1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Get a. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 2: I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, and professional overshaer. 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: our blind spots. Each week I'll interview a different guest 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 2: about their highs as well as their lows, all in 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. 8 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to the pod. 9 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: Today, We've got a bit of a Crimbo special episode 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 2: for you. Today we have sustainable expert Lottie dl who 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: has come in and talk to us not just about 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: living a more sustainable and eco friendly life, but how 13 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: we can implement these things at this time of year, 14 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: in the silly season in Crimbo, how we can make 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: riddle changes that are not only going to have a 16 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: great impact on our lives and our loved ones and 17 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: our family, but also on the community as well. 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: I hope you love this chat. 19 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 2: I learned loads Lotty is a champ and gets getting 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: me really excited for Crimbo not long now. Lottie d L, 21 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: thank you so much for jumping on the pod. You 22 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: are my sustainability expert. I've decided. Oh great, I'm so 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: excited to talk how we can be more sustainable, how 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: to make easy. I know that's one of your big 25 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: passions about not going okay as of tomorrow, no more 26 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 2: waste in our lives whatsover, nor more. 27 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: Plastic blah blah. 28 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: But you're all about simple swaps and changes. So I 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: can't wait to talk to you about this. But first, 30 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 2: can we go back to Mark Wahlberg? 31 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 3: Of course, MARKI Mark anytime. 32 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: Talk to me. So you were doing a day in the. 33 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 4: Life Yes, so I was doing a week of a 34 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 4: day in the life of market Mark. And I'm not 35 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 4: sure if you know much about his daily routine. 36 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: It's pretty intense. 37 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: Four am start, yes. 38 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 4: Four am starts, and then he wakes up and he 39 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 4: meditates and then I'm not a great meditator. 40 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 3: I try, but. 41 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 4: I'll probably make it to the ten minute mark if 42 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 4: I'm on a good day. So if I'm not on 43 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 4: a good date, it's a couple of minutes. Then I'm like, 44 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 4: oh gosh, the day started. My to do list is 45 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 4: just ticking over. Yea, So I tried to do that, 46 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 4: and then he works out for an hour and a half, 47 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 4: which I physically can't do, and then he prays, which 48 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 4: I don't do either. 49 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 3: So I was sitting there at four am. I'm like, 50 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 3: what am I meant to do right now? Like it's ridiculous. 51 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: And it was in February. 52 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 4: So I just made a long list of very ambitious 53 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 4: news resolutions, as we all do every year, and I 54 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 4: one of them was to live more sustainably or to 55 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 4: do better when it came to the planet. 56 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 3: Was it a smart goal. 57 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 4: It didn't have any kind of like you need to 58 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 4: run a marathon, you needed to lose ten kilos. It 59 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 4: was just to do better. So I'm okay, well, I'm 60 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 4: going to wake up and have a smoothie and I'm 61 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 4: going to put a plastic straw into that smoothie. So 62 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 4: what would be the most sustainable straw for me? So 63 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 4: I started researching, really digging deep. As a journalist. I'm like, okay, 64 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 4: let's get all the best. Yeah, exactly, And it was 65 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 4: really difficult to just find like a really simple yes 66 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 4: or no. Oh, this is the best dayless steel straw, 67 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 4: which is one that I kind of came to the 68 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 4: conclusion for and I was like, okay, great, I'm going 69 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 4: to buy some dainless stel straw, typed it into Google, 70 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 4: ordered it from what I thought was a sustainable company. 71 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: Naturally that would be a natural accession. 72 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 4: And then a couple of days later it arrived and 73 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 4: I bought five and each one was individually wrapped in plastic, 74 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 4: and I just went, this is ridiculous. 75 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 3: I've wasted my. 76 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 4: Precious time at four am in the morning doing literally 77 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 4: hours of research to find what I thought was the 78 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 4: right solution, and then to get it. I just felt 79 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 4: kind of like, what is the point? Like this is 80 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 4: so difficult and so confusing and so hard. Why would 81 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 4: people want to do this and why should they want 82 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,839 Speaker 4: to put in all of this effort because it kind 83 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 4: of I apply a lot of health and fitness philosophies 84 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 4: to sustainability totally. And if we want people to exercise more, 85 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 4: we need there to be more green areas, we need 86 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 4: easier access to healthy food, we need it to taste good, 87 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 4: all of these kinds of things. But with sustainability, there 88 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 4: was none of that. It was confusing, it was overwhelming. 89 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 4: People don't even know where to start, and I kind 90 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 4: of went, well, this isn't going to work. Why isn't 91 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 4: there somebody or a business doing this? 92 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: So I just built it. 93 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: And that's where Banish was created. 94 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: I've spent so much time trawling and having so much 95 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: fun on your website because what I love about your 96 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: website is it's got your educational platform and then you've 97 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: got all the products that you've already kind of like 98 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: road tested for us, and we know that it's going 99 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: to arrive not wrapped in exact plastic. So congratulations on 100 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: creating something that I feel like was so needed and 101 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: is so needed. 102 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, So how do you go from. 103 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: Writing the Marquee mark story for men's health right yeah, 104 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: to being like, all right, this is insane. I don't 105 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: want to be consuming more plastic when I'm trying to 106 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: be doing a good thing. We're just like I need 107 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,799 Speaker 2: to create like a place where people can trust us 108 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: and feel safe to get brands they trust and believe exactly. 