Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms Flex and Frooms.
Speaker 2: This is the Flex and Frooms catch Up podcast. I'm
Speaker 2: sitting here in the flexing Froom studio and next to
Speaker 2: me is a Dell PC. Have I seen a PC
Speaker 2: since high school? No? I haven't. Okay, and this dell
Speaker 2: has blood or some other red substance splattered on it.
Speaker 2: As you know, I'm living in Squala Mansion. However, when
Speaker 2: I come to my place of employment, I want it
Speaker 2: to be clean, okay, and it's not. So Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: what's happening.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like free crying for help and who's gonna say
Speaker 1: She's like, Hello, I'm living in Squaler mansion. It's not
Speaker 1: looking good. Bran need a What do you need babe?
Speaker 1: You want to check?
Speaker 2: Nah? I want to learn how to spend money on myself.
Speaker 2: So yeah, watch this space more anden do to massages day.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get one this week.
Speaker 1: Do that.
Speaker 2: I'm just too busy.
Speaker 1: Shut up somehow I disagree.
Speaker 2: That's one of the podcasts.
Speaker 1: Keeter Flex and Fromes Flex and Firms. One of the
Speaker 1: greatest skills you can learn as someone who uses the Internet,
Speaker 1: namely social media, namely TikTok is to be discerning. I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of young people wouldn't think they
Speaker 1: have a problem with fake news up until the creation
Speaker 1: of TikTok, because on Facebook, it's really quite easy to
Speaker 1: see when an article wasn't reputable or when the source
Speaker 1: wasn't reputable when it was opinion piece versus an actual,
Speaker 1: you know, actual news story. But on TikTok, there's something
Speaker 1: about the way that people speak with so much authority
Speaker 1: and certainty and things they've never experienced, or when they
Speaker 1: frame their personal experience as gold standards, flex and from
Speaker 1: show exactly where you find yourself up and to think, wait,
Speaker 1: do I think that? Or is this right? In comes
Speaker 1: this TikTok creator called Dan Henchel, who has this amazing
Speaker 1: ability to, I guess, give us the most manipulative but
Speaker 1: somehow helpful dating advice. I recommend everybody follow him now
Speaker 1: before we listen to what he has to say. Peah,
Speaker 1: play the tape, DJs.
Speaker 3: This is how I make sure my exes never get
Speaker 3: over me. At the beginning of every relationship, I buy
Speaker 3: a big pack of birthday candles. Every time we share
Speaker 3: a happy moment together, I secretly blow one out. It's
Speaker 3: birthday candles. Blowing out birthday candles is a distinct smell
Speaker 3: that everyone recognizes. By conditioning them to associate this smell
Speaker 3: with our relationship every birthday they celebrate in the future,
Speaker 3: when they blow out the candles, they'll think about me.
Speaker 2: That is powerful magnetic perspective manipulation technique that could possibly
Speaker 2: be used in the CIA.
Speaker 1: This is the kind of manipulation. I want to see
Speaker 1: none of that everyday good morning texts? You know you
Speaker 1: know what they say when you're trying to instill some
Speaker 1: good behavior into someone, No, when you're trying to instill
Speaker 1: behavior into someone that you want, or when you're trying
Speaker 1: to form an attachment with someone in an early stage
Speaker 1: where the relationship is quite tumultuous and you don't know
Speaker 1: how they feel. You need to create a habit and
Speaker 1: then break it. So let's say you get into the
Speaker 1: habit of always talking six pm every day, do that
Speaker 1: consistently for four days, and then don't reach out for
Speaker 1: five days. WHOA, They'll be yearning for you. They'll be like,
Speaker 1: what happened? Did I do something wrong? I'm really missing them?
Speaker 1: And when you come back in, you start the habit
Speaker 1: again like nothing changed. That is low level manipulation. This
Speaker 1: stuff incredible.
Speaker 2: This is what we need to be working towards as women.
