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Speaker 1: Three sixties, the week that was the most listened two

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Speaker 1: hour in Territory radio. The Territory Leaders break down this

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Speaker 1: week's big issues.

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Speaker 2: Joining me in the studio right now for the week

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Speaker 2: that was Bradley brought to you by the Silver Hebbron,

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Speaker 2: your local lawyers, and now also broadcasting on ADH from midday,

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Speaker 2: we've got the Opposition leader, Leo Finocchiaro.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Happy Friday.

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Speaker 4: Oh, how good is the weather.

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Speaker 3: It's ridiculously cold.

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Speaker 5: My daughter and I when I dropped her off this money,

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Speaker 5: she said, Mommy, I think I need a jumper, so

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Speaker 5: it's great.

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Speaker 2: Will we hardly even own those? And then we've also

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Speaker 2: got the Tasha Files, the Health Minister, Good morning.

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Speaker 6: To you morning, and a little funny anecdote yesterday morning

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Speaker 6: I walked out and my younger son looked at me and.

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Speaker 3: Was like, what is that? And I was just wearing

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Speaker 3: a jumper.

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Speaker 4: So I don't even know what it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you're thinking were light on this morning.

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Speaker 2: We were due to have Matt Cunningham in the studio

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Speaker 2: as well, but he's out of the press conference. But

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Speaker 2: I don't think that we're going to have any issues

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Speaker 2: discussing everything this morning, ladies.

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Speaker 3: What are you trying to say?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Well, I bet we all speak enough for everyone now.

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Speaker 2: There is actually so much to cover off on this

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Speaker 2: week as well, and I do want to start with

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Speaker 2: the ever moving situation that is COVID nineteen. We started

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Speaker 2: the week with the I think the good announcement that

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Speaker 4: Leah, you went and get more vaccine.

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Speaker 5: I was so excited when the government opened this up.

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Speaker 5: It was long over due. You know, we really need

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Speaker 5: to get as many people tested as possible. So the

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Speaker 5: earliest appointment I could get was yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I stumped up.

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Speaker 5: And you know, it hurt a lot less than the

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Speaker 5: flu shot. And I just really encourage everyone make those

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Speaker 5: bookings as they're already filling up. I mean, I know

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Speaker 5: some people have to wait a couple of weeks now,

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Speaker 5: but find a spot, lock it in, just get it done.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't get in till July one. Now. The

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Speaker 4: oh A bit of a lose, Katie.

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Speaker 2: And as luck would have it, I was probably what

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Speaker 6: It's really important and we thank the Commonwealth Government the

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Speaker 6: Northern Territory as a unique situation and we had seen

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Speaker 6: that there was no phases outside of Darwin, but you know,

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Speaker 6: Darwin is a key service center for the whole territory.

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Speaker 6: People are very transient. Talking to some of the health practitioners,

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Speaker 6: they've been encouraging people to get vaccinated, but you know

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Speaker 6: So over sixty thousand vaccinations have been delivered in the territory.

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Speaker 6: We do ask for a little bit of patience, but

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Speaker 6: it's super easy. Just head to the Coronavirus website and

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Speaker 6: So we do you know, people do need to be patient,

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Speaker 5: And I had mine at the Palmeston Superclinic, so you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I think that like we said, like

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Speaker 2: And look from a very good announcement obviously on Monday,

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Speaker 2: Now there still seems to be a lot of concern

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Speaker 2: We then caught up with Kath following on from a

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Speaker 4: Is that the case so, Katie.

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Speaker 6: There was two separate meetings. The Acting Chief Health Officer,

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Speaker 6: They'd agreed to share their research evidence. And this is

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Speaker 6: a tricky situation, Katie, because you've got two people.

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Speaker 6: You very much respect their views and the research that

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Speaker 2: So it's very different to what kath had said on

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Speaker 6: So Katie, that wasn't in my meeting, and I wasn't

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Speaker 4: But what I can.

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Speaker 6: Confirm and assure territories is right now we've got these

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Speaker 2: But there will not be those rapid antigen tists as

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Speaker 6: I cannot confirm in terms of what may or may

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Speaker 3: But I don't understand this. Natasha.

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Speaker 5: You're the health minister. The buck stops with you. You make

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Speaker 5: the calls, you know, you get the advice from your department,

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Speaker 5: as every minister does, but ultimately it rests with government.

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Speaker 5: If this is something that you see as being an

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Speaker 5: important Oz Matt. We're using it perfectly. That's why we

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Speaker 5: that's a decision for you to make, and I just

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Speaker 6: Well, it's not that it's being devolved out. We listened

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Speaker 3: At risk, I won't do that.

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Speaker 4: I will listen to.

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Speaker 2: The scull our coffee every time he says it.

