing. It's about the finishing of the outfit.

0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, the details there, you know, even my makeup

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<v Speaker 1>to a certain extent, Like I learned a lot from

0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:30.439
<v Speaker 1>Queen and Hannah as well, you know about finishing and

0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Queen with hair, and you know those girls helped me

0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:35.879
<v Speaker 1>as well. You know, we all helped each other. So

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I hope they learned something from me. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's probably just not to wear pants, but like

0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.120
<v Speaker 1>maybe they took something away from me too, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, definitely just the finishing, you know, and it

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<v Speaker 1>does matter, It does matter.

0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:50.440
<v Speaker 2>I think they did. But I think we all did.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we all walked away learning something from Spanky Jackson.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I hope something.

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<v Speaker 2>You might have easily been the front runner for Miss Congeniality.

0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:01.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, can you still be misconji if you don't.

0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:03.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who that works, but does that work?

0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:05.720
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, who do you think could be Miss

0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:07.080
<v Speaker 2>congeniality of the season.

0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.840
<v Speaker 1>But it's hands down Hannah. Like it's Hannah. That girl

0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:18.119
<v Speaker 1>is just the kindest, funniest, most hilarious person. And she

0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.600
<v Speaker 1>may not have got that edit. Like to be fair,

0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a little bit more heart that she

0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:27.800
<v Speaker 1>could have been shown of Hannah, but she is by

0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:31.520
<v Speaker 1>far miss congeniality. It's not It's definitely not me. I

0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:33.439
<v Speaker 1>think people just see me for the laugh and you know,

0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:35.960
<v Speaker 1>and the kindness and stuff. But you know, that girl

0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:39.320
<v Speaker 1>there is has absolutely I mean, both those girls have

0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:42.280
<v Speaker 1>my heart. But she would definitely be Miss congeniality for me.

0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:46.400
<v Speaker 1>We had each other in hysterics. We even got separated

0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:49.840
<v Speaker 1>at times because we were just too hysterically laughing.

0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:53.040
<v Speaker 2>So you sit on that side, you sit on.

0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Literally like literally its room. So but yeah, she's just

0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.440
<v Speaker 1>so kind and lovely, So yeah, they would be my pope.

0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:03.800
<v Speaker 2>I also loved how many times you broke the fourth

0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.480
<v Speaker 2>wall of RuPaul and it had never been seen in

0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.560
<v Speaker 2>any other season. And there's been a season in Antarctica,

0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:12.280
<v Speaker 2>so there's been a lot of seasons, but you know,

0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:18.119
<v Speaker 2>you would always hear you laughing in the background, and

0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.240
<v Speaker 2>it was like you must have pulled your chair up,

0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:23.399
<v Speaker 2>like you're watching RuPaul's in RuPaul's like you're goggle boxing

0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.280
<v Speaker 2>the goggle boxes like something that RuPaul would be laughing,

0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:28.560
<v Speaker 2>and you'd normally hear that in other seasons, but then

0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.280
<v Speaker 2>now in RuPaul's Drag Race down Under season two, in

0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:38.320
<v Speaker 2>the background, Spanky Jackson's yeah, I can't do it, but

0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:40.040
<v Speaker 2>you did it on que You did it on que

0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:42.399
<v Speaker 2>But I just loved you could always hear you laughing

0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:44.800
<v Speaker 2>in the background supporting the other queens, which.

0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's completely genuine. It's like, yes, we're in

0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.159
<v Speaker 1>a competition, but it doesn't mean that I need to

0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:52.000
<v Speaker 1>be a pro and it doesn't mean that I need

0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:53.679
<v Speaker 1>to be in a you know, like that I need

0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:55.840
<v Speaker 1>to be an asshole to when or you know, to

0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:58.280
<v Speaker 1>get further or anything like that. It's like, we can

0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:00.679
<v Speaker 1>actually do this and be nice people and you know,

0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:05.000
<v Speaker 1>support and you know critique, and that's what it's all about.

0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Like that's what Dragon Sisterhood's about. You know, your sisters

0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:10.399
<v Speaker 1>are going to lift you up when you're down and

0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:13.119
<v Speaker 1>tell you that you look hideous, because that just helps

0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.160
<v Speaker 1>you improve. And you know, it's all about those moments.

0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:19.159
<v Speaker 1>So it's yeah, And of course I just love to

0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:22.000
<v Speaker 1>laugh my way through life, even if it was really depressing.

