1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was and joining us 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: live in the studio today, we've got the Attorney General, 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: Mary Claire Boothby, good morning to you, and from the 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Northern Territory News, the head of News, Gary Shipway, Good 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: morning to. 6 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: You, Good morning, Katy, morning to everyone. 7 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: Now, no one from Labor today. The opposition leader is 8 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: at the police conference and at the Police Association conference 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: and now I think the other members are at cal 10 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: Karini or away. And we did request Justine Davis and 11 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: Cat McNamara as well, unfortunately they weren't available. But do 12 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: you know what, there's no shortage of things to talk 13 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: about this week, you two, Let's get started. Yeah, now, 14 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: don't worry, I've got a list. 15 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 3: Now. 16 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: The council election is obviously the official date is tomorrow. Now. 17 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say that it's been one 18 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: of the dirtiest elections I've ever seen. Some of the 19 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: muck being slung on social media has been nothing short 20 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: of disgraceful. I mean we've seen posters vandalized. And then 21 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: this week, well things took a bit of a different turn, 22 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: with candidates running in the local government elections now being 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: able to canvas and interact with voters again at City 24 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: of Darwin voting centers during the final days of early voting. 25 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: So it kicked off yesterday. It happened after the ant 26 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: Supreme Court heard an application filed by Leah Potter against 27 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: the Council or matters relating to early voting centers. So 28 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: no orders were made, but the Council agreed to the 29 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: undertaking which is going to see it provide that table 30 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: of course still for candidate material and they're not fine 31 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: candidates for reasonably interacting with voters. Now. I actually went 32 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: and voted a little bit earlier this week and didn't 33 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: have to run the gauntlet because I went early and 34 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: there was nobody there handing out those how to votes. 35 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: It is one of like for me, I find it 36 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: quite difficult going to vote because you know a lot 37 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: of the people that are running and so as you 38 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: go in, you know you're sort of thinking, oh, do 39 00:01:58,720 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: I want to stop and talk? Am I going to 40 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: stop and talk? Or people going to think I'm voting 41 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: for that person. So it was very easy for me 42 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: in and out. Crystal, my producer, went yesterday and said 43 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: it was not the case for her. You know, there's 44 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: people back out there. She had a couple of people 45 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: trying to sort of, you know, to stop and talk 46 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: to her. I mean, what do you think should we 47 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: actually allow people to be handing out those how to 48 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: vote cards? What do you make of the whole way 49 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: that this is rolling out? Really? 50 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: Look, I think in the council election, I think the 51 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: decision probably was a victory for common sense and it 52 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: was good to see the council decided not to send 53 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: the inspectors in to find people, given that this is 54 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: quite separate to a territory in state election, a territory 55 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: election in a federal election in terms of the number 56 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: of supporters you get out there on the polling booze 57 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: is quite different. You can get some significant amount of 58 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: people out there trying to write that their party course, 59 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: whereas these are this is individual people, the candidates themselves, 60 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: So it's quite separate. So it's less. I think you've 61 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: see less people who are approaching you as you're walking 62 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: into the booth, so it's not as intense in that regard, 63 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: So I don't I think that was probably a victory 64 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: for common sense because they're they're not harassing, You don't 65 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,119 Speaker 2: feel harassed. You intimidate. You haven't got the big signage 66 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: up that you get at a territory election, and you 67 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: get it's just daunting walking towards them. 68 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 1: Well, sometimes you feel like you're running the gaunt right, 69 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: Like you go to walk in and there's like ten 70 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: people trying to hand out how to votes. But it's 71 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: probably not been as intense. 72 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, but as you said though, the online ferocity, it's disgusting. Yeah, 73 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: we've talked about that over the last couple of weeks 74 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: and it's just got bigger and bigger. It's like a 75 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: snowborne you know, this avalanche of accusations as we get 76 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: closer to Saturday and thank god it's over and done with. 77 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: Well, this is the thing, you know, we're nearly there, 78 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: we are, And Nikatie, I think from my perspective, I've 79 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 3: been through a number of elections now in various like 80 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: territory or you know, the federal election will be help 81 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: out as well. And I guess as a party, we 82 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: don't really get involved with the council elections. It is 83 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: quite independent, as Gary says, But it is interesting because 84 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: for the federal election, you can have all of those 85 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 3: candidates and their supporters, right there at the door of 86 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 3: the voting booth, and so there is often a lot 87 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 3: of people there, although in my experience it's all very 88 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: calm and people actually ask a lot of questions. It's 89 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 3: a good opportunity for voters to ask them. A lot 90 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: of people don't make up their mind until they get 91 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: there because they've heard lots of different commentary, and sometimes 92 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 3: they want to meet the candidates. So that's a really 93 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 3: good opportunity for voters, and I think that's a good 94 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 3: thing for the territory elections. We're in at a ladder 95 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: stand at the doors and in some shopping centers they 96 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 3: ban you all together, so you know, you really can't 97 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 3: do anything, and I guess that then creates the It's 98 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 3: still democratic because everyone's in the same position, but it 99 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: just means that you've got to work harder beforehand and 100 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 3: during the election out in the community and door knocking 101 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: and help, you know. I know there's several candidates that 102 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: are at during that and have been for a long time, 103 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 3: which is also really good to see so that people 104 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: get to chat to them. 105 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: It's been a real mixed bag for us in terms 106 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: of feedback from listeners as well as some people are like, 107 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: do you know what? I know who I'm going to 108 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: vote for. I don't need a how to vote, whereas 109 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: others are going, well, it's actually pretty difficult to know 110 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: what you're going to do exactly when you're not able 111 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: to meet people as you're going in and you're not 112 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: able to sort of have a discussion with them about 113 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: preferences and that kind of stuff. So I definitely, you know, 114 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: take on board all of those points. I mean, given 115 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: some of the you know what we've seen over the 116 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, not only in terms of the 117 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: how to votes and and then of course the online 118 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: vitriol and even when you look at some of the 119 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: people that have put their hand up. And I'm certainly 120 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: not saying that you know, you have to have a 121 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: qualification this way or the other to be able to 122 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: put your hand up, but do we need a look 123 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: at some of the legislation ahead of the next council 124 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 1: election to make sure it's all a little bit clearer? 