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Speaker 6: Ready for you know, we have to listen to the

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Speaker 4: We need to be agile in our response. Everybody understands that.

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Speaker 4: Can I just get a yes or no? Will they

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Speaker 6: I can't give you that answer, Katie, because this is

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Speaker 6: But what I can say is that the testing regime

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Speaker 4: He believes that right now we have improved on our.

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Speaker 5: I think that's rubbish because ultimately, as a minister and

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Speaker 5: a community confidence perspective, from a perspective that the staff

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Speaker 5: And so whilst you know, we absolutely support the epidemiologists

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Speaker 5: Natasha is a health minister, why not reinstate it so

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Speaker 5: that you also reinstate community confidence in what's going on

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Speaker 2: Cath I thought to myself that seems like a common

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Speaker 2: I would like to be able to do the nasal

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Speaker 2: swab as I'm leaving each day, why not provide that option.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's move on, but still continue in this

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Speaker 6: So Katie didn't claim that further to your listeners, when

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Speaker 2: A couple of questions, So I've got on those borders.

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Speaker 6: So we need to see what's happening in Queensland. Clearly

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Speaker 1: Three sixties the week it was thanks to the silver

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Speaker 2: You are listening to mix one oh four point nine's

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Speaker 4: It is a real worry.

447
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Speaker 6: Now.

448
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Speaker 2: Then yesterday on the show, we were absolutely inundated with

449
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Speaker 2: phone calls because there was a crash on Baggett Road.

450
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Speaker 2: So essentially that crash on Baggott Road happened just near

451
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Speaker 2: the school there and the traffic was at a standstill.

452
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Speaker 4: But then we learned that that car, one of.

453
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Speaker 2: Those cars, was allegedly stolen, with the occupants now understood

454
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Speaker 2: to be in custody. But yeah, it is certainly pretty

455
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Speaker 2: concerning stuff, particularly when you consider that that literally happened

456
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Speaker 2: at about eleven o'clock yesterday morning.

457
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and we're starting to see this more and more.

458
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Speaker 5: Of course, a few weeks ago we saw the fifteen

459
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Speaker 5: year old drive the stolen car from the eight month

460
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Speaker 5: pregnant woman straight through the Paine glass window at the

461
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 5: Zagalie celebrations, And we're seeing this over and over again.

462
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Speaker 5: It's becoming a common story. And again it comes back

463
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Speaker 5: to our law and order framework. We've got police under

464
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Speaker 5: tremendous pressure, completely overstretch. We've got a government that won't

465
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Speaker 5: come to terms we're dealing with these issues. I mean,

466
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Speaker 5: I'd really love to see, and no one's given it

467
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Speaker 5: to me, but I'd love to see how the new

468
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Speaker 5: bail laws are working. Are people who are on bail

469
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Speaker 5: still offending, and if they are still offending, are they

470
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Speaker 5: still being bailed? We certainly think that they are. I

471
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Speaker 5: mean the government's ring Leader legislation. This seventeen year old

472
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Speaker 5: with an eighteen year old and nineteen year old he

473
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Speaker 5: was with charged under the new ring Leader legislation. I

474
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 5: think the government just can't get a grip on this issue,

475
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Speaker 5: or they just don't want to get a grip on

476
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Speaker 5: this issue.

477
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Speaker 2: She read you out a message that I received yesterday

478
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Speaker 2: from Darren in Stuart Park. Now it said, Hi, Katie,

479
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Speaker 2: the justice system sucks. There were two youths in my

480
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 2: pool yesterday at Stuart Park trespark, both wearing Tracker Ankle bracelets.

481
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 2: I wanted to approach them myself, but I know I'd

482
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 2: get in trouble. I called the police. They came and

483
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 2: took the stolen bikes that took their stolen bikes from

484
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Speaker 2: them and let them go. We've got a huge youth

485
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Speaker 2: crime problem in Darwood at the moment and the Gunner

486
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Speaker 2: government aren't taking it seriously, says says Darren and Stuart

487
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Speaker 2: park yep.

488
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Speaker 5: Because one the police supposed to do with the laws,

489
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Speaker 5: they've got to operate within. And I think this is

490
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Speaker 5: the huge breakdown between the government, the community and the police.

491
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Speaker 5: And we've seen that through satisfaction surveys where eighty ninety

492
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Speaker 5: percent of police said they don't support the Chief Minister

493
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Speaker 5: or the government. The community are just pulling their hair out.

494
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Speaker 5: They feel like nothing they say matters anymore. They're completely

495
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 5: disenfranchised about this whole issue because you know, we will

496
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Speaker 5: promised this toughest ever reform last sittings and what we

497
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Speaker 5: got was worded down bow garbage.

