1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: Bungelung Calcottin woman from Gadigal Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Gadigal people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: Strate island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily oz It's Tuesday, 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: the twenty ninth of August. I'm Asara Seidler. 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 3: I'm Sam Kazlowski. 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: The Queensland government has passed a law that overrides human rights. 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 4: Police watchhouses in Queensland will be declared official youth prisons 12 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 4: under extraordinary new laws introduced by the state government. 13 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: Amendments were rushed through Parliament which will allow children to 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: be kept in police watchhouses until beds are available in 15 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: youth detention sentence. The Queensland Government continues to face criticism 16 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: for howard passed controversial reforms to youth justice. So what 17 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: are these reforms, how did they pass and why is 18 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: this all coming to a head Now We'll let you 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: know in today's deep Dive. But first sam some news 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: from the university sector. 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 3: That's right. Staff at the University of Melbourne have begun 22 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: a week long strike. Union members in the university's arts 23 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 3: and law faculties were among the staff who stopped work 24 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 3: at midday on Monday. With thousands of students expected to 25 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 3: be impacted by canceled classes, those on strike are calling 26 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 3: for improved workloads and for secure work and fair pay. 27 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: The twenty twenty six Commonwealth Games could be headed to 28 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: the Gold Coast. The CEO of Commonwealth Games Australia says 29 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: that talks with the mayor of the Gold Coast had 30 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: been held around the possibility of the Queensland city hosting 31 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: the Games. The Games were originally set to be held 32 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: in Victoria, but was scrapped due to escalating financial pressures. 33 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: And we will chuck a link to an episode we 34 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: did on that in the show notes, it's called did 35 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: Victoria just get the Commonwealth Games canceled? 36 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 3: Quanta CEO Alan Joyce says airfares are trending down after 37 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 3: last year's post COVID travel boom. Joyce also defended Quantus's 38 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 3: two point four to seven billion dollar full year profit, 39 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 3: which was announced last week. While fronting a Senate inquiry 40 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 3: on Monday, and the. 41 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: Good news Australia has recorded its best ever metal hall 42 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: at a World Athletics Championships. The Aussies won six medals 43 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: in Budapest, lifting the nation to twelfth place overall on 44 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: the medal tally. Nina Kennedy won Australia's only gold in 45 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: the women's pole vault. Last week, the Queensland government has 46 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: passed a law that essentially overrides human rights and it 47 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: will allow the government to keep children in police watchhouses 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: until there are beds available in detention centers. 49 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: Just run me through what a watchhouse actually is. 50 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: Okay, So a police watchhouse is basically a holding cell. 51 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 2: It's at a police station and it's designed to detain 52 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: people overnight or for twenty or so hours, so it 53 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: was designed to be temporary. These watchhouses aren't equipped to 54 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: deal with people for extended periods of time, and apart 55 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: from being smaller and less comfortable, they also don't include 56 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: the same health services or rehabilitation facilities that people who 57 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: would go to a youth detention center would be offered. 58 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: Things like education programs, cultural support and contact with the 59 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: young person's community and also, this will become important later, 60 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: so we'll get back to it. Watchhouses also may have 61 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: both children and adult of different genders housed in the 62 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: same place. 63 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 3: Okay, so it really is kind of a triage zone. 64 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: It was designed to be, right and what's changed now. 65 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: So before these amendments were passed through Queensland's parliament last week, 66 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: the law stood that if a child offender was refused bail, 67 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: they'd be taken from a watchhouse to a youth detention 68 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 2: facility quote as soon as practicable, so essentially as soon 69 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: as was possible. Last week, though, the Queensland government passed 70 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: this new amendment that now allows the government to hold 71 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: young people in these police watchhouses that I was just 72 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: describing before until beds become available in a youth detention center. 73 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: The amendment explicitly says that this can happen even if 74 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 2: it would not be compatible with human rights, and the 75 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: government's reasoning for this, despite them acknowledging it might undermine 76 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: human rights in the state, is that they're saying there's 77 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 2: not enough capacity in youth detention centers to meet the demand. 