Speaker 1: In the world, as women in STEM, as women in
Speaker 1: STEM and media. This is the level of manipulation we
Speaker 1: need to get to because we've been bamboozled for too long.
Speaker 1: We need to start making sure these things work for us,
Speaker 1: not against us. So clinical trial, we're gonna see birthday
Speaker 1: Kendles salt out nationwide and for good reason. If anybody
Speaker 1: tries it, let me know I'm not above it for
Speaker 1: science and then for the plot neither.
Speaker 2: Thru meno through me boo, mummy, let smile. Listening to
Speaker 2: flex and rooms, I'm kata Flexi. I'm now going to
Speaker 2: tell you how to deal with the know it all.
Speaker 2: We all have no it alls in our life and
Speaker 2: it's really important to know how to deal with them,
Speaker 2: isn't that right, Brookie?
Speaker 1: Yeah you ah.
Speaker 2: I'm getting bullied in the studio anyway. You told us
Speaker 2: what was your technique the other day about saying you're right?
Speaker 1: So when somebody tells you something that you already know,
Speaker 1: a fact, a new story, instead of saying I know
Speaker 1: it is polite and customary to say you're right. That
Speaker 1: did happen. You're right, I did see that. You're right,
Speaker 1: that was such a good party. You're right. I love
Speaker 1: that restaurant. I know, though it is factually correct, is impolite?
Speaker 2: I love this. It's a little tiny loophole that you
Speaker 2: just put in the back pocket of conversation. I've taken
Speaker 2: a one step further, obviously and consulted Wiki House the
Speaker 2: one up. You're right, You're right, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell you how to deal with the know it all.
Speaker 2: This is super important. We've got no it alls all
Speaker 2: over offices all over Australia and they need to be
Speaker 2: dealt with appropriately, preferably not using HR because HR is
Speaker 2: not real and they have the company's best interest at heart.
Speaker 2: Just remember that. Okay, here are a few techniques when
Speaker 2: you're dealing with a nod all. Number one, try to
Speaker 2: be understanding. You have to empathize because whether or not
Speaker 2: it's a personality disorder, the need for recess, you've admiration
Speaker 2: or arrogance, nod ales have issues that have to be addressed.
Speaker 2: So you just need to empathize with nodles. Okay, avoid
Speaker 2: the impulsive fight or flight response because you need to
Speaker 2: understand that differences between people will always exist. Also, the
Speaker 2: route to all understanding is respect, so you need to
Speaker 2: show them respect when perhaps they're not showing it to you,
Speaker 2: which is obviously difficult. Number two, you must think first
Speaker 2: before responding, so as you know, we maybe want to
Speaker 2: say I know, I know, so you can think. You
Speaker 2: can deploy or your right straight away, or you can
Speaker 2: just take a seat and have a think. It's okay
Speaker 2: if people think you move slowly, except it because it's
Speaker 2: better than aggravating situation. Typically, taking time to think about
Speaker 2: the situation might even in greet might even increase your
Speaker 2: confidence in dealing with somebody who is a know it all.
Speaker 2: So when you think prevents saying stupid things that destroy friendships,
Speaker 2: start fights, or create awkward situations, it does nothing to
Speaker 2: solve your issues with a know it all. And also
Speaker 2: being thoughtful gets you more respect. It's like people who
Speaker 2: don't talk much actually come across smarter and cooler. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't relate, and number three lead by example.
Speaker 1: They should have started with that one.
Speaker 2: Loops. See, don't be afraid to say I don't know
Speaker 2: around and know it all? Well, what's happening with my voice?
Speaker 2: Can you hear that yeah, you know when you sometimes
Speaker 2: eat chocolate and then it like changes your vocal cords.
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna keep it because I think it sounds cool.
Speaker 1: It's sounding slimmy.
Speaker 2: Is that have some water, babe? I will say, saying
Speaker 2: I don't know. You can also build trust by demonstrating openness, vulnerability,
Speaker 2: and honesty. However, I disagree with that point. I think
Speaker 2: you should not say I don't know around and all.
