WEBVTT - Is renting your clothes actually better for the environment?

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this is the daily This is the daily

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<v Speaker 1>oas oh, now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning and welcome to the Daily Ours. Happy Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the twelfth of April.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Zara, I'm Sam.

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<v Speaker 4>In the age of.

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<v Speaker 2>Fast fashion and on demand expectations of clothing all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>a new trend is emerging, renting. More and more people

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<v Speaker 2>are looking to borrow clothes or rent their own clothes out,

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<v Speaker 2>both for sustainability and financial reasons. In today's deep dive,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm speaking to doctor Lisa Lake. She's the director of

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<v Speaker 2>uts's Center of Excellence in Sustainable Fashion and Textiles, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be speaking to her about the way

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<v Speaker 2>her team is working to track the environmental impact of

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<v Speaker 2>borrowing and renting clothes. Before we get to that chat, Sam,

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<v Speaker 2>it's making headlines.

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<v Speaker 3>The Australian Actual Commission has raised concern over an anticipated

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<v Speaker 3>low turnout of voters at tomorrow's by election in the

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<v Speaker 3>Sydney seat of Cook. The seat had been held by

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<v Speaker 3>former Prime Minister Scott Morrison since two thousand and seven

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<v Speaker 3>before he quit politics in February. Early votes are down

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<v Speaker 3>eleven percent from the twenty twenty two federal election. It

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<v Speaker 3>prompted the AEC to remind voters in the seat to

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<v Speaker 3>cast their ballot or risk being fined. Liberal Party candidate

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<v Speaker 3>Simon Kennedy is expected to win Morrison's old seat.

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<v Speaker 2>US President Joe Biden has promised to back Israel if

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<v Speaker 2>Iran launches an attack against the country. Biden said the

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<v Speaker 2>US's commitment to Israel's security against threats from Iran and

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<v Speaker 2>its proxies is quote ironclad, and that his country would

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<v Speaker 2>do all it can to protect Israel's security. It comes

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<v Speaker 2>after Iran accused Israel of striking its embassy in Damascus,

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<v Speaker 2>leader Iotola alifhan Manis said when Israel attacked our consulate area,

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<v Speaker 2>Israel will be punished.

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<v Speaker 3>New Soupales police have made the largest single seizure of

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<v Speaker 3>pharmaceutical drugs in the state's history. Officers discovered seven hundred

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<v Speaker 3>this week. The drugs were due to be sold on

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<v Speaker 3>the black market for an estimated twelve million bucks. As

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<v Speaker 3>part of the same investigation, police also seized one million

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<v Speaker 3>The twenty eight year old driver was arrested.

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<v Speaker 2>And the good news Researchers in Europe are a step

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<v Speaker 5>back to the deep.

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<v Speaker 4>Dive, Sam.

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<v Speaker 2>We have just finished what can only be called a

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<v Speaker 2>marathon wedding season. Every single game with Buster, every single

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<v Speaker 2>weekend might not be a wedding, but there's a wedding

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<v Speaker 2>adjacent event. Whether it be a Hen's, a Bucks tea, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>it is an event that clothing clothing of the highest order.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that something my friends and I have

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<v Speaker 2>been speaking about a lot is this pressure to have

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<v Speaker 2>outfits for all of these.

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<v Speaker 4>Many, many occasions.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why I was so interested when I saw

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<v Speaker 2>that UTS had announced new research with The Vault, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a company that does peer to peer renting of clothes.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen it before, a couple of my friends have

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<v Speaker 2>used it, and so I was really interested to see

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<v Speaker 2>what this research partnership was all about. Because these sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of rental services where you can rent your clothes out

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<v Speaker 2>and rent other people's clothes, they've been cropping up all

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<v Speaker 2>over the place.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen one in America called rent the run Way,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a really big one, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And there are many and they seem to be

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<v Speaker 2>really growing in popularity. But now in the Vault, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got a company who is actively working with an independent

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<v Speaker 2>University to undergo thorough research on whether or not renting

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<v Speaker 2>clothing is actually going to be better for the environment

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<v Speaker 2>than buying clothing. And I just want to stress that