125 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: And I mean, does there potentially need to be a 126 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: small fee paid? I think we spoke about this the 127 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: other week as well as small fee paid if you're 128 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: wanting to put your hand up for the council election. 129 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, like I'm thinking out loud, but I 130 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: just feel like it's been I was actually quite surprised by, 131 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: how to discussingly dirty, you know, the race to try 132 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: and become the mayor or the race to try and 133 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: get on council has become particularly for the Darwin area. 134 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 3: I don't know about council. I can't confirm that, but 135 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: for the territory election, there certainly is a fee and 136 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: it's quite substantial to be a candidate, so it's not 137 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 3: it's not for counts. Okay. That is interesting because you know, 138 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: maybe you're right, maybe it does, although I don't know, it's. 139 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: Hard in the regions and that I get that. 140 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 3: But also I think if people who put their hand 141 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: up to run for anything any kind of offers, they're 142 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 3: usually pretty serious about it, even if it's like one 143 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 3: issue that they're running on or for whatever reasons they have. 144 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 3: And I guess you do want a very democratic process, 145 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 3: but with anything, you also want to know all of 146 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 3: the rules of the game before you enter, so that 147 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: there isn't that changing goalpost throughout the whole campaign, which 148 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: then you know some would say that that is someone 149 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 3: unfair so it is challenging that we've seen this role out. 150 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: I think, you know, if there's a fair assessment of 151 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 3: how it's going to work from here on in, there 152 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 3: still gives people that this last day tomorrow to put 153 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 3: their best foot forward and asked for that vote, and 154 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 3: we will see what happens on Saturday night. 155 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it means to be quite calm and 156 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: all the all the everywhere else but here, yeah, everywhere 157 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: else it's been quite placid and everyone's gone about their business. 158 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, as I say, I think the biggest weapons 159 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: been the online narrative. Everything else is that wasn't there. Yeah, 160 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: you know, it would be probably quite a boring. 161 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it sort of raises issues I reckon too. 162 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: It raises the question, you know, around some of the 163 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: different things that are being shared, some of the different 164 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: stuff that's being said about different people. And I know 165 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 1: that you know, it can like you've still got rights, 166 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: I guess in terms of defamation, but some of the 167 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: commentary that has come out from different people about others 168 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: is just woeful. And I don't know then what kind 169 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,679 Speaker 1: of pathways some of those candidates have got in terms 170 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: of you know, having any of that information taken down. 171 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: You know, when there's no truth to it and somebody's 172 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: outright to faming you, unless you've got a heck of 173 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: a lot of money, what do you do to try 174 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: and clear it up? 175 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: An interesting thing about it, in a if it was 176 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: a territory or a federal election, the Electric Commission can 177 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: act pretty quickly to stop false information being podcast in 178 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: terms of advertising and so forth. So maybe there needs 179 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: to be strengthening of the laws and you know that 180 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: in that area just to deal with it, to be 181 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: able to deal with it quickly, yep, and get that 182 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 2: take some quick action to shut it down. 183 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think, Mari Claire as the 184 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: Attorney General. And also when you look at those deformation laws, 185 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: I know that you'd made some changes recently in that space. 186 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 3: I guess that's some You know, the laws are there 187 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: to inact if those people want to. And I haven't 188 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 3: seen like a lot of the things that are online 189 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 3: or certainly haven't been able to follow exactly what's happening 190 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 3: and where it's all coming from. But I think if 191 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 3: anybody thinks they have a claim for a case, and 192 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: you know, they should get them legally by and see 193 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 3: I guess the other side of it is that people 194 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: sometimes do switch off as well, and a lot of 195 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 3: what gets said isn't actually absorbed by the average territory 196 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 3: out there who's just trying to live their lives. And 197 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: so you know, you don't want to accept that kind 198 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 3: of behavior. But you also, as a candidate, as an example, 199 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 3: you you just literally put your head down and your 200 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 3: bum up and you keep working because that's where the 201 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 3: true colors shine that you know, you want to represent 202 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 3: people no matter what gets thrown at you, and being 203 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 3: a representative no matter what level of government is tough. 204 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 3: Even when you are elected, you still have much. 205 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: When the ryal work starts. 206 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a real test of character for everybody, 207 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 3: I believe, but those options are there for them to 208 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: pursue that avenue. 209 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: Katie. Yeah, look we're going to take a really quick break. 