Speaker 1: That feels like a trap.
Speaker 2: I got to just hit them with a bit of
Speaker 2: kindness and respect.
Speaker 1: I will say. One thing that doesn't get brought up
Speaker 1: a lot when you're dealing with someone that you don't
Speaker 1: want to deal with is just not having the conversation.
Speaker 1: I used to feel, as someone who encouraged conversation from
Speaker 1: people a lot, that I should give everybody a fair go.
Speaker 1: And what I found is that it usually lives. It
Speaker 1: usually leaves them feeling really understood and me feeling really activated.
Speaker 1: You know, so sometimes you just see the hidden with
Speaker 1: a oh, that's really awesome, and then leave.
Speaker 2: I love learning more things about you to know when
Speaker 2: you're doing it to me, which is never because you.
Speaker 1: Have no I have a lot of patience for you.
Speaker 1: But it's a good thing to have because you see
Speaker 1: in action, like you've obviously seen me in situations where
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with someone that I am an acquaintance with
Speaker 1: and I don't want to talk to you, I'm always
Speaker 1: really polite and fully extroverted, and then I leave. And
Speaker 1: then on the adverse, when we're dealing with someone who
Speaker 1: has a prickly personality, if I'm not being my most
Speaker 1: esteemed self, I will take the bait and be an animal.
Speaker 1: Well it's not hot.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you can.
Speaker 1: Have got to learn to walk away sometimes.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen you go full tropo.
Speaker 2: It's not in your wheelhouse.
Speaker 1: I don't go full tropo, but I can hurt a
Speaker 1: feeling with very little effort. And that's the issue, because
Speaker 1: for me, I'm like, I haven't even gotten to my
Speaker 1: point yet, and I'm seeing the eyes of water, which
Speaker 1: I don't want. I don't want that.
Speaker 2: Why are some people so good at that?
Speaker 1: Crying on command?
Speaker 2: No, making others feel the need to cry No, I don't.
Speaker 2: We'll come back to it. This is flex and frooms.
Speaker 2: We are physically in front of each other right now,
Speaker 2: it's such a pleasure. And if I lift my arms
Speaker 2: above my head like so arms are above, you will
Speaker 2: set on my left arm there is a bandage.
Speaker 1: Not even a bandage, a bloody bandage with bruising and
Speaker 1: mottled skin on your bicep.
Speaker 2: On my bicep, so on the inside of my arm.
Speaker 2: I recently had a procedure yesterday which involved getting my
Speaker 2: implanon out. Do you know what an implanent on is? FLEXI,
Speaker 2: please let me know. An implanon is a small plastic device.
Speaker 2: I would say it's three centimeters long and about yay thick,
Speaker 2: so very very tiny, almost looks like a vain thing.
Speaker 1: Like a baby little rod, a little rod. Yeah.
Speaker 2: What they do is they put the rod inside of
Speaker 2: your arm and it slowly releases progesterone. Progesterone is a
Speaker 2: hormone that people who ovulate get alongside estrogen, and it
Speaker 2: helps you. How do you say, like line the uterus
Speaker 2: or do something like that. And I am at the
Speaker 2: age now where I thought, I've had three implan ons, right,
Speaker 2: and you have to get them every three years. So
Speaker 2: I've been on this thing for many many.
Speaker 1: Early ado I was an all coming up to a decade.
Speaker 2: Literally, whoa, and sorry if you don't like talking about blood.
Speaker 1: Who cares babies is about you?
Speaker 2: I haven't had my period in about seven years or
Speaker 2: something yet, like I, it can stop your period in
Speaker 2: some women. And so I got it out because I
Speaker 2: just want to see is my body bodying? What's gonna happen?