78 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: So what they're saying is it's this supply and demand. Yeah, 79 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: problem where there are too many young people coming through 80 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: the system, not enough beds to house all of them, 81 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 2: and for the Queensland government, their solution seems to be 82 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: to extend the amount of time legally that young people 83 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: can be held in these watchhouses. The amendments that pass 84 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: last week do state, however, that they're set to expire 85 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 2: by twenty twenty six, and that is to allow for 86 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: a time for these new youth detention centers to be 87 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 2: built in Queensland. So they're not saying this is forever. No, 88 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: it's not a forever solution. They're viewing it as a 89 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: temporary fix while they build these new detention centers. 90 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: So they've said specifically in the legislation that keeping young 91 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 3: people in watchhouses can occur even if it's not compatible 92 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 3: with human. 93 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: Rights, which I thought I'd never seen that ridden it's. 94 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 3: Interesting to put it in the actual act itself. 95 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: I think they legally have to because there's a part 96 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 2: of the Human Rights Act that this is directly opposing. 97 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 3: And what human rights specifically would it override. 98 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: There are two So the first is that the state's 99 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: Human Rights Act says that detained children must be segregated 100 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 2: from adults. 101 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: And in these watchhouses they're both together. 102 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: H and that or they can be. And the second 103 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 2: is that every child in Queensland has the right to 104 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: access an education. And remember I said that in these watchhouses, 105 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: it's not like they're getting the same access to rehabilitation 106 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: or educational services that they would be in a fully 107 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: set up and functional youth detention center. But according to 108 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: the government, despite them having to explicitly say could override 109 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: human rights, they're saying that holding a child in a 110 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: watchhouse is ultimately safer and more humane than detaining them 111 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: in an overcrowded youth detention center. 112 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 3: Okay, So what's the fallout bean from the passing of 113 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: this legislation. 114 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 2: Well, it's been very controversial, I'd say for two main reasons. 115 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: The first is how these amendments really interact with human 116 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 2: rights in the state, and then the other is the 117 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: way in which these amendments actually passed through parliament. So 118 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 2: it's more of a political backlash to what's happened. 119 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 3: Why don't we start with the politics there? 120 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: Okay, So in order to understand how these amendments pass, 121 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: you need to understand a bit about Queensland's political system. 122 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 2: The basic thing to know is that there's no upper 123 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: house in Queensland. It's a unicameral system, which means there's 124 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 2: a single house of Parliament. The Palichet Labour government has 125 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: a majority there. So essentially what that means is it's 126 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: fairly easy to pass the legislation. Normally, though, before a 127 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: piece of legislation passes through the single house of Parliament, 128 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: it is usually referred to a committee. This is something 129 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: that happens at basically every level of government. It's when 130 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: a committee, which is made up of members of the government, 131 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: members of the opposition, minor parties, whoever wants to be involved, 132 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: really scrutinizes a piece of legislation. And this is a 133 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: process that takes a fair bit of time, but it 134 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: means that there's this oversight into what is being passed 135 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: if it then passes. 136 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: Parliament performing the functions of like a Senate in the 137 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: federal system. 138 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, but committees also do exist at a federal level, 139 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: but it just slows the process down a bit. Gives 140 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: everybody because I mean, if you think about the number 141 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: of pieces of a legislation that an MP or a 142 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 2: senator has to look at every day, it's a lot. 143 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: And so this is a way for them to really 144 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: deep dive into it. Anyway, I digress, but the point 145 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: being that in a normal case, a piece of legislation 146 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: would have gone to committee. In this case the reform 147 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: in question, So this thing about children in watchhouses wasn't 148 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: actually passed as a standalone piece of legislation, but it 149 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: was actually tacked on as an amendment to a bill 150 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: that had already been to a committee, which means that 151 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: the committee system had interrogated a piece of legislation. It 152 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: is called the Child Protection Bill. But then they never 153 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: looked at these amendments that referred to the watchhouses because 154 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: the government tacked it on at the end. That basically 155 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 2: meant that very few members of Parliament outside of the 156 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: government actually had any time to look at it or 157 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: see what was in it. And that has been the 158 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: center of this political storm because the Labor government is 159 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: being accused of rushing something through and obscuring any transparency. 160 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 3: So it'd be fair to say that the Queensland Premier 161 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 3: and the stage of pilochets had to be the pressure. 