109 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 4: And when I was doing my research into finding the 110 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 4: right brands, there were amazing Australian small businesses doing this 111 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 4: and when I kind of say to them, like do 112 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 4: you ship with plastic? 113 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 3: They were like no, why would we do that? And 114 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: they were doing the right thing, but they had no way. 115 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 4: To market themselves to the bigger audiences because often when 116 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 4: it comes. 117 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: To sustainable products. 118 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 4: Theoretically, like if you're buying a I don't know, a 119 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 4: safety raiser or some knitted dish cloths, they like, a 120 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 4: safety raiser should last. 121 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: You your whole entire life. 122 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you don't really need to have any brand 123 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 4: rapport because you've purchased it. 124 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: You don't need to sign up to their manage one 125 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: and done. 126 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't need to kind of follow them on Instagram. 127 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 4: So I thought that if we put all of these 128 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 4: small businesses together, so then rather than them fighting for 129 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 4: consumer dollars, they could work together. So it's kind of 130 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 4: like you come to Banish, you buy a safety raiser, 131 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 4: you have a great experience. Next time you come back, 132 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 4: you might buy bees wax wraps and it kind of 133 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 4: then we can work with this power of the network 134 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 4: and the community to really get out there and to 135 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 4: help these businesses grow. 136 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: I love this. I love this, you know. 137 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: I said before, I'm so excited to talk Christmas. I'm 138 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 2: a Christmas nerd, and so I'm so excited to talk 139 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 2: sustainable Crimbo with you. But before we do any of that, 140 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: I love that one of your kind of ethos is 141 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 2: to keep it simple. Now, I'm a trade nutritionist and 142 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: I get so. And I owned a smoothie bar in 143 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: Melbourne about five years ago, and I remember when we 144 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: made the switch from plastic straws to buy I think 145 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: it was is a biopack the brand that does and 146 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: it was like a big It was a consumer driven 147 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: completely that people just straight away said there was was 148 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: the documentary that came out with the turtles and the 149 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: straws through there. Do you remember the one I'm talking 150 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: about Snolls or something, and people just walked in and 151 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: were like, we don't want plastic straws. And so we 152 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: overnight completely changed it. And it was like I felt 153 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: very lucky to be part of it. 154 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: And to be like guided by the consumer as well. 155 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: But for me, like even when I go somewhere and 156 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: get everything, like I know, let's just say I get 157 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: a takeaway a si E bowl somewhere and everything it's 158 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 2: in is like compossible. And I heard this on your 159 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: podcast this morning with Ziggy Alberts. And now I still 160 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: don't know exactly where that compostible stuff because I've got 161 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: a green bin, a recycle bin, and a regular bin. 162 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: Does the bio Can you help me understand it? Because 163 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: that's where I trip up and get really confused. 164 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: And I know I haven't asked the question properly, but 165 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: I can tell. 166 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 4: You I know exactly what you're saying because everybody feels 167 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 4: the same way. 168 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: That's the biggest thing is nobody walks around being like 169 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: living sustainably is easy. 170 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 4: Like no one is like, oh, this is a piece 171 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 4: of cake, like it is really difficult. And with coffee 172 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 4: cups and everything like that, we're seeing more of them 173 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 4: come out with this kind of I don't know that 174 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 4: this compostible look and feel. And there's two things that 175 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 4: you need to look out for. First of all, is 176 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 4: there is a certification around if something is able to 177 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 4: be home composted or whether it has to go to 178 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 4: a commercial possible fist facility. Gosh, it's a bit of 179 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 4: a tongue. Yeah, So that is first of all what 180 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 4: you need to look for on these items. But if 181 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 4: something has the only the commercially compostible facility, it's how 182 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 4: do we then get that facility? And I don't honestly 183 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 4: know how to get it there for you at it 184 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 4: because there is a lot of more of these facilities 185 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 4: in Victoria than there are New South Wales and Queensland. 186 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 3: So it's really really difficult. 187 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 4: A couple of these brands are bringing back, Like if 188 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 4: you've got to Messina, for example, you can take these 189 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 4: containers back to the store. 190 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: I love that you just brought up Messina ice cream 191 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 2: winds always. 192 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 4: Always, but they so you can bring it back to 193 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 4: that store. Seven to eleven have a great program where 194 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 4: you can also take these cups back to there. 195 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 3: But if you were to. 196 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 4: Go and kind of put one of these I don't know, 197 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 4: the assiable containers into your compost been at home, it 198 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 4: probably would take about nine to twelve months to break down. 199 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 4: If that, if your compost is thriving and it's nice 200 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,599 Speaker 4: and warmer, what have you. So that's why there's a 201 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 4: little bit of a disconnect because we're seeing all of 202 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 4: these states come out and go we're going to be 203 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 4: single use, plastic free, and cafes are then forced to 204 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 4: then use these compossible alternatives. But if we don't have 205 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 4: the right way of disposing of them, then it kind 206 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 4: of creates another issue itself. So it's like if you 207 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 4: were to throw a coffee cup that is made from 208 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 4: compostible materials into your general waste spin, it's kind of 209 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 4: like the equivalent of putting a banana peel into that 210 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 4: general wastepin. 211 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 3: It's going to create a lot of methane. 