Speaker 2: And I was having all of these conversations with my friends,
Speaker 2: like I went to the doctor obviously to talk about it,
Speaker 2: because she was the person who took it out. And
Speaker 2: I don't know, hand on heart a single person besides
Speaker 2: someone in our team here at KITA. Why sorry, I
Speaker 2: didn't because Brookie is going to jump in and say
Speaker 2: that your own contraception.
Speaker 1: No I'm not.
Speaker 2: I thought you said you take the pill supposed to,
Speaker 2: but she doesn't remember exactly. So there's only half of
Speaker 2: a person. Because let's say Brookie takes it half a time.
Speaker 1: Let's be real, we don't take it anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bo, he's not taking the conception. I don't know
Speaker 2: a single person in my life that takes contraception. M
Speaker 2: I don't know a single person with the ROD. I
Speaker 2: don't know anyone who takes the pill. I feel like
Speaker 2: that's bottom of the barrel. I don't know anyone in
Speaker 2: the mini pill. No, I will say that with my chest,
Speaker 2: it's the bottom of the barrel. In terms of like
Speaker 2: what people deem, you know, people who don't want to
Speaker 2: take your interception, I usually find that the big pill
Speaker 2: is the one that like has scarred them more turned
Speaker 2: them off. So I want to discuss why is it
Speaker 2: that everyone is going off contraception. I say everyone broadly,
Speaker 2: everyone that I know, Miss Frimiani. So because I've been
Speaker 2: on this rod for so many years, I have found
Speaker 2: it amazing. So in terms of my journey towards contraception,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna could you pass down a bottle please?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oftentimes on the Flex and Froom show, I need to
Speaker 2: check that the mouth is not mouthing too hard. I
Speaker 2: see my bottle, the Kleiner Strata water bottle keeping us.
Speaker 2: I see for hours. It's amazing. So I started off
Speaker 2: probably sixteen or seventeen on the pill. Okay, that's like,
Speaker 2: I feel like you're encouraged to go on it. The
Speaker 2: doctors had gone it. Maybe I think it was to
Speaker 2: do with my skin.
Speaker 1: Yes, So when you when we had a brief conversation,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't do this, but for me and I talk, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so put us in jail together, preferably this cells, you know,
Speaker 1: the cells we can annoy everyone. When Freeman asked me
Speaker 1: if I'd used any kind of contraception, I said no,
Speaker 1: And I said I wasn't surprised that she had, because
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, it was very Caucasian law
Speaker 1: to be sixteen and on the pill for skin. Yes,
Speaker 1: sixteen on the pill for skin. That was the law.
Speaker 1: And I always thought it strange that for me it
Speaker 1: was the habitual thing, like what is it about the
Speaker 1: pill that was going to help you more than eating
Speaker 1: differently or a skincare routine or whatever it might have been.
Speaker 1: It seemed like such an extreme thing to do at
Speaker 1: that age, but it was like a a it happened.
Speaker 1: It was a trend, and I in my adulthood I thought,
Speaker 1: perhaps it just is maybe an awareness or not even awareness.
Speaker 1: But you know how parents always think that you're more
Speaker 1: promiscuous than you are, or they think the worst case scenario.
Speaker 1: Parent's like I don't want a pregnant tink daughter. I
Speaker 1: always think it's that wrapped up in a skin concern
Speaker 1: situation because realistically there are other solutions. Maybe I'm being
Speaker 1: a hater.
Speaker 2: Well, I will say there is some elements of truth
Speaker 2: in what you're saying. I was always very open with
Speaker 2: my parents about my activity. I'm obviously not in graphic detail,
Speaker 2: but like I.
Speaker 1: Was a pretty good show. So I met this guy.