0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I just crack up laugh even when they read me

0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:27.359
<v Speaker 1>like I found it hysterical. It's not just like, I

0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:30.400
<v Speaker 1>really don't care what you have to say. Thank you,

0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:33.760
<v Speaker 1>thank you for telling me. Preciate it. I think I'm

0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:37.040
<v Speaker 1>old enough now to realize, you know, say what you're

0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:38.679
<v Speaker 1>going to say, Babs, I don't really care. It's not

0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:39.679
<v Speaker 1>going to pick my feeling.

0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:41.320
<v Speaker 2>It's a good way to be though. I think you

0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:43.240
<v Speaker 2>can when you can laugh stuff off, you know. I

0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:45.879
<v Speaker 2>think it's the best lesson to learn to get to

0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:48.240
<v Speaker 2>the point where you can laugh at yourself and allow

0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:51.080
<v Speaker 2>yourself to laugh with others like and that takes a

0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:53.919
<v Speaker 2>very long time, and that takes a very confident person.

0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.960
<v Speaker 2>So take somebody who's living their life, has lived their life.

0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Once you learn that you can laugh at yourself and

0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:02.919
<v Speaker 1>and you know, it's totally fine and.

0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:04.800
<v Speaker 2>Still gravy after that is what I say.

0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:08.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, once you can laugh at your own misfortunes

0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:10.359
<v Speaker 1>and like, how much of a loser. You could be

0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:13.800
<v Speaker 1>there's nowhere else that anybody can hurt. There really isn't,

0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:15.879
<v Speaker 1>because it's like I've already done it to myself. So

0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:18.200
<v Speaker 1>if i can laugh at myself, then I'm good.

0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:22.199
<v Speaker 2>You know, you're a very good queen to ask this

0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:25.239
<v Speaker 2>question too. Looking at the mix of Australian and New

0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:28.280
<v Speaker 2>Zealand queens, what would you say is the biggest difference

0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:32.040
<v Speaker 2>between the drag queens that are in Australia versus New Zealand.

0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:36.240
<v Speaker 1>I think New Zealand queens have a lot more realness

0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:40.159
<v Speaker 1>to them. There's a down to earth quality about New

0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Zealand queens and there's an artistic quality where we have

0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:45.919
<v Speaker 1>a point of view that's just slightly different from the

0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Australian drag queens, where it's a little bit more friendly.

0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:54.640
<v Speaker 1>I suppose you could say that and maybe not as polished,

0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:59.080
<v Speaker 1>but I mean, look at your absolutely incredible and we're

0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:02.280
<v Speaker 1>engine that's not even a word, but it is now

0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:06.800
<v Speaker 1>it is today our ingenuity and I think that there

0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:09.280
<v Speaker 1>is the massive difference. Like New Zealand as a whole

0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:14.199
<v Speaker 1>as people, we are very creative, do think outside the box,

0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:17.760
<v Speaker 1>and we don't give you what you expect or we

0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:19.920
<v Speaker 1>do look at things from a different angle and I

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.120
<v Speaker 1>think that there comes across in our drag as well.

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:24.880
<v Speaker 1>It's like and it's very same with the Australians. You know,

0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:28.480
<v Speaker 1>the humor is different, you know where and even you

0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:31.200
<v Speaker 1>know looks wise, we're all very different. I mean we're

0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:34.720
<v Speaker 1>still same, you know, we're similar, but we're not quite

0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:35.240
<v Speaker 1>the same.

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.199
<v Speaker 2>I can see the difference, like absolutely agree with everything

0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:41.000
<v Speaker 2>you just said. Absolutely all yeah, you can definitely see it.

0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:43.680
<v Speaker 2>And I think in way RuPaul's drag Race down Under

0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:45.800
<v Speaker 2>has put a put New Zealand Queens on the map

0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:48.040
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more. I do think, you know, it

0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:49.920
<v Speaker 2>would be nice like we had a lot. I think

0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:52.280
<v Speaker 2>we have more New Zealand Queens in this series this year.

0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:55.600
<v Speaker 1>To be fair, like quite a few either half or half,

0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:57.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, like some are you know, like Pomara is

0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:01.480
<v Speaker 1>multi Aboriginal or you know like Uri being Maori or

0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:04.760
<v Speaker 1>you know Queen being from South Auckland but representing for Adelaide.

0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:07.639
<v Speaker 1>Same thing with me. It's like I still consider myself

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 1>part of Australia as well. It's like I wouldn't be

0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:11.720
<v Speaker 1>the same drag Queen today if it wasn't for my

0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:13.959
<v Speaker 1>time in Melbourne and the drag queens and the legends

0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:15.520
<v Speaker 1>and the icons that work here. You know.