212 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 4: Gases when it ends up in landfill, and if they're 213 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 4: toxic greenhouse gases. So that's kind of what we're dealing with. 214 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 4: So that's why the best option always is to use 215 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 4: a reusable option, no matter if it is compostible or 216 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 4: if there's plastic available, is what I would be telling everybody. 217 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: That's great, but that's great advice and that helps me heap. 218 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: So thank you. 219 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: And I was this morning. I was like, I've got 220 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: to find out, I've got to ask. 221 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 2: So my next question is, I watched a wonderful ted 222 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 2: X talk you did in Darlinghurst, my old hometown. 223 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: I score it, dar Loo. 224 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: I love the way that you Yes, you're all about sustainability, 225 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: but I feel like one of your hallmarks is kind 226 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 2: of community. Can you talk to me about how important 227 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: the community's role play because I feel like one, I 228 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: feel like if you're just doing your little bit, it 229 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,359 Speaker 2: can kind of feel. 230 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: Like, oh, I'm just one little So talk to me 231 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: about community and what it means to you. 232 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 4: Yep, it is the biggest by far driver I believe 233 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 4: with everything that I'm doing, but also with sustainability in general, 234 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 4: because a lot of sustainability practices are literally just going 235 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 4: back to what we used to do. 236 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 3: And if we look back. 237 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 4: To what we used to do, it's very community focused. 238 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 4: It's there's kind of all of these buzz terms now 239 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 4: about like the shared economy and like knowing thy neighbor, 240 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 4: and everything's kind of going this is nothing new, this 241 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 4: is no kind of innovation. It's just going back to 242 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 4: what we used to do. And I think with sustainability, 243 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 4: like you said, it can feel like you're alone. You 244 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 4: can feel like you're the only person driving and pushing 245 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 4: for change. But if you're part of a community that 246 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 4: feels the same way, then you can you're inspired by 247 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 4: them and you. 248 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 3: Can also push for more. 249 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 4: And I also think I find with my audience inarticular, 250 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 4: often the precipice or the turning point that I find 251 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 4: with people wanting to become more sustainable is when they 252 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 4: start having a family. Because they're more they feel like 253 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 4: they're passing down this planet to somebody else. But what 254 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 4: happens if we were just responsible for one another, and 255 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 4: we loved one another and we cared for the future 256 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 4: that we're creating, for our friends children or the neighbors 257 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 4: kids that are screaming or doing whatever, what happens. If 258 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 4: we just felt like we were handing down to the 259 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 4: next generation rather than having to wait until we were 260 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 4: starting our own personal family. 261 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: And I am an animal nerd. My dad's a vet 262 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: and I'm obsessed. Like this morning, I went for walk 263 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: on the beach, so or dolphins called Dad. I was like, Dad, 264 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: the dolphins are out. I'm obsessed, and especially with orca whales. 265 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: We could do a whole conversation around orca whales. 266 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: But I think also like the careful wildlife, especially like 267 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 2: Marien life, I think somewhat there's got to I think 268 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 2: humans there, we're empathetic creatures, you know, And I think 269 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: it's finding Like for me, I know, if I'm if 270 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 2: I'm helping to look after wildlife, oh like, that gets 271 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: me in a thousand percent, you know. And I don't know, 272 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 2: I totally agree with you about the community thing, but 273 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: I think animal like and I've heard you talk about 274 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: the impact it has on oceans and whatnot as well, 275 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: because just for people that are aware of this, like 276 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: I imagine it'd be a huge chunk of the assies that 277 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: are like, yeah, I'm aware. 278 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got a green bin. I try to use 279 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: it as much as I can. 280 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to do the right thing, but it 281 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: is it can be a bit like I watched a 282 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: segment of you on Tally where you were like what's recyclable? 283 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: What goes in the bin, and like, even seeing the 284 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: host's reactions, I was like, oh. 285 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: No, you can't say that. 286 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 2: You can't and you know, like there are a lot 287 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: of wrong answers, which is totally fine, but I think 288 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 2: that's normal. And I guess I have no idea what 289 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: my question around this was trying to be other than like, 290 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 2: how can we just make. 291 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 1: It so digestible? 292 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 2: And I think this is your whole shear and the 293 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 2: whole reason why you're doing what you're doing right, But 294 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: I think baby steps is good too. 295 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: Is that part of your whole jam? 296 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 3: Well, it's the whole thing is. 297 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 4: It's not prescriptive, like I could tell you what I 298 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 4: think you should do to be more sustainable, but it's 299 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 4: not going to apply to Matt or to anybody else. 300 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 4: It's all about the individual persons. There's no one size 301 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 4: fits all approach. So what I would just really say 302 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 4: is to kind of just do like, look into your recycling, 303 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 4: then look into your general waste bin, have a geezer, 304 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 4: like see what's in them, and be like, Okay, at 305 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 4: the same thing's hopping in here every. 306 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 3: Week, what could I do to reduce this? 307 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 4: Or kind of when you're out at the shops, it 308 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 4: might be switching to a more sustainable option there. But 309 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 4: the one thing that I don't want people to do 310 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 4: is be like, I'm so inspired to live more sustainably, 311 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 4: I'm going to throw everything out that I've got at 312 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 4: home and I'm going to just have a minimalist kitchen. 313 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 4: And I'm going, no, please, don't do that. 314 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 3: Let's just use up what you've got. 315 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, then make a more sustainable switch, but take your 316 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 4: time with it, don't rush it. Don't just kind of 317 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 4: get to the supermarket shelves, freak out, not know what 318 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 4: to do, and then just buy what you've or always bought. 