Speaker 2: Like there was never any like shame or secrecy around
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So mine really was for my skin,
Speaker 2: but it ended up didn't work, like made my migraines
Speaker 2: worse because it obviously like wow, it changes your hormones
Speaker 2: vy Obby, the istrojen levels were wilding, and so I
Speaker 2: did end up going on row accutane, which we also
Speaker 2: spoke about earlier. Is that really even more harsh than
Speaker 2: being on the pill? I think it technically is if
Speaker 2: we're going from a pharmaceutical lens, like you can't go
Speaker 2: in the sun. My lips at the U twel formal
Speaker 2: chapped to pieces to pieces actually like corners lacks the
Speaker 2: joker corners of the mouth. It was really hard. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think so. As you know, I've been listening to
Speaker 2: Human Lab podcast. Someone messaged me after I posted about him,
Speaker 2: saying that they listened to him to go to sleep
Speaker 2: and it's a great way to go to sleep because
Speaker 2: he very much like keeps a solid tone, has quite
Speaker 2: a nice voice, authoritative kind of voice, almost, which I
Speaker 2: feel like sometimes if I'm listening to podcasts and people
Speaker 2: are having a conversation, I'm imagining what I would say back,
Speaker 2: which I even do for our own podcast, because obviously
Speaker 2: I dissociate when I'm in the studio. And he interviewed
Speaker 2: this doctor. I'm actually going to get her name, because
Speaker 2: I keep saying I don't actually name her, and that's
Speaker 2: not giving.
Speaker 1: Free press is necessary in this instance.
Speaker 2: Humanman lab fertility. So he was speaking to an American
Speaker 2: woman called doctor Sarah Gottfried, Sarah Gottfried, Saira, and she
Speaker 2: was dispelling all of these myths around the pill. She
Speaker 2: was quite flex mummy pilled. Actually, she was saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: like a lot of women, I just put on the
Speaker 2: pill at this really young age for all of these
Speaker 2: reasons that aren't necessarily helpful because the pill has all
Speaker 2: these other side effects, the.
Speaker 1: Cure is not fitting the symptoms facts.
Speaker 2: And I can't remember exactly what she said, but I
Speaker 2: recommend going human lab Sarah Sarah Gottfried, and I don't
Speaker 2: want to like make this a little well, I could
Speaker 2: be could be totally wrong. I actually remember, but like
Speaker 2: I don't want to give the wrong men in medical device.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people out here might assume
Speaker 2: that I'm a doctor, given my and general way of speaking.
Speaker 1: Down disposition. It gives how do you say.
Speaker 2: Highly educated ten years of hex down the drain. I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure she was saying that it was.
Speaker 1: And if you can't paraphrase, want hear more about your experience? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to hear about you. I want to hear
Speaker 1: about paraphrase.
Speaker 2: I paraphrase like exactly what she didn't say. That's why
Speaker 2: I'm worried. I'm not worried about I want to hear it.
Speaker 1: Then tell me more about your experience. I want here
Speaker 1: about the pain levels, getting it invested, getting it out, Like.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so this like actual trigger warning for this
Speaker 2: beer because it's gross. So when you get implanent on
Speaker 2: taking what for this? Like sorry, general, you never use
Speaker 2: a life trigger warning like blood procedure, insertion of objects,
Speaker 2: foreign objects. So to get the implent in, they put
Speaker 2: you on a bed in the doctor, they put local
Speaker 2: anesthetic into your upper arm. Mine is on my left arm,
Speaker 2: and I think they put it in the non dominant arm.
Speaker 2: Then they put it they get the little rod and
Speaker 2: they poke cut a skin and then poke it in.
Speaker 2: Fuck only knows how they do it. I don't understand
Speaker 2: Brookie is squealing.
Speaker 1: Shouting you like a piece of meat, because I guess
Speaker 1: it's how you do it. If I wanted to like
Speaker 1: tuck some garlic and some rosemary into it's just like that.
Speaker 2: It is though. Yeah, so you kind of have to, like,
Speaker 2: as I said, I don't want to continue saying dissociating
Speaker 2: because I'm using it in jest, but you kind of
Speaker 2: have to like project somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is busy your mind?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like obviously I've had it in and
Speaker 2: out three times, so then when you get it out
Speaker 2: for the first time, it was so again, No, I'm
Speaker 2: not even gonna say traumatic, but it was definitely an
Speaker 2: interesting you'd say it if it was now. I wasn't traumatic.