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<v Speaker 2>because I do you think it's really interesting they have

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<v Speaker 2>commissioned this research and it might come out and suggest

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<v Speaker 2>that it's not more environmentally friendly, which could undermine the

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<v Speaker 2>entire business proposition of the vault.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it seems unlikely, but it's possible.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's a really fascinating case study into these

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<v Speaker 2>kind of new businesses that are being created to solve

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<v Speaker 2>an environmental problem, but we don't necessarily have the data

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<v Speaker 2>to back it up yet. And now this is the

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<v Speaker 2>first time that we're going to and I do just

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<v Speaker 2>want to quickly set the scene for you as to

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<v Speaker 2>why this is an important conversation to be having, because

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<v Speaker 2>I think that there could be people that are listening

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<v Speaker 2>to this, you know, the renting and buying of dresses,

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<v Speaker 2>roll their eyes, say I don't care, doesn't matter to me,

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<v Speaker 2>but it should.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you why tell me so.

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<v Speaker 2>Australia is the world's second largest consumer of textiles WOW,

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<v Speaker 2>and contributes over two hundred thousand tons of clothing to

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<v Speaker 2>landfill each year. So we've got a problem in this

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<v Speaker 2>country when it comes to the volume that we are assuming.

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<v Speaker 3>So how many items of clothing are you talking then?

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<v Speaker 2>So one point five billion new items of clothing are

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<v Speaker 2>bought per year and about one in eight items are.

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<v Speaker 3>Reused, so that means seven of eight are not correct.

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<v Speaker 4>Good maths, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>And more than half of new clothes born in Australia

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<v Speaker 2>are made from synthetic materials, so things like polyester.

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<v Speaker 3>And the impact then is that they can't be reused

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<v Speaker 3>as easily.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and that that's worse for the environment.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's in that context, and it's in that landscape

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<v Speaker 3>that these rental companies are unsurprisingly popping up more and more.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think it is going to be really significant

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<v Speaker 3>to see what the research does say about whether renting

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<v Speaker 3>is better or the same as buying new clothes. It

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<v Speaker 3>seems to you know, for my unqualified research, it seems

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<v Speaker 3>to me that the more life you can get out

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<v Speaker 3>of an item, the better for the planet it will be. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but is there much data actually on this topic.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, in terms of this specific idea of rentals,

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<v Speaker 2>there's not a heap of independent data we do know

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<v Speaker 2>that the Vault, So again that business that is partnering

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<v Speaker 2>with UTS, the Vault itself has released some data that's

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<v Speaker 2>not from uts's own research. They haven't begun that yet,

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<v Speaker 2>but from that data, we know that one dress rented

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<v Speaker 2>to thirty nine users instead of thirty eight additional purchases

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<v Speaker 2>of the same garment save the equivalent carbon emissions of

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred and seven trees. So again that's not university

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<v Speaker 2>led research. That is a company saying that that's what

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<v Speaker 2>they've found using a publicly available calculator, but gives you

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<v Speaker 2>a sense of the numbers.

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<v Speaker 4>And the vulgme that we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>So now I want to go to the chat that

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<v Speaker 2>I have with Lisa. She's the director of uts's Center

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<v Speaker 2>of Excellence in Sustainable Fashion and Textiles, and we ch

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<v Speaker 2>added a bit about what this partnership is, about why

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<v Speaker 2>it's important, and what they're hoping to find through and

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<v Speaker 2>what it might mean for the industry. I know that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of my friends will be really interested in

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<v Speaker 2>this chat. So without further ado, here's doctor Lisa. Lisa,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for joining the Daily As today.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I do want to just start at the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>You have announced in your research partnership. Can you just

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<v Speaker 2>tell me a bit about it and why it has

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<v Speaker 2>come to be in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, really, I'm so excited about this partnership. It's

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<v Speaker 1>with a company called the Vault, and they are what

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<v Speaker 1>we call a peer to peer rental company. That basically

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<v Speaker 1>means we've got just regular people who own some gorgeous

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<v Speaker 1>designer gowns that rent them to other people for various

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<v Speaker 1>points of time. This is a real example of a

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<v Speaker 1>circular economy business model where you're sharing the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>over and over with a lot of different users, if

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<v Speaker 1>you will. So what this research is going to do is,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, take some environmental measurements to say is

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<v Speaker 1>this really a more sustainable business model or not.

