1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: That is so fatch. Thank you, welcome back to Outspoken. 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: It's been an exciting week for us. We've got two 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: special announcements. The first is that we have officially clocked 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: over one million downloads, and we want to say a 10 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: big thank you to Anett Shark for covering the story 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: in the Daily Telegraph, and also thank you for everyone 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: who's been listening and sharing with your friends. We've actually 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: had a bit of an influx of listeners in the 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. I feel so old because a 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: lot of people in our community keep saying that they've 16 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: come from TikTok, and I keep having to put posts 17 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: in the group like can someone let me know who's 18 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: shouted us out on TikTok or where they're coming from? 19 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: So I feel like we need to get on TikTok, 20 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: which we are. We are we're on TikTok. K Amy's 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: all up tall on TikTok. I post videography stuff on TikTok. 22 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: I'm now taken over the outspoken TikTok. So if you 23 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: are on TikTok, please go and follow us. Say TikTok 24 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: one more time. How do they follow us? Because I 25 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: don't know how to follow us on TikTok either. Our 26 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: TikTok is Outspoken, Underscore, the underscored podcast, So search us 27 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: on there. We will be posting more on it. We 28 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: won't be posting any dancing though, just just podcast content. Well, 29 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: we revealed on a Q and A that we did 30 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: on our Instagram that we don't dance, and some people 31 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: seem like quite shocked, maybe angried that we hit the 32 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: topic because they haven't seen us dance to begin with, 33 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: they might understand then, Yeah, I think it's a real 34 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: service to you know, the general population that we don't dance. Now, 35 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: other exciting announcement is that we have all had our 36 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: first dose of phiz us. So I was the first. 37 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: I got mine on Monday, and I have got to 38 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: say I was so impressed with Essay Health and the 39 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: roll out. I went down to the Wavel Showgrounds. Now, 40 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: for the who don't live in Adelaide, we should be 41 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: having our Royal show on this month, and so it 42 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: was really weird to be rocking up to the showgrounds 43 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: to get a vaccine. But I feel like I was 44 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: just as excited to be there as I would normally 45 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: have been for the show. I would have liked a 46 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: hot jam donut on like when I was exiting. That 47 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: would have been nice, because I didn't get a lollipop 48 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: or a sticker. Well, I had to go all the 49 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: way to No Longer to get my vaccination because Brandon 50 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: and I panicked booked and we thought No Longer won't 51 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: be as popular as the showgrounds. But as you say, Kate, 52 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: it feels so great to be on the process of 53 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: being fully vaccinated. I can't wait for three weeks to 54 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: be over just so it can be done. Yeah. So 55 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: I love that you say that you panic booked it, 56 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: but you didn't even check Wayville's availability. It's like when 57 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: you get concert tickets and everything crashes, you may as 58 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: well just go with the safe option. Yeah, exactly right. Well, 59 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: for anyone that is wondering, we have had very minimal 60 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: side effects. We did have a sore arm, and that 61 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: was literally all I think. Stupidity may have been a 62 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: side effect for me. Look, I don't think it's fair 63 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: to blame the vaccine on that. I think that was 64 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: all yourself, So speak doing stupid stuff like that for 65 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: bloody her whole life. Look the reason I say stupidity 66 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: is because the next day I was accepting members into 67 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: the group. As you say, Kate, we have had quite 68 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: an influx recently anyway, Facebook community, in our Facebook community, 69 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: and I press approved, and then all of a sudden, 70 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: this button pops up and says do you want to 71 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: start a chat room with your new users? And I thought, 72 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: I clicked no, this is a video chat video chat, 73 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: so I quickly I flicked out of Facebook. And that 74 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: was all I thought of it until I got a 75 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: message from Kate saying like, oh my god, why have 76 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: you started a video chat? So this is twenty minutes 77 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: after and all I have been doing since I started 78 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: the video chat was aimlessly scrolling on Instagram. So I'm 79 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: still unaware if my face was up there for twenty minutes, 80 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: not knowing at least you weren't in the shower this time. 81 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: Well that's what A few listeners did point out because 82 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: obviously last week I shared a story about having a 83 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: rather unfortunate incident where I almost started a video call 84 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: in the shower. We need to have all of you 85 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: need to put blue tag over all of your cameras 86 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: on your phone, on your laptop. People were saying that 87 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: we should do a chat in the Facebook community. I 88 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: think a good idea. No, I just starting only fair 89 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: so hot on But in this video chat do the 90 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: people online? Did they pop up on videos? Now? Everyone does? 91 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: It's like a big zoom call, isn't it. I believe 92 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: it only calls the new members and you can welcome 93 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: them to the group. Oh god, so sorry, probably not 94 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: going to be doing that. Imagine if you've just joined 95 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: and you actually have no interest in the actual podcast. 