Speaker 1: It affectively you physically negatively.
Speaker 2: For five minutes. Yes, okay, it can be very like
Speaker 2: your skin encapsulates around it and form scar tissue. And
Speaker 2: so to get it out, there was some yanking involved.
Speaker 2: There was some like foot on the bed pulling?
Speaker 1: Did she did? She grunt as she was doing it.
Speaker 2: There was just like so you can't feel anything because
Speaker 2: you're under anesthetic.
Speaker 1: Sound labor intensive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was like so like wrap it up there,
Speaker 2: She's literally like leg up on the bed like yanking. Anyway,
Speaker 2: So this time I got it out. I'm currently not
Speaker 2: on contraception.
Speaker 1: Guys, So do you feel differently?
Speaker 2: Well, I got it out yesterday. Oh yeah, but like
Speaker 2: so just waiting differently? Do I feel differently already? I
Speaker 2: feel really excited. I'm in this stage of my life
Speaker 2: around like I trust myself and I trust my body,
Speaker 2: and it's taken me a little while to like I've
Speaker 2: gone astray in past times, like listening to my body
Speaker 2: for certain things, and so this is like a part
Speaker 2: of me, you know, getting a period. I feel like
Speaker 2: you get older and you're like, oh, this is actually
Speaker 2: an indication of health. It's not this annoying thing like fuck,
Speaker 2: I don't know how to use a tampon. It's like
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to go in. Do I even remember
Speaker 2: how to use a tampon? I don't think. So I'm
Speaker 2: kind of scared, like am I going to be a
Speaker 2: moon cup? Girly, I'm gonna have to give it the show,
Speaker 2: give it a go, so watch this space. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure I'll go fully down the period discussion route right now.
Speaker 2: Obviously it's quite a new subject for me, but I'm
Speaker 2: just excited to be I want to use that cycle calculator. Lap.
Speaker 1: You gotta just to be in on the beach flap
Speaker 1: error now, flap errand laidy.
Speaker 2: I just want to get involved. But yeah, you really,
Speaker 2: you really do get me on the flop and say
Speaker 2: ear I want I want to feel things. Who knows
Speaker 2: I might be off it for six months and think
Speaker 2: fuck this, I want to go back to not having
Speaker 2: a period and having like regular levels. But I thought,
Speaker 2: fuck it up, sis, let's try something new.
Speaker 1: Do it for the plot.
Speaker 2: You're listening to Flex and Firms Kit.
Speaker 1: The more time you spend on the internet, the more
Speaker 1: proficient you should become at not taking de bait. It's
Speaker 1: getting really boring to me to see the same batch
Speaker 1: of people riled up about the same things. And I'm
Speaker 1: not talking, obviously discussing grotesque social humanitarian issues. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that. I'm saying every now and then somebody would
Speaker 1: come on the Internet and say women need to, Australians
Speaker 1: need to, and everyone's like, and they get themselves riled up,
Speaker 1: your hair and they get themselves riled up and frustrated
Speaker 1: to no end, and it gets really annoying to see
Speaker 1: because the way that algorithms work is the more you
Speaker 1: engage with the content, the more the content it'll show you.
Speaker 1: When things arrive on your feed, you don't always consent
Speaker 1: to that initial interaction. Right when I swipe and there's
Speaker 1: a little Andrew Tait video, I'm like, ah, and I
Speaker 1: swipe away because I just know he's gonna say something
Speaker 1: inflammatory that's gonna piss me off. What am I doing there?
Speaker 1: I'm protecting my peace. This doesn't mean that I can't
Speaker 1: comprehend that there is a world out there where people
Speaker 1: think in that way. But on the digital landscape, you
Speaker 1: have to understand that chaos and outrage marketing is a
Speaker 1: tactic and it works because you don't.