498
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Speaker 3: You know, it's just not wrong.

499
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Speaker 2: Like just even listening to that message, right, Like, so

500
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Speaker 2: you go, if you're talking about two you instead of

501
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Speaker 2: got in electronic monitoring bracelets on. Surely it is a

502
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 2: breach of your bail if you've allegedly stolen bikes, you've

503
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Speaker 2: trespassed into somebody's home as well, just sort of you know,

504
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 2: when you go it.

505
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Speaker 4: Just doesn't make saying.

506
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Speaker 5: But you know what, maybe that wasn't quote unquote a

507
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Speaker 5: serious breach of bail, and so they still have a

508
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 5: presumption in favor of bal and they would have rocked

509
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 5: back up to court if they went to court at all,

510
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 5: and probably got spat back out the system on the

511
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Speaker 5: street to do it all again the next night.

512
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Speaker 3: And that is the fundamental problem. And of course, you know,

513
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Speaker 3: the suite of.

514
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Speaker 5: Reform government promised last sittings was just absolutely watered down, garbage,

515
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Speaker 5: and we're certainly going to be asking a lot of

516
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Speaker 5: questions in estimates over the next two weeks about how

517
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Speaker 5: effective that reform has been.

518
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Speaker 6: So Katie, I can't talk to the specifics of that.

519
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Speaker 6: I don't understand the circumstances of that. And police, we

520
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 6: trust them to do the job you know that they

521
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 6: should do on that and so that you know, would

522
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Speaker 6: be a matter that's probably ongoing investigation. But as a government,

523
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Speaker 6: we've invested more into community safety. We've provided more resources

524
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Speaker 6: to police, more CCTV, more police on the beat, more training.

525
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 6: We're investing in this space, but we've also got to

526
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Speaker 6: deal with these issues before they begin. But it is

527
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Speaker 6: a complex space.

528
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Speaker 8: That our community is in.

529
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Speaker 2: So if we've got more money going into this system,

530
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Speaker 2: if we're doing more, if we've got more police, why

531
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Speaker 2: is it still the problem that it is?

532
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Speaker 4: And why do you think that we're you know, to.

533
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Speaker 2: A lot of people, particularly those who were broken into

534
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Speaker 2: as part of that and crime Spray earlier in the week,

535
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Speaker 2: or those that were caught up you know, in that

536
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 2: traffic jam yesterday, they'd be thinking to themselves, well, it's

537
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Speaker 2: not working.

538
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Speaker 6: Crime at any time, any crime, no matter how minor

539
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Speaker 6: or how to be, is unacceptable and our community shouldn't

540
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Speaker 6: have to put up with it. But for us, we're

541
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Speaker 6: providing those resources to police and a multifaceted approach so

542
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Speaker 6: that they can tackle these issues.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, the police put out a media

544
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Speaker 5: release on this crime sprand said that that's seventeen year old.

545
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Speaker 5: That was a rest of us charged with five counts

546
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Speaker 5: of breaching bail. I mean, I think that's where people

547
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 5: just go, yeah, going on, why are we giving people

548
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 5: endless chances at bail? Bail is you're like, Okay, you've

549
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 5: done the wrong thing, now's your chance behave yourself?

550
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Speaker 3: Well it's but five times seriously.

551
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I know as a parent, like I

552
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Speaker 2: think to myself, if I give my child five chances

553
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Speaker 2: when they've done something really wrong, they're not.

554
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Speaker 3: Going to doesn't send a message. It doesn't send them

555
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Speaker 3: a message.

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Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what the answers are, but I

557
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Speaker 2: feel like we've been banging on about this for such

558
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Speaker 2: a long period of time. I know, even in Alice Springs.

559
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Speaker 2: You know, it feels as though things have quietened down

560
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Speaker 2: to some degree in Alice Springs.

561
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Speaker 4: But they're not really. You know, you're still getting pretty

562
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Speaker 4: serious pressure.

563
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Speaker 2: Releases come through each and every day, or every second day,

564
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Speaker 2: let's say, about things happening in the Allies.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the problem is it's all well and good,

566
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Speaker 5: like no one just wants to just walk around locking

567
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 5: up kids. We totally get that. But ultimately, if you

568
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Speaker 5: have a youth who is a repeat defender I EVE

569
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Speaker 5: five breaches of bowel condition and going on to commit

570
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Speaker 5: more offenses whilst on bail, the government has a decision

571
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Speaker 5: to make. Do we protect the offense and allow them

572
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 5: three million opportunities to get their life back on track,

573
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Speaker 5: or do we protect the people that they then go

574
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Speaker 5: on and victimize. And that's just how brutally honest.

575
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Speaker 3: It has to be.

576
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 5: It's like we have to protect one or the other.