0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:18.280
<v Speaker 2>So are there any Melbourne queens that you think need

0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:20.440
<v Speaker 2>to be on the show? Like, is who from Melbourne

0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:23.159
<v Speaker 2>that you worked with that you're like a surprise that

0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:25.159
<v Speaker 2>we haven't seen in the first and second season.

0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:31.000
<v Speaker 1>That's such a hard question because there's so many different

0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:35.439
<v Speaker 1>variations of Drag and Melbourne, and I think it just

0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:38.360
<v Speaker 1>comes down to every season is different and it's it's

0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:40.920
<v Speaker 1>what's best for the season and who would be great?

0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:44.240
<v Speaker 1>But I see, I would have loved May she rest

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.800
<v Speaker 1>in peace, But I would have loved to have seen

0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:51.919
<v Speaker 1>somebody like Miss Candy in there, or you know, like Paris,

0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:57.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, the older the fucking legends of drag. There's

0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:00.399
<v Speaker 1>lots of baby queens, but there are some brilliant queens

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 1>like Amina Ja Lura as fabulous you know, Daytona. There's

0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:09.479
<v Speaker 1>some fabulous performers here. So there's a plethora there, really is.

0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Melbourne has some of the best drag talent in Australia.

0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:14.320
<v Speaker 1>It really does. I mean, I don't think it kind

0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:16.640
<v Speaker 1>of gives the credit that it deserves to be fair.

0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:18.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's always kind of about Sydney queens, but

0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:23.720
<v Speaker 1>I agree, Yeah, there's so many talented queens here and

0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:27.359
<v Speaker 1>diverse because then you start getting into the club kids

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:31.800
<v Speaker 1>and the alternative queens and there's so many different versions

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:34.520
<v Speaker 1>of that. So that's what I missed the most about

0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 1>Melbourne is it's such a melting pot of inspiration because

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I am inspired by all drag and Okay, it may

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:43.760
<v Speaker 1>not be for me, but at the same time, I'm

0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:46.720
<v Speaker 1>totally it's like uri, It's like, to me, I would

0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:50.920
<v Speaker 1>never look like that, but the eye candy and the

0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:53.720
<v Speaker 1>inspiration that it makes me feel inside is like I'm

0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:57.639
<v Speaker 1>just absolutely gagged every time I see him, And to me,

0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:00.879
<v Speaker 1>that makes me froth inside because I'm just like, that's

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:05.719
<v Speaker 1>so interesting and who in their mind like came up

0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:07.040
<v Speaker 1>with that? Do you know what I mean? Like, how

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>did you go? You know what? I want to be

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 1>a drag queen, but I want to look like this,

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:12.760
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? So I think that that's

0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:14.720
<v Speaker 1>what's really great about Melbourne. Yeah.

0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, you gave me the juiciest answer on that, because

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I was keen to know because I'm from Melbourne. So

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 2>it's a little bit me centric. I'm sorry, but you know,

0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:27.639
<v Speaker 2>I just was curious to know what people what's someone

0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 2>from your perspective of working here and working in New Zealand,

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:33.880
<v Speaker 2>you know what, because to me, I'm like, there's so many,

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Like there's the Frock Hudson's, but there was also the

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Dolly Diamonds.

0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:39.399
<v Speaker 1>And then there's so many.

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:42.080
<v Speaker 2>But then also where does Millie Minogue fit into all

0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 2>of that?

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:45.919
<v Speaker 1>That's it? And then you've got Melly as well, Like

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:49.399
<v Speaker 1>there's so many icons on legids here that should you know,

0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:53.000
<v Speaker 1>be given that platform to show themselves too, because and

0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:55.160
<v Speaker 1>that that's what I'm glad about, is like, Okay, I'm

0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:58.040
<v Speaker 1>only thirty seven and I keep getting called an older queen.

0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 1>But it's like it would be really nice to have,

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:03.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, not just you know the twenty one year

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 1>olds like flinging their blonde hair around, you know, hikircking

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>into whirling. It'd be nice to see the girls who

0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:13.120
<v Speaker 1>actually have done it and pave the way for us

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>to be standing here really get to show their chops

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 1>because they're actually an incredible talented bunch and they really

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:24.879
<v Speaker 1>do deserve a space and their time, you know, the

0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 1>time isn't up. We're not dead yet, so you know, hello.

