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Speaker 1: Joining me live in the studio right now is the

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister of the Northern Territory, Leofanocchiaro.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, Katie, and biggest congratulations to you

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Speaker 2: on an epic weekend of success.

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Speaker 3: We're all very proud of you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. And look, I wouldn't be able

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Speaker 1: to do my job without our wonderful listeners who tune

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Speaker 1: in every day, but also very regular guests like yourself.

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Speaker 1: You know, so many of our pollies that rock up

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Speaker 1: even when it's not easy, and you know, make the

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Speaker 1: show what it is, so we're grateful for that.

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Speaker 3: It's a credit to you and Crystal and the entire team.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks so much. Now, look, we know the

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Speaker 1: Masters Games have kicked off in Alice Springs, but it

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Speaker 1: looks as though it's been a busy weekend for police.

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Speaker 1: Ten teenagers allegedly joy riding in stolen cars have been

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Speaker 1: arrested after police vehicles were deliberately.

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Speaker 3: Rammed in the Red Center Now.

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Speaker 1: Two stolen cars were reported as driving dangerously through the

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Speaker 1: CBD about three point forty in the morning on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory police say their vehicle was rammed from behind

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Speaker 1: by one of those stolen cars.

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Speaker 3: Officers then realize the stolen cars were targeting.

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Speaker 1: Their vehicles, those police vehicles, and police allege a second

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Speaker 1: police car was rammed by a stolen vehicle then on

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Speaker 1: Gregory Terrace. Both those incidents resulted in minimal damage and

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Speaker 1: no injuries fortunately, But then at four point fifty in

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Speaker 1: the morning, police spiked one of those alleged stolen vehicles

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Speaker 1: and that was on Telegraph terrorists, leading to the arrest

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Speaker 1: of multiple youths.

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Speaker 3: Now they were.

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Speaker 1: Aged between thirteen and seventeen. Leah, first off, I mean

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Speaker 1: it is so frustrating. I think that this kind of

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Speaker 1: thing just continues to happen. Have you had much of

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Speaker 1: a briefing from police and what's the latest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's disgusting and this behavior is just continuing. I

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Speaker 2: spoke to a few police officers a couple of weeks

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Speaker 2: again by a stolen vehicle with us at the helm.

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Speaker 2: It just shows the lawlessness that there is across the territory,

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Speaker 2: which just reinforces to me and just continues to light

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Speaker 2: that fire in my belly. Katie of why I'm standing

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Speaker 2: here passing laws in parliament over the next two weeks

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Speaker 2: to try and put a stop to this. It's just

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Speaker 2: totally unacceptable. It's dangerous, violent, scary behavior that puts everyone's

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Speaker 2: lives at risk, including the perpetrators. And what was worse

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Speaker 2: coming out out of that in my colleague the Attorney

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Speaker 2: General made it very very clear yesterday is that these

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Speaker 2: kids who were arrested had dozens, dozens and dozens of

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Speaker 2: prior offenses and the laws are just totally inadequate to

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Speaker 2: support police to deal with it.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are probably learning this

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Speaker 1: morning for the first time that one of these children,

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Speaker 1: or one of these young people. I actually don't know

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Speaker 1: the age of this young person, but one of these

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Speaker 1: young people has actually been involved with different incidents or

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's disgusting.

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Speaker 2: And you know it's even worse is that all of

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Speaker 2: the records of these young people, if they had records

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Speaker 2: prior to when they were twelve, bunged by the previous

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Speaker 3: Katie, it's quite extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: We're not talking about kids stealing a loaf of bread

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Speaker 2: because they're hungry. We're talking about people who've been committing

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Speaker 2: crimes for a very very long time and present a continuous,

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Speaker 2: ongoing threat to our community. Now that is devastating. No

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Speaker 2: ten year old is born a criminal. Things have happened

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Speaker 2: in these kids' lives that are totally unacceptable and we're

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Speaker 2: working really hard to deal with those root causes of

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Speaker 2: response and that's why our law reform and our reducing

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Speaker 2: crime package over the next two weeks is so important.

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Speaker 2: It's a crisis response to what is a law and

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Speaker 2: order crisis.

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Speaker 1: Now. I know obviously I should have touched on Parliament

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Speaker 1: sitting tomorrow for the first time, and under the new

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Speaker 1: Children's Commissioner And Hollins and the Social Justice Commissioner Katie

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Speaker 3: The root issues now.