319 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 4: It's kind of going, Okay, I know that I'm running 320 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 4: out of shampoo, So if I'm going to make a 321 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 4: sustainable switch, what is that going to be next time? 322 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 4: And then take your time with it shock consciously, but 323 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 4: also don't feel guilty. That's my biggest thing. Yeah, I 324 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 4: don't want any of this kind of eco guilt. I 325 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 4: don't want people to kind of forget their coffee cup 326 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 4: and then have an absolute meltdown because I've had to 327 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 4: use a single use coffee cup once in their life. Like, 328 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 4: think about all of the other amazing things. Maybe you 329 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 4: walked to the coffee shop, Maybe you picked up a 330 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 4: couple of pieces of rubbish when you're on your beach 331 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 4: walk this morning. 332 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: There's so mauchful it with no lid, you know that 333 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: little I've heard you say a really cool thing that 334 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: I hadn't I've never done before with something that I 335 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: really want to start doing is sharing clothes. 336 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: Yes, Like my mum writes me. 337 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 2: And she's like I love that Lakers jumper and I'm 338 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 2: in Byron so I barely wear a jumper. And I 339 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to Melbourne in a couple of weeks. 340 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: I'm like, Mom, I'll bring the Lakers jump before you. 341 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: I've had it five years. Yeah, you know, And I 342 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: like this concept. You're like, you can wear a dress 343 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: like two hundred and fifty times and I make you 344 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 2: know that there's a mate that loves that and you can. 345 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: Just kind of like gift it on. It's so nice. 346 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: And then it's like, I don't know about you. If 347 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,239 Speaker 2: you mate's ever given me something, Oh, it means. 348 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 3: Sentimental value is huge. 349 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: It means so much to me. 350 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: And I love this concept of Like and my boyfriend, 351 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: I'm really like, he's quite small, and so we share everything, 352 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: much to his dismay, I'm sure, but it's so much 353 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: fun and it saves like like, yeah, we got to 354 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: jump and we're like, oh, we'll just get one that 355 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 2: fits us both and just share it. And I like 356 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: this concept of sharing. I think it's so simple, but 357 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 2: it's underrated. Yeah, and you feel good exactly. 358 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 4: And my whole thing is like I ask friends who 359 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 4: I would feel completely comfortable with like sharing back. So 360 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 4: it's not like you're feeling awkward. It's not like you're uncomfortable. 361 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 4: It's not like you're trying to kind of I don't know, 362 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 4: get something out of the relationship. 363 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: You're literally just like, hey, can I please borrow this? 364 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 4: I've got a wedding coming up or like whatever's going on, 365 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 4: And it is so much fun. Like my girlfriends and 366 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 4: I we have nights where we all bring five pieces 367 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 4: of clothing over to our houses and we do a 368 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 4: little like fun like demonstration, being. 369 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 3: Like this would look great with this, this, this or this. 370 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 4: Like and everyone kind of literally is just like then 371 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 4: we stop and everyone's like, okay, I want that one, 372 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 4: that one and that one, and it's just so much fun. 373 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: And then they get to put it to you. 374 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 4: I never thought of that combination of like how you 375 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 4: would wear that or that looks great on you whenever 376 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 4: I'm kind of so sick of wearing because I've wanted 377 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 4: for the past five years. 378 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: It's just so much fun. I love it. 379 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: Ah. And because I used to do book swaps and 380 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: I still do them because being an author, I've become 381 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: a book nerd. But book swaps definitely are a great 382 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: thing to do. But I was like, why not take 383 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 2: it to close? Yeah, such a great idea. Okay, So, 384 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 2: and I know you've been asked this question loads, but 385 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: just because if people listening to this want to make 386 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 2: a quick change, you've explained some really like I've heard 387 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: you in other pods explain some really just like simple 388 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: swaps that someone could do today and go, ah, that 389 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 2: wasn't too hard. 390 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: Can you just take us through a couple. 391 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 3: Of really simple ones, So don't want to be prescriptive. 392 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 4: That's of course not one size fits all, but it 393 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 4: would be first of all, if you can to start composting. 394 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that would be either in your green bin. 395 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 4: If your local council has Fogo, or it would be 396 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 4: composting at home or there's a great app that you 397 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 4: can download could share waste, And what it does is 398 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 4: it connects you with your neighbors in your area who 399 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 4: have a compost bin. So literally, like you open it 400 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 4: up and it's like Google maps of compost bins. 401 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: That's cool, it's so cool. 402 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 4: So you just message them and you're like, hey, you 403 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 4: live like a street away from I never even knew this. 404 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 4: Can I come drop my compost off at you? So 405 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 4: composting is great because generally speaking, in your general waist bin, 406 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 4: forty percent of that bin will be food scraps. So 407 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 4: that's literally like you're almost cutting it in half right 408 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 4: then and there by composting. So that's a really easy 409 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 4: simple one to do. And then I would have to 410 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 4: say next would be thinking consciously about your next purchase. 411 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 4: So no matter what it is, whether it is going 412 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 4: to the supermarkets, whether it's buying a dress or just 413 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 4: making that next purchase a really conscious one, thinking about 414 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 4: if you actually need it, thinking about who made it, 415 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 4: thinking about what it's made from and what packaging it 416 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 4: comes in. Are those kind of the things that I 417 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 4: would be thinking about there for my second tip, And 418 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 4: then my third one would be just because I know 419 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,719 Speaker 4: this is coming out close to Christmas. 