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<v Speaker 6>We all assume that it is.

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<v Speaker 1>We all assume that because you're using the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>over and over and it's not going into the landfill

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<v Speaker 1>too soon, we're not all buying a dress for every occasion,

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<v Speaker 1>that there will be a positive environmental benefit. But what

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<v Speaker 1>the Vault is doing by engaging us in this research

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<v Speaker 1>is really just testing that to make sure it's possible.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm really king to understand you spoke there about

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<v Speaker 2>actually having the evidence the metrics to go by to

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<v Speaker 2>understand whether this is a more sustainable way to go about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, acquiring new clothing. What are those metrics that

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<v Speaker 2>you're measuring. How do you actually do that analysis?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so we have a team of very talented economists

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<v Speaker 1>and they're looking at things like where the garment originated,

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<v Speaker 1>where the material originated, where the various inputs, so the materials,

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<v Speaker 1>the energy, the labor that go into making that garment.

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<v Speaker 1>They're looking at those types of figures to get basically

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<v Speaker 1>like a footprint for that garment, and then also looking

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<v Speaker 1>at what we call the use phace. So when that

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<v Speaker 1>dress is being used and being worn, how far is

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<v Speaker 1>it traveling between each renter, How is it being laundered,

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<v Speaker 1>so is it being hand washed, is it being dry cleaned.

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<v Speaker 6>If it's being dry cleaned, what.

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<v Speaker 1>Chemicals are being used, And then also what are the

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<v Speaker 1>steps that are being taken to maybe even extend the

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<v Speaker 1>life of that dress further through mending and repairs.

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<v Speaker 6>So they're really taking this full.

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<v Speaker 1>Glance at everything that goes into making that dress from

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning through its kind of useful life, if you.

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<v Speaker 2>Will, and are there any initial findings that you can

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<v Speaker 2>point to, like, do we know whether it is a

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<v Speaker 2>good thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, the Vault has done some initial research using

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<v Speaker 1>a calculator tool that's available for businesses to hire, and

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<v Speaker 1>we do know that the more that you rent a dress,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely the better impact it has on the environment. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what, you know, what the break even

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<v Speaker 1>point is for exams. Every garment will be a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit different. But when you see some of the dresses

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<v Speaker 1>that are being rented or being rented twenty times, thirty times,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty times, it's undeniable that you're saving carbon and you're

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<v Speaker 1>saving water in those scenarios.

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<v Speaker 2>And are there any example, because we're talking here more

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<v Speaker 2>about high end fashion, but obviously there are some cost

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<v Speaker 2>of living pressures and all of these things. How does

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<v Speaker 2>that balance between I guess the economics of it all

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<v Speaker 2>versus the sustainability, Like, how are you thinking about that?

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<v Speaker 6>That's a really important question.

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<v Speaker 1>The analysis we're doing does incorporate economics as well, so

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be looking at the cost of those garments. And

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things we're hoping comes out of the research,

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<v Speaker 1>but we will have to wait and see, is that

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<v Speaker 1>those garments that are made of a better quality, made

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<v Speaker 1>of stronger materials, made with better quality stitches and buttons,

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<v Speaker 1>and for us that those are going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to stay in circulation for longer. And in that case

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<v Speaker 1>you may be able to well, you will you are

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<v Speaker 1>able to rent a dress for a lot less than

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<v Speaker 1>buying that same dress. So there's an environmental aspect, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's also for somebody who loves fashion or loves dressing,

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<v Speaker 1>there is that kind of avenue for joy of wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a really well made garment that you can access via

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<v Speaker 1>rental rather than ownership.

