1
00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,280
Speaker 1: Darwin business busy relocating to another site. Well, they were

2
00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,280
Speaker 1: targeted by a group of youths who allegedly stole the

3
00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,920
Speaker 1: car keys then tried to flee the scene. Now joining

4
00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,080
Speaker 1: me on the line to tell us a little bit

5
00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:16,720
Speaker 1: more about the ordeal is Ross. Good morning to your Ross.

6
00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,279
Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie. How are you today? Good?

7
00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks so much for your time. Ross. Tell

8
00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:23,680
Speaker 1: me what happened earlier in the week.

9
00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,080
Speaker 2: So, as you know, Katie, our business Oldipooch is moving

10
00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,600
Speaker 2: to Bishop Street and we'll flat out Monday trying to

11
00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,000
Speaker 2: do that, start for in and out of the loading

12
00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:39,840
Speaker 2: doctor whole time, and four young youths about ten years

13
00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:45,160
Speaker 2: old twelve years old came through waved at my wife

14
00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,480
Speaker 2: and what you didn't know at the time is they'd

15
00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,560
Speaker 2: already been into the front of the van and stole

16
00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,600
Speaker 2: several cents of keys with different fobs and access keys,

17
00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,760
Speaker 2: and then took off and continue to engage with or

18
00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,720
Speaker 2: torment several other businesses in the area as well. And

19
00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,720
Speaker 2: that was pretty devastating enough when we found out that

20
00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:10,160
Speaker 2: they had taken the keys to our delivery van, Katie.

21
00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,920
Speaker 2: But then about an hour later and we reported this

22
00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,600
Speaker 2: to the police. An hour later, they came back. Now

23
00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,040
Speaker 2: one can only assume they're coming back because no police

24
00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,720
Speaker 2: had turned up, so they knew there was no worry

25
00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,880
Speaker 2: about any consequences for taking our keys, so they were

26
00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,560
Speaker 2: then most likely ready to take our van. So it

27
00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,240
Speaker 2: had gone from just stealing some keys repair cost one

28
00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,840
Speaker 2: thousand dollars to preparing to steal a thirty thousand dollars

29
00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,400
Speaker 2: van and then perhaps joy ride will put the public

30
00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,319
Speaker 2: at risk and obviously our business at a great deal

31
00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:52,120
Speaker 2: of loss. So, as you know, Okadie, I've been a

32
00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,520
Speaker 2: former police officer, so I was happy to go and

33
00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,960
Speaker 2: try and get our keys back and try and get

34
00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,360
Speaker 2: these kids to at least have a chat with the police.

35
00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,640
Speaker 2: So I took chase after them into the bushes and

36
00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,200
Speaker 2: one of them fell over, And at the same time,

37
00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm speaking to my wife, and she called Triple O

38
00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,880
Speaker 2: to say that I was actively pursuing three to four

39
00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:25,640
Speaker 2: youth five minutes before she could get through on Triple O, Katie,

40
00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:35,520
Speaker 2: five minutes five five minutes. Now, I'm pretty safe myself. However,

41
00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,680
Speaker 2: that's still five minutes. What if it had been a

42
00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,440
Speaker 2: young lady getting attacked in a shopping center or someone else,

43
00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,560
Speaker 2: or five minutes on a triple O call is ridiculous.

44
00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:49,320
Speaker 2: And then we never saw police. We never saw the Nolan,

45
00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:55,320
Speaker 2: Turkey police turn up at all. So at the same time,

46
00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,880
Speaker 2: one of those youths jumped over the fence into the

47
00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,880
Speaker 2: airport precinct and we saw the AFP and the airport

48
00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:07,040
Speaker 2: team do a very extensive search for that person, which

49
00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,919
Speaker 2: unfortunately I didn't get, but they did a very good

50
00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,720
Speaker 2: job of doing that. But the NT police still didn't

51
00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:15,160
Speaker 2: turn up.

52
00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:21,359
Speaker 1: And Ross I understand that these kids actually had an

53
00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,359
Speaker 1: AX with them as well.