210 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixteen. Now, 211 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: don't forget. You have devote in the council election. You've 212 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: got today and tomorrow, so head on out, make sure 213 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: you go and vote and educate yourself before you go 214 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: and vote. A simple Google search of some candidates, or 215 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: you can jump on the Mixed page if you missed 216 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: an of the interviews that we've done with them will 217 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: give you a bit further information about who they are 218 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: and what they stand for. You are listening to Mix 219 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: one O four nine's three sixty. It is the week 220 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 1: that was in the studio with us this morning. Gary 221 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: Shipway from the NT News and the Attorney General Murray 222 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: clear mooveby now. Somebody has just messaged through and said Katie, 223 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: if if the Greens and the Independence are too lazy 224 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: to attend the week that was, invite Jerry Wood or 225 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: Kezy E Puric backing is their suggestion. No, I think 226 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: they both. I feel like there was something that they 227 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: were at I could be wrong, but I'm sure Crystal 228 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: will let me know. But look, this week we also 229 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: had some further discussion and some further information provided about 230 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: the role out of OC spray On the first of September. 231 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: So the Northern Territory Government of course running this twelvemonth 232 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: trial allowing eligible members of the public to purchase, possess, 233 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: carry and use OC spray for self defense. Now, to 234 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: be eligible to purchase that OC spray from the first 235 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: of September, a person must be eighteen years of age 236 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: or over, present valid photo ID at the time of purchase, 237 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: and complete a buyer declaration that you have no relevant 238 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: criminal history, police or court orders and only purchase in 239 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: store from participating firearm stealers in the Northern Territory. Now, 240 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: in regard to the OC Spray rollout, Police Association President 241 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: Nathan Finn said he is concerned about the self declaration 242 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: to buy it and the fact that there are no 243 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: limits on the amount that people can purchase. Now. We 244 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: actually spoke with Trent to with Roden Rifle owner and 245 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: Catherine earlier this week and he was really very practical 246 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: about it. He said that they were placing a you know, 247 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: they were placing a significant order, but really weren't sure 248 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: how many canisters will be sold now. Something that I guess, 249 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: interestingly ironically, however you want to describe it, is the 250 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: fact that we also spoke about the fact that you've 251 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: really got to do more to purchase OC spray than 252 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: you do to just a machetti or a cross spot. 253 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,599 Speaker 2: I think that he has to say that the criminal's 254 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: choice of weapon is an edged It's an edge weapon, 255 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: a bar, a brick, a baseball bat, a piece of wood, 256 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 2: car a car. You know, people worrying about oh, look, 257 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: we're going to give the most sea spray. Well, the 258 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: depth of the percentage of the OC spray is far 259 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 2: lesson what the police are using. It's not a full 260 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 2: strength OC spray. It's just fully intended to give the 261 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: victim an opportunity to escape the situation that they may 262 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: find themselves in. And when you look, you look at 263 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: just this week we've had two seventy year old women 264 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 2: costed in various areas of the Northern Territory. We had 265 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: another man sixty eight in his backyard in Catherine, attacked 266 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: by some people there, you know. And and the other 267 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: part about this is this is not just all male perpetator. 268 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 2: There are females and a number of females engaging in 269 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: violence is really really concerning. We've got a whole law 270 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: and order issue out there with young people and you know, people, 271 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: you've got to feel for the older, older people who 272 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 2: are getting a costume. 273 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and look, I do want to point out 274 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: as well. We actually interviewed Soushira, the CEO of the 275 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: Council of the Aging, earlier in the week. She was 276 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: the victim of one of those incidents where a rock 277 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: was thrown at her. She said, they you know, they said, 278 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: you know, like the language that they were using and 279 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: what they were saying and what they had done for 280 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: a tough woman. It certainly rattled her. And she's a 281 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: woman that's lived in the Northern Territory for more than 282 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: fifty years. She said, she will be getting a can 283 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: of oc spray and I know that others would feel 284 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: the same. And look, I always think, you know, you 285 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: hear a lot about these discussions, and I hear people saying, oh, 286 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: you know, well, what are going to be you know, 287 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: what's going to be the ramifications if you spray somebody 288 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: in the face. I get it right, nobody wants it 289 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: to get in the wrong hands. However, if you are 290 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: a woman or a man, but let's be honest, a 291 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: woman and you're in a really vulnerable situation where somebody 292 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: is attacking you, if you've got something that might be 293 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: able to help you, goodness, mate, shouldn't we be able 294 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: to use it? 295 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Katie. And we've just seen the back of the 296 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: Seniors Fortnite and Adam Palmerston in the Lichfield area. We're 297 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 3: able to spend a lot of time with our seniors 298 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 3: out there, and one of the things they continue to 299 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 3: talk about is that, you know, they want to feel 300 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 3: safe and they are actually really looking forward to the 301 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 3: OC spray trial because that means that they can go 302 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 3: out legally purchase something that they can put in their 303 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 3: handbag and carry around with them. And it's not to 304 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 3: say they're going to use it. They're certainly not going 305 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 3: to proactively use. It'll just be that extra layer of 306 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 3: protection so that if they are in a situation that 307 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 3: is quite terrifying, that that's an option for them to use. 308 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: And like you've both said, it is easier to purchase 309 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 3: some other types of weapons than it is OC spray. 310 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 3: But also we already have people living in their homes 311 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: with the WASP spray right at their door ready for 312 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 3: anyone that in Truthes and I mean in Westpray. You 313 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 3: can buy it Bunnings or Coals, and that is a 314 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 3: lot deadlier than the OC spray. 315 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: And we get a lot and we do get a 316 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: lot of feedback through the engineers on our Facebook commentary 317 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: and stories that we put up, and the Lost Sprays 318 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: is really popular out there. We get a lot of 319 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: people say, hey, it's sprayed. Yep, it's better and you 320 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: can light it. 321 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: Which is frightening, right, Like it's a worry. That's a worry. 