96 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: You just want all the influencer goss and this randoms 97 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: just calling you. Everyone's been asking us to film and videos, 98 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: so we're actually we're just been doing some work and 99 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: she's been filming, and I've been doing a lot of 100 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: eds and stuff. Oh fuck, it's my Baddy's gonna do. 101 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: Rumors are swelling that former influencer couple Madison Woolley and 102 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: Jonathan Sower have reunited. The pair officially called it quick 103 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: on their two year romance in late July, but eagle 104 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: eyed fans have spotted clues they may be back together. Sophie, 105 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: Before we get into it, can you give us a 106 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: timeline of their relationship? Yeah? Well, Madison debut Jonathan on 107 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: a YouTube channel back in July twenty nineteen when they 108 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: attended Splendor in the Grass together. Gosh, doesn't it just 109 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: seem like such simpler times back then where people could 110 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: actually go to the music festivals. 111 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? 112 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: Well. When the video was uploaded, quite a few people 113 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: were confused because Madison hadn't yet addressed her breakup with 114 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: her former long term boyfriend Brad. So the last flog 115 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: that Brad appeared in was at her twenty first birthday, 116 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: only a couple of months before. So as soon as 117 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: Jonathan and Madison started appearing in videos together, we heard 118 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: how they actually met. So Madison revealed that the relationship 119 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: started after she slid into Jonathan's DMS and it wasn't 120 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: long before Jonathan made the move from Brisbane to Sydney 121 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: to be with Madison. So, for those who don't know, 122 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: Jonathan Sour is an influencer in his own right after 123 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: gaining a following for dating Australian og influence, the Shany Grimmin. 124 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: I feel like that's a lot of where the confusion 125 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: came from as well, because people were so used to 126 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: seeing Jonathan in Shany's videos and suddenly he was appearing 127 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: in this other influencers videos. Yeah, it was really odd 128 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: to watch because, as you said, we knew so much 129 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: about Shani and Jonathan's relationship and then to see him 130 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: starting this new relationship with another influence, it was really bizarre. 131 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: And there has been this long standing joke that he's 132 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: just the fabulous handbag that influencers bring around. Well, I 133 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: feel like this two year relationship was quite turbulent from 134 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: the start, because Madison admitted that the first year was 135 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: really tough and they fought over a lot of petty 136 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: issues and people would pick up that they kept unfollowing 137 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: and then re following each other, presumably signifying arguments in 138 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: their relationship. Well, it's not really surprising because Madison was 139 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: only twenty one when they started dating and Jonathan was 140 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: twenty seven. So I feel like a lot of people, 141 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: a lot of girls in their early twenties and men 142 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: can be quite immature when they do go into relationshit 143 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: like that, when you do have a bit of an 144 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: age gap. I feel like sometimes that's where arguments can 145 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: stem from. Yeah, says Sophie, you have an age gap 146 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: in your relationship, But I do, but it's reversed. Yeah. 147 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: I think Madison herself even said in her podcast that 148 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: she used to be quite petty and immature when they 149 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: first started dating, but has now felt like she's matured 150 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: two years into their relationship. I think we can all 151 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: relate to that. We've all been there. We've all been 152 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: the early twenties when you're petty as fuck over anything 153 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: and also probably feeling a little bit insecure. It would 154 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: be hard if your new boyfriend was known for being 155 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: their boyfriend of a huge influence. And that's not to 156 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: say though, that she was causing all the arguments. No 157 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: one really knows what was going on except Madison and Jonathan. Yeah. Well, 158 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: I feel like this breakup, though, was on the cards 159 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: for a long time, as the pair had stopped engaging 160 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: with each other's posts on Instagram, so they hadn't unfollowed 161 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: each other this time. However, it was quite clear that 162 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: there was no love back and forth on each other's photos, 163 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: and the writing seemed to be on the wall. When 164 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: Madison revealed that she was no longer moving out with 165 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: Jonathan and her roommate Haitlyn, and she was in fact 166 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: moving out by herself. Yeah, the rumors really started to 167 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: get a little bit juicier when on the fifteenth of June, 168 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: Madison and Caitlyn released a podcast called Advice Sessions, Breakups, Housemates, 169 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: and the L Word, and in this episode, Madison revealed 170 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: that she was dealing with something behind the scenes that 171 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: she was still processing, but told her followers that she 172 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: would provide more information on the podcast the following week. 173 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: This is what she said, what's been happening here. 174 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: Look, I feel like it's been going on for a 175 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: while that I've been just dealing with some things behind 176 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: the scenes, And uh, yeah, just really reads a peak 177 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: this week, didn't it. But I'm going to talk about 178 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: what's been going on completely next week in next week's episode. 