WEBVTT - Interview: Rogue Traders 

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<v Speaker 1>Small Z, now on KISS.

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<v Speaker 2>They're back, baby. They've got a brand new song and

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<v Speaker 2>we are about to play it here at KISS for

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<v Speaker 2>the very first time. Hey, what's up?

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<v Speaker 1>This is Nat Bass.

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<v Speaker 3>And James Ash.

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<v Speaker 1>We are the Road Traders.

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<v Speaker 2>I see you watching me watching you. You are my

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<v Speaker 2>boo-boo child, my boo-boo child.

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<v Speaker 3>You're listening to Smoothie on Kiss.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, on the show this afternoon, 21 years ago, is

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<v Speaker 2>it right, that we first got the Rogue Traders together? Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my 21st birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Where were my spring chickens?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. You look better now than you did then.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, feeling strong.

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<v Speaker 2>The Botox looks fantastic.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. Thank you for noticing.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I need some. Don't worry. Nat Bass, James, welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, wait, wait, wait. What's up? What's up?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, how are you guys? Congratulations. Rogue Traders are back,

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<v Speaker 2>if you haven't heard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's been a bloody ride. We're having the best time. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>we are having the best time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I wipe the smiles off our faces.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you actually look like you're having the time of

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<v Speaker 2>your lives.

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<v Speaker 1>We genuinely are.

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<v Speaker 3>This is real this is real i mean we've been

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<v Speaker 3>buzzing we've been haunting your radio station all day yeah

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<v Speaker 3>waiting to talk to you we've been hanging out with

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<v Speaker 3>people playing them the song we.

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<v Speaker 2>We feel like it's christmas eve right now yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right this is your gift though this.

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<v Speaker 3>Is your gift because you're our gift you're the one

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<v Speaker 3>that that we've we've come to see and yeah it's

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<v Speaker 3>it just feels really awesome to have something to share

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<v Speaker 3>and to work of course with the icon that is

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<v Speaker 3>Miss Dani Minogue.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Someone said to me, Minogue's gone rogue.

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<v Speaker 3>I know!

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. How good is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, come on.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say, because I've been saying it for

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<v Speaker 1>like months.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you come up with that? Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Minogue's gone rogue, and they're like, what? And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>How is that?

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, so I'm taking credit.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely take credit for it. But you can totally use it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I just did, so it's okay. It's okay. I just did.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've teamed up with Danny Minogue. Yeah. The song

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<v Speaker 2>is called Dirty, Dirty Disco.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We are about to give it a play for the

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<v Speaker 2>very first time here on Kiss. But before we do that,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to ask the question that everyone wants to ask. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>How much money do you owe someone? Why did we

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<v Speaker 2>decide to get the band back together? Are we in debt?

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 3>We're so in debt. Well, where do we start? Who

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<v Speaker 3>don't we owe money to?

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, actually, you know, we've actually been doing shows for

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<v Speaker 3>a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've been doing little bits and pieces.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yes. No, sorry. Sorry to interrupt. Yes, I know

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<v Speaker 2>you've been doing shows. I'd like to apologize on behalf

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<v Speaker 2>of some of my team out there. They went to

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<v Speaker 2>the Caring Bar Hotel and they were at the front

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<v Speaker 2>and they embarrassed me and they were disgraceful and I apologise.

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<v Speaker 1>That was such a night. We had a crazy time

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<v Speaker 1>that night.

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<v Speaker 2>You know I've heard.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like shoulder to shoulder. No one went to

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<v Speaker 1>the bar because there was no room to move. It

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the best.

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<v Speaker 3>It was off the chain. I don't know. I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess, you know, maybe when you hit a big

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<v Speaker 3>anniversary like 21, you do look back and you go, OK,

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<v Speaker 3>what have we done? But also, what have we done?

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<v Speaker 3>But also you stop caring as well. And you're like,

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<v Speaker 3>let's just do music that excites us, that lights us up.

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<v Speaker 3>And it doesn't matter about trying to make Voodoo Child again.

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<v Speaker 3>Forget that. You know, we're proud of that legacy.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally.

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<v Speaker 3>But let's do stuff now. that just excites us. And

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<v Speaker 3>once we made that decision, it all happened really quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>It actually did happen quickly. We started like writing, James

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<v Speaker 1>was sending like bits and pieces of like, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think? Do you like this?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you like that?

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it all happened relatively quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>And working with Dani worked quick as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So thankfully, you know, when your partner in crime is

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<v Speaker 3>the awesome Nat Bass, you know, when we're working on

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<v Speaker 3>a track, wow, imagine Dani on this. And she'd go, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>let me ask her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And so you asked her direct. Is that how

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<v Speaker 2>that came about? And you just sent her a cheeky text?

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<v Speaker 1>I sent her a cheeky text. I was like, babe,

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<v Speaker 1>this is probably strange, but we have a song and

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<v Speaker 1>we can only think of you to do this with us.

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<v Speaker 3>There was no list.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you thinking? And like, it was so quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Her response in caps was, oh my God, this is fab.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we just started talking.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then like, are you really considering doing this with us? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>is this a real thing? And yeah, it's been unreal. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, should we give everyone the chance to listen to

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<v Speaker 2>it for the very first time? Yeah, please. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Is everyone going to dance?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, everyone's going to dance, but then you can

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<v Speaker 2>do the intro because, well, hello, you're back on the radio.

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<v Speaker 2>You can plug the new song, intro it, wind it up.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you might be a little rusty.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no.

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<v Speaker 2>But you just say the name of the song and

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<v Speaker 2>then the radio... We're all ready for this. Okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>here we go. Whenever you're ready.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys, it's Nat Bass and James Ash here.

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<v Speaker 3>From the Rogue Traders, baby, and we're about to play

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<v Speaker 3>our brand new song with Danny Minogue and it's called.

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<v Speaker 1>Dirty, dirty disco. There it is. Guys, how good is that?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's good, but you know. Yes. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>feel the air moving? Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we're going for. Incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Dirty Dirty Disco featuring Danny Minogue, brand new

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<v Speaker 2>Rogue Traders. Have you got the tour that we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about a second ago, but you've added more dates, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So we had some dates at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the year, and we were getting some grief from WA

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<v Speaker 1>and some places that we hadn't been.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, come on.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>WA, South Australia, Victoria, New South Wales, Queensland.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. I love it. Yeah, it's going to be big.

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<v Speaker 3>RogueTraders.net, baby. Go check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>RogueTraders.net. Are you doing the TikToks? Because, you know, everyone

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<v Speaker 2>does the TikToks.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, no, the TikToks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're doing those. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you doing the TikToks?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, sometimes. Do you dabble?

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<v Speaker 3>I dabble.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't enjoy it. I won't lie to you, but

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<v Speaker 2>you have to do it. You have to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Should we do something?

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<v Speaker 2>We can, but I'm just asking, are you doing the TikToks?

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<v Speaker 1>We just started doing the TikToks.

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<v Speaker 3>We do.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that like doing the web?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, we sound like learners.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I should just clarify. Yes, we are

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<v Speaker 3>posting on TikTok, but we're not doing dances. Oh, but

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<v Speaker 3>you should. But no one wants to see me do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I do. Really? Sometimes, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, let me know when that moment strikes.

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<v Speaker 1>Not daily, just every now and then.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it would be cute. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, it's, yeah, it's a real thing, huh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we are on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to be, right?

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<v Speaker 2>No, you have to be. I was going to say, hey, Nat,

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<v Speaker 2>I know you're doing The Waitress, the musical.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And sadly, that had a season announced in Sydney and

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<v Speaker 2>then it didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I wanted to ask, because now that I've got you,

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<v Speaker 2>you said something to the effect of like the arts

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<v Speaker 2>are struggling or the arts are dying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that the road traders are back together, how can

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<v Speaker 2>people show up? for artists because like do you know

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<v Speaker 2>what i mean like how can everyone make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>they can do their bit to make sure the arts

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<v Speaker 2>don't die how can you support bands or whatever that might.

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<v Speaker 1>Look like i mean i know like yeah life is

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<v Speaker 1>expensive right now right it's really hard but if you've

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<v Speaker 1>got 30 40 50 depends on what show you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to we try to make our shows affordable so that

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<v Speaker 1>more people can come and experience it and i think

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing like a live show right like that The energy,

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<v Speaker 1>the connection, like it's just there's nothing like it. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>come along. Like even sharing posts of what people are

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<v Speaker 1>doing and sharing music that you like and, yeah, support

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<v Speaker 1>the arts by attending pretty much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because then sometimes if you don't go, people think, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do it next time or I'll go to the

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<v Speaker 2>next one.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the problem now, right? People do say that

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's no next time.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no next time because it falls over, right?