577
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 5: Seemingly we can't do both at the same time. So

578
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 5: if you're going to snub your nose at all the

579
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 5: chances to change your life and you keep offending, really

580
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 5: you have to go to jail because otherwise there will

581
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Speaker 5: be one, two, three, ten more victims as a result

582
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Speaker 5: of not dealing with the offender.

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Speaker 6: Katie, these are complex areas and it's you can't look

584
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Speaker 6: at it simplistically. Victims, we need to support them, We

585
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 6: need to make sure crime stops before it happens. But

586
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Speaker 6: equally we do need to provide those resources into a

587
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Speaker 6: police system, our justice system, and that's what we're doing well.

588
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Speaker 2: And you know what if this if we find that,

589
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: you know, in a couple of months time, this isn't working,

590
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: maybe we need to put eighteen million dollars like we

591
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 2: have in the youth justice system into victims of crime.

592
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Speaker 2: So people can board up their premises, got roller doors

593
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Speaker 2: and things.

594
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Speaker 5: Everywhere, and that is what's happening, you know, like people

595
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 5: are purchasing roller deal as. I mean, the roller doy

596
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 5: industry and the glass industry must be having a wonderful time.

597
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 5: You know, it's just a shame and why do we

598
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,959
Speaker 5: have to do that. You know, we're trying to attract tourists.

599
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 5: We're trying to say come to our vibrant tropical cities

600
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Speaker 5: or our communities right across the territory. You know in

601
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Speaker 5: Alice Springs, crime the number one issue for tourism. You know,

602
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 5: this is an all pervasive issue. It's not just poor

603
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 5: territorians who become the victims. It's the flow on impact

604
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 5: to business and the community. I mean, you know shops

605
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 5: that have been broken into nine, ten times the cost

606
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Speaker 5: of all of those things. It just adds up and

607
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 5: ultimately a lot of people leave because they've had a

608
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Speaker 5: gulp full.

609
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Speaker 2: There is a message here from Edie and it says, Hi, Katie,

610
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Speaker 2: how many times do we have to hear that one

611
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: crime's won too many before the government starts acting to

612
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: protect us. There's another one here, It says, Hi Katie,

613
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Speaker 2: can you please ask why isn't the government doing more

614
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: to get people back to country. If they don't have

615
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: business here, why don't they go home? Katie?

616
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Speaker 6: We have put in significant resources working with Larachian Nation

617
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Speaker 6: to get people back to country. We have seen, you know,

618
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Speaker 6: over the last few months, an increase, we believe. We've

619
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Speaker 6: heard that anecdotally from our health services Larachian Nation. But

620
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 6: we've certainly been putting resources into getting people back to

621
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Speaker 6: country and making sure that they don't get caught up

622
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 6: in duh and unnecessarily and become a burden here in Dul.

623
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Speaker 4: But people do issuing Karama at the moment is.

624
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Speaker 6: People don't have the right to come into any of

625
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Speaker 6: our urban areas and they are service centers. I know

626
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Speaker 6: that public housing has been doing a lot of work

627
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 6: in this space because making sure that it's not just

628
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 6: you know that it is only the tenants that people

629
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Speaker 6: visitors that somehow end up in our public housing properties

630
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Speaker 6: as well. So that describes the complexity of these issues

631
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Speaker 6: that our community has.

632
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but there's not enough coordination, you know. I mean,

633
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Speaker 5: and I've been out. I've done a mobile office in Karama.

634
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 5: I've gone and stood at the supermarket with security and

635
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 5: talk to them about how things are going. You know,

636
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 5: you talk to people. I had a mobile office out

637
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 5: front of Hibiscus shops last week and people were talking

638
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 5: to me about territory housing and just the out of

639
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 5: control behavior that's happen and any social behavior and crime

640
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Speaker 5: that's happening in them. And you know, whenever we issues

641
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 5: with government, it's just you get these you know, wet

642
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 5: mop responses like oh, we're working with the tenant, we're

643
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 5: doing this, we're doing that. It's not enough and in

644
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 5: the meantime, everybody else has to suffer. You know, it's

645
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 5: not okay. It's just not okay. And this guy, I

646
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 5: just don't know why you guys don't want to take

647
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 5: stronger action to have a stronger, safer community, one that

648
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Speaker 5: everyone can enjoy and get on with their lives.

649
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Speaker 2: Katie.

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Speaker 6: Some of these issues, they're difficult and their long term work.

651
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Speaker 6: But I will acknowledge the Minister for Urban Housing, Kate Wooden.

652
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Speaker 6: She's been doing a lot of work in this space

653
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Speaker 6: making sure that people who have public housing are upholding

654
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Speaker 6: their tenancy agreements and that they're not causing problems within

655
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Speaker 6: our community. And so that work certainly is being undertaken.