54
00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we didn't heart this at the time, and

55
00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,680
Speaker 2: to be honest, it wouldn't have changed my personal position

56
00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,960
Speaker 2: because of my experience, and I know I'm slightly different

57
00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,000
Speaker 2: than many people out there in public. Where I went

58
00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,240
Speaker 2: back to where I first engaged them chasing them, I

59
00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,520
Speaker 2: saw one fall over and I went to that location

60
00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,360
Speaker 2: looking for keys and the like that they'd stolen with

61
00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,600
Speaker 2: the crime that they committed, and I found a tomahawk

62
00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,720
Speaker 2: ran new tomahawk, which most likely had been stolen from

63
00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,960
Speaker 2: Bunnings down the road from us. So that means Katie,

64
00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,880
Speaker 2: because police haven't been able to turn up because the

65
00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,600
Speaker 2: resources have been surged into our spring, or surge to

66
00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,560
Speaker 2: wherever you like. They've gone through four to five businesses

67
00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:15,840
Speaker 2: in our precinct whilst armed with tomahawk. They've gone into

68
00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,880
Speaker 2: the gym, bloody car rentals, the plumbing store, and the

69
00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,960
Speaker 2: ice skating ring. Yeah, armed with a tomahawk, Katie. And

70
00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,560
Speaker 2: because for some reason, we seem including our politicians, want

71
00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:34,599
Speaker 2: to ignore small crime and downplay it is anti social baby,

72
00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,800
Speaker 2: it's not. It's crime. They're going unchecked and they're going

73
00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:44,440
Speaker 2: to get more brazen. And these were young youth, not intoxicated. Yeah, exactly,

74
00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:45,800
Speaker 2: armed in public.

75
00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,400
Speaker 1: Which you know is exactly what everybody's been saying over

76
00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,960
Speaker 1: the last week or so two ross like, it's we

77
00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,719
Speaker 1: all understand what's unfolding in Alice Springs. We all understand

78
00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,359
Speaker 1: that alcohol is an issue, but we've got a couple

79
00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,440
Speaker 1: of very serious situations here. We've got the alcohol issue,

80
00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,960
Speaker 1: but we've also got a serious problem with youth crime

81
00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,000
Speaker 1: and we have had for a long time.

82
00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,480
Speaker 2: We have to be honest, Katie, we need to one

83
00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,400
Speaker 2: of the things that some of the politicians need to

84
00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,520
Speaker 2: stop using as any of the ethnicity of anyone committing

85
00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,719
Speaker 2: a crime. They need to stop over using the word

86
00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,880
Speaker 2: antisocial behavior because they're trying to wash down a crime,

87
00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:28,279
Speaker 2: which could be disorderly conduct or riteous evasive behavior as

88
00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,000
Speaker 2: just anti social behavior. But if we actually engage with

89
00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,719
Speaker 2: people when they're just a little bit disorderly, borderline committing

90
00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,599
Speaker 2: a crime, we might stop them from committing a crime.

91
00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,760
Speaker 2: We have the time to talk to them, to engage

92
00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,240
Speaker 2: them in a different way. There's no use trying to

93
00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,159
Speaker 2: set up programs after they've committed crimes. And there's no

94
00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,239
Speaker 2: use talking to someone who's committed a crime months later

95
00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,560
Speaker 2: to say, you really were a naughty boy that day.

96
00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,000
Speaker 2: How that we fix it. So we need to be

97
00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,920
Speaker 2: able to have enough staff and off to deal with

98
00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,360
Speaker 2: crimes as they could. What happened to us Monday, Katie

99
00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,239
Speaker 2: was a crime. We can't downplay that. And just because

100
00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,760
Speaker 2: we're lucky and it's only one thousand dollars worth of

101
00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,720
Speaker 2: re keying and the like, it's a thirty thousand dollars

102
00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:18,400
Speaker 2: crime if they.

