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Speaker 1: Do your kids refuse to eat anything unless it is

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Speaker 1: served with a hearty side of tomato sauce? Or do you,

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Speaker 1: even as an adult, go searching for the tomato sauce

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Speaker 1: bottle whenever you serve up your hot meal each night?

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Speaker 1: Like many condiments, there are many different varieties of tomato

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Speaker 1: sauce available in the supermarket. So today on the Nutrition

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Speaker 1: Couch Product Review, we take a closer look at our

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Speaker 1: favorite tomato sauce varieties to help you choose the healthiest

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Speaker 1: option for your petree.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: I'm Leanne Wood.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Sussi Burrow, and as two of.

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Speaker 1: Australias leading dietitians who specialize in everything evidence, space nutrition,

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Speaker 1: we bring you the Nutrition Couch Product Review, a weekly

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Speaker 1: chat on new products and old favorites that you can

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Speaker 1: find at the supermarkets. Firstly, Sussi, do the twins eat

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Speaker 1: tomato sauce or do they love to smother their meals

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Speaker 1: in a good old Aussie favorite tomato sauce?

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm probably more guilty than them, actually, Like I

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Speaker 2: like tomato sauce with things like a schnitzel or any

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Speaker 2: kind of red meat. So I'm certainly someone who if

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Speaker 2: I don't have it at home, I'll have to go

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Speaker 2: and get some. Like I do like it, and my

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Speaker 2: boys do have it, but they're not obsessed. They're certainly

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Speaker 2: not kids to add it to everything. They like it

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Speaker 2: with a sausage, but you know, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: brag and get people outside. But they're pretty good with

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Speaker 2: their food, so they don't. If they didn't have it,

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Speaker 2: they wouldn't throw a tantrum the way I would, probably

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Speaker 2: more me. So it's interesting. I've always let them have it.

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Speaker 2: I've never been overly amal about not having it at home,

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Speaker 2: but I'm certainly not someone who serves it with vegetables.

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Speaker 2: It would certainly only be with things like lean sausages

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Speaker 2: hamburger out. So it's not something we serve at the

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Speaker 2: table every night by any meansley at it's certainly reserved

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Speaker 2: for meat in general, or maybe a schnitzlot times. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I did think though that this is a very topical

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Speaker 2: of different options out there, and there's also perception to

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Speaker 2: mosals can be quite high in sugar, and indeed, if

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Speaker 2: your child is having, you know, a good tablespoon. You

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Speaker 2: know that can add up to almost twenty grams of

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Speaker 2: four pair who are trying to often conjole kids to

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Speaker 2: much is too much. It's a segment that's quite pertinent,

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Speaker 2: and I would also say there is a growing range.

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Speaker 2: I put the products together this week, and I was

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Speaker 2: a bit sort of pleasantly surprised how many there are

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Speaker 2: out there. But as just a general rule of someone sources,

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Speaker 2: as I would describe to any of my clients, including parents,

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Speaker 2: I have a rule of one sauce per meal and

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Speaker 2: about a twenty cent piece worth of sauce. So if

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Speaker 2: is a great way to teach them control and just

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Speaker 2: not adding more and more. So I think that's a

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Speaker 2: good guide for all of us. If you're a source lover,

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Speaker 2: whether it's barbecue, sauce, mayonnaise, whatever the condoment is, that

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Speaker 2: you add, measure it and have a set amount rather

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Speaker 2: serve a whole lot more. So keep that in mind too.

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Speaker 1: And I definitely don't have a twenty cent piece of

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Speaker 1: tomato sauce with my meals because I am a tomato

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Speaker 2: Oh you love it. I'm surpr I'm shocked. I know what.

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Speaker 1: Every time I put it on my Instagram stories, people

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Speaker 1: like what you eat tomato sauce, I'm like, oh man,

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Speaker 1: I can't get enough of it, particularly in my eggs.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big Yeah, I love a little bit of

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Speaker 1: tomato sauce with my eggs. What's bad, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: You know someone and then they have tomato sauce with

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Speaker 1: Jeez, if it's like it's just like a like a

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Speaker 2: It's not role modeling very well for me, or is it.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have to get David to role model there? Goodness,

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Speaker 2: As I said, I'm sure he's not really a sauce person.

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Speaker 2: Grabbing on about my own kids. And here's you a

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Speaker 2: dirty sauce eater. There you go. You heard it here,

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Speaker 2: First Land fitness dietician tomato sauce. He loves a good

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Speaker 2: tomato sauce. Well, I hope you're choosing one of the

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Speaker 2: good ones. I'll tell you the ones I've chosen.

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Speaker 1: Shy oh, absolutely, mine's on the list.

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Speaker 2: So the first one I've gone to is the Coals.

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Speaker 2: Now this is I hadn't seen this before actually, and

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Speaker 2: compared to some of them. So per serve, which is

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Speaker 2: much you're using. It's got just shy of one hundred

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Speaker 2: killo jewels, which is about twenty twenty. Is that twenty

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Speaker 2: five calories? No, not even twenty that twenty calories per serve.

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Speaker 2: It's right there in front of me. Hardly any protein,

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Speaker 2: no fat, which is what you would expect. Carbohydrate. Now

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Speaker 2: gams of carbo hydrate per serve, but no sugar. Now

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Speaker 2: to me, that label is in trouble because it should

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Speaker 2: It's I thought it was a legislative requirement to list sugar.

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Speaker 2: So that's a bit dodged on the label calls you

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Speaker 2: need to fix that asap. I will assume that most

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sodium just shy one hundred milligrams, which is pretty

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Speaker 2: the ingredients here tomato pure seventy nine percent, which is

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Speaker 2: Now my concern here, Lyanne, is this is the one

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Speaker 2: I don't like sugar on the label of my tomato

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Speaker 2: and I would say no, I don't think it's a

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Speaker 1: home brand three point one grams of sugars perserve, so

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Speaker 2: Master Foods tomato sauce with hidden vegetables. Now, if I'm

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Speaker 2: just doesn't go together. So I myself wouldn't buy a

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Speaker 2: The calories and the Killer Duels. This is a serve

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Speaker 2: potato pure five five percent, so you're getting sort of

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Speaker 2: another nine percent vegetables which takes the vegetable content of

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Speaker 1: And the marketing does sort of say it's got five

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Speaker 1: Fifteen meal serve is a very small Yeah, there's no

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Speaker 1: At the bottom of it, so it's contains seventy nine

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Speaker 2: concentrated amounts of lykopene, a very powerful anti cancer molecule,

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Speaker 1: And with your tomatoes when you're cooking them, you activate

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