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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily Ours. Happy Friday.

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Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm Sam.

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Speaker 4: In the age of.

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Speaker 2: Fast fashion and on demand expectations of clothing all the time,

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Speaker 2: a new trend is emerging, renting. More and more people

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Speaker 2: are looking to borrow clothes or rent their own clothes out,

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Speaker 2: both for sustainability and financial reasons. In today's deep dive,

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Speaker 2: I'm speaking to doctor Lisa Lake. She's the director of

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Speaker 2: uts's Center of Excellence in Sustainable Fashion and Textiles, and

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Speaker 2: her team is working to track the environmental impact of

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Speaker 2: it's making headlines.

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Speaker 3: The Australian Actual Commission has raised concern over an anticipated

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Speaker 2: And the good news Researchers in Europe are a step

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Speaker 4: Dive, Sam.

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Speaker 2: We have just finished what can only be called a

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Speaker 2: marathon wedding season. Every single game with Buster, every single

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Speaker 2: weekend might not be a wedding, but there's a wedding

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Speaker 2: adjacent event. Whether it be a Hen's, a Bucks tea, whatever,

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Speaker 2: And I think that something my friends and I have

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Speaker 4: Many, many occasions.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I was so interested when I saw

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Speaker 2: that UTS had announced new research with The Vault, which

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Speaker 2: is a company that does peer to peer renting of clothes.

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Speaker 2: I've seen it before, a couple of my friends have

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Speaker 3: I've seen one in America called rent the run Way,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And there are many and they seem to be

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Speaker 2: And so it's a really fascinating case study into these

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Speaker 2: I think that there could be people that are listening

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Speaker 2: to this, you know, the renting and buying of dresses,

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Speaker 2: roll their eyes, say I don't care, doesn't matter to me,

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Speaker 2: Australia is the world's second largest consumer of textiles WOW,

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Speaker 3: So how many items of clothing are you talking then?

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Speaker 2: So one point five billion new items of clothing are

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Speaker 3: Reused, so that means seven of eight are not correct.

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Speaker 2: And more than half of new clothes born in Australia

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Speaker 3: And the impact then is that they can't be reused

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Speaker 4: Yes, and that that's worse for the environment.

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Speaker 3: So it's in that context, and it's in that landscape

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Speaker 3: And I think it is going to be really significant

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Speaker 2: but from that data, we know that one dress rented

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Speaker 2: led research. That is a company saying that that's what

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Speaker 4: And the vulgme that we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: So now I want to go to the chat that

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Speaker 2: Now I do want to just start at the beginning.

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Speaker 2: You have announced in your research partnership. Can you just

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, really, I'm so excited about this partnership. It's

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Speaker 1: means we've got just regular people who own some gorgeous

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Speaker 1: you will. So what this research is going to do is,

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Speaker 6: We all assume that it is.

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Speaker 1: We all assume that because you're using the same thing

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Speaker 1: too soon, we're not all buying a dress for every occasion,

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Speaker 1: that there will be a positive environmental benefit. But what

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Speaker 2: And I'm really king to understand you spoke there about

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Speaker 1: it traveling between each renter, How is it being laundered,

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Speaker 2: Will, and are there any initial findings that you can

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Speaker 1: a calculator tool that's available for businesses to hire, and

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Speaker 1: we do know that the more that you rent a dress,

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Speaker 1: absolutely the better impact it has on the environment. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know what, you know, what the break even

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Speaker 1: fifty times, it's undeniable that you're saving carbon and you're

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Speaker 2: And are there any example, because we're talking here more

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Speaker 2: of living pressures and all of these things. How does

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Speaker 1: The analysis we're doing does incorporate economics as well, so

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Speaker 1: it'll be looking at the cost of those garments. And

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Speaker 1: one of the things we're hoping comes out of the research,

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Speaker 2: Are there any environmental downsides to this peer to peer borrowing?

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Speaker 2: Are there any unintended or perhaps unforeseen emissions like even

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Speaker 1: I think we're just at the beginning of our research,

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Speaker 1: So what we do know from previous research is that

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Speaker 1: Exactly, you don't want to wear the same thing. Who

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Speaker 2: And lastly, as an expert in this area, do you

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Speaker 1: I do think that it is an area for the future.

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Speaker 1: I think there's going to be a lot of interesting

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Speaker 1: So this rental really allows that, like the fun side

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