179 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 2: I just wanted to give myself like one week this 180 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 2: week just to kind of process everything been super super 181 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: like like vague, vague, But next week I'll chat about 182 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: it and let you guys in on kind of what's 183 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: been going on a lot recently. 184 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: So throughout the episode, Madison and Caitlin then made constant 185 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: jibes about it being breakup season and all the questions 186 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: that they answered were pretty much about breakups. They also 187 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: said that they would be recording a special podcast series 188 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: on how to deal with a breakup, So it's quite 189 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: obvious what was going on, Do you guys reckon that 190 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: they sent in all the questions to themselves. I feel 191 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: like that's pretty likely. No, I don't know. I think 192 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 1: that a lot of her followers are quite receptive of 193 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: what's going on in her life, so I think they 194 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: just all suddenly needed breakup advice to that. Well, maybe 195 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: they were asking it because they wanted to hear more 196 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: about what was going on in her life. I don't know. 197 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: Sophie still just wants to believe the magic of the 198 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: podcast well that they are all legitimate questions. Now, many 199 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: listeners were waiting with baited breath to hear this next 200 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: tell all podcast, Unfortunately it did not come. Madison followed 201 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: up by saying. 202 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: This, I just wanted to quickly touch on as well. 203 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: I spoke about in last week's episode that I was 204 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: going to be sharing something that had been going on 205 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 2: in my private life, and I was going to. I 206 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: had every intention to, but since we actually put out 207 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 2: that last podcast. 208 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: Episode, which like two weeks ago we recorded it, yeah, 209 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: like time Stamp People came out last year. 210 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and just since then, there's been just like a 211 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 2: lot of noise surrounding it, like comments, DMS, podcast episodes, 212 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: the whole whole whole thing. So I've actually just decided 213 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: to not share about that part of my life right now. 214 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: I think it's the healthiest decision for me, and I'm 215 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 2: sure I will lay it down the track. I have 216 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 2: every intention to obviously talk about that, but right now 217 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 2: I'm just going to keep that part of my life 218 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 2: off the Internet. And yeah, I hope you guys can 219 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: respect that decision. It's really tricky trying to navigate things 220 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: like that when you do have such like a large 221 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 2: online platform. So I feel like you forget yeah, yeah, yeah, 222 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 2: So hopefully guys can understan where I'm coming from. 223 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: For me, it's quite clear that Jonathan found out that 224 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: she was going to do a tell Or podcast and 225 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,599 Speaker 1: told her to zip it, because I'm personally wouldn't be 226 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: very happy if I heard that this big tell all 227 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: episode was happening where she was going to dish the 228 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 1: dirt on me, particularly because they both have large followings, 229 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: and you've got to remember that poor Jonathan, he's been 230 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: through a very public breakup before. People remember that Shanny 231 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: released a breakup YouTube video all about him, only then 232 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: a few months later to reveal that they were back together. 233 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: See that video attracted millions of views. I feel like 234 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: this is probably what Madison was hoping for by potentially 235 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: doing her own tell all about him. It makes me 236 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: think though, that maybe she didn't divulge more because she 237 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: was hoping to rekindle a relationship with him. So after 238 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: that very vague statement, Caitlin and Madison did have a 239 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: quite humorous conversation about a lot of followers had pointed 240 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: out that they mustn't be broken up because they haven't 241 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: unfollowed each other this time, and that's when Madison did 242 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: say she was trying to be more mature from this process. 243 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: It's really disappointing because their whole podcast is about opening 244 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: up about relationships and giving advice on relationships, so I 245 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,599 Speaker 1: feel like it would have been the perfect platform to 246 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: explain what had happened. They never say anything about relationships. 247 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, Oh we'll touch on one thing, but we're 248 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: not actually going to go into it. It's like, I'm sorry, 249 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: but the point of having a podcast, a dating advice podcast, 250 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: is about sharing your own experiences that other people can 251 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: learn from. Can you imagine if Call Her Daddy, if 252 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 1: Alex Cooper from Call Her Daddy was like, sorry, not 253 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: going to go into my sex life. Sorry, not going 254 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: to go into my relationship. Like of course she gives 255 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: pseudo names for the people, so it's a little bit easier. 