322 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: But this is the thing people are thinking about, all 323 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: these different things that they may or may not be 324 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: able to use if somebody gets into their home. So 325 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: I think what we're talking about here is a self 326 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: defense measure if absolutely essential. I guess the other side 327 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: of it, though, is what happens if it gets into 328 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: the wrong hands. What happens if somebody who is trying 329 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: to attack you or hurt you sprays in the face 330 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: with the OC spray. I mean that is a concern 331 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: as well. 332 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, you're right. I mean that that is 333 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: a concern. And we can and you can throw up 334 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: any other any number of scenarios where it may be 335 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: used and people say, well it's been going to be 336 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: used against me, but you know, it's a prevention. It's 337 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: a preventative measure. West Australia's had it in there and 338 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: it's worked well in Western Australia. We haven't seen anywhere 339 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: near you know, the issues of the criminal using going 340 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: for the OC spray, because it's not, as I say, 341 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: that's pretty much not what's in their mind where they're 342 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: going out there. They want instant physical results to nullify 343 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 2: the person they're attacking. So I think the trial, it's 344 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: a trial, Give it a go, and. 345 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: Let's put it into perspective to Katie, We've got young 346 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 3: people carrying around those knives to protect themselves and they 347 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 3: end up hurting other people viciously. If those people happen 348 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 3: to and we don't want this to happen, but happen 349 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 3: to come across the can of o sea spray and 350 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 3: they start carrying that instead of a knife, that may 351 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 3: end up being a better result, but that's obviously not 352 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 3: what we want. But the perspective here is the OC 353 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 3: spray gives people a chance so that if they do 354 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 3: become a victim, they've got something they can defend themselves 355 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 3: with and they don't have to go to the extremes 356 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 3: of the wash spray or a weapon God forbid, because 357 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 3: we don't want people carrying around those things because they 358 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 3: end up hurt getting hurt themselves. 359 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: Well, one of the questions I do have is say, 360 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: if I, you know, say, if I'm in what I 361 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: deem to be an unsafe situation, I feel like somebody 362 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: is attacking me or you know, jumps on top of 363 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: me while I'm out for a run. I try and 364 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: spray them with the OC spray. I end up hurting 365 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: them with the OC spray. Like, what's the you know, 366 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: what's the potential rammifications for me legally? 367 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there's a whole self defense section of the 368 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 3: law which applies to all the cases that happens before 369 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 3: the courts, and so that still remains the case, and 370 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 3: of course all of those factors get taken into consideration. 371 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 3: But what we know is that the you can by 372 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 3: carrying around the OC spray. The chances are you probably 373 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 3: are not going to even use it, but it gives 374 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 3: you that extra level of protection because you know, we 375 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 3: don't see people just wandering around attacking other people all 376 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 3: the time. If it does just happen sometimes, which is awful. 377 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 3: And so you know, I think that if it does 378 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 3: end up in court and there is that case that 379 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 3: gets put the victim's rights is what we want to 380 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 3: be above the rights of the offenders. And we've been 381 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 3: saying that for a long time, and the laws do 382 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 3: favor the victim in that case. 383 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think I mean, if common sense got 384 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 2: laws in place. It's about protecting the victim, and there 385 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 2: is a lot of I think there's a lot of 386 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: hysteria about how it could be used and the people 387 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: I've spoken to that. I've spoken to a number of 388 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 2: women who I'm going to I'm going to get it. 389 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 2: I'm going to get it. When I go for a 390 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 2: walk at night, it's always been a worry for me. 391 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 2: You know, if it's just to the point where it's 392 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 2: getting dark, they do get worried, and fair enough they should, 393 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: you know, you just don't know what's working at them. 394 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: Well, And this is the thing, like you know, because 395 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: a lot of the time people sort of say to me, well, 396 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: do you feel unsafe when you go for a run? Actually, 397 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: I have been in a number of unsafe situations. I've 398 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: been in situations where I have been followed, you know, 399 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: I've spoken about that on the show before, and to me, 400 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: it is that added layer of protection. But it's not 401 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: just me saying that. I speak to a lot of 402 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: other women who run and exercise, Like you said, Gary, 403 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: and do you know, I am very often having these 404 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: conversations with women at the moment. I had a mum 405 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: talking to me last week who was saying, Katie. Sometimes 406 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: I ring my husband while I'm running and say to him, 407 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: can you just stay on the phone with me for 408 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: a bit, because there's a situation unfolding that I'm not 409 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: feeling overly safe. You know, these are real things that happen, 410 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: and let's not forget that. There's also been situations along 411 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: the Nightcliff Foreshore not too long ago, in fact, a 412 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: couple of months ago, where women were being attacked allegedly 413 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: by a teenager who was trying to sexually assault them. 414 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: I've also had a woman call me at the deck 415 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: chair stairs, you know, at lunchtime, in her lunch break, 416 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: where somebody is then indecently touching himself in front of her, 417 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: or she's trying to run the stairs. These aren't made 418 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: up scenarios. These are things that are actually happening, and 419 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: they're disgusting, and you know, a like as a woman 420 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: who runs, I don't plan on using oc spray at 421 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: any point in time, but I will have a canister 422 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: with me early in the morning if I need it, 423 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: and if I'm in a situation where somebody tries to 424 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: grab me, I would think that at least I got something. 425 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 3: We want all of our territorians out exercising at dawn 426 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 3: and dusk where it is a bit cool like, and 427 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 3: you know, it's part of the lifestyle that we have here. 428 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 3: And you know, I've spoken to seniors that wouldn't leave 429 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 3: their front and backyards because they felt unsafe. And you know, 430 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 3: if they can carry around a little can of OC 431 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 3: spray to have that x ral A protection to walk 432 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 3: around the block a couple of times, then that's exactly 433 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: what they should be able to do without that fear. 434 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 2: And it was interesting there was the murders in Sydney 435 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 2: where the women were targeted. I think there was five 436 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 2: women killed by the man wolding a knife in the 437 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 2: shopping center and West Australia that one of the supplies 438 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 2: in West Australia said after that event he was flooded 439 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: with people women wanting to purchase the OC spray for 440 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: their protection. I mean, you know, who knows what could 441 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 2: have happened if they had that available to them. Yeah. Yeah, 442 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 2: how many people lost their lives in that incident. 