1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, so we often don't have 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: That is so fetch Thank you, welcome back to another 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: episode of Outspoken. Now, Sophie, I've got a bone to 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: pick with you. I'm away for one episode and all 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: goes to shit. I wouldn't say it all went to shit. 10 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: I have been copying a few messages back and forth 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: because I've never seen so many dms telling us the 12 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: same thing. Well, if you didn't pick up on it, 13 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: if you're not a big Footy fan like myself. I 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: got Jonathan Brown's name wrong. I was calling him Luke 15 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: Brown for the entire episode, amongst a few other mistakes. 16 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: But we won't go there, no, So I do want 17 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: to apologize. I know it's not good enough when you 18 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: don't get things right, and it's always bloody annoying when 19 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: someone's pronouncing someone's name or getting their name wrong completely. 20 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: So I do apologize. 21 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: I was listening at home and you said Luke Brown, 22 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: and I was just screaming at the podcast it's Jonathan Brown. 23 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: Not to lay blame here, but to be fair, Kate, 24 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: you didn't pick it up either, and my mom didn't 25 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: pick it up. Who listened, Yeah I didn't, but i'd 26 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: kind of zoned out when you were speaking, like, lets 27 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: me do the intros, and I just heard the word brown. 28 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you did get Kylie Brown right, So I 29 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: really should have twigged that you weren't. Actually you were 30 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: actually meant to be talking about Jonathan Brown, not Luke Brown. 31 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: But to be fair, it has been a bit of 32 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: a shit week for Sophie this week as well, because there's. 33 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: Been a bit of an issue with Archie's hair. 34 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: Oh if it doesn't rain at pause. There's been one 35 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: of those weeks, hasn't it. So I think OG listeners 36 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: will remember a couple of months ago, I was very 37 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: pedantic about Archie's fur and getting it right, and I 38 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: enclosed as your cocker spaniel, y, this is Archie is 39 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: by first name. Everybody knows that Archie the Golden Cocker. 40 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: It is, Come on, Cake. Anyway, I think people will 41 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: remember I shared some funny recordings of Branner's reaction to 42 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: Archie's haircut, which wasn't even bad. We've reached a new 43 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: level of bad because I did a three hour round 44 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: trip to drop archire the groomers, because I go, I 45 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: travel all that way to make. 46 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: Sure it's nice. 47 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: So basically what's happened is I have dropped Archie off 48 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: at the groomers and he has returned as a completely 49 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: different dog. I do not recognize this dog. He looks 50 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: like a bald chicken or a little lamb. Because he 51 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: looks like Dobby the house elf. 52 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, he looks like that is spot on. He does 53 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: look like Dobby. 54 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: And it's so unfortunate because they shaved his legs and 55 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: chest despite the fact that I specifically asked for him 56 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: to be hand stripped. And I'm beside myself. I have 57 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: just been googling grooming. I've been googling how to make 58 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: a dog's hair grow back. It's just I'm so upset 59 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: about it, like actually distraught. I think the funniest bit 60 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: is that they've left his head and neck sort of 61 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: as per normal, So kind of is that vibe of 62 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: when you shave a cat for summer and it's got 63 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: like the head of a lion, and then. 64 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 2: The body's all bald and Dick is just visible the 65 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 2: whole time as well. 66 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: I always said I wanted a female dog so you 67 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: didn't see their bits and peace is but you know, 68 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: it's just on display. 69 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 2: It's fully on display. 70 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: I think we need to go to the audio of 71 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: Brandon's reaction. I think you look, you look so much, 72 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: so much light to Darling, it just looks particularly interesting 73 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: because it's so fresh. 74 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 3: Give it a little bit of time. 75 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 2: A few moments later. 76 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: I just scheme. 77 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: Different, Yeah, centiment, is that much. 78 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: Peace? What have I done this? 79 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: If it's like if you massage the hair when it 80 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: comes back quicker. 81 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: I feel like this is a bit of a stitch 82 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: up to Brandon, Sophie, because you have been reacting so badly. 83 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: I literally felt thought. 84 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: Someone had died the way you reacted. This is definitely 85 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: a first world problem. 86 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: I couldn't even air. 87 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: Part of my conversation because I am that angry about it. Still, 88 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: twenty four hours on, I've just got this pit in 89 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: my stomach about it. There were some great suggestions that 90 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: you should just dress Archie in clothes, costumes Christmas costume. 91 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: But the unfortunate thing is you even need long sleeves 92 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: because he's got the skinniest little legs. I didn't realize 93 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: he had supