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Speaker 1: We had Billie Eilish last week, and this week we

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Speaker 1: sit down with arguably her predecessor in terms of Queen

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Speaker 1: of Pop. I mean, she's probably the probably the Queen regent,

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Speaker 1: and Billy's probably the princess at the moment, although you know,

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Speaker 1: very much on her way to being queen, hard sort

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Speaker 1: of figure, and Madonna's probably know the queen mother. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: they're a royal family.

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Speaker 2: Big members of the royal family of Pop.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it, no doubt about it. And

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Speaker 1: we have.

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Speaker 2: Spoken to both of them within the span of two weeks. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so we did do this earlier, yep. But here he

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Speaker 2: is our chat with did we call her queen in

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Speaker 2: the end? Queen of Pop?

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Speaker 1: Not to face lady, oh, lady O the lady. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that makes it the Lady of Gaga.

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Great? Cool?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we know, we're really well, thanks mate, We're it

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Speaker 1: is six o'clock in the morning here, so we've kind

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Speaker 1: of like it's pretty funny. We both walk up and

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Speaker 1: I was like, did you dream about Lady Gargo last night?

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Speaker 3: What he was like, yep, is the minute you walked

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Speaker 3: down yeahred percent, Yeah, I don't think about it. I

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Speaker 3: just like, before I even talk, I'm just drinking xp us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. It was a weird morning. We're both

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Speaker 1: out here in my backyard drinking coffee and talking about

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Speaker 1: our dreams of you, which I never thought would happened.

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Speaker 1: But here we are.

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Speaker 2: We feel like we know you quite well actually, because

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Speaker 2: we've dreamt about you all night.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy for that.

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Speaker 1: Entirely platonic, by the way, Like I don't want this

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Speaker 1: to sound sick in any in any way, they were

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, A friendly dream.

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Speaker 1: A friendly dream, A friendly A very friendly dream. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: not very friendly, je friendly anyway. Hey, mate, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about Mayhem. I'm really interested because I saw an l

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Speaker 1: magazine that you said that this is the first record

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Speaker 1: whereby you kind of tapped into your persona rather than

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Speaker 1: the Lady Gaga persona. And I know that you've to

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Speaker 1: write where the music has come from. And I and

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Speaker 1: I've and I've heard you talk a lot about your

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Speaker 1: mental health, and I know that Gaga is you know,

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Speaker 1: and I imagine I've had a lot of mental health

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Speaker 1: issues as well. A beautiful shield at times and a

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Speaker 1: beautiful mask for you. I'm just really and obviously there's

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Speaker 1: the track Disease on there, which is about you sort

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Speaker 1: of confronting you in the darkness, and I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to know, like, did you was there a moment where

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Speaker 1: you got to the piano. Imagine you're in there pounding coffees,

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Speaker 1: dreaming of Will and Woody at six am in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Did you did you sit down and you were like, oh,

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Speaker 1: like this is this is Stephanie at the piano today, Like, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, I think that what I realized is that this

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Speaker 3: like style of music that I started when I was

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Speaker 3: a teenager, it's like a huge part of who I am,

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Speaker 3: and that I like I departed in a way after

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Speaker 3: my first few studio albums. I think because part of

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Speaker 3: and I actually love that part of it in a

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Speaker 3: people think. You know. I realized that I've always had

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Speaker 3: these kind of like, uh, these like dark dreams since

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Speaker 3: I was a kid, and my music is an expression

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Speaker 3: a way to turn my nightmares into things that are fun.

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Speaker 3: So I think in a way, yeah, I did feel

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Speaker 3: like you know, Stephanie. But I think also I'm I'm

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Speaker 3: kind I'm both now. Yeah, I'm both now, and I

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Speaker 3: don't I don't feel like a separation between myself as

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Speaker 3: a female artist yea, And I don't feel the need

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Speaker 3: to play a character in the same way. But that's

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Speaker 3: also because I integrated the character fully into my life,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that the same when you step

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Speaker 2: out onto the stage, Gaga? Like is it you know,

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Speaker 3: No, I think it's it's both because it's like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I have to bring my heart with me otherwise. I

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Speaker 3: mean some of who like Gaga became over the years

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Speaker 3: was like maybe not my favorite person.

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Speaker 1: And you've got no control over that, like you're like,

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Speaker 1: oh jaysus, like back off, Garga, like who are you today?

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Speaker 3: Kind of. I mean, there was like there was definitely

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Speaker 3: in my twenties and I just was like traveling and

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Speaker 3: you know, my life really revolved around my career, and

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Speaker 3: you know, it's Nice, I'm thirty eight now. It's it's

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Speaker 3: nice to like have a full life that encompasses like

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Speaker 3: that person on stage with me, I can also bring

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Speaker 3: like that kind of warmth to the audience. It's both

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Speaker 3: right and because I don't know, I didn't find it

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Speaker 3: fulfilling when everything was all about my career. But I

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Speaker 3: do view like making music as a gift to fans

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Speaker 3: as like a huge privilege, Like I'm so excited for

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Speaker 3: my album to come out because I'm just like, I

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Speaker 3: made this thing for you that I really want. I

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Speaker 3: really should have a good time listening too.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 2: I want to touch on that idea of the making

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Speaker 2: of the music. I've heard you say before that when

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Speaker 2: you are making music, you actually listen, like you are

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Speaker 2: listening to the melody that will come to you. I'm

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Speaker 2: curious to know. Is that something that you turn on

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Speaker 2: and off or does it hit you at really inconvenient times,

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Speaker 2: like the grocery shopping or something, and you'll all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden like, oh no, I've got a banger in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it can hit it inconvenient times for sure, And

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Speaker 3: when I'm I'm writing a lot, it comes a lot

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Speaker 3: more frequently. It's like so cute, like when I'm with

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Speaker 3: my man, Like like when I'm with Michael, like we'll

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Speaker 3: be doing something and if I've been working like all day,

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Speaker 3: and then I like have another idea, I'm like he like, see,

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Speaker 3: He's like, just go do it, like he knows, like

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Speaker 3: I have to like go write the song.

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Speaker 1: What's the most inconvenient time that that's sort of come

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Speaker 3: I mean probably probably like when I'm.

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Speaker 3: But I sleep with the phone by the bed, and

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Speaker 3: then like sometimes like Michael will just hear me being

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Speaker 1: Would be in the other room so fast in my

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Speaker 2: Get how often? How is that always something good as well?

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Speaker 2: Because sometimes I have a little notepad by my by

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Speaker 2: the worst idea I've ever written down.

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Speaker 3: Every once in a while, yes, every once in a while,

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Speaker 3: I'll hear it back and I'm like, man, I thought

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Speaker 1: Two very quick questions for you. Firstly, acting, Your acting

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Speaker 1: is amazing, obviously loved House of Girchie, Star is Born

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Speaker 1: is incredible. I saw after you did Joker most recently

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Speaker 1: that the director was saying that you and Joaquin in

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Speaker 1: a league of your own, and I just think it's

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Speaker 1: fascinating that you've just kind of, you know, sort of

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Speaker 1: and you know, to hear someone say that you're in

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Speaker 1: a league of your own with Joaquin fanish. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: Meryl Streep was furious about that. But do you are

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Speaker 1: there other people who I think Winslet was furious, but

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Speaker 1: were you kind of like, are you looking at there

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Speaker 1: are other careers that should be shaking in their boots

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Speaker 1: because it just feels like whatever you turn your attention to,

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Speaker 1: your dominate. So should the accountants of the world be

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Speaker 3: So no, you know, like world domination, it's not really

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Speaker 3: like yes, Like I honestly I love making films, I

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Speaker 3: love making music, I love designing shows, I love right.

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Speaker 3: I love makeup, you know, like I'm I think the

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Speaker 3: because I worked with Tony Bennett for many years and

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Speaker 3: he used to always say to me, like he used

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Speaker 3: to go stick with quality, kid, And I think the

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Speaker 1: Love working really hard.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just excited to like make stuff and you know,

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Speaker 3: fully some people will like it. They don't always, but

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Speaker 3: you know, like all you can do is like try

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Speaker 3: to contribute to culture. And I really love my fans

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Speaker 3: and I'm excited for them to hear my new music

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Speaker 3: and see the new projects.

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Speaker 1: I'm working on. And yeah, well we love you, Mite,

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Speaker 1: thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Will and Woodie. I'll talk to you guys soon