103
00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,360
Speaker 1: Got away with the van, well that's exactly right, you know,

104
00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,800
Speaker 1: but property crime is not like, it's not just a

105
00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,640
Speaker 1: non event. And I think that you're spot on in

106
00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,719
Speaker 1: the sense that you've said, you know, this kind of

107
00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,920
Speaker 1: thing is happening so often that it is like it's

108
00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,440
Speaker 1: almost desensitizing us all to the fact that we've got

109
00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,640
Speaker 1: this escalation in the level of crime, and this escalation

110
00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, in the type of behavior that we're seeing

111
00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,520
Speaker 1: from young people as well. You know, I could tell

112
00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,719
Speaker 1: you five people I know that have had their keys

113
00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,760
Speaker 1: stolen in the last few months, and they may not

114
00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,360
Speaker 1: have gotten away with the vehicle in some cases they have,

115
00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,880
Speaker 1: but you're right, it is a crime.

116
00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,239
Speaker 2: It is. I know about people that haven't made public

117
00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,960
Speaker 2: that they've had the house raided at night with their

118
00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,880
Speaker 2: kids and they had the whole front door kicked in

119
00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:13,640
Speaker 2: while they're inside. That never made the public attention. There's

120
00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:18,120
Speaker 2: so many crimes going underreported and underspoken about, and we

121
00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,800
Speaker 2: constantly see people were saying, it's just it's a little

122
00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,160
Speaker 2: bit anti social behavior. You know, it's a crime. Katie,

123
00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,960
Speaker 2: You and I and all the great listeners in the

124
00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,200
Speaker 2: territory should be the first person that any government cares about.

125
00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,880
Speaker 2: We should be carrying about the victims and the public

126
00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:38,480
Speaker 2: and then worry about the criminals later. One thing I

127
00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,520
Speaker 2: know I've heard you talk about the flaw pricing, and

128
00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,400
Speaker 2: there's certainly debates about that, but we've thrown because they've

129
00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,560
Speaker 2: changed the floor closing, we've thrown a massive amount of

130
00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:54,480
Speaker 2: weapons in the form of glass spirit bottles out there

131
00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,840
Speaker 2: into the street for those that get intoxicated to then

132
00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,720
Speaker 2: use against their partners before the silver bladder really hurt

133
00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,480
Speaker 2: no one physically, but those glass bottles are now a

134
00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,880
Speaker 2: massive weapon, and if you dug into the nurses and

135
00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,680
Speaker 2: I like, you'll see a lot of actual injuries from

136
00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:17,560
Speaker 2: that glass as well. But if we can have a

137
00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,080
Speaker 2: greater involvement from our police and they're not drawn down

138
00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,520
Speaker 2: and taken everywhere else as a crime first occurs, if

139
00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,680
Speaker 2: we can deal with it, including the lower level crimes,

140
00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,320
Speaker 2: we're probably going to be able to stop the upper

141
00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,800
Speaker 2: level crimes before they become serious.

142
00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:40,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Ross, Ross Bolan, of course, you and your

143
00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,680
Speaker 1: lovely wife Hannah have got Aussie pooch. You know, it's

144
00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,000
Speaker 1: terrible to hear that that has happened to you guys

145
00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,480
Speaker 1: earlier this week. I really appreciate you coming on the

146
00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,400
Speaker 1: show and having a chat to me this morning, and yeah,

147
00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:55,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

148
00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,640
Speaker 2: I'd love to talk to any time, Katie. You know,

149
00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,360
Speaker 2: you know my background though, and I'll do the best

150
00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:07,400
Speaker 2: for you to always stay bipartisan. But we're hopefully looking

151
00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,240
Speaker 2: forward to seeing you and your husband come and visit

152
00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,880
Speaker 2: us at the new Bishop Street facility. It's just this

153
00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,720
Speaker 2: is really put it down or on our on our move,

154
00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,920
Speaker 2: and it certainly put a shock that those kids went

155
00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,800
Speaker 2: armed into all those other stores that have been our

156
00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,160
Speaker 2: neighbors for the last five years. And that excars me

157
00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:24,800
Speaker 2: the greatest.

158
00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,720
Speaker 1: We'll makee all the best with the move and your

159
00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,960
Speaker 1: spot on it does put a down on, you know,

160
00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,960
Speaker 1: on everything, the fact that that's happened. But I appreciate

161
00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,880
Speaker 1: your time this morning. Thanks so much for coming on

162
00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:35,800
Speaker 1: and having your chat with me.

163
00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:37,840
Speaker 2: Thanks Beatie, thanks for us