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 2>My favorite drag queens are all the old ones anyway.

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 2>But I grew up in Melbourne, so I grew up

0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:37.480
<v Speaker 2>with parisat.

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Hanging It, you know, like Candy, I mean not a legend.

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:43.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean I was so gutted and saddened to hear

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 1>of her passing because she was she you know, when

0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:51.480
<v Speaker 1>we want to talk about spanky systhetic, it's like Candy

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:56.359
<v Speaker 1>is definitely on the same page, and she's an icon,

0:27:56.520 --> 0:28:02.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, absolute Australian icon, and that that was who

0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:05.639
<v Speaker 1>my inspiration, you know, she was part of that. I

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:10.920
<v Speaker 1>look at Candy just just hysterical, you know, trashy, fun,

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:14.920
<v Speaker 1>not what you expected, but just a lovable person as well.

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:17.919
<v Speaker 1>So you know I look at people like that too. Well.

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad it's a bit of a bit of a tribute,

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.680
<v Speaker 2>I actually think, because I've been asking everyone about Reece.

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Nicholson does a great job. But it looks like there's

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.639
<v Speaker 2>like an extra space on that panel. I feel like

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:31.640
<v Speaker 2>we could get another queer representation on that panel that's

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:36.480
<v Speaker 2>from New Zealand or Australia, you know, Australia, who do

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:38.480
<v Speaker 2>you think could fit in there. I think Millie Minogue

0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 2>would be good because I can't see meally competing in

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 2>the competition, but I feel like she represents a lot.

0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Who do you think we could put on the panel

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 2>with Rhys Nicholson?

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't know. That's such a difficult question. I mean,

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 1>I would like to see somebody like Jamay, like somebody

0:28:56.080 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 1>very like iconically Australian, But there's there's too many options there, mate, Like,

0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 1>that's such a hard question because how do you narrow

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 1>it down to just one person to add? You know,

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 1>there's two many people that would be great up there.

0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:11.720
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I mean, and I think, to be fair,

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Reese is doing a bloody good job and he's such

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>he is the GC like, he's such a good guy

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 1>and so bloody funny as well. So I think everybody

0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 1>in the in the beginning kind of was like, you know,

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that was the right choice, but

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 1>he's so good on there, and he's such a lovely guy,

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think it would be even the same

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 1>without him, to be fair, So I'm not sure who

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 1>you'd put in it.

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 2>I was for this podcast, I ask everyone this game

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 2>where I'm like, give me something from behind the scenes,

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 2>but we're not doing that because we can't go behind

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 2>the scenes of Rup Paul's and ruin some of the magic.

0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 2>So instead of just being playing this game shady or lady,

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:55.080
<v Speaker 2>and I've been absolutely terrible at introducing this game. So basically,

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna ask you a few questions. You can say

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:00.480
<v Speaker 2>lady if you don't feel like you want answer the

0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:02.720
<v Speaker 2>question because you don't want to be shady. Have I

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 2>explained that I think I've done this, well, okay, okay,

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 2>we'll try. We'll try. So I'm just gonna ask you

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>a series of questions and basically you'll just give me

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 2>shady answers, because who's gonna say lady? I think Kole

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 2>is the only person who said lady to one of

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:15.840
<v Speaker 2>the questions.

0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Of course, of course, Okay.

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Who was the most talented queen for twenty twenty two?

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh me, okay give me that. I have to say

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 2>this to every single one of you, every single one

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:36.000
<v Speaker 2>of you. No, don't say that. Everyone says me me

0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 2>like good, Um, it has to be Yuri. Okay, great Uri?

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely incredible. And the fact that he made everything

0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 1>himself is just unbelievable.

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:54.400
<v Speaker 2>I kept watching the YouTube clip of him in the

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:58.760
<v Speaker 2>green dress, you know, when everyone got revealed. Yeah, oh no,

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:01.720
<v Speaker 2>it's not the Primantis. It's like the first YouTube clip

0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 2>where you all spoke to the.

0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Camera, Oh yes, yep, yep, yeah.

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 2>And that dresses and you can see the tattoo, and

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I just it just looks very sexy

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 2>at the same time as being from another planet.

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:17.479
<v Speaker 1>Super talented. And that's what I love about is esthetic,

0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:20.640
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. It's like it's not you

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:23.200
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen it before. You could kind of compare it

0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 1>to like the tricksy kind of the cut of the

0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 1>cheek and stuff like that. Yeah whatever, But she sits

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 1>in a league of her own, and I love that.