420 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: It would be too. 421 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 4: On your Christmas lunch or your Christmas dinner or whatever, 422 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 4: kind of change up one of your little traditions to 423 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 4: make it a little bit more sustainable. Whether that is 424 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 4: I don't know. It could be like everybody bringing a 425 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 4: plate for Christmas. It could be yeah, saying that everybody 426 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 4: needs to I don't know, make a present rather than 427 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 4: give a gift or something like that, just make it 428 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 4: a little bit fun. Like maybe it could be saying like, Okay, 429 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 4: this year, we're not going to do plastic straws, or 430 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 4: like everyone brings their own cutlery, knife, and fork, because 431 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 4: I know a lot of people don't have like if 432 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 4: they're having a I don't know, forty people over that 433 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 4: don't have forty plates, so they'll often get plastic plates. 434 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 4: So maybe it's like if you're becoming today, just like 435 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 4: bring your own knife and fork in a plate. 436 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: Oh ah, so cool. 437 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: I speaking of the next choice to make consciously, I 438 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 2: didn't even think of this, but I heard you say 439 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: even when you buy pasta not in a plastic bag 440 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: but in a box, so many passes coming boxes which 441 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: you can then recycle after. 442 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 4: Rightly exactly, So it's just those like little choices that 443 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 4: again it might take you an extra couple of seconds 444 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 4: because you'd just go for that pasta brand that you 445 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 4: always have. 446 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 3: You could do the same with. 447 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 4: I don't know, like a tin of tomatoes for kind 448 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 4: of something else, or when you're in the fresh produce 449 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 4: section rather than buying a bag of carrots, buying. 450 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 3: Loose things like that. 451 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 4: Like, you're not completely changing, You're not going to ever 452 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 4: I don't know, like you will consume plastic again, but 453 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 4: you're reducing the amount that you are consuming. 454 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: We also shop living our pos very very lucky, but 455 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 2: we shop every Friday at the Mum and Mimmi farmers. 456 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 3: Much This Friday was so much fun. 457 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: I'm surprised. Did you get to try the blueberries? The 458 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 2: blueberries up here insane? 459 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,959 Speaker 1: I didn't Neuriba. 460 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 2: They're from the Gros me in Nuruba. But it's such 461 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 2: a because you obviously take your own. They're our market 462 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: bag scene next, so you take your own market bag. 463 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 2: You know, there's no plastic or anything, and when you 464 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 2: buy something, you just chuck it in a calico away 465 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 2: you go, you know. 466 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: And I think farmer's markets is a great way to 467 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: It's almost like you don't need to think about cutting 468 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: down your plastic. 469 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 2: It's already almost done for you, provided you've got your 470 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 2: little carry home bag. 471 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: And the thing that I love. 472 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: About that from a community aspect is you get to 473 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 2: meet the farmer. You can have the little chat, find 474 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 2: out like about the Neuriba blueberries, or. 475 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: Like there's a guy. 476 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: There's a kid that sells eggs hens and he is 477 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 2: twenty years old. He's set up his own sustainable like 478 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 2: egg farm and got crowdfunded twenty years old gosh, and 479 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 2: his school sponsored him. And it was so I'm like, 480 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: oh my god. So you get to learn about all 481 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,959 Speaker 2: these amazing stories. And I think when you feel like 482 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 2: you're connected to that community, it like intrinsically fills you 483 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 2: up and you feel like, ah, there's that real sense 484 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 2: of purpose exactly. 485 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 4: And you're also shopping seasonally, which is a huge which 486 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 4: like I actually don't know a lot of the different 487 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 4: season of fruit and vegetables. 488 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 3: But if I go to. 489 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 4: The markets and I'm like, hey, can you please give 490 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 4: me some I don't know eggplants and like, no, they're 491 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 4: not in season, then you go, oh, that's weird because 492 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 4: I can give eggplants twenty four, like year seven when 493 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 4: I'm at a normal supermarket. So that's also really big 494 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 4: thing is being in tune with those specials and just healthy. Yeah, 495 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 4: yeah for you. 496 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: And correctly that your training is nutrition and media. Is 497 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: that correct as it is? 498 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I haven't used the nutrition side of things in 499 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 4: a very long time. 500 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 3: But yeah it is. 501 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 4: And I, like I said at the start, I find 502 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 4: a lot of the philosophies and the psychology behind sustainability 503 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 4: and nutrition and health very similar. 504 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: Oh totally. 505 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 2: And I think that same feeling of you can get 506 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 2: overwhelmed with all the different diets out there and what's 507 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 2: right for you. And that's why I love the way 508 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 2: you're like, I'm not prescriptive at all, because I get it. 509 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: It can be like. 510 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 3: Super super super and you want somebody to tell you 511 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 3: exactly what you do. You like, you want them to 512 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 3: give you a step by step. 513 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 4: Guide, but it's kind of going like what you do 514 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 4: here shopping at a farmer's market. It's going to be 515 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 4: very different from somebody living in a big city. So 516 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 4: there's a point just giving a blanket guide. 517 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a million percent with you. Okay, you bought 518 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: up Crimbo my friend. 519 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: No, I love it. I love it. 520 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: I am so excited to talk to you about Christmas. 