162 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: Since then she has. 163 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: And it's been interesting to see the media's take on 164 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: it because it's been fairly unanimous in the way that 165 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 2: this story has been covered. We're talking about forty eight 166 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: pages of amendments, and by putting it through an amendment 167 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: on legislation that had already gone through the committee process, 168 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: it doesn't face scrutiny. I've known you for a long time, Premiere. 169 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:13,599 Speaker 2: You have railed against the lack of transparency from previous governments, 170 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 2: and this just doesn't pass the pub test for a 171 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: lot of people. 172 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 4: Well, people can have their views, and we appreciate there 173 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 4: are a lot of views out there, but our job 174 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 4: as a government is to balance the activities of these 175 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 4: young criminals across our state with the protection of the community. 176 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: I think one thing to notef you're seeing this story 177 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: around is that the state's Premiernastasia Palichet, is also being 178 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: criticized for going on holidays, and that story is emerging 179 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 2: off the back of this story. Is that there's all 180 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: this controversy unfolding about the way that young people are 181 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 2: being kept in watchhouses and the premier has gone on holidays, 182 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: and so if you see that story arise, that's where 183 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: it's come from. 184 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 3: So that's kind of the political discourse to all of this. Now, 185 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 3: talk me through the human rights side. 186 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: So we've heard from the Queensland Green's Justice spokesperson. His 187 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: name's Michael Berkman, and he's accused the government of having 188 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: little regard for vulnerable young people. We've also heard from 189 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 2: a group of local justice advocates who have called the 190 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: decision an attack on vulnerable children. The CEO of a 191 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: youth advocacy group YETI, who were going to talk about 192 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: in a bit, Genevieve Sinclair. She's called the watchhouses recidivism 193 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: factories and recidivism means reoffending. YETI told TDA that the 194 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: only people wanting to keep children in watchhouses in their view, 195 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: seems to be the government. 196 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 3: And this isn't actually the first time we've talked about 197 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 3: watchhouses in Queensland this month. 198 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: Well this came through you, yeah, and it was because 199 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: someone you'd worked with in your past life as a lawyer, right, She. 200 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 3: Was working on behalf of young people who were in 201 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: watchhouses in Queensland and they had a breakthrough win in 202 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 3: the courts. 203 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: Well exactly. So let me just explain that case because 204 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: it's interesting context to consider when we think about the 205 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 2: government's move here is so earlier in the month Queensland 206 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 2: Supreme Court heard a case alleging eight children were detained 207 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 2: in police watchhouses without a sound legal basis instead of 208 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: being taken to youth detention. Remember at the time that 209 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: this case was unfolding, According to Queensland law, if a 210 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 2: child defender was refused bail, they had to be taken 211 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: to a youth detention facility as soon as possible. So 212 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: this case was brought by the same youth advocacy group. 213 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: YETI that I just spoke about before, who condemned the 214 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 2: government's law. They've maintained there was no legal reason for 215 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: the eight children they were representing to be kept in watchhouses, and. 216 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: So the judge found in their favor. What did they say? 217 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: So the judge's ruling found that the government had not 218 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: been able to establish any reasons for keeping these children 219 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: away from a youth detention center. The court ordered all 220 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 2: the children named in the challenge to be immediately transferred 221 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 2: to youth detention centers. 222 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 3: So this story is all set against the context that 223 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 3: the youth detention centers in Queensland are full and that 224 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 3: the watchhouses are having to almost double up as an 225 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 3: overflow facility, when that's not what they were built for. 226 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 3: Where has this issue come from? 227 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: I think it's a good question, and it's the thing 228 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: that has gone through my mind as I've been reading 229 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: and talking and thinking about this story. And I don't 230 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: think that we can really tack this on to the 231 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: end of a whole episode covering government policy. I think 232 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 2: that this should be a deep dive in and of itself, 233 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: because we are talking about what happens once a young 234 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: person is already in the justice system, but we're not 235 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: talking about why they're getting there or any of the 236 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 2: factors that might be relating to those decisions. And so 237 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 2: if you do want us to look into that, get 238 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: in touch with us and let us know. I know 239 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 2: I'm personally interested in this story and it's a really 240 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 2: really important story to tell, so we can absolutely do that. 241 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 3: We'll be back again tomorrow. Until then, have a great day.