443 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you want to mitigate that risk as much 444 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 3: as possible because you can't control what someone else does, no, 445 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 3: but if you can feel that protection, that goes a 446 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 3: long way to be able to live the life that 447 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 3: you want to live, and that's the most important part. 448 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, we're going to take a quick break when 449 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: we come back. Well, I'm keen to talk about the 450 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: fact that some union members are pretty upset with the union, 451 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: which is meant to represent them, after receiving an email 452 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: in the last twenty four hours encouraging them to do 453 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: something that they're not real impressed about. You are listening 454 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: to three sixty now over nice union members. Well, I'm 455 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: told they're pulling the pin and have quit the United Workers' 456 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: Union following the union's decision to march for Palestine. Now, 457 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: it's understood at least a dozen members here in the 458 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: Northern Territory are planning to quit, if they haven't already 459 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: pulled their memberships, furious with the union's decision, feeling that 460 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: it's politically motiv now. The local members made the decision 461 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: after receiving notification from the union that the union was 462 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: pushing them to take part in the day of Action. 463 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 2: Now. 464 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: In a message which has been sent to me, which 465 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: the union issued to members, it reads, the United Workers 466 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: Union supports the community events, rallies and marches around Australia 467 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: as part of the National Day of Action on the 468 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: twenty fourth of August. Now in a statement online, they 469 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: then call on the federal government to take a number 470 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: of steps in their response to the war in Gaza. Now. 471 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: The union members who've contacted me say they do not 472 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: believe the union should be pushing the Labor Party agenda 473 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: and need to focus on the rights of their members 474 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: here in the Northern Territory. I mean, it's an interesting one. 475 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: Fully agree with those workers. I mean, unions are there 476 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 2: to represent the interests of their members and they do 477 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 2: a fairly solid job doing that, and they're protecting their 478 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: interests and that's where they should keep their focus. I 479 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 2: don't think I can understand members not wanting to be 480 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 2: dragged into a political issue, you know. And I think 481 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: I'm still angry about what happened to the Nightcliff Jetty 482 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 2: and what happened to the war moral down there. You know, 483 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: the they were the painting of the flag on the 484 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 2: jetty was uncalled forfeiti on the war memorials uncalled for, 485 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: and so you know, now we got the union if 486 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: that's if that's correct, I'm gonna say I can't understand 487 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 2: the members being upset about it. 488 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 3: And it's not the like everyone. It's a very well 489 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 3: known fact that labor and the unions often do campaign 490 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 3: together for lots of different causes. But what worries me 491 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 3: about the unions? And I don't think this is new, 492 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 3: but this is a new incidence. The first time I'm 493 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 3: hearing about it from you today came. But you know, 494 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 3: to feel like you're forced into doing something that you 495 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 3: don't believe in because someone says you have to, I 496 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 3: mean that's pretty untill. 497 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: And look, you know, the thing is, I think to myself, 498 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: if you're a member of the union, you know, it's 499 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: your choice whether you choose to march for something or not. 500 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: You know, I obviously the union can't force you to 501 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: do it. But I think what's happened with some of 502 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: these members locally is they're going, well, hang on a second, 503 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: why am I you know, why am I marching? And 504 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: why are you trying to tell me that I should 505 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: be marching for this agenda? And I know for some 506 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: of the members of this particular union, you know, they're 507 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: more concerned about frontline workers being assaulted. They're more concerned 508 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: about some of the issues that they're dealing with in 509 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: their workplaces where they are. Yeah, that's exactly right, where 510 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: they're concerned about those local issues. But yeah, you know, 511 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: this person said to me, they were trying to make 512 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: us march for Palestine and they weren't happy about it. 513 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 3: What happens if they don't turn out? 514 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,479 Speaker 1: Well, look, I don't think I'm assuming not a lot 515 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 1: would happen if you didn't turn out to march, But 516 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's pretty strong reaction then from 517 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: some of those members to go, do you know what? 518 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: We disagree with this so much we want to pull 519 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: our pin and no longer be members. 520 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the only positive here is that the 521 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: march is about five o'clock in the afternoon from what 522 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: I saw on Sunday, and I don't know if they've 523 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,239 Speaker 2: changed that, but that was certainly part of what I 524 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 2: received through the national media releases about where the marches 525 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 2: were going to take a place, and that was going 526 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 2: to be at Nightcliff. But that's why I'm concerned about 527 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: what happened at Nightcliff last time. That's where it's going 528 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 2: to start from, and of course, what disruption is that 529 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 2: going to cause to we know what Nightcliff's like on 530 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 2: a dry season evening, and the thousands that get down there, 531 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 2: what disruption that may or may not cause. If it's peaceful, 532 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 2: well and good, but certainly what happened in the leadup 533 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 2: to the last one was disgraceful. 534 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: Well, look, I know we've got plenty of union members 535 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: that listen to this show, so I'd be very keen 536 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: to hear from them whether they agree with the you know, 537 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: whether they agree with that email and message being sent 538 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: out to the members calling on them to march for Palestine, 539 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: and whether they feel like it's a you know, a 540 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: step in the wrong direction if they would prefer their 541 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: union to be standing up for them on their workers' rights. 