521 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: I'm a Chrimbo nerd and we're having a buyer in 522 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: Christmas this year. 523 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: It's such a wonderful time full of love and community, 524 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 2: but it's also a time where we can kind of 525 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 2: like get all this materialistic stuff and buy heaps of 526 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: wrapping paper and ribbons and I'm sure that's all laced 527 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 2: with plastic particles and whatnot. And also like there's a 528 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: lot of like think about sometimes there's just so much 529 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 2: chunk around Christmas time. So I guess my question is 530 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 2: I've looked up You've got an amazing unbanished dot com 531 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 2: dot au. That's the right website and I'll put it 532 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: all in the show notes. But you've got a local 533 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 2: Australian made gift guide, which I loved. I last Christmas 534 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,239 Speaker 2: to a sustainable gift guide on the podcast, and I 535 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: guess I just wanted to know what are some simple 536 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: like and I know you've hit the nail on the 537 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 2: head with like make it like a potlark or like 538 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: try plastic free, but like I love Tinsel, Tinsell would 539 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 2: be I I'm. 540 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 4: Surprised there's no decorations up already here. I thought that 541 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 4: you would have them, like my whole house is a 542 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 4: pricess done. 543 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 3: Do you finish? 544 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 2: I have been literally every day in my woe and 545 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, come, we come with your plays green plays. 546 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: Plase we haven't only because we go to Melbourne soon. 547 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 2: And we really want to just you know, I want 548 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 2: to go nuts. I'm also a big Halloween persons. We've 549 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 2: just been Halloween here. 550 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 3: See what a little bit of down? 551 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: Yeah we need a little bit right, But okay, so 552 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,719 Speaker 2: talk to me about like how can we have a 553 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: little bit more of a sustainable crimbo. 554 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 4: So first of all, it's just what you've got already. 555 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 4: So we don't need to do kind of a different 556 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 4: theme every single year for Christmas. We don't need to 557 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 4: kind of do blue themes one year white themes. I 558 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,719 Speaker 4: don't know a lot of people seem to do that. 559 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 3: I love. 560 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 4: I just love buying timeless pieces that you're going to 561 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 4: have for a very long time. Like well, on our 562 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 4: Christmas tree at home, we still have like the Christmas 563 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 4: ball balls I made in pre school, like all of those, 564 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 4: like markedly ones that like mean so much. 565 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 3: They look like it looks like a higgledy pickledy. 566 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 4: Christmas tree, but it's kind of amazing because that's what 567 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 4: you've always grown up with. So that's what I would 568 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 4: be doing to start with. If you are doing Christmas lights, 569 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 4: I'd be buying Soul of Howard Christmas lights. 570 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 3: Again, if you. 571 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 4: Can steer clear of glitter, that is the biggest one 572 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 4: that we want to be steering clear of on kind 573 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 4: of ball balls or on ribbons or on I don't know. 574 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 3: Some really really fancy papers. 575 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 4: Have got glitter all over them because, as you said, 576 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 4: those micro tiny pieces of plastic that kind of then 577 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 4: go into your vacuum or you sweep them up, or 578 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 4: they just fly off in the wind aren't very sustainable 579 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 4: or great at all. Wrapping paper can be recycled, so 580 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 4: that is a big tick tick. So when you're on 581 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 4: wrapping presents at Christmas Day, pop it all into the 582 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 4: recycling bin. A little bit of sticky tape is fine. 583 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 4: If you've kind of gone ham on the sticky tape, 584 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 4: then pull it off. There are also craft paper tapes 585 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 4: that you can get that are plastic. 586 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 3: Free as well. 587 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,719 Speaker 4: Always reuse those gift bags that people give you. Always 588 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 4: store them in the fridge I'm not fridge, sorry, in 589 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 4: the pantry. 590 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 3: I feel like my mum did. 591 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 4: That for years and years, and it's just one of 592 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 4: those things where you're kind of like, oh, gosh, I've 593 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 4: got a quick present, throw it in there, and then 594 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 4: you can give it to somebody else and then it 595 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 4: keeps on going on. There's also a really fun method 596 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 4: called I think it's called the okonami method. 597 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 3: Don't didn't pronounce. 598 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 4: That properly, but what it is is you use a 599 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 4: teatowel or a piece of cloth instead of wrapping paper, 600 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 4: and it looks so cool and fun and like, I 601 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 4: always need new teatowels, So that's always a really fun, 602 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 4: great way to wrap your presents. Differently, when it comes 603 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 4: to eating, if you could kind of swap out a 604 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 4: meat dish for a vegetarian dish. It's another really great one, 605 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 4: really simple, but when it comes to gifting. 606 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 3: It's really difficult. 607 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 4: It's really hard, especially if you've got young kids who 608 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 4: kind of they want the quantity, they don't care about 609 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 4: the quality. They go to look at this toy for 610 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 4: a couple of minutes pretty much, and then they're like, 611 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 4: see you later. I am a big stickler for actually 612 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 4: letting people now know what I do and don't want 613 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 4: for Christmas because the number of times that I get 614 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 4: things and I'm like, oh, thanks, but I've got I 615 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 4: don't know, two thousand of these already. 616 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 3: I actually really didn't need this, and it's that whole 617 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 3: awkward like try to look surprised like you loved it. 618 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: But you didn't. 619 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 4: So I'm actually quite happy now to tell people exactly 620 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 4: what I. 621 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: Want to do that Dad's like, we're getting a diary 622 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: again this year. 623 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, my brother buys my 624 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:32,959 Speaker 3: diaries for me every year. 625 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 4: I'm like, this is exactly what I need and it's 626 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 4: so much better. And if not, I love experiences. Experiences 627 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 4: are amazing. You get to then create a memory. It's 628 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 4: going to last a lot longer than whatever you give somebody. 