256 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: But I mean, just tell us why you broke up. 257 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: We all want to know. I think it also gets awkward, 258 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: particularly when influencers to out that they're being real and 259 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: raw and showing you that they're their life and talking 260 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: about their life when it seems very manufactured and very 261 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: cherry picked. Particularly now that these signs have come out 262 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: that the pair are potentially back together. So Kate, what 263 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: are the signs that they are back together? Well? On Tuesday, 264 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: Madison released a vlog called Furniture Deliveries and Office Space. 265 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: I love the names of these logs, so just crack 266 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: me out, like the way you're saying, like it's super serious. 267 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: I know, well, the video was a pretty uneventful nineteen 268 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: minute diary of a week in her life in lockdown, 269 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: and I mean, to be honest, I was pretty bored 270 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: throughout it. She updated her followers on new pieces of 271 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 1: furniture for her office and her skin care regime, so 272 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: it was pretty pretty normal video. She's in lockdown, Kate, 273 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: It's not going to be super interesting, is it. Yeah, 274 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: but they're not that different when she's not in lockdown, 275 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: to be honest, anyway, some absolute sleuths have spotted at 276 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: the eleven forty minute of the video, just to be precise, 277 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: if you want to go check it out Jonathan's reflection 278 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: in Madison's mirror. So funnily enough, Madison is making herself 279 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: an aperol sprits, and she's making a big deal saying 280 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: that she bought all these spirits and mixes for her friends. However, 281 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: of course they're not going to be over for a 282 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: long time, so she's gonna, you know, just drink it herself. 283 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,599 Speaker 1: This is quite disingenuous because it's fairly obvious when you 284 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: do spot Jonathan in the reflection that she's not drinking 285 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: by herself, So why make such a big deal about it. 286 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 1: It was funny because some viewers also picked up on 287 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: the fact that Madison kept using the words wei rather 288 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: than I. So, for instance, she said, we are going 289 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: to make some lunch and we might make something for dinner. 290 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: And she was replying to a couple of these comments 291 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: under the YouTube video, and it was all like, oh, whoops. 292 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: I'm so used to saying we because I'm used to 293 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: living with a housemate. So after seeing these comments, I 294 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: was like, God, I've got to watch this video a 295 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: bit more closely because I basically fell asleep on the 296 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: couch when watching it for the first time. So I 297 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: went back and I watched her poor the cocktail, and 298 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: I saw Jonathan in the reflection. And this was on 299 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: Saturday night. Now, the next day, she woke up and 300 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: went to get a coffee and how to walk at 301 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: the beach. Now I feel like a real investigator because 302 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: I paused the screen and I noticed that she's wearing leggings, 303 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: white long socks, and white sneakers. Now you can also 304 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: see Jonathan's shadow next to her on the ground, while 305 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: I'm presuming it's Jonathan. Then Jonathan, on the same day 306 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: has uploaded a Instagram story of his feet next to 307 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: a girl's fee and guess what, they're a bloody match. 308 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: It's Madison's feet. So he seems more keen for people 309 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: to actually know that they're back together, whereas she seems 310 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: to be hiding it a little bit more. Oh my god. 311 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: And also he won't stop liking her photos and instagram 312 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: literally every photo of hers he liked, Well, we're trying 313 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: to win her back. Yeah, well again. I was tasked 314 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: with investigating this. I took it very seriously, and in 315 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: the last month, Madison has posted thirty nine photos which 316 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: Jonathan has liked all of them. I did find it 317 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: extra interesting because when Jonathan posted his legs, he was 318 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: wearing like a green tracksuit and he posted all these 319 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: like posy photos of himself at the beach in the tracksuit, 320 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: so I think Madison also took the photos. So I 321 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: feel like this is very clear that they're back on again. 322 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: But what does this mean for the New South Wales's 323 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: COVID rules? Because Madison and Jonathan are both living in 324 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: Greater Sydney, and obviously the state is in lockdown currently 325 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: and there are some rules regarding visiting people's houses. It's funny, 326 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: you say, that because I did know under one of 327 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: Jonathan's rather stage modeleesque photos that someone said, how the 328 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: fuck are you taking these photos of yourselves? Of yourself 329 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: in lockdown? He posted a few new reels as well, 330 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: and I thought, this is not a housemate who was 331 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: filmed these reels. It's clearly Madison. You need to know 332 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: sort of what you're doing. And the reels looked good. Well, 333 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: let's get into the rules. Because as of the thirty 334 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: first of July, people who live alone can nominate a 335 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: visitor as part of a singles bubble. So once the 336 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: singles bubble is formed, the person cannot change the nominated 337 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: person for the extended stay at home order. So the 338 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: rule allows people living alone to socialize with one nominated 339 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: visitor at their house, so the nominated person cannot be 340 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: in a bubble with anyone else. The person must also 341 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: be living or staying in Greater Sydney, including the Blue 342 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: Mountains and Woolen Gong, and must not live in the 343 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: local government areas of concern. But interestingly, if you are 344 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: in Greater Sydney, you don't actually have to register your 345 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: nominated visitor. Yeah, it's a tricky one because we are 346 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: living in South Australia, so it's hard to get our 347 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: head around all of the rules, particularly when the rules 348 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 1: are broken up to different local government areas. I suppose 349 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a gray area because Caitlyn 350 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: was living with Madison for a few weeks before she 351 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: moved into her new apartment. So perhaps now since Caitlyn 352 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: has moved out, because you have to be living alone 353 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: in order to set up an actual singles bubble, so 354 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: perhaps since perhaps Caitlyn was never a part of her bubble, 355 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: perhaps she was considered a housemate, and now she has 356 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: coupled up. Sounds very Love Island bubbled up with Jonathan. 357 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: So what do you guys think though of making someone 358 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: who is your ex boyfriend part of your bubble. I 359 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: think it's a very dangerous move because unfortunately we don't 360 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: know how long this lockdown is going to last in Sydney. 361 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: So if you're making your ex boyfriend you're one single 362 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: person that you can meet up with. What happens when 363 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: you have an argument? I mean the fact that you 364 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: don't actually have to register the person in your bubble. 365 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: That's a bit of a gray area because clearly people 366 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: are just going to be swapping and switching through they're 367 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: a person is yeah, well, officially you're not allowed to switch. 368 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: So once you've nominated someone, they are the person that 369 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 1: you have to have in your bubble for the extended 370 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: stay at home order. So it is rather dangerous if 371 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: you are selecting someone that you know you may have 372 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: an argument with. Because I'm surprised that Madison wouldn't have 373 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: picked her friend Lexi Murray because both of them have 374 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: gone through breakups. I believe both of them live quite 375 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: close by to each other. I find it interesting that 376 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: Madison actually hasn't said anything about this single bubble and 377 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: who's a part of her bubble. It was rather interesting 378 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: because in Madison's recent podcast, she did a Q and A, 379 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: and a lot of listeners wrote in asking why is 380 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: Jonathan continuing to like your photos? What is going on there? 381 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: And basically she said that they weren't back together, but 382 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: they were just friend They were friends and they're, you know, 383 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: on very good terms with one another at the moment. However, 384 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: then people are writing in her comments saying, oh, drinking 385 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: alone with a man in the mirror, and she responds, 386 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: ha ha ha, I was drinking alone, So I'm really confused, 387 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of deflection going on. I just 388 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: think that she should be honest about Maybe it's because 389 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: of the rules, maybe because there is such a gray 390 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: area and a lot of influence has been called out 391 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: right now. I think she said that she was drinking 392 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: alone because Jonathan no longer drinks alcohol, So I think 393 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: it was a real loophole to be like, oh, well, 394 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: officially I was drinking alone. Do you think it's a 395 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: bit of a tension seeking behavior or do you think 396 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: she's just been caught out. I think she was caught 397 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: out because I still do not know how that person 398 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: spotted it because it was so hard to actually see. 399 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: I think it's more of a case of Jonathan wants 400 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 1: to make it look like they're back together, whereas for her, 401 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: I don't think she I think she wants to keep 402 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: it on the down low. Can somebody call me an 403 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: ambulance because I'm in trouble. Time is moving really really 404 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: slowly and everything is flat. I need you to call 405 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: me an ambulance or failing that. YouTube power couple Zoela 406 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,239 Speaker 1: and her boyfriend Alfie have announced the arrival of their 407 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: baby girl. The pair made the announcement on Instagram, surprising 408 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: fans with the unusual baby name. Yeah. So, instead of 409 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: keeping fans hanging with a name reveal like so many 410 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: influencers do on YouTube, they posted a photo of their 411 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: baby girl with the caption She's here Meet Ottilia Rue 412 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: born on the twenty ninth eight, twenty twenty one. So 413 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: followers were quick to comment on what they said was 414 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 1: an unusual name. It is really unusual. I have never 415 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: heard that name before. It does sound quite fancy. Well. 416 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: The name Attilia actually comes from the French word meaning 417 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: prosperous in battle, and it's also the female version of 418 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: the name Otto Well. According to the Telegraph, apparently in 419 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen it made the list of popular names, but 420 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: it was one of the more unusual names that made 421 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: that list. It's a very posh name though, and apparently 422 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one is all about posh names in the UK. 423 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: So I feel like this name is gonna start popping 424 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: up everywhere. It's a bit like when Mason started popping 425 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: up when Courtney Kardashian had Mason, and now I hear 426 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: of so many Masons around. I feel like Zoella's pregnancy 427 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: has been so quick it seems like just yesterday that 428 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: they both announced they were having a baby, and they 429 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: really have done a good job at documenting the process. 430 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: So I am interested to see whether we get a 431 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: labor blog. However, I almost think that it's not really 432 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: her style to do this sort of video. It's almost 433 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: seems to be unclassy. Yeah, with a name like Attilia, 434 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: I don't think she's going to be getting a labor blog, 435 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: but I could be wrong. I mean, it just depends 436 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: how much they want to monetize this pregnancy, and they 437 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: have done a lot of pregnancy videos. I always love 438 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: seeing how the consistency of video goes once they have 439 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: the baby, because I feel like a lot of YouTubers are, yeah, 440 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: we're going to pump out heaps of content and then 441 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: the real reality of motherhood starts to creep in. Well. 442 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: Zoella disappeared for about three to four months when she 443 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: first found out she was pregnant because she was very 444 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: sick during her pregnancy, so I wouldn't be surprised if 445 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: we don't see a video for a while. The only 446 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: way that we might get a labor log is if 447 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: it has been professionally filmed by a production company, and 448 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm very classy. Yeah, and Kat, you do say that 449 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: they have somewhat monetized this pregnancy. However, I really love 450 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: the fact that they didn't keep us waiting with the 451 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: name and just announced it. So keep walking, big bog. Actually, 452 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,479 Speaker 1: I don't want to fucking speak to you right now 453 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: because I don't want to scream at you. 454 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 2: I can't scream at me. I want to. 455 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: Speak to you so speed, but I don't want to 456 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: speak to you because right now you look like two 457 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: face preck. YouTuber Danny Mansuiti is back in Hotel Quarantine 458 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: and Melbourne after officially moving home from the UK. In 459 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: a recent Q and A, Danny opened up about what 460 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: it feels like to return to a city in lockdown, 461 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: why she's returned home, and most importantly, what's happened to 462 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: her Pugbean. I feel like we've got to get into 463 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: what's going on with Danny's dog because it has been 464 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: a contentious issue on her channel for a while because 465 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: a number of years ago, Danny was accused of mistreating 466 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: her pug Beans. So there was a video that Danny 467 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: put out and a lot of people accused her of 468 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: keeping beans in a dark room and said that there 469 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: was pool all over the walls and he'd been locked 470 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: away for ten hours. Now. She was called selfish for 471 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: getting a dog because she was known to be a 472 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: travel vlogger and she's always away, so people were questioning, well, 473 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: who's going to be looking after this dog now. This 474 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: drama got so big that Jeffrey Star got involved and 475 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: he tweeted her saying, you abuse your dog and or 476 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: a piece of shit, anything you say is automatically invalid. 477 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: So since this whole dog drama, a lot of followers 478 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: have been constantly asking about Beans's welfare, and now that 479 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: Danny is back in Australia, a lot of people are asking, well, 480 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: where's your dog. I feel like it's really good that 481 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: Danny did open up about what is happening to Beans, because, 482 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: as you say, she would have been receiving so many 483 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: questions about it. So she revealed that Beans will in 484 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: fact be flying back to Australia. However, it does come 485 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: with an eight thousand dollars price tag, which is quite 486 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: interesting because Danny has opened up about how she is 487 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: struggling financially at the moment, and that's after she got 488 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: her breast implant surgery and then subsequent removal, and she's 489 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: also gone through some very costly moving expenses. What has 490 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: also made Beans's return slightly more difficult is the fact 491 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: that he is a flatnoseed dog. So apparently a lot 492 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: of airlines don't like to allow these dogs to fly 493 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: because they have a lot of breathing issues. However, Danny 494 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: has said that she's taken Beans to the vet and 495 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: the vet has confirmed that he is very fit and 496 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: healthy and is able to fly. I was kind of 497 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: surprised she would open up about this, because, as you say, Kate, 498 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of accusations thrown her way about 499 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: the treatment of her dog. I suppose because she is 500 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: confirming