1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,239 Speaker 1: Already and this this is the Daily. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 2: This is the Daily OS. 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 3: Oh, now it makes sense. 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday, 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: the twentieth of November. I'm Zara Seidler and I am 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 2: so excited to be back on the pod after a 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: little time away. 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 3: I'm Emma Gillespian. I'm excited too, Zara. 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: Welcome back. 10 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 3: Really really happy to have you back on the podcast today. 11 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: As am I, look, we are going straight into a 12 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: big topic. 13 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: We're not starting small. 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: We're going into a big news topic that I have 15 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: watched across the headlines over the last couple of weeks 16 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: and that culminated yesterday when the New South Wales government 17 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: announced it would amend existing laws to ban public displays 18 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: of Nazi ideology. Now we need to rewind a bit 19 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: to understand how we got here, but it is basically 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: come after a group of neo Nazis held in anti 21 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: Semita rally outside New South Wales Parliament a few weeks ago. 22 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: In today's podcast, m we are going to explain what 23 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: happened on that Sunday morning a few weeks back, what 24 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: the fallout has been and how the New South Wales 25 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: government has now. 26 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 3: Responded, Sarah, As you mentioned, this is a story that 27 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 3: has been developing for a few weeks now. The context 28 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: of it goes back several years even, but I think 29 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,639 Speaker 3: a good place to start is probably that actual event 30 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 3: that you mentioned, that neo Nazis held outside New South 31 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 3: Wales Parliament on the eighth of November, because everything that's 32 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 3: unfolded since is essentially because. 33 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: Of what happened that day exactly. 34 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 3: So can you take us through it? 35 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: Yeah? 36 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: So I remember we were all texting on a group 37 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: WhatsApp that morning saying, oh my goodness, there is this 38 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 2: image that has gone viral of essentially sixty men, all 39 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: dressed in black, standing outside New South Wales Parliament, so 40 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: just up the road from where we are now. And 41 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: that was a protest that was organized by a neo 42 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: Nazi group called the National Socialist Network. And what had 43 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: happened essentially was that that group organized to hold that 44 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: protest outside Parliament. They were standing there all in black, 45 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: some of them wearing sunglasses, others masked, but many of 46 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 2: whom were identifiable, and they were standing with a sign 47 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: in front of them that said abolish the Jewish Lobby. 48 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: Now the Sydney Morning Herald was there at the time, 49 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: and so we do have quite a lot of vision 50 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: of what actually happened that day. But we also understand 51 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: that the group chanted the slogan blood and Honor, which 52 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: we know is a chant closely associated with Hitler Youth. 53 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 2: The protest lasted about twenty minutes, just to give you 54 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: a sense of the length of it was really really short. 55 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 2: I saw one journalist refer to it as a made 56 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: for social media protest, and I think that that really 57 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 2: perfectly encapsulates it, because it was kind of this very 58 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: inflammatory photo that immediately went viral and got the whole 59 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: country talking. 60 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was not one of those protests that you 61 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 3: see with masses of thousands of people marching through the city. 62 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 3: It really did feel like a very twenty twenty five 63 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 3: kind of a protest. So it's a Sunday morning, we 64 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 3: have these sixty or so men holding up deeply offensive signs, 65 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 3: chanting Nazi slogans. I think sometimes we see these groups 66 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 3: try to be maybe a little bit more subtle in 67 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: their approach, if I can say that, But there was 68 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: no denying it here. Immediately there were questions from the 69 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: community circulating online about how this was allowed to go ahead. 70 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, exactly. That was almost straightaway. So if at 71 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: ten am these images started circulating, I'd say within the 72 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: half hour there were questions being directed to both the 73 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: Police Commissioner and later to the New South Wales premiere 74 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: about how on earth this actually happened in the first place. 75 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: Did authorities know this was going to happen? 76 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, this is the interesting thing. 77 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: So police did know it was going to happen, not 78 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: the Police Commissioner, and I'll get back to that in 79 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: a moment. But police knew it was happening because they 80 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: received a notice of intention to hold a public assembly. 81 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 2: It's just a whole lot of words to say. The 82 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: group applied to protests and that intention was made clear 83 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: on the twenty eighth of October, so days before it 84 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 2: was held. 85 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: The notice of. 86 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: Intention was filed by a group called White Australia. So 87 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,799 Speaker 2: per your previous comment about not obscuring what we're talking 88 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: about here, and they made what they wanted to do 89 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 2: really clear. I won't go into the specifics of how 90 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: the actual process of applying to protest works because I 91 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: know that you guys covered that in a pod a 92 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: little while back. It's nice to you know, have these 93 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: threads throughout the podcast. But essentially police did not object 94 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 2: to the application to hold this protest and so it 95 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 2: was allowed to occur. So it wasn't necessarily that they 96 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: ticked and it was approved that way. But because they 97 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: didn't object to it and it therefore didn't make it 98 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: to the courts, it meant that. 99 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: They were allowed to proceed. Okay. 100 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: The Police Commissioner, though, as I just said earlier, didn't 101 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: know the protest was taking place. He said that was 102 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 2: because of a communication error internally within the police force 103 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: and because he didn't know about it, he said he 104 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 2: obviously couldn't tell the New South Wales government about it, 105 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: and so they didn't know about it either. 106 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: Interesting. 107 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 3: I wonder if, because of the smaller scale of this protest, 108 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 3: if it slipped under the radar in some way. We know, 109 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 3: when there are thousands of people expected to attend a 110 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 3: protest that that requires you know, streets to be shut down, 111 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 3: extra police to be on duty, safety precautions and the 112 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 3: likes thereof. 113 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: So I wonder if it just sort of slipped through 114 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: the cracks. 115 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, every other time we've spoken about a protest 116 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: on this podcast, we've been talked about tens of thousands 117 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: of people and public safety and everything that comes with that, 118 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: But you're right, this was obviously a much smaller scale, 119 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: but there were still rightly questions about how it was 120 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 2: allowed to proceed, and we know. 121 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 3: It proceeded despite the scale that it dominated headlines a 122 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 3: few weeks ago, and in the days since, both the 123 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 3: government and police were questioned by journalists on many occasions 124 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 3: about how this was allowed to go ahead, And then 125 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: this week the attention really turned to who the men 126 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 3: in that protest actually were, because, like you mentioned, Zara, 127 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 3: many of them were visibly identifiable. 128 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do want to shout out just some excellent 129 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: journalism that I've seen here, because so much of the 130 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 2: work that has gone into identifying who these men were 131 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: were done by journalists who either attended or have been 132 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 2: able to identify these men based on things like a bracelet, 133 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: so yeah, and then being able to verify it against 134 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 2: other photos. So there's been some really incredible journalism done 135 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: in the last couple of days. But as you said, 136 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: we have now got a fuller picture of who was 137 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: actually in attendance, who those sixty men actually were, and look, 138 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: they include people like an engineer, a teacher, an employee 139 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: of Australia Post. These are, you know, men who are 140 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: working everyday jobs who have then on the weekend gone 141 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: and protested in this neo Nazi rally. I do want 142 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: to focus on one of the men. He has really 143 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: dominated the headlines. His name is Matthew Grutter. Now, based 144 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: on the ABC's reporting, we've learnt that Gruter attended the 145 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: rally and that he was wearing I said before that bracelet. 146 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 2: He was wearing a bracelet engraved with blood and honor. 147 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: Again that's the Nazi slogan. The reason there's been so 148 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: much interest in Gruta specifically is because he's actually a 149 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: South African national. He is not an Australian citizen, and 150 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: he is in this country on a and since he 151 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: was identified by media and organizations working to help identify 152 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: who was there, he has since had his visa revoked 153 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: and he will be deported from this country. 154 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: We'll be back with more of today's deep dive right 155 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 3: after a quick word from our sponsor. 156 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: So Zara. 157 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: We've got Matthew Gruder. He was identified by that bracelet. 158 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 3: Then his visa was canceled. I'm assuming that that was 159 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 3: a decision by the Immigration Department. We've had a few 160 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: kind of high profile visa stories lately. 161 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: Tony Burk's been very. 162 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: Busy, he has and it was Tony Burke who announced 163 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: the decision this week. I do want to read out 164 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: something he said. He said, We've got a really strong 165 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: principle here. If you're on a visa, you are a 166 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 2: guest in Australia. If someone turns up for the purposes 167 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: of just abusing people and wrecking the place and damaging 168 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: the cohesion, you can ask them to leave. That is 169 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 2: exactly what Tony Burke and the Immigration Department has asked 170 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: of Matthew Gruter. And there was an immigration raid. It 171 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 2: was like a seven am, very early morning immigration raid. 172 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: After he was identified and he was detained. 173 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: He is now at Villawood Detention Center where. 174 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: He is awaiting deportation, which Burke says he expects will 175 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: happen very soon. 176 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: Wow. 177 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: So this South African national is essentially in federal custody 178 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 3: awaiting deportation. So just to recap Zara, we had at 179 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 3: the beginning of the month, this rally held by Neo 180 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: Nazis outside New South Wales Parliament. Police knew it was 181 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 3: going to happen, although the Police Commissioner did not. Since then, 182 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: people who attended the rallies have been identified. We know 183 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 3: many of them are quote unquote everyday people in the community, 184 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 3: working everyday jobs. One of them is facing deportation. Has 185 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: the government responded to all of this? What has been 186 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: said at that level? 187 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really good question and we got the 188 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: I guess fullest answer yesterday in the form of legislation 189 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: from the New South Wales government. So they announced on 190 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: Wednesday that they were going to introduce amendments to the 191 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: Crimes Act that would crack down on public displays of 192 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: Nazi ideology by giving police and courts greater powers. Now, 193 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,599 Speaker 2: just to be clear, Nazi symbols things like the swastika, 194 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: for example, are already banned in New South Wales. You 195 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: cannot be publicly displaying that. But these changes will target 196 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: the actions that we saw specifically at that rally outside parliament. 197 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: Right, So it's about where you protest and where these 198 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 3: messages are broadcast. 199 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the things that's going into it, 200 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: but it's also what was being said, So you know, 201 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: a swastika is imagery, for example. But these men were chanting, 202 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 2: and so it's really doubling down on things like that. 203 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: So chance and slogans, the kind of Nazi retrick that 204 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: we were talking about, blood and honor. 205 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is really targeting that sort of thing. Got it. 206 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 3: So those like emblems, the swastika, the imagery. I guess 207 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 3: this is a little bit of a loophole that has 208 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 3: existed since that crackdown, which the New South Wales crackdown 209 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 3: triggered a national crackdown. That's a symbol that is now 210 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 3: federally outlawed. 211 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: You're exactly right, They specifically, the New South Wales government 212 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 2: specifically said they've already you know, made actions in this space, 213 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 2: but clearly there is a need to strengthen the laws, 214 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 2: and that's what this is trying to do. 215 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: Got it. So just to talk about what would. 216 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: Happen in the instance where you know, this rally were 217 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 2: to go ahead again, anyone who engages in the conduct, 218 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: which includes as we just said, using Nazi chants or 219 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: slogans in public, would face up to a year in 220 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 2: prison or a maximum fine of eleven thousand dollars. Now 221 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 2: you referred just then m to the location when somebody 222 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: is you know, using this sort of slogan or chant, 223 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: and this legislation really zeros in on that because it 224 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: says those penalties will increase if the offense is committed 225 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 2: near a synagogue, so a Jewish place of worship, or 226 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 2: a Jewish school or the Jewish Museum which is a 227 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: Holocaust museum here in Sydney, and in that instance the 228 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 2: offender would be facing up to two years imprisonment or 229 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: a twenty two thousand dollars fine. So we're exactly doubling 230 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: in the instance that this is happening near a Jewish 231 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: landmark as well. 232 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned police powers changing as well under this 233 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: New South Wales legislation. 234 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: What's the update there. 235 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the amendment would also give police new powers 236 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: to order an offender to take down the suspected Nazi symbol, 237 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,479 Speaker 2: so something like that sign that we saw outside parliament. 238 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 2: In announcing the new laws, New South Wales Attorney General said, 239 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: the deplorable stunt we saw outside New South Wales Parliament 240 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: has no place in our society. Nobody should be subject 241 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: to this vile hatred because of their background or faith. 242 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: We are giving police and the courts additional powers to 243 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: hold Nazi extremists to account for their abhorrent views. Very 244 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 2: clear language being used there from the New South Wales government. 245 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 1: And so just to finish off this law. 246 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 2: Just in terms of the process from here, yep, it's 247 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 2: been sent to a committee. Legislation often is, so a 248 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: committee will have a look at it, see if there 249 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: are any concerns with it, give some recommendations. Then it 250 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 2: will be back to the House to be voted on. 251 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 2: And we will absolutely keep our listeners updated as to 252 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 2: where that legislation ends up. 253 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 3: A really important and fascinating stories. Ara, thank you for 254 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 3: making sense of all of that. 255 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: For us, and it's so nice to have you back. 256 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: It's so good to be back, and thank you for 257 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: listening to. 258 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 3: This episode of The Daily Ours. 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