629 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 4: So that's also a really great gift that I would do, 630 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 4: even if it's kind of like I don't know you 631 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 4: when you were kids, did you used to do this? 632 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 4: I used to do it for mom and dad for 633 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 4: like Mother's Day of Father's Day. I'd give them like 634 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 4: a raffle ticket book. But then I'd rue on the 635 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 4: raffle tickets different things like one massage or like one 636 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 4: breakfast in bed. 637 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: And little things and they can cash it in whatever. 638 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 4: It's so cute, but kind of like why aren't we 639 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 4: doing things like that? 640 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 3: That would be so much fun. And then another one 641 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 3: would be loving leftovers, Like you always make too much 642 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 3: food on Christmas Day, so kind of like divvy it up, 643 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 3: give people doggie bags to. 644 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 4: Go home with, but then also really make the most 645 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 4: of that Chris and use up all of those salads 646 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 4: the next day, like just keep on eating. 647 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: That's actually great, but that's all awesome, Like they're all 648 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: my mum wraps is because my mum's really understainable sustainable living. 649 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 2: She's got a farm Dalesford, like pretty off the greed, 650 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 2: and she'll always wrap her Christmas presence in details every 651 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 2: year now and yeah, it's just so I, yeah, I 652 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 2: thank you so much because it's really inspiring me and 653 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 2: making me so excited for like a really just a 654 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 2: really mindful chrissy too, where you have great memories but 655 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 2: you don't go overboard. So that's something that I definitely 656 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 2: am guilty of. I'm my language of lover's gift giving 657 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 2: and so I'm like, okay, yep, I've got you. 658 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: This is it. Okay, thank you, Christmas. We are set. Now. 659 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 2: I have one more kind of like it's not a 660 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 2: curly question, it's more of a question that I'm still 661 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: learning about. 662 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: This term green washing. Yes, can you explain to me 663 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: what that is? 664 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 4: So pretty much greenwashing is like the fat free movement 665 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 4: is how I would describe it in a nutrition sense. 666 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: Thank you. 667 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 4: So like when we all suddenly found out that fat 668 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 4: free milk wasn't actually that great for us, but because 669 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 4: of the way that it had been marketed and branded 670 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 4: to us, we thought we were all doing the right thing. 671 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 3: So we're starting to see the same thing. 672 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 4: Happen with a lot of big brands because studies have 673 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 4: come out showing that kind of nine to ten consumers 674 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 4: want to shop more sustainably seventy four percent of consumers 675 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 4: want more transparency from brands. But we're getting the first, 676 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 4: we're not getting the second. We're not getting the transparency, 677 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 4: but we're getting a lot of brands making changes. 678 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 3: In quotation marks. No one can see the quotation marks 679 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 3: that I'm doing here, but they're not really doing much. 680 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 4: So things to look out for are things like a 681 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 4: light brown crafty packaging on an item, or it could 682 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 4: be green leaves printed all over things. So this kind 683 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 4: of it gives us the inadverted assumption that this is 684 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 4: a more sustainable choice, but if we turn it over 685 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 4: and look at kind of where it came from or 686 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 4: the packaging or the ingredients, we'd actually see that it's 687 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 4: not that sustainable, got it. So that's what greenwashing is. 688 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 4: But we're seeing it everywhere because in Australia and in 689 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 4: most countries around the world, there's no legislation around the 690 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 4: term sustainable eco friendly, I don't know, environmentally friendly. So 691 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 4: literally like you could go and put a couple of 692 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 4: chemicals in a bottle and then put a label on 693 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 4: it that says environmentally friendly and nobody would say anything. 694 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: That's scary to me, very scary. 695 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 4: So we're seeing things that are happening in terms of 696 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 4: kind of there are independent bodies that are coming out 697 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 4: that are doing kind of their own assessments, but it's 698 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 4: not widely used or accepted by a lot of different 699 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 4: brands at the moment, so kind of the one that's 700 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 4: in the recycling industry is called the Australasian Recycling Label, 701 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 4: which we're starting to see hop on the back of 702 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 4: a lot of packaging. So that's great because it's a 703 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 4: really simple and easy guide that tells people how to 704 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 4: dispose of something. But when it comes to ingredients, which 705 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 4: is often where all of the damage is, we're not 706 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 4: really seeing any kind of there's no like heart tick 707 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 4: of approval for the sustainability industry. 708 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: Got you. 709 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 4: So that's where these marketers are having an absolute field 710 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 4: day and the consumers are just stumbling through. And it 711 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 4: happens to me like I'm technically meant to know all everything, 712 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 4: but I'll go to the shops think I'm making the 713 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 4: right decision, and come home and have a closer look 714 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 4: and just kind of go what is happening here? 715 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 2: Well, even like as an influenza, I get send like 716 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 2: shoes made from drink bottles, and I'm like, oh my god, 717 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: that's amazing. And a friend of mine said, dig deeper, 718 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: like often she's like some companies will be making bottles 719 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: to put in shoes. 720 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 4: Or the percentage that is made of recycled plastic bottles 721 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 4: might be the lasers and the rest of it is made. 722 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 3: From virgin materials. 