656
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Speaker 6: And this describes the multifaceted, you know, issues that we

657
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Speaker 6: face across our.

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Speaker 4: Care and it does.

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Speaker 2: But look, I think that people have reached a point

660
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Speaker 2: where they're just going, why have we got a car

661
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Speaker 2: that's stolen on the road at eleven o'clock in the

662
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Speaker 2: morning yesterday, that's then crashed into allegedly into an innocent

663
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Speaker 2: you know, an innocent scaring.

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Speaker 4: On the road in you know, in broad daylight.

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Speaker 2: It's scary, it's too much, you know, like it's something's

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Speaker 2: got to change. And I know that the government obviously

667
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Speaker 2: made these bail changes last month and it's you know,

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Speaker 2: we don't know yet how they're going. But I'll be

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Speaker 2: really fascinated to see the information that does come out

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Speaker 2: of estimates next week. I'll be one of the few

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Speaker 2: that's listening intently to find out and let our listeners

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Speaker 2: know what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Three sixties the week that was thanks to the Silver

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Speaker 1: Hebron your local.

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Speaker 2: Lawyers in the studio with us this morning for the

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Speaker 2: week that was Leofanociario and Natasha Files, and we are

677
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Speaker 2: also broadcasting on AH. Now, I do want to talk

678
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Speaker 2: about the situation that we have at the moment at

679
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Speaker 2: Royal Darwin Hospital now. Earlier in the week, we revealed

680
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Speaker 2: on the show that a security guard had been stabbed

681
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Speaker 2: by a patient at the hospital and that there was

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Speaker 2: a serious bead shortage when it comes to mental health patients.

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Speaker 2: We'd been told over the last couple of weeks that

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Speaker 2: there'd been up to seventeen people who had to be

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Speaker 2: accommodated in different parts of the hospital because there was

686
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Speaker 2: not any room for them in the mental health ward

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Speaker 2: at the hospital. Now, in addition to that, Matt Cunningham

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Speaker 2: from Sky News has done a fairly extensive piece, you'd

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Speaker 2: have to say, which reveals that there have been quite

690
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Speaker 2: quite a crisis I think, with a lack of beds

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Speaker 2: placing extraordinary pressure on the emergency department and forcing doctors

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Speaker 2: to use distressing practices. So a sharp increase in mental

693
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Speaker 2: health presentations and a lack of appropriate facilities and workers

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Speaker 2: are creating dangerous environment where the safety of staff, patients

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Speaker 2: and visitors are being put at risk. Whistleblowers have told

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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory News that doctors in the emergency department

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Speaker 2: are being forced to administer massive doses of sedatives to

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Speaker 2: psychiatric patients as there are no mental health beds available

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Speaker 2: for them. Some patients are being intubated, given a general

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Speaker 2: anesthetic and sent to the intensive care unit on a

701
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Speaker 2: ventilator because they're too violent to be kept in the

702
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Speaker 2: emergency department. Mental health patients are sometimes being forced to

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Speaker 2: spend several days in seclusion in the emergency department with no.

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Speaker 4: Access to daylight or fresh air.

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Speaker 2: Staff in some cases have been forced to let sanctioned

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Speaker 2: or involuntary patients leave the emergency department to avoid violent confrontations.

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Speaker 2: You would have to say that this is really at

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Speaker 2: a crisis point filesy mental health.

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Speaker 6: Katie's being a concern and it's a multifaceted approach that's needed.

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Speaker 6: So we have put investment into the community response and

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Speaker 6: we are also putting investment into the acute response. But

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Speaker 6: I will acknowledge that Roddaleen Hospital and particularly the emergency

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Speaker 6: department are under pressure and so we're working to put

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Speaker 6: in place some shorter term measures. And this work has

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Speaker 6: actually been underway for some time and we have tried

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Speaker 6: different measures, but this is an issue that we face

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Speaker 6: around the country. In terms of Royal Darn Hospital, we

718
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Speaker 6: have the ju and the county units that provide inpatient

719
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Speaker 6: beds for sectioned patients, but we need to have more

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Speaker 6: assessment in the emergency department. So we're working to provide

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Speaker 6: a safer space for patients and for our staff in

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Speaker 6: that as well as eighteen additional beds. We've put in

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Speaker 6: place the corresponder models, so we're trying to deviate known

724
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Speaker 6: patients from mental illness from our hospitals to try and

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Speaker 6: provide them those supports in the community setting. We're working

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Speaker 6: with the community providers around more beds. We've put in

727
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Speaker 6: place the Harcy program, for example, which supports public housing

728
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Speaker 6: tenants to maintain their tendancy. So this is a difficult

729
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Speaker 6: issue and mental health illness because you can't physically see it,

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Speaker 6: it is a really difficult space. But I think there's

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Speaker 6: been a lot of acknowledgment across the country that it's

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Speaker 6: a very real issue and that governments need to invest

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Speaker 6: in it.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's an incredibly real issue, and it's acute at

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Speaker 2: this point in time for us here in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when we've got a situation early last month,

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Speaker 2: we're a security guard were stabbed in the hospital.