542 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: But love to hear from you this morning. Send us 543 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: a message. Now, look, there's quite a bit of union news, 544 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: I think it's across the week, and we know that 545 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police Association president Nathan Finn had said 546 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: a payoffer the Northern Territory Police has now been endorsed 547 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: and will be put to members for a vote after 548 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: a series of information sessions and road shows across the 549 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: Northern Territory. He'd told me earlier in the week. The 550 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: offer includes a five percent increase in the first year, 551 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: four percent in the second year, and increases of three 552 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: percent in the following two years. Now, he said he 553 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: would have liked more for members, but avoiding going to 554 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: the arbitration tribunal is the best outcome, adding that the 555 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police remain one of the best in the country, 556 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: hopefully a step in the right direction. Gary. 557 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, so I was interesting. I was reading a 558 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 2: Radio New Zealand article just yesterday and they were complaining 559 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 2: that they'd lost forty police officers to the Lord and 560 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: Territory because the pay conditions are the best in Australia 561 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 2: and they can't compete with what the Northern Territory is 562 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 2: offering them. So to lose forty New Zealand police members 563 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 2: to come to the Northern Territory and who are committed 564 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 2: police officers, but to see they see this is a 565 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 2: better place to live their life with their families, it 566 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 2: means a great outcome. And we say they've been doing 567 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 2: this for a while and we're also competing with Queensland 568 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 2: for these The coppers outbid technically outbid Queensland is a 569 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 2: very impressive thing. And you know, I think that's. 570 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: Well, there's no denying the conditions in the Northern Territory, 571 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: like our police have to work bloody hard and it's 572 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: a tough job. And I mean even this week we've 573 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: spoken more about that as the coronial inquest continues into 574 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: the death of Michael Doutram and you know, an absolutely 575 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: tragic death that I know has hit the Northern Territory 576 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: Police Force incredibly hard and really important work in that space. 577 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: But I think it also exemplifies how tough that job 578 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: can be. And so I believe our police do deserve 579 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: to be paid adequately. They deserve to be paid fairly, 580 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: and you know, you want to make it a really 581 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: good job to do that people want to come to 582 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory to do so you want to make 583 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: sure they support it. 584 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you know, they were already the 585 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,239 Speaker 3: best paid in Australia, but this of course well and 586 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 3: truly cements that for our police. And you're right, they 587 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 3: do an incredible job in really tough conditions serving our community, 588 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 3: which is amazing. And the fact you know these kiwis 589 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 3: are coming over, I would much rather be in this 590 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 3: weather in bame old Northern Territory than in New Zealand 591 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 3: at times, that's for sure. So of course we have 592 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 3: our unique territory lifestyle. That's another consideration for them to 593 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 3: come here. They get to spend that time with their families, 594 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,479 Speaker 3: raising their children, and that rewarding career path that is 595 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 3: being a police officer in the Northern Territory and to 596 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 3: make a real difference in the community. So it is 597 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 3: good news that when you're in the end of that deal. 598 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 3: And you know, again big shout out to all of 599 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 3: our men and women in Bluehoo do ow an amazing 600 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 3: job every single day of the year. 601 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: Well, look, I do just want to mention we've got 602 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: quite a few messages coming through about OC spray, so 603 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: might just read a couple of them out. I've got 604 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: one here that says Katie, I don't have a problem 605 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: with OC spray as long as the authorities just can't 606 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: make can make the Northern Territory safe. But do see 607 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: potential problems when OC spray's allowed in nightclubs or bars 608 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: with many intoxicated patrons now armed with a weapon. That 609 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: one coming through from Bill, I mean, it's sure like 610 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: do we need to go into a situation then where 611 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: people are going into pubs or bars where they're not 612 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: able to take their OC spray in there. 613 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that hasn't been raised with me, Katie, with police, 614 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 3: but I know that police are looking at this very closely. 615 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 3: They following the wa model who also has clubs and 616 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 3: nightclubs as well, so they'll be following their lead. There 617 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 3: is also that task force that's been set up with 618 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 3: a number of the members from the community that's going 619 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 3: to review how it's working, and all that feedback can 620 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 3: go directly to them so they can inform government and 621 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 3: police of how it goes. 622 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: Tomin Darwin River's message through He says, Hi, Katie, I 623 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: don't know why people are anti OC spray. It's a 624 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: form of self defense. Unlike firearms and edged weapons. It 625 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: is non lethal. If someone inadvertedly is inadvertedly sprayed with it, 626 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: they're not going to die. What would The nasay is 627 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: prefer vulnerable people who are able to go out and 628 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: have a life or a society locked inside their homes 629 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: because they're too afraid to go outside. 630 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 2: That's exactly Toms is on the head there. Yeah, we 631 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 2: have so many people who are so worried about not 632 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 2: being able to live their normal day to day lives 633 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 2: because of what you know, the danger that make in 634 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 2: itself to them. 635 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: Hey, one of the other incidents that I do just 636 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: want to alert people to. We know that police are 637 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: calling for information after a rock throwing incident occurred in Gray. 638 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: This actually happened on Wednesday evening at about eight pm. 639 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: Police received reports that a seven year old girl was 640 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: allegedly struck with a rock whilst traveling on a bus. Now, 641 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: it's alleged that while the bus was traveling down Emory 642 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: Avenue between Victoria Drive and Harrison Circuit, a rock was 643 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: thrown at a vehicle, striking the seven year old passenger. Now, 644 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: my understanding is that the Transport Workers' Union have got 645 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: real concerns about bus safety. I mean they have had 646 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: for quite some time. But the fact that a seven 647 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: year old girl is then struck, I know that she's 648 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: only suffered minor injuries, thank god, because that is a 649 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: terrible situation. And another example after the one we spoke 650 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: about just a moment ago, Gary, where you've got young 651 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: kids teenage and then young kids throwing rocks at people. 