1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda jam Nation. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 2: When Daniel Laidley played AFL in the eighties and nineties 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 2: under her birth name Dean Laidley, she was known for 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: her aggressive pursuit of the ball and agility. She continued 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: in the sport by becoming a star coach. Then a 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: few years later everything came crashing down after the arrest 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 2: photos were leaked by Victorian police, and it was there 8 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: that Daniel's public life as an XAFL coach and private 9 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: life as a transgender woman collided. 10 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: Well. 11 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: Like any good sports story, hers is marked by turmoil 12 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: and incredible triumph and it's about to be shared in 13 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 2: a documentary on stand, she joins us. Now, Daniel Ladley, Hello. 14 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: Good morning, here are you both. 15 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 3: We are great and thank you for joining us. I 16 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 3: must commend you on your bravery and just watching this story, 17 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: it just it answered so many questions about transgender people. 18 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: For me, Oh, thank you. It was when we decided 19 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: going back a few years ago, we had an opportunity 20 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: to tell the story. The first the most important thing 21 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: initially was telling my story in my words and hopefully 22 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: a wide range of people will watch it and draw 23 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: something out of it. 24 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: You knew very early on that things weren't right, that 25 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 2: you thought you're in the wrong body. 26 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, from my very early age, you know, I'm not 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: too sure wrong body. How I felt on the inside. Basically, 28 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: my soul felt very differently from what was what I 29 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: was looking at in the mirror. 30 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: It must have been hard for anyone to come out 31 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: as you did with gender dysmorphia, but for someone who 32 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: was known publicly for their hard football playing years, it 33 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: must have been exponentially harder for you. 34 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: In ways, Amanda, I suppose football gave me a way 35 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: of balancing, you know, through you know, my team's years, 36 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: and as I went through and played and then and 37 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: then coached, it helped me keep what I thought was 38 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: a reasonably balanced discipline life dealing with you know, what 39 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: we now know was gendy dysporia and is gendy dysphoria. 40 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: So it was, you know, certainly a balancing act. But 41 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: at times it was very, very difficult to manage when 42 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: when my GENERISPORI it was you know, peaking, it was 43 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: it's very hard to to go about your daily life. 44 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 3: How does that manifest Daniels, As you said, it started 45 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 3: with you in the seventies, seeing a bunch of ladies 46 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 3: at your place there in Perth putting nail polish on, 47 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 3: and you had this compulsion to put nail polish on. 48 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 3: So did it just grow and grow? 49 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? That was my first recollection and there's hundreds of 50 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: those through those years and teenage years. And the first 51 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: time that I put that nail polish on, I just 52 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: there was a calmness there was I felt at peace. 53 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: It's an amazing and amazing story. And I think if 54 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: anyone has questions about transgender people, because there's a lot 55 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: of prejudice about them, was quite frankly, it's not like 56 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: we know a lot of them. But your story, I 57 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: think is going to be a trail breaking story. I 58 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 3: watched it and I got so much for it. I 59 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: felt so anxious for you when you went for your 60 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 3: reunion with the Kangaroos side the premiership side of nineteen 61 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: ninety six. But to see how your football colleagues treat you, 62 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: I found it very emotional, and. 63 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: So did I. You know, when you because I grew 64 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: up in the AFL industry, you carry this shame and 65 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: embarrassment and fear of what you know, what people would 66 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: think of you, and you know how it then came out. 67 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: I wish I could change that, but I but I can't. 68 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: But the support from my close friends or people that 69 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: I played with or I coached, and the AFL as 70 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: a whole has been absolutely incredible and I'm so very 71 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: very grateful for that. 72 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: Okay, well, here's to the future and you know, and 73 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 3: maybe reconciliation with your daughters down the track. That's the 74 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 3: that's something we'd like to see happen for you. But also, 75 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people now when they watch this, 76 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 3: they'll have a different relationship with transgender people, and I'll think, well, 77 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: hang on, you know, instead of judging, how about I 78 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 3: just listen to their story. 79 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: Yes, that's incredible, and you're right on the money, and 80 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: thank you for that. Just because you're transgender doesn't mean 81 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: you're a nutcase. You know, you are a person and 82 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: it is a medical condition. And if we can get 83 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: people to just understand that and respect that, it might 84 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: not be everyone's cup of tea. And that's okay too, 85 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: But you know, just be respectful to each other as 86 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: human beings. And for other people who might just take 87 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: one or two things out of you, they just never know. 88 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: Around the corner. It could be one of their kids, 89 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: or it could be one of their family, or could 90 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: be one of their very best friends who's going through 91 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: a similar situation. 92 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Daniel, thank you for joining. It's a great documentary. 93 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 3: It's the stands original documentary reveal Daniel Lately. Two Tribes Press, Tuesday, 94 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,559 Speaker 3: September nineteen only on Stan Dannyel say hi to Donna forus. 95 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you very much.