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Speaker 4: You know, to me, it's at breaking point, Katie.

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Speaker 6: We have zero tolerance for violence against our staff and

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Speaker 6: it is extremely disappointing that sometimes people when they go

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Speaker 6: to hospital have no respect for our staff. They are

742
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Speaker 6: making clinical decisions and it might be that you're in

743
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Speaker 6: the waiting room first, but someone else might need that

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Speaker 6: medical care quicker. And we have that zero tolerance for aggression,

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Speaker 6: something that we have run campaigns here in the territory.

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Speaker 6: We've run campaigns with our paramedics and right across the

747
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Speaker 6: country in terms of mental health though, it's needed a

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Speaker 6: specific focus and I believe these additional resources will drive

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Speaker 6: long term change to provide better care but also a

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Speaker 6: safer working environment.

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Speaker 2: I mean, are our staff actually safe in the hospital

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Speaker 2: if you know, well, we've got security guards having to

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Speaker 2: obviously oversee some of those patients, will be there with

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Speaker 2: some of those patients, but then if you wind up

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Speaker 2: in a situation where one of them is stabbed, I mean,

756
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Speaker 2: are our staff safe here?

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Speaker 6: They should be safe and it's everyone's responsibility to make

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Speaker 6: sure they are, and particularly the guns. And that is

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Speaker 6: why we have and are investing in this space. But

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Speaker 6: we're also looking at shorter term solutions so that we

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Speaker 6: can try and ease that pressure whilst that infrastructure comes online.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the stabbing of the security guard is so

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Speaker 5: scary and the fact that you know the government didn't

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Speaker 5: let anyone know about it, this has just come out

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Speaker 5: through Lakes just makes everyone wonder, you know, what other

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Speaker 5: incidents don't we know about and the fact that that

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Speaker 5: security guard put their life on the line, you know,

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Speaker 5: it really genuinely is heroic. That could have been a

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Speaker 5: nurse or a doctor instead of that security guard. And

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Speaker 5: I think that just highlights the level of control we're

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Speaker 5: having to have in our health facilities and just how

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Speaker 5: risky things have become and it's not okay, and for

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Speaker 5: the government to sort of sweep under the carpet these

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Speaker 5: types of things just really again undermines community confidence in

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Speaker 5: the process and in the system.

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Speaker 6: Disagree with the comment that sweeping in under the carpet, Katie.

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Speaker 6: This is an issue for me as the Minister for

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Speaker 6: Health that I've tackled head on and that I've acknowledged

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Speaker 6: mental health health and the need for more resources not

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Speaker 6: just in the acute setting, more bed space and more staff,

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Speaker 6: but also stopping people with mental illness from having to

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Speaker 6: enter that acute system, which is the worst place for them,

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Speaker 6: and what resources we can put So we trialed the

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Speaker 6: corresponding model and that's been very successful, so we will

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Speaker 6: expand that and extend that. We are making sure that

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Speaker 6: we're supporting public housing tenants to maintain their tendency. We

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Speaker 6: know that homelessness and mental illness go hand in hand,

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Speaker 6: but also making sure that we've got that community space,

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Speaker 6: So there'll be a new adult community space in Casarina

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Speaker 6: in the coming months and that will provide support to

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Speaker 6: people to maintain their health so that they don't end

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Speaker 6: up in that acute setting any situation. Is Is it

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Speaker 6: correct though that there was I mean, you'd spoken to

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Speaker 6: me earlier in the week about the need for staff

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Speaker 6: in the emergency ward to be trained in the mental

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Speaker 6: health space and to have a team that can assess

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Speaker 6: those mental health patients as they come in.

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Speaker 2: Is it the case that a locum who was employed

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Speaker 2: or was hired to do that job left really rather

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Speaker 2: quickly because of serious concerns about the way that things

801
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Speaker 2: are unfolding inside the hospital when it comes to mental health.