652 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: It's just terrible and disgusting behavior. 653 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 3: I don't think the kids that do this realize how 654 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 3: dangerous it actually is. I mean a number of years 655 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 3: ago we did have someone who died from a rock 656 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 3: throw incident, which was terrible. This did happen out of 657 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 3: Parmesan Katie. And what I remember just about a year ago, 658 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 3: I guess is the CDC, the bus company. They have 659 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 3: a really good community engagement program headed up by a 660 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 3: fella call Colin, who many people might know, and they 661 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 3: worked really hard to stamp out the rock throwing that 662 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 3: was quite horrific and prevalent a couple of years ago. 663 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 3: And so we did end up seeing that it got 664 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 3: to a case where there was no incidence for a 665 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 3: very long time, and of course this one now has 666 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 3: thrown up. You know this. We don't want to see 667 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 3: these things happening, and of course, especially knowing that someone 668 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 3: has been injured, it's absolutely horrific. And so that work 669 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 3: with CDC, the bus company, Larichia Nation, the police and 670 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 3: other agencies. Of course they need to go out hard 671 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 3: to talk to these youths about how just how bad 672 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 3: it actually is. 673 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, rock throwing is a is a very serious issue. 674 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 2: And I know a generally runs a taxi business and 675 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 2: he reckons. Every day there's an incident or at least 676 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 2: once a week he's got one of his cars off 677 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 2: the road getting repaired because rock's been thrown at his cabs, 678 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 2: and that we've got the buses and look, and it's 679 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 2: not a new problem. This has been going on forever. 680 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 2: Usually young people think it's funny, but they don't realize that, 681 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,719 Speaker 2: you know, the danger of the risk they're putting people's 682 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 2: lives out. It kills peoples, simply, it does. Yeah, And 683 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 2: it's you know, whether or not the laws need to 684 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 2: be tough, I don't know, but certainly it's something we 685 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 2: don't want to see. 686 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Is it something where there 687 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: does need to be law strengthened around that, around the 688 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: rock throwing? I mean, you know, but we've got people 689 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: talking about oc spray getting in the wrong hands, and 690 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: you've got people using rocks as weapons and it can 691 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: seriously injure people. But do you need to have a 692 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: look at this? 693 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess that most challenging thing with rock throwing. 694 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 3: It is illegal and it is of course a weapon. 695 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 3: But what is very tricky is to actually catch the 696 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 3: culprits because they are on the run very quickly after 697 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 3: they do these, and so you know that's at the 698 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 3: community helping out with that, you know, sharing that CCTV 699 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 3: they have, reporting what they see, and police obviously being 700 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 3: really highly active in those areas where they do have 701 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 3: those hot spots is important. But yeah, absolutely, Katie, if 702 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 3: there are people, whatever your age, throwing rocks, it is illegal. 703 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 3: It will come with the heavy penalties. 704 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: A few more messages coming through Andrew and Herbert saying Hi, Katie. 705 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: Unions are supposed to represent their members industrially, so many 706 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: union organizers are more interested in pursuing a political career 707 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: with labor than representing their members. GT JT and T 708 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: jint maybe has messaged through and said pretty weird to 709 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: criticize workers organizing for peace after a six hundred and 710 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: eighty day long atrocity crime wave. Support anyone ready to 711 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: stand against genocide, says that text. Look, we are going 712 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: to take a really quick break. There is still plenty 713 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: to cover off on this morning, and not a lot 714 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: of time you. 715 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 2: Can actually say that last text you read, Look, that's 716 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 2: all well and good. No one wants to see what's 717 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 2: happening to the kids and children's and family in Palestine. 718 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 2: But forcing people to march is a different thing. This 719 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 2: is what we're talking about here. We're not talking there's 720 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 2: no argument about the cause. But you know, it's just 721 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 2: what you're being forced to march, that's the issue. 722 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're spot on there. Gary. Hey, let's 723 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: take a really quick break if you've just joined us. 724 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 1: We're in the studio this morning. We've got Gary Shipway, 725 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: the head of news at the NT News, and we've 726 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: got the Attorney General of the Northern Territory, Mary clear boothby. 727 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: Now in some news that is breaking this morning. We 728 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: know that a national trial of CCTV camera it's in 729 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 1: hundreds of childcare centers is expected to get the green 730 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: light at a meeting with federal, state and territory education 731 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: ministers in Sydney today. That is according to a report 732 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: by the ABC. So under this proposal that's being discovered, 733 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: up to three hundred services would be asked to take 734 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: part in the trial, and a number of states recently 735 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: launched reviews into safety childcare centers. We know that that 736 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: follows multiple allegations of child abuse by a worker in 737 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: Victoria and a number of other significant incidents in other states. 738 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: So the New South Wales report recommended the installation of 739 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: cameras in all new childcare centers, while Victoria's review recommended 740 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: a trial to evaluate the use of cameras as regulative 741 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: and an investigative tool. Now I was saying off, my 742 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 1: niece works in a childcare center on the Gold Coast, 743 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: is an early childhood educator, and I know at the 744 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: center that she works at, they've already got very open 745 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,919 Speaker 1: you know, like windows everywhere. Children are not in situations 746 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: where they're in rooms with people on their own, and 747 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: they also have CCTV. I know that that's not everywhere, 748 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: but as a parent, I know there are you know, 749 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: you can all argue privacy issues, et cetera. But when 750 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the safety of my children, I'm more 751 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: than happy for it to be as open as possible 752 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: and there to be those cameras. My kids are not 753 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: of that age anymore. But goodness may, after what we 754 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: saw in Victoria, I think we need to do whatever 755 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: we need to do to make sure that never happens again. 