she's been to a vet who's approved all of this, 501 00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: maybe she thinks that she's not going to cop any 502 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: from it. I feel like she's gotten to the point 503 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: where she just has to be transparent with what's going on, 504 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: and I think she would actually cop more flak if 505 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: she decided that she was leaving him back in the UK. 506 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 507 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: Well, she said that he's currently with her Auntie at 508 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: the moment in Yorkshire having a great time, So I'm 509 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: happy for Beans. It is coming to Australia, he'll probably 510 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: have a great, great trip over her. Well, did she 511 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: explain why she's actually moving back, Well, she said that 512 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: it's to do with the pandemic. She said it gave 513 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: her a different outlook on things and she felt so 514 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: far away from her parents that it was really important 515 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: for her to have that quality time with them while 516 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: she can. How do you guys feel about Danny Mansudin 517 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: being let back into Australia for a second time, because 518 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: it was very controversial the last time she got an 519 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: exemption to come back into Australia and this is when 520 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: she did decide to make the move, so she had 521 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: to fly back to the UK to pack all their 522 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: stuff up and tie up any loose ends. But I 523 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: kind of find it disturbing how easily she keeps managing 524 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: to get back into the country when there are so 525 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: many other people out there that seem to be on 526 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: a waiting list and also don't have the funds to 527 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: pay for these very expensive overseas flights. Well, it does 528 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: seem to be rules for some and rules for others. 529 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: We've seen lots of celebrities as well that have been 530 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: allowed to come into the country through exemptions, and it 531 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: does seem like a lot of quote everyday people seem 532 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: to be the ones who are stuck overseas and having 533 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: difficulty getting back. Yeah, I feel like there's not so 534 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: much anger around it this time because last time Danny 535 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: was coming from the UK, which was lockdown at the time, 536 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: to Melbourne where it had just opened up. However, this 537 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: time she's going from the UK that's all opened up 538 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: back into a lockdown in Melbourne. So I feel like 539 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: perhaps it won't piss off as many people. Yeah. Well, 540 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: she was actually asked that question how she felt about 541 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: leaving freedoms to come to a city that was in lockdown, 542 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: and she said that I'm not in Australia party or 543 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: go wild. I'm here to be back with my family, 544 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: and lockdown or not, it wouldn't change our plans of 545 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: being together. She also left it with a pretty interesting 546 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 1: stat so she said the overall she has spent ten 547 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: months in lockdown, plus three months living with restrictions and 548 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: thirty days of hotel isolation. So she said that at 549 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: the moment, really she's more used to restrictions than having 550 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: no restrictions in her life. Well, she was partying in 551 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: Mickinos before she made the trip back to Australia, So 552 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: my heart doesn't bleed that much for her. A lot 553 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: of us would be loving to go overseas at the moment. 554 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: So just waiting for our taxi and Michael literally just 555 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: asks the best question, you know how He's like really 556 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: good with geography and all of that good stuff. He's like, 557 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: don't film this, but can I ask your own question? 558 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: He said, are we still in the world like that 559 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: little blue ball? Are we like there? And I'm like, well, yeah, 560 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: Bally is in ear. After six months away, Michael Finch 561 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: has returned to YouTube, revealing he will now be posting 562 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: weekly content. In the last ten days, Michael shared three 563 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: new YouTube videos and told his audience, if you think 564 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to upload and then fuck off again, it's 565 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: not happening. I'm here every week again, bitch, So get 566 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: used to me. I for one, am very excited about 567 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: this revelation. Amy, Can you talk us through what type 568 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: of content Michael has been sharing? Yeah? Well, his first 569 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: video back was entitled life is so Great I'm back 570 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: and the new vibe of his vlogs is basically healthy living. 571 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: So Michael has been sharing lots of healthy recipes and 572 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: lifestyle tips on his Instagram, so it's really not surprising 573 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: this content is now appearing on his YouTube channel. I 574 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: really loved that he seemed so focused on this new 575 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: lapel microphone that he has, so he seemed like he 576 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: was trying to, you know, take on board the TikTok 577 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: style where people hold the microphone instead of actually putting 578 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: it on their collar, and he kept getting so frustrated 579 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: with it. I think it was literally because he actually 580 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: couldn't work out the clip, that's what he said. I'm 581 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: really interested to see how this return goes for Michael 582 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: Finch because I feel like getting the new lapel mike 583 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: and the new fancy equipment kind of reminds me of 584 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: the evolution that Annasdosiah kings North is currently going through. 