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Speaker 6: So, having been out at the hospital each week for

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Speaker 6: the last few weeks, working with the clinicians and listening

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Speaker 6: directly to them, it was identified that if we could

805
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Speaker 6: put some of those mental health resources straight into ED,

806
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Speaker 6: it would support them. I can't talk to the individual

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Speaker 6: circumstances of people's positions there, but that is something that

808
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Speaker 6: we're looking at having that support in the emergency department

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Speaker 6: to support those emergency doctors. So we're also looking KT

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Speaker 6: two in terms of the hospital. Emergency is where most

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Speaker 6: people present, but can we have directive mission for some

812
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Speaker 6: people into certain areas at the hospital in terms of

813
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Speaker 6: mental illness, they need to be assessed for physical injuries.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's bed to take them into. Like even

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Speaker 4: if there is a situation.

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Speaker 2: Where they can have that direct line, if there's no

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Speaker 2: space and nowhere for them to go. And I know

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Speaker 2: that we're obviously you know, the tenders come out for

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Speaker 2: that facility, but that's going to be a while away, Like.

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Speaker 4: How long is that going to take?

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Speaker 6: And we are going to have beds in the shorter term.

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Speaker 6: We cannot wait until that infrastructs true it is built.

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Speaker 6: I've absolutely acknowledged that. So we are putting in place

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Speaker 6: some short term measures to have additional beds. This is

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Speaker 6: an area of growth, Katie that I think we haven't

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Speaker 6: seen much acknowledgment, but in the recent years from both

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Speaker 6: Commonwealth and state governments, we've had national reports into this.

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Speaker 6: We know that we need to care for these people

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Speaker 6: in a different way, and that's why we're putting these

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Speaker 6: resources right across the spectrum in place.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think, you know, it's been an obvious issue

832
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Speaker 5: for a long time that hasn't properly been addressed, and

833
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Speaker 5: I think the best example of that is a dull

834
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Speaker 5: and private hospital. You know, they identified the need, they

835
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Speaker 5: got on with the job. That facility is now built

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Speaker 5: and operational, and the fact that the public system is

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Speaker 5: now playing catch up is you know, definitely disappointing. It's

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Speaker 5: great the government are now onto it because it's going

839
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Speaker 5: to obviously make our hospitals safer, but also takes the

840
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Speaker 5: pressure of police who are also involved in having to

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Speaker 5: deal with these people.

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Speaker 6: Hey, you don't think we're playing catch up in this space.

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Speaker 6: The private hospital facility is fantastic. We need to have

844
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Speaker 6: different levels of care for different people and so the

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Speaker 6: more we have in this space that is so welcomed.

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Speaker 3: But this is an area.

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Speaker 6: You've had some national inquiries recently that have identified how

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Speaker 6: governments across Australia can provide better care to people suffering

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Speaker 6: from mental illness and will continue to work very hard

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Speaker 6: in this space.

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Speaker 1: Three sixties the week that was thanks to the Silver

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Speaker 1: hebron your local lawyers.

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Speaker 2: We don't have a huge amount of time left, but

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Speaker 2: still a couple of things that I'm very keen to

855
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Speaker 2: talk about this morning, and of course Leofanocciaio and Natasha

856
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Speaker 2: files in the studio with me now. The Treaty Commissioner

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Speaker 2: Mick Dodson has extended his leave as the Anti government

858
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Speaker 2: is apparently trying to negotiate his resignation. That's what's been

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Speaker 2: reported today in the paper. Professor Dodson's lawyer David da

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Speaker 2: Silva said an announcement about his future was imminent and

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Speaker 2: said Meck currently remains on leave while he receives support

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Speaker 2: for a mental health condition. An announcement about his future

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Speaker 2: will be made in the coming days.

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Speaker 4: Leah, you have been very firm on this that you

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Speaker 4: feel he needs to stand aside.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: When you're a commission Annuel, you hold very high levels

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Speaker 5: of office. You have to be beyond approach and these

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Speaker 5: allegations I think from three women or three Aboriginal women

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Speaker 5: are simply appalling. You know, the role of Treaty Commissioner

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Speaker 5: is important. The fact that the Minister for Treaty Selena

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Speaker 5: you but you know, an Aboriginal woman herself has known

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Speaker 5: about this since March and is absolutely silent on this issue.

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Speaker 3: I mean, she's completely a woll.

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Speaker 5: We've had the Chief Minister come out and try and

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Speaker 5: get him to resign, which has been ignored, which just

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Speaker 5: shows how much clout the Chief Minister has got in

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Speaker 5: our territory. But yet again, Selena Yuvo, where are you?

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Speaker 5: He's your treaty commissioner. You know, these are the same

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Speaker 5: group of labor ministers who march with women during the

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Speaker 5: March for Justice and you know, are happy to do

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Speaker 5: publicity around women's rights and stamping out violence against women.

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Speaker 5: But when you actually then have a situation you need

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Speaker 5: to deal with, just completely goes to ground.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's unacceptable, Natasha, what's going to happen here?