Speaker 2: Learn interesting and how does this relate to what everything?
Speaker 1: A skill that people need to learn is that chaos
Speaker 1: and outrage marketing works because you don't remember that you
Speaker 1: have the agency to pick what you want to watch
Speaker 1: and engage with. Right, so every time you see a
Speaker 1: Kardashian do something inflammatory like and then engagement goes up,
Speaker 1: clicks go up, retention rate goes up. Right every time
Speaker 1: you see someone say something misogynistic with no intention of
Speaker 1: wanting to be corrected. Every time you hear someone misunderstand
Speaker 1: what feminism is, misunderstand what intersectionality is, and you're like,
Speaker 1: you're doing exactly what is required for them to keep
Speaker 1: gaining traction on this conversation. Now, there is a fine
Speaker 1: balance between, you know, not excluding yourself from every difficult conversation,
Speaker 1: but also recognizing when and where it is productive and
Speaker 1: when you use the word productive for you to engage
Speaker 1: because it's the same people being like, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: such a scary place and I can never feel Oh,
Speaker 1: but you see the headline, you click, You see the
Speaker 1: MRA article, you click, you see the in cell thread
Speaker 1: you click. Stop clicking, stop clicking, or get better at
Speaker 1: knowing when you are just a pawn in a marketing activity.
Speaker 1: Hard to know, but getting it is really not hard
Speaker 1: to know. It's not it's not because it's the same
Speaker 1: people every time, it's the same narratives every time, it's
Speaker 1: the same approach every time, and realistically, you're not in
Speaker 1: the comments, changing mind. You're in the comments spreading the
Speaker 1: narratives farther and wide when you're like, hey, frooms, check
Speaker 1: out this.
Speaker 2: What do you make it? Check this out? Talk about it?
Speaker 1: Whatever, whatever. And I'm just saying, there's a time and place.
Speaker 1: Let's figure it out together, because we don't get to
Speaker 1: the destination, which is independence and community, homeless and harmony,
Speaker 1: if we don't figure out what we're being played, and
Speaker 1: we get played every day.
Speaker 2: And yet we take the bait timetime again, that delicious juicy.
Speaker 2: Have the Kardashians ever like gone into the food Space
Speaker 2: those lollipops? You take the delicious weight lost lollipop every
Speaker 2: time they go into the food Space, they had them lollipops.
Speaker 2: I swear they had the gummies, you know, those things
Speaker 2: that you're supposed to have, all the skinny teas and
Speaker 2: stuff like.
Speaker 1: That skinny tea lollyto food Space's opportunity.
Speaker 2: No, I'll stick to my chap of chubs. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: also think I don't want to see you know, like,
Speaker 2: how do I say this? I specifically don't go on
Speaker 2: certain websites despite my animal brain wanting to check out
Speaker 2: what's going on.
Speaker 1: What websites like.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to implicate because can you mouth it?
Speaker 1: Well? Are you covering your mouth? I can't see, oh
Speaker 1: daily mouth.
Speaker 2: I'll really try to stop myself from going on these
Speaker 2: websites because I know how they work. They're getting a
Speaker 2: little petuity gland firing because it's getting me fired up,
Speaker 2: and I'm also wanting to look at all these base
Speaker 2: things that are making me feel bad. But it's given
Speaker 2: me a feeling, and sometimes you know, in this six
Speaker 2: sad world, you need to feel something. But yes, I
Speaker 2: try not to engage so far as I can, because
Speaker 2: I know it doesn't help my anything that I can
Speaker 2: do to help any causes, it doesn't come from feeling
Speaker 2: put upon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like find the balance between being informed, having
Speaker 1: the agency to expose yourself to media that doesn't automatically
Speaker 1: make you feel good, but also knowing that you can
Speaker 1: tap out and not every salacious, derogatory thing on the
Speaker 1: internet is permission for you to expose yourself to dangerous stuff.
Speaker 1: Protect your energy.
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