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<v Speaker 2>I am really curious as part of this research, will

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<v Speaker 2>participants be asked why they have chosen to rent, because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there are these two very key reasons, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think will be really interesting to understand which one

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<v Speaker 2>is coming out on top. Whether you know, we know

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<v Speaker 2>young people care about the environment, but equally they're most

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<v Speaker 2>affected by this cost of living crisis. So curious to

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<v Speaker 2>understand how that can be monitored.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, we're calling them the borrow yesers who are

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed definitely are being asked about their motivations for why

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<v Speaker 1>they're renting, So it's they'll be asked a range of

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<v Speaker 1>questions from motivations through the experience, and is there kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a like is it a net positive benefit to

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<v Speaker 1>their lives? Is it helping or is it or is

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<v Speaker 1>it not to really understand their motivations.

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<v Speaker 2>Are there any environmental downsides to this peer to peer borrowing?

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<v Speaker 2>Are there any unintended or perhaps unforeseen emissions like even

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the use of the internet. Are there any

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<v Speaker 2>environmental impacts that you weren't expecting to say play out

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<v Speaker 2>in this Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're just at the beginning of our research,

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<v Speaker 1>but what we've seen in research in other rental markets

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<v Speaker 1>is really looking at whether that garment was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be used or not, and is it genuinely replacing a purchase.

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<v Speaker 1>So what we do know from previous research is that

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<v Speaker 1>occasion wear, which is what these dresses are, occasionwear, is

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely a category that you're getting positive environmental impact from

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<v Speaker 1>renting because that's something most of us have done it.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm guilty of it. You have an.

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<v Speaker 2>Event coming out, I have a wedding every weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, you don't want to wear the same thing. Who

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<v Speaker 1>wants to wear the same thing? You just don't, So

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<v Speaker 1>you go quickly buy something whatever's in your budget is

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<v Speaker 1>what you're going to buy where once, maybe twice if

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<v Speaker 1>you're lucky, and it might then just sit in your

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<v Speaker 1>closet for a really long time, or you'll donate it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we do know from previous research that occasionwear is

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing place to get positive environmental benefits. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the things that I'm curious to find out with this

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<v Speaker 1>research is the transportation effect, So where the garment is traveling,

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<v Speaker 1>how far are they traveling across Australia. We've got a

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<v Speaker 1>huge country, so like a geographically huge country, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be interesting to see what those environmental measurements

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<v Speaker 1>are for the transportation in particular. Laundering often gets queried

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<v Speaker 1>when people start thinking about this, well, what's the impact

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<v Speaker 1>of the dry cleaning, But whether that's actually different to

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who owns a dress and goes and cleans it

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<v Speaker 1>anyway is probably negligible. But again we're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>looking at those types of measurements.

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<v Speaker 2>And lastly, as an expert in this area, do you

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<v Speaker 2>see this as the future of fashion or is it

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<v Speaker 2>a phase? Do you think that this is something that

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<v Speaker 2>will really take hold in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that it is an area for the future.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's going to be a lot of interesting

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<v Speaker 1>new business models coming out, But I genuinely think rental

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<v Speaker 1>and shared ownership is one hundred percent going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a trend for a really long time, especially because we're

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<v Speaker 1>at this really unique point of the ultra fast fashion

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<v Speaker 1>companies coming up at a time when we know that

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<v Speaker 1>we need to make some significant changes to the white

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<v Speaker 1>closer are made and purchased and worn and all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So this rental really allows that, like the fun side

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<v Speaker 1>of fashion to be enjoyed still because at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the day, yes, we all need to wear clothes

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<v Speaker 1>for a whole lot of various reasons, but we also

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<v Speaker 1>love to express ourselves and sharing ownership of garments allows

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<v Speaker 1>us to change our style, to try different things without

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<v Speaker 1>having to own everything. And as you mentioned before, there's

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<v Speaker 1>environmental benefits to those of us borrowing the clothes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>which might be a huge financial outlay to buy a

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<v Speaker 1>designer dress, but still enjoy it. So I genuinely think so.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it's also about getting these models right.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much for joining us on the daily Oslice.

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<v Speaker 4>I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, anytime.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much, a really fascinating chat. That's all

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<v Speaker 3>we've got time for on today's edition of The Daily

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