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Speaker 6: So the Territory GUBB strongly condemns the threatening or abusive

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00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 6: behavior of any individual. This is difficult, Katie, because someone

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Speaker 6: who's going through an employment matter, but he has mister

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Speaker 6: Donson indicated his willingness to resign and those arrangements are

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Speaker 6: being finalized. But it is unacceptable any behavior, any threats

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Speaker 6: of violence against any individual, let alone a woman.

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Speaker 5: I mean, what does that even mean? Like arrangements to resign?

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Speaker 5: I mean who even knows what some of this stuff

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Speaker 5: actually means. The opposition has been very clear if he

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Speaker 5: doesn't stand down before sittings on Friday fortnight, will move

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Speaker 5: the motion to the Parliament. It would be then up

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Speaker 5: to the government whether or not they believe he should

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00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 5: stay or go. And again we've had to lead from

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Speaker 5: opposition in the absence of any leadership from Selina Eubo

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Speaker 5: or Michael Gunner, will you support that motion?

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00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 6: We haven't ruled out either putting forward our own motion

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Speaker 6: or supporting the oppositions interesting stuff.

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Speaker 2: Now, speaking of interesting, Leah fan Okiaro, you apparently flew

905
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Speaker 2: for flu to Sydney for one thousand dollars ahead Liberal

906
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Speaker 2: Party fundraiser on Wednesday, the NTA news is revealed.

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Speaker 4: Firstly, what was for lunch? We had staken chips. It

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Speaker 4: was lovely. What thoughts?

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Speaker 5: No, No, I want to say that it was such

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Speaker 5: an I'm thrilled to have had the opportunity to go.

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00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 5: You know, you don't get many opportunities to go into

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00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 5: state and sprook the territory and put the territory for

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Speaker 5: its investment opportunities on the map. And I want territories

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Speaker 5: to understand that this was not a taxpayer funded trip.

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Speaker 5: I went as parliamentary leader of the Country Liberal Party

916
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Speaker 5: and the Country Liberal Party paid for me to go.

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Speaker 5: I was gone for funds about twenty four hours YEP,

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Speaker 5: for the Liberal Party. So I was very pleased to

919
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Speaker 5: be asked to be a guest speaker. Of course I

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00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 5: talked about all the things you would expect me to

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Speaker 5: talk about about, our mining opportunities, our guess opportunities, our

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00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 5: agricultural opportunities, that the territory needs to be and is

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Speaker 5: the best place to invest. And so any chance I

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Speaker 5: get to bang the territory drama and say come and

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00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 5: spend your money here, come and create jobs, I'll take

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Speaker 5: it any day of the week.

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Speaker 3: Katie.

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Speaker 6: So Leah, we know that the CLP previously had Foundation

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Speaker 6: fifty one, and we know that the U Foundation is

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Speaker 6: the new South Wales version.

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Speaker 4: So will there be any kick base?

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Speaker 5: What a muddy ridiculous thing to say.

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Speaker 6: The backdoor way of funding seal P election campaigns. So

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Speaker 6: this was not a yes or funding will come into

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Speaker 6: the territory.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm not answering your ridiculous no, not because

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00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 5: it's just ridiculous. I got a foundation, provide any funding

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Speaker 5: to the Seal people. Well, you'll have to ask the

939
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Speaker 5: Human Foundation. I am the Country Liberal Party leader, and

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Speaker 5: I went down to sprint the territory, which I wish

941
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Speaker 5: the Chief Minister we would do more of. I mean,

942
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Speaker 5: ultimately takes it's a long way to go for just

943
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Speaker 5: a meal. Ultimately we need to have a national profile.

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Speaker 5: We need to be in front of investors and saying

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Speaker 5: to them, come to the territory. It's just so important.

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Speaker 5: I'm you know, we've got we.

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Speaker 3: Don't deny that nothing.

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Speaker 6: A thousand dollars ahead, lunch in a board room doesn't

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Speaker 6: seem like being very open and transparent, Being very.

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Speaker 5: Open and transparent. Absolutely nothing to do here. The Country

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Speaker 5: Libty paid for me to go.

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Speaker 3: I went.

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Speaker 5: I sprinkd the territory as hard as I possibly could,

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Speaker 5: and I do that again day of the week, because

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Speaker 5: I'll put.

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Speaker 3: The territory first every chance I get.

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Speaker 4: Katie, we are gonna have to wrap up.

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Speaker 2: The opposition leader Leofanokia, thank you so much, thank you today.

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Speaker 5: Great weekend and plenty weekend Baranga, Natasha Files, thank you

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Speaker 5: for your time.

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Speaker 4: Thank you and we'll catch you again well enough next week.

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Speaker 2: Sure, yes you're listening to Mix one O four point

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Speaker 2: nine three point sixty