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<v Speaker 1>So do it in the beginning because also producers are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to have, You know, producers need long-term

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<v Speaker 1>ticket sales, but the world isn't like that anymore. No

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<v Speaker 1>one books that far in advance. They just go, what

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<v Speaker 1>are we doing tonight? Do you want to go to

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<v Speaker 1>see a show? So that's really hard too. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you think you want to see a show, book straight away.

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<v Speaker 1>And that will give the producers confidence to keep it going.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because even like the show for us, people rang

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<v Speaker 1>me and went, oh, my God, I bought my flights

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<v Speaker 1>and my hotel, but I didn't book the tickets yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just waiting until I got down there. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, well, that's quite a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what happens. Yeah, it's quite a problem. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>realize that that's sort of like– because you are right.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you do see shows, tours getting announced, and it

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<v Speaker 2>used to be long lead. Like you used to get

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<v Speaker 2>like 12 months notice that someone was coming. Now tours

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<v Speaker 2>drop and they're here next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Millions of dollars to transport people. The sets and things

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<v Speaker 1>like that from one place to another. So if they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have those pre-sales, we can't risk that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And because of that environment, I think, and because, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we were in the AI era already, right? So human-to-human

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<v Speaker 3>contact and sharing something with other people has never been

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<v Speaker 3>more important. Totally. And so when you do, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>go and experience live music in this case, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it can be quiet. quite an emotional transcending experience when

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<v Speaker 3>you're there with other human beings.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>We all need more IRL stuff. It's the connection that

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<v Speaker 3>we've lost a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Where are the rogue traders on AI, by the way?

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<v Speaker 2>Are we an AI-free band or what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. Musically.

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<v Speaker 2>Musically. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>100%.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a no. But I'm also a software developer as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you like to dabble on the side, do you?

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<v Speaker 3>So with that, it's I am.

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<v Speaker 1>This man here is like the smartest human on the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no.

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<v Speaker 1>The things that he, I like. You just blow my mind. No, no.

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<v Speaker 3>So with that, yes. But with music, absolutely not. Anything creative,

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, you're completely, no. No way. I think the.

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<v Speaker 3>Struggle is important. You know, those moments where you go,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what this chord should be or what

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<v Speaker 3>is this hook going to be? Sitting there with it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what leads to those moments. Like when we wrote

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<v Speaker 3>Voodoo Child, there was nine different top lines that we

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<v Speaker 3>wrote over the top of that song before we came

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<v Speaker 3>up with the song that people know now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the best bit, right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So the struggle is important.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So, yeah, it's interesting to get your opinion because, like,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously Australian music is having its own sort of reckoning

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<v Speaker 2>with AI vocalists and AI production and all of that jazz.

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<v Speaker 1>It should not be available. You should not be part

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<v Speaker 1>of the industry, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And look, I mean, obviously there's been big changes to

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<v Speaker 3>Aria recently.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And on Spotify, there's massive changes. And that's good. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that there isn't a place for it

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<v Speaker 3>maybe in some capacities. If it lowers the barrier of

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<v Speaker 3>entry for some people, I can appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Want it to be elitist.

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<v Speaker 2>But I guess, correct me if I'm wrong, but at

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<v Speaker 2>what stage does AI no longer become art? It's just

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<v Speaker 2>a machine churning out something versus there's no human creativity

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<v Speaker 2>behind it, right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and like I said, that struggle and those imperfections

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<v Speaker 3>that come from human beings, that's the magic.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so serious right now.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I love that. Hey, let's go back to Dirty

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<v Speaker 2>Dirty Disco. So roguetraders.net is the website.

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<v Speaker 3>Roguetraders.net.

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<v Speaker 2>Tickets go support Aussie artists, Aussie shows. Get up there.

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<v Speaker 2>Get up the front. It's a sweaty, hot mess at

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<v Speaker 2>a Rogue Traders show. I didn't see it. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>telling you what my team told me. We were sweaty.

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<v Speaker 1>They were sweaty. It was a collective sweatiness.

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<v Speaker 3>We treat every gig like it could be the last

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<v Speaker 3>show that we do. Not in a morbid way.

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<v Speaker 2>That does sound quite dark. Say it again. Say it again.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds very dark.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, let's get out there and let's do the

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<v Speaker 3>show of our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>We really do. We leave nothing on the.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, go see the road traders before they die, everybody. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Keeping it real.

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<v Speaker 2>Lovely to see you both. Thanks for being here.

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<v Speaker 3>Our pleasure. Thanks for having us.