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Speaker 1: The lifelong number is thirteen eleven fourteen if you need

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Speaker 1: need to call that. Let's get into the details, though,

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Speaker 1: because there's so much to cover here. And Angela Bishop,

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Speaker 1: entertainment editor from Network ten, joins us right now again

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Speaker 1: on Will and what do you hello?

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Speaker 2: Bish, Hello, how are you doing? I've never seen a

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Speaker 2: case like this, I tell ye.

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Speaker 3: He's so staggering. First, really basic question, what has actually

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Speaker 3: been alleged here? What is Sean being accused of?

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Speaker 2: So the charges which sound a bit confusing to us

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Speaker 2: legal system over here, but racketeering sex trafficking by force, fraud,

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Speaker 2: and coercion, but essentially saying that he abused, allegedly abused,

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Speaker 2: coerced and threatened women and others around him to fulfill

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Speaker 2: And this relates to these freak offs, the parties that

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Speaker 3: So they were just a freak off. Is just a

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Speaker 3: party that he would host? Is that right, Andrew? Is

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Speaker 3: there more information on what a freak off is?

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Speaker 2: The freak off was was you know sometimes you know

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Speaker 2: shorn times alleges was consensual and private, but envolved numerous

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Speaker 2: Emily Johnson today said about Cassie Ventura, who's one of

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Speaker 2: the witnesses in the trial, half of every week Cassie

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Speaker 2: gost that was given by the prosecutor today. It's important

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Speaker 2: to say that Sean Comebs maintains that everything was fully conceinered.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he's saying that, Okay, hey, bish, I know sometimes

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Speaker 1: in the States when these trials hit the courts, you

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Speaker 1: in there. You know, watched the Juice as he was

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Speaker 1: these you know, the Amber heard Johnny Depp thing recently

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Speaker 1: is that right now?

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent? We're going on court sketches which show

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Speaker 2: Combs as with gray hair, looking vastly different to how

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Speaker 2: I mean, certainly how he looked when I interviewed him

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a little bit of a flex even

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Speaker 1: He's working with everybody's such as his music. He's the

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Speaker 2: State power was Certainly it's what you would say. So

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Speaker 1: I think the thing that is most terrifying for me

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Speaker 2: No, not in an involvement or implicational level. What some

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the prosecution has said as much, and that forms

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Speaker 1: So what's the difference here?

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Speaker 1: What is he being charged with? Then if the prosecution

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Speaker 2: It's with this coercion, force and fraud forcing people to

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Speaker 1: And that's where the other celebs are tied in right,

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Speaker 2: We don't know that allegedly.

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Speaker 1: and then it's being implied that he's threatening them afterwards

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Speaker 2: As I said, They're expecting to show videos from these

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Speaker 2: The video they did show today was that video that

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Speaker 3: I also read today that there's this victim, Victim three,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just I mean, it's kind of hard to

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Speaker 1: people's lives have been ruined irreparably. It's full on and.

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Speaker 2: It is and it's expected to go for eight weeks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well one hundred perspective, people want to call that

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Speaker 2: And I would suggest that the evidence that's been given

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Speaker 2: and that does affect you. I'd recommend you don't read it.

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Speaker 1: That's that's good for you to mention that. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much and thanks for covering that. I know that's

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Speaker 1: you so much for that. Really appreciate it. Angela Bishop

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Speaker 1: entertaining it at Network tend always a pleasure to have

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Speaker 1: you on the show mate. Thank you,