585 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: So she's one of our favorite UK influencers we often 586 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: talk about and she was very much known for vlogging 587 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: at her family home and being around a little brother 588 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: and her mum. However, she's now made the move to 589 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: live by herself in Manchester and she's got her two 590 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: new friends involved in the vlogs and she's got all 591 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: the lapel mix and stuff. But people are saying, we 592 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: don't actually like the new content we liked when you 593 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: were real and raw at home. So I'm interested to 594 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: see because Michael Finch had a reputation for being quite vulgar, hilarious, 595 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,239 Speaker 1: posting a lot of makeup videos, and also hanging out 596 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: with all his influencer friends, so sometimes when they start 597 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: bringing in new characters to the videos, people don't like them. 598 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting that his second video featured 599 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley, because I feel like they could be a 600 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: very good duo on YouTube together. Well. The thing is, though, 601 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: just back to the quality of the content. I actually 602 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: think it's been shown that people enjoy consuming content that 603 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: isn't that high quality, especially when it comes to vlogs. 604 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 1: I heard Sarah's Day talking about it the other day 605 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: how when she tried to produce really high quality content, 606 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: she picked up her vlog camera less. And it's quite 607 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: funny because being a videographer, I do sort of notice 608 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: the quality of some videos. And I actually thought the 609 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: audio was worse with the microphone because I think it 610 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: was too close to his mouth. But it's good he 611 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: is trying to make it better quality. Can I just 612 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: say I think he only had a microphone. He wasn't 613 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: doing anything else that revolutionary. What I did notice though, 614 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: was that he has really seemed to have downsized with 615 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: his house, so he's living in quite a modest rental property. 616 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: Because for those who don't follow Michael, those who haven't 617 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: followed Michael Finch, he usually has quite lavish, you know, 618 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: five bedroom houses in Brisbane, and now it just looks like, 619 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: you know, your regular rental property. It's probably because he's 620 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: sort of stopped doing YouTube and a lot of Instagram 621 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: content for a number of years, so he probably doesn't 622 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: have the same amount of money. But interestingly, he has 623 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: addressed on his Insta story that he has deleted his 624 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory and he would not be bringing them back. 625 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: If this had something to do with the current climate, 626 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: and also him being quite perceptive of the fact that 627 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: influencers are copying it for being anti lockdown, anti vax 628 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: and maybe he was concerned that he might be put 629 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: in that same category. Well, I suppose if you're tatting 630 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: yourself as a bit of a conspiracy theorist, maybe people 631 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: will just assume that you are those things. Well, let's 632 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: be honest. That content did not take off for him. 633 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: I never watched it, and I used to be an 634 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: og Michael Finch YouTube viewer. I do think he's been 635 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: smart to remove that type of content because all these 636 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: forums like Tea Time on the Internet. I think I 637 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: saw some posts that people were screenshotting things that he'd 638 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: been liking on Twitter, like questionable things around like pandemics 639 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: and that type of content. So I feel like now 640 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people are thinking shit, I can't be 641 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: seen to be liking and promoting these things anymore. Well, 642 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: it seems this hiatus on YouTube has affected his views 643 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: because on average, his last three videos have received around 644 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: fifty thousand views, which is very low for him because 645 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: previously he was getting on average around three hundred thousand views. 646 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: And not surprisingly, he is hemorrhaging followers by the day. 647 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: In the last thirty days, according to Social Blade, he's 648 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: lost four thousand followers on YouTube, and two thousand of 649 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: those followers were in the last ten days, so they 650 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: are after he shared new content. So it seems like 651 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: people aren't really liking the content. I don't necessarily think 652 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: it's not because people aren't liking the content, it's the 653 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: fact that he's changing and evolving, so he's going to 654 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: get new followers on the way that relate to the 655 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: content he's putting out. Personally, I think the content is 656 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: a lot better and it seems a lot more genuine. 657 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: I agree. And you've got to remember that the girls 658 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: who would have followed him around five years ago, they've 659 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: probably all grown up now and probably aren't interested in 660 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: the same sort of influences that they once were. Him 661 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: popping back up in their YouTube fees probably reminded them, 662 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: oh shit, I forgot I was even subscribed to him, 663 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: and that might be a reason behind all the unfollows. Well, 664 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: that's all we've got time for today. 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