756 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think anything that reassures parents of the safety 757 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 2: their little ones is an important and positive step. You know, 758 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 2: we all family families want to make sure if they've 759 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 2: got the child in a childcare center that they are safe, 760 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 2: that people are monitoring them. We have full surveillance, and 761 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 2: I think it's a good idea. I would assume maybe 762 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 2: something may have them here now, but look, it definitely 763 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 2: has to be looked at. 764 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 3: I think a couple of things, Katie. Firstly, that the 765 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 3: fact that all states and territories nationally are talking about 766 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 3: this is a good move forward because we want to 767 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 3: make sure that, of course all Australian kids are safe, 768 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,439 Speaker 3: and this has been on the agenda for a little 769 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 3: while now that they've only just met, so that information 770 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 3: is just coming out. So from a territory perspective, we 771 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 3: haven't seen those types of incidents here. Of course, we 772 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 3: know they happen elsewhere and we would not want to 773 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 3: see them here. So the Minister Hersey is responsible for 774 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 3: that particular portfolio with the daycare centers and the early educators, 775 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 3: and I'm looking forward to catching up with her to 776 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,879 Speaker 3: see what's you know, what happened in those conversations, what 777 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 3: that means for the Northern Territory and how we participate 778 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 3: in that. 779 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: You know, is it something I mean, is it something 780 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 1: that you think the Northern Territory should support well. 781 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 3: It sounds like from that media that we have supported 782 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 3: it in the discussions at a national level with the 783 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 3: other education ministers, and so you know, in principle yes absolutely. 784 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 3: I mean, my children are no longer in daycare, but 785 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 3: they were for a number of years and that trust 786 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,720 Speaker 3: that you have to have with those educators is pretty serious. 787 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 3: And you know, we had a wonderful experience with the 788 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 3: childcare and most parents do. But of course when you 789 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 3: hear about those awful incidents, it makes your blood boil, 790 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 3: it makes you sick to the stomach, and so you 791 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 3: want to avoid that at all cost really as a parent. 792 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 3: So absolutely, yeah, and want we want our children to 793 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,399 Speaker 3: be thriving in those centers, to be well looked after, 794 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 3: and the parents to be okay being out at work, 795 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,919 Speaker 3: concentrating on the work that they're doing without thinking about 796 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 3: those things. So, as I said, very much looking forward 797 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 3: to catching up with Minister Joe Hersey finding out what 798 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 3: the territory is ready to do in that space. 799 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,280 Speaker 2: And I think there's also that with CCTV, it's beyond 800 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 2: there's the other little bit that goes with it. It's 801 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 2: not okay The purpose for this is to protect the 802 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 2: children from predators. But there's also the other aspect. If 803 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 2: you got greater your eye coverage of the place where 804 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 2: the kids are yep, and something happens to one of 805 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 2: the children, you can respond far quicker. We've seen horrible 806 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 2: instance where children have lost their lives because they've gone 807 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,720 Speaker 2: into blind spots in childcare centers and you know stuff 808 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 2: like that. I think you know CCTV coverage has quite 809 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,360 Speaker 2: a broad benefit. 810 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: Ye. Well, look that's all we've got time for this morning. 811 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: There's never any shortage of things to discuss in here 812 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: on the week that was now Gary Shipway. It's a 813 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: big weekend as well, isn't it. 814 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, people beware on Sunday there's going to be road 815 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 2: closures in the morning in the city because the world 816 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 2: Solar cars are hitting the road to see people down 817 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 2: that get down and give these pioneers of solar cars 818 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 2: to a cheery on because it's always exciting in the morning. 819 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 2: All we've got so many international teams here this year 820 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 2: and it is a robust to get down there and 821 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 2: see these people. They're so excited about what the journey 822 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 2: that just lays ahead from and hopefully to be a 823 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 2: safe one. 824 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 3: Well. 825 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: Team twenty from Holland. They're going to be in the 826 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: studio with Sarah Paslick a little bit later this morning. 827 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: I'm choffing off to the end Athletics Championships, but she's 828 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: going to be catching up with them. And it is 829 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 1: such a fantastic time, isn't it. 830 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 3: And Katie, I've been encouraging the teams to get out 831 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,359 Speaker 3: and see what the territory has to offer while they're here, 832 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 3: because of course they are from elsewhere and that's the 833 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 3: beauty of the territory. 834 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 2: You know. 835 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 3: We might have an amazing you know, World Solar Car 836 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,839 Speaker 3: Challenge here, but if they can get out and see 837 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,320 Speaker 3: our great, unique territory lifestyle, then that's a. 838 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: A spend your money while you're here as well. Friends, 839 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 1: we like to see businesses thriving while we've got plenty 840 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 1: of tourists in town. 841 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 2: Well. 842 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: Gary Shipway, head of News with the NT News, thank 843 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: you so much for joining us this morning. 844 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 2: Pleasure to be here, thank you. 845 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: And Marie Claire Booby, the Attorney General of the Northern Territory, 846 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. 847 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 3: Katie. I do want to remind territories that on Sunday, 848 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 3: it's our twelve month anniversary of a new government. Well, 849 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 3: the Chief Minister will be out speaking very loudly about 850 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 3: what we've achieved so far. 851 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 1: Well, and we are going to have a special edition 852 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,320 Speaker 1: of the show on Monday as well. The Chief Minister 853 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: will join us for an extended interview to talk a 854 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: little bit more about that year, that first year and 855 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: if you want it into an email and let us 856 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: know how you think the government's gone over that first year. 857 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: I love to hear from you three sixty at Mix one, 858 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 1: O four nine dot com dot au. Marie Claire, Gary, 859 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: thank you both so much for joining us today. 860 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:11,800 Speaker 3: Thank you