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Speaker 1: Miss Hollins said the Northern Territory government's plan ignored evidence,

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Speaker 1: while Miss Kiss said the change condemned First Nations people

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Speaker 1: proposed laws which will combine reducing the age of criminal

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Speaker 1: have a significant impact on First Nation's children in the

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Speaker 1: child justice system and their families, and that it also

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Speaker 1: undermines the Northern Territory government's commitments under the National Closing

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Speaker 1: the Gap Agreement. Leah first off, to the lowering of

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Speaker 1: the age of criminal responsibility, I mean to me, it

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Speaker 1: seems as though whatever we have been doing for the

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Speaker 1: to say, is not working. So what do you say

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Speaker 1: to those like the National Children's Commissioner and Katie Kiss

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Speaker 2: Well, I wonder where they were seven weeks to go

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Speaker 2: under the previous government, Katie, when they were failing territorians

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Speaker 2: and youth offenders. Ultimately, I would rather that these child

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Speaker 2: protection advocates were actually focused on protecting children. We have

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Speaker 2: kids being born today, kids right now being neglected, abused, malnutritioned,

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Speaker 2: deprived of an education. That's where everyone's focus needs to

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Speaker 2: be and that's what we need to reset. As a

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Speaker 2: sure that we stop the bleed. The bleed being the

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Speaker 2: terrible rates of crime across the territory and so there

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Speaker 2: must be consequences for offending. But make no mistake, our

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Speaker 2: safe and have access to education is the absolute focus,

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Speaker 2: and that's why we make no apologies for going harder

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Speaker 2: to hold parents accountable. It's why we're really focused on

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Speaker 2: making income management referrals to the Commonwealth so that people's

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Speaker 2: on grog. So we make no apologies for taking tough action.

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Speaker 2: Territorians have asked us to do this. They have an

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's sort of like to me reading those

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Speaker 3: So I guess it's going to be a tough juggle.

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Speaker 1: For you now governing for the whole of the Northern

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Speaker 3: But this is about all people.

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Speaker 2: And I can tell you, Katie, and you would have

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Speaker 2: and tired of being victims of crime. They are some

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Speaker 3: Advocates for tougher laws.

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Speaker 2: I've had the number of teos and elders I've had

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Speaker 2: come to me and say, enough is enough, we want

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Speaker 3: It's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: For these people pursuing political commentary to try and make

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Speaker 2: this an issue that it isn't. You know, the law

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Speaker 2: applies equally to everyone. And if you want to close

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Speaker 1: I mean, are you frustrated by people that don't live

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Speaker 2: Oh, of course, but it's they can carry on as

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Speaker 2: much as they like. I think they've got a better

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Speaker 2: to spend it politically commentating and throwing stones at me,

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Speaker 2: good for them. It just means they're not doing their

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Speaker 2: We've got hundreds, if not thousands of them across the

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Speaker 3: And if no one else is going to do it,

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Speaker 3: my government will.

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Speaker 1: Well, Leah, we actually got contacted last week by a

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Speaker 1: One of them was a mum whose young fellas has

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Speaker 1: They've been really help really helpful. Sorry, not the paramedics,

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Speaker 1: that we need for young people in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: So we can talk as much as we like about

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Speaker 1: if we can't actually help a young person who's got

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Speaker 1: that family, what on earth?

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Speaker 3: You know, what on earth are we going to do?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I agree, Katie, And don't get me wrong, there

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Speaker 2: are plenty of problems.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Every day a new labor legacy ends up on my

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Speaker 2: desk and we work through how to fix it. Right,

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Speaker 2: there's no perfect answer to the mess the territories in.

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Speaker 2: But we must move forward and we must every day

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Speaker 2: strive to be better, and that's what we're trying to do.

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Speaker 2: You're right, this is not just about dealing with kids

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Speaker 2: to live strong lives into the future. It's also about

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Speaker 2: making sure our kids have those interventions they need families.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's one thing for a child who's committed

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Speaker 2: But there is this other group of people who are

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Speaker 2: the good parents, who are trying really hard and against

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Speaker 2: all the odds. They just need much stronger support and

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Speaker 2: we've got to be providing opportunities for them as well.

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Speaker 3: So this is absolutely on my radik.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of work we've got to do, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm not shirking that responsibility. Seven weeks in, we've just

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Speaker 2: poured all our energy into making sure this next two

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Speaker 2: weeks of Parliament resets the framework gives our police the

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Speaker 3: But I can tell you over the next four years

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Speaker 3: we would just have to work tirelessly at this.

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Speaker 1: One of the other really practical things that we've been

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Speaker 3: She said.

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Speaker 1: She's also obviously the police have tried to help her.

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Speaker 1: She wants to help her granddaughter not go down this path. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but she's literally written to me saying, you know, she's

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Speaker 2: Yet we will be because what we've seen is more

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Speaker 2: So it's not going back into the community to support

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Speaker 3: It's just not something that we support.

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister. I did notice will quite a notable difference.

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Speaker 2: We're working really consistently across government. So I've sent a

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Speaker 1: Look, there does seem to be so much that you're

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Speaker 2: But our focus for other legislation also includes having earlier

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Speaker 2: But for this one, Katie, we've got the mandate to

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Speaker 3: Proud to deliver on this.

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Speaker 2: Please don't despair. It is happy to get on foot.

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Speaker 2: We've just been really focused on the next two weeks.

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Speaker 3: Share your time. Thank you, Katie, and thank you listeners.

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