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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the time,

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Speaker 1: poor parent who just answers Now. So today we're going

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Speaker 1: to answer a question because Christmas is less than fifty

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Speaker 1: days away. This one came through from Mim. I actually

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Speaker 1: I answer this question last week in the Happy Family's

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Speaker 1: Premium Members Q and A. If you're a Happy Family's member,

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Speaker 1: we do a monthly Q and A, and I love

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Speaker 1: answering questions. This was one that grabbed my attention and

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Speaker 1: I just thought, oh, such a good question. We've got

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Speaker 1: to talk about it. And not only does it make

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Speaker 1: it to the premium Q and A, it's also made

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Speaker 1: into the podcast because it really, really, it just grabs me.

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Speaker 1: Christmas is just around the corner, and I reckon every

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Speaker 1: parent has had this experience and wondered what am I

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Speaker 1: supposed to do? Should kids be allowed asks Mim to

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Speaker 1: feel disappointed when given something they don't like as a

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Speaker 1: gift or is that just playing in gratitude?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to ask you, uh huh, I really

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Speaker 2: want to know what did you say to everybody the

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Speaker 2: other night.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm going to tell you that in a second.

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Speaker 1: But just as you said you wanted to ask me.

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Speaker 1: I had a horrible feeling you were going to ask

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Speaker 1: me about bad gift giving or something, and you reminded

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Speaker 1: me of a story that I'm probably pretty ashamed to share,

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Speaker 1: but I'm going to anyway. So when I was about

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Speaker 1: fourteen years old, maybe even younger, maybe I was twelve

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Speaker 1: of stuff and my mum had this beautiful yellow Cassio

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Speaker 1: sports watch that had a lap timer and it could

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Speaker 1: do up to fifty laps on the lap timer. I mean,

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Speaker 1: back in those days, that was incredible memory capacity. And

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I somehow sort of semi borrowed it

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Speaker 1: off Mum and then I kind of semi owned it

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Speaker 1: for about six months. And at Christmas, I'd been saving

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Speaker 1: for a while, and I saved up and I bought

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Speaker 1: a watch for myself. So when Mum opened her Christmas

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Speaker 1: present under the tree on that Christmas Day, she received

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Speaker 1: her watch back.

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Speaker 2: I honestly I gave her what told me this story.

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Speaker 2: And I can't fathom where your brain was and how

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Speaker 2: grateful for that gift.

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Speaker 1: Well, teenage boys and empathy don't really go hand in

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Speaker 1: hand that well. But let's just paraphrase MIM's question for

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Speaker 1: a minute. Should mums be allowed to feel disappointed when

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Speaker 1: something they don't like? Or is that just playning gratitude?

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Speaker 1: And even now I'm still looking to go, I think

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Speaker 1: Mum was being a bit ungrateful. I mean, I gave

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Speaker 1: and wraps. I had thought of her for months every

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Speaker 1: time I clicked that lap time a button on that

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Speaker 1: this back to you, and you're going to be so happy,

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Speaker 1: Because she hassled me for it all the time. I

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Speaker 1: didn't think to give her the new watch. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: definitely not a safe up for a long time for

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Speaker 1: because obviously now I can look back and think, what

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Speaker 1: was like that? That was not an appropriate thing for

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Speaker 2: About thirteen year old just asked me the other day

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Speaker 2: what I wanted for Christmas? Right, we'd been having a

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Speaker 1: It was hard. You're not going to get that, You're

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Speaker 2: Well, we talked about it in the car the next

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an unfair expectation. Prepare for disappointment. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's answer MEM's question. Then, Should kids be allowed to

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Speaker 1: grateful that the person thought enough of them to buy

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Speaker 1: it hasn't. And therefore, while they may be disappointed, they

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Speaker 1: I do good gifts. I just am a late gift giver.

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Speaker 1: In fact, that's.

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Speaker 2: Because I make you feel so guilty because you didn't

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Speaker 1: That you let's just sea secret Mims question here.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get a bit serious. Go back to

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Speaker 2: what you're saying, that idea that they can feel disappointed

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Speaker 2: and feel grateful. The overarching theme there is the acknowledgment

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Speaker 2: that we can actually feel too opposing emotions in the

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Speaker 1: And they can both be true.

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Speaker 2: That's right, And so we can have that conversation with

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Speaker 2: They're going to feel so excited about the school excursion

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Speaker 1: And who's going to sit next to on the bus.

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Speaker 2: Or so we can have that conversation on a regular basis,

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Speaker 2: and so coming up to Christmas time, it's not a

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Speaker 2: talk to them about perspective. What would it feel like

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Speaker 2: didn't want. There's lots of different conversations we can have,

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Speaker 1: Then that's right. The conversation needs to happen before you

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Speaker 1: forewarned is forearmed, and the conversation is very much about

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Speaker 1: until the appropriate time when you can share it with us,

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Speaker 1: rather than putting it into your grandparents' face. Now there

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Speaker 1: is another element to the email that came through from them.

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Speaker 1: She also said what would you do if a grandparent

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Speaker 1: I guess I probably shouldn't give you Christmas presents in

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Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm just going to call this out

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Speaker 2: This is emotional regulation on their end, And my first

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Speaker 2: So for me, I would actually be removing my child

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Speaker 2: would actually be talking to my parents, or you'd be

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Speaker 2: and it's I know, it's disappointing when you've put time

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that you did it, yea, even if my

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Speaker 2: That they're only five and they're learning and they are

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you could actually get away with

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Speaker 1: They don't love it. Is there anything that makes you

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Speaker 2: Well, what would you prefer? Would you like them to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you want to do this sensitively. You don't

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Speaker 2: I think the acknowledgment is that everybody is in a

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Speaker 2: And if we know that this is a regular occurrence

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Speaker 2: A great thing to do if grandparents often get it

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Speaker 2: wrong at Christmas time is just suggests that the kids

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Speaker 2: their savings account. Yes, the kids are saving up for

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Speaker 2: a gift. Do you think that you might contribute.

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Speaker 1: Towards it, or here's a list of things that we

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Speaker 2: Free arming the grandparents the grandparents to be really helpful,

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Speaker 2: because you know what, when you think about grandparents, often

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Speaker 2: there's more than one or two children they're dealing with.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to navigate a massive list of kids. I

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Speaker 2: know in your grand when I got married to you,

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Speaker 2: your grandparents already had lots of grandchildren, and then they

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Speaker 2: added me to the equation. And we used to get

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Speaker 2: so excited we were married, and every year your nan

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Speaker 2: would send us a ten dollar note in our card

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Speaker 2: for our birthdays. It was ten dollars. It meant nothing

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Speaker 1: Materially it didn't, but it.

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Speaker 2: Meant so much to you and I that your nan

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Speaker 2: at eighty five years of age, eighty seven years of age,

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Speaker 2: It meant a lot, it really did.

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Speaker 1: And just to sort of spin that full circle to

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