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's almost a caricature of how somebody who's

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 1>in fashion would draw themselves, but then that coming to

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 1>life in real life. And that's what I love about it. Like, yeah,

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 1>most talented queen uri hands down?

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Who is the funniest.

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Hannah? Hands down?

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Hannah I loved as well. Yesterday or the day before,

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 2>she turned up on the Someone's Instagram live and like

0:31:57.280 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 2>there was like a good like thirty seconds of her

0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 2>sort of not appearing, but then all of a sudden

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 2>just appeared with this princess Leah.

0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh. Yes, she does this to us all the time,

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 1>and oh my god, honestly there's photos of us because

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 1>we grow chat and she comes out and this throw

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 1>line work a and like we just die, like I've

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 1>actually nearly passed myself because she's so bloody funny and

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 1>she does it to us all the time. We'll just

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 1>be having a serious conversation and then she just pops up, oh, like,

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 1>she's so funny, so funny.

0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:36.080
<v Speaker 2>I hope people can go on and rewatch those Instagram lives.

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 2>I think you can start. You can watch them on

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 2>the story. Who did you not like or maybe didn't

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 2>get enough time to get to know?

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh? I think that maybe probably Molly, Like maybe Molly

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 1>and we just didn't get enough time and when we

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 1>got to the top four obviously, but I think that

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 1>that's just part of her personality. It just takes a

0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:02.840
<v Speaker 1>little bit of time for her to warm up. And

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:05.239
<v Speaker 1>we're in a competition as well. You know, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like you're just gonna flop it all out on the table,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Okay, we're talking to me here, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I did flop it out on the table. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah Molly.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair enough, fair enough? Who is the messiest queen?

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<v Speaker 1>Like me?

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<v Speaker 2>I am putting it all together. So you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>there's two different ways that you can be a messy queen,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is like, you know, makeup all over the workstation.

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<v Speaker 2>But then also messiest queen is in like all over

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<v Speaker 2>the place.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, then there would be many, wouldn't that They would

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<v Speaker 1>be my girl many love her, love your babes, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh messiest queen, Like yeah, I don't know. Yeah, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>just say many.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and who this is the good question, not yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>but who do you think could win out of the

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<v Speaker 2>other two that are in the top.

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<v Speaker 1>Three with you, babes. That's a difficult question because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said to you earlier, it's like if I

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<v Speaker 1>could give everybody a piece and we could all win,

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<v Speaker 1>I would, like, I literally.

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<v Speaker 2>Would, But that isn't the game.

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<v Speaker 1>But I get I understand that, babes, it would probably

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<v Speaker 1>be Hannah because like when you look at like you

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<v Speaker 1>put both of the our track records together, it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she deserves it.

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<v Speaker 2>Spanky Jackson, you have made my day. I love you,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think you've done such a good job on

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<v Speaker 2>the show. I can't wait to see how you go

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<v Speaker 2>in the finale. But also I can't wait to be

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<v Speaker 2>in your audience and see where you go from this.

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<v Speaker 2>So congratulations, Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate it. And I just think that this

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<v Speaker 1>is even like this whole journey for me has been

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<v Speaker 1>full of the full circle moments, like constantly, like I

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<v Speaker 1>can't even explain, like even the hotel I'm staying it

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<v Speaker 1>right now, literally outside my window is the old Diva

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<v Speaker 1>bar on commercial rope, which was the first that I

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<v Speaker 1>ever did show in in Melbourne. Like even talking to

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<v Speaker 1>you as another full circle moment. Who knows what's to happen,

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<v Speaker 1>But I just know that I'm in the right place

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<v Speaker 1>and I've done the right thing, and I've done myself

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<v Speaker 1>and my country and Australia hope Brown without getting emotional

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<v Speaker 1>about it, but yeah, I'm really proud. So thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>And you've now told everyone that you're staying at the

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<v Speaker 2>Color Hotel, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I have.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just ed about out of the podcast. I'll bleeve

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<v Speaker 2>it so well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be gone tomorrow flag again, So don't worry, don't

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<v Speaker 1>be long.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll all turn up. Actually, when they say everyone, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean myself. I'll be there.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much for the chat, Thanks so much for

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<v Speaker 2>your generosity time with your time as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, honestly, thank you like it's it's honestly, it's nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's I'm nobody special, I'm just a person. So I

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<v Speaker 1>love that you've taken the time to talk to me.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you so much.