723 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 4: Yes, So there's kind of so many and it's just 724 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 4: asking those questions as a consumer, like you're in a 725 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 4: fortunate position that you could turn around and ask that 726 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 4: brand for a bit more information, but as a consumer 727 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 4: to check out, you kind of I don't know. If 728 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 4: you've got kids screaming, you're in a rush, you're trying 729 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 4: to make the right decision, but you don't really know 730 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 4: what you're doing. It's hard or you don't have the 731 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 4: luxury of going you know what, I'm not going to 732 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 4: buy this pasta today or this I don't know this 733 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 4: pasta source because I'm going to go home, do my 734 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 4: research and then come back. You don't have that yeactuary, 735 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 4: So it is really difficult. But I think we're lucky 736 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 4: because online retailers are being a lot more transparent. So 737 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 4: when you go to a lot of fashion websites, for example, 738 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 4: they'll have a sustainability page which will talk about and 739 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 4: if they don't, I encourage people to ask them for 740 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 4: their sustainability credentials, because if a company is legitimately sustainable, 741 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 4: they will easily be able to say, oh, yeah, of course, 742 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 4: this is who made your clothes, and this is where 743 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 4: they made from, these are the types of materials. But 744 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 4: if they don't, it's actually still a good thing to 745 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 4: have asked them, because they're going, like you with the 746 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 4: plastic straws in your smoothie bus, you're telling the brand 747 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 4: like hang on. Our audience wants this information to be available. 748 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 4: They want to live more sustainably, so we need to 749 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 4: adapt to that. 750 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: Oh so cool. 751 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 2: I'm learning so much of you. Thank you for making 752 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 2: it really digestible. I really appreciate that, not very selfishly, 753 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 2: by the way, for me as well, not just the listener. Okay, 754 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 2: so what if we this is more of a personal question. Now, 755 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: what happens if we fast forward five years? Where's Lottie? Like, 756 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 2: what is the dream for you? Like, you're doing so much. 757 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 2: You're working in media, Banish looks like an incredible beast. 758 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: I saw you had so much success with BRAD as well. 759 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: Do you want to quickly explain that. 760 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 4: Yes, So BRAD is the Banish Recycling and Dispose program 761 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 4: which helps Australians recycle those hard to recycle items and 762 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 4: keep them from going to the wrong pit, hence BRAD pitch. 763 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 3: So that's I know. 764 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: I love it. 765 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 3: I have to explain it sometimes I'm like, I'm a 766 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 3: little bit too clever. Pim, No, I like it. 767 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: But you were talking like say truth. 768 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 4: Paste tubes, yeah, pumps on, shampoo bottles, coffee pods, old pens, 769 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 4: like pretty much. What was happening was I was reducing 770 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 4: my waist so much, but then like when I was 771 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 4: looking into my general waist spin, I was still seeing 772 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 4: the same things and I was like, there has to 773 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 4: be an easier way to do this, and I found 774 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 4: all of these amazing Australian recyclers that were doing it, 775 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 4: but like, how often do you go through a pen? 776 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 4: Like not that often, so it's hard to then recycle it. 777 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 4: So I was like, well, hang on and send it 778 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 4: all to BRAD. Then we will sort it out into 779 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 4: those different streams and then we will send it off to. 780 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 3: Be recycled with those facilities. 781 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 4: But the whole thing as well is we're incentivizing people 782 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 4: because it's really difficult to sometimes get people over the 783 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 4: line when it comes to sustainability. So it's like, if 784 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 4: you send us your plastic toothbrushes and the pumps on 785 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 4: those shampoo bottles, will give you a fifteen dollar vouch 786 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 4: to spend it banished to then buy bamboo toothbrushes and 787 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 4: shampoo bars for example. 788 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: So good, I love it. Congratulating, thank you. 789 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 4: It's been twelve months and three point two tons of waste. 790 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 3: It's just absolutely blown my socks off. 791 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 4: I didn't really think that it would be where it is. 792 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 4: I didn't really have any expectations, and I think that's 793 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 4: why with your next question. 794 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,879 Speaker 3: For me, it's really hard because I feel like. 795 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 4: I'm a very organized person, but I don't have that 796 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 4: future plan at the moment, and that's what's kind of 797 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 4: a bit scary and a bit daunting. But it also 798 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 4: makes it harder to plan for the future because I 799 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 4: don't really know where I'm going. This Banish is three 800 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 4: and a half years years old. I didn't think that 801 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 4: I would be in sustainability five years ago, and now 802 00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 4: I'm in this sustainability space. So ultimately, I would love, 803 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 4: like my biggest thing is just I want to talk 804 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 4: to people. I want to talk to as many people 805 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 4: as possible about living sustainably. So I would love a 806 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 4: TV show. I would love books like your amazing book. 807 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 4: I would love just to reach more people. I don't 808 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 4: want to get out of Australia, very very set on 809 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 4: the fact that the Australian sustainability and recycling system is 810 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 4: confusing as it is. I don't need to add other 811 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 4: countries to that, but I would love for people to 812 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,240 Speaker 4: think of me when they go to their rubbish bit. Honestly, 813 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 4: it's so ridiculous. 814 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: I have been all week. I've been now you. 815 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 3: Just have to keep doing that for the next five year. Yah. 816 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's what I honestly just want to help 817 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 4: people in that sense. I don't know how that looks, 818 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 4: but I know that is my core and that is 819 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 4: what I'm going to be doing. 820 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: I love it. 821 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 2: Lottie, You're a legend, mate, rip a name too. I 822 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 2: feel like Lotti and Lola that's a TV show writing 823 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 2: to happen. Thank you so so much for everybody listening. 824 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to link Banish in the show notes here. 825 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 2: Lot E DL come back whenever you want me. Anytime 826 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 2: you're in viron. You just let me know. 827 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: Total honor to have you on the pod. Thank you 828 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: so much, no. 829 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. 830 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, 831 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 2: thank you to our guests and let's continue the conversation 832 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 2: on Instagram. 833 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: I'm at Gamo Lollerberry. 834 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 2: This potty my word for podcast is available on all 835 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 2: streaming platforms. I'd love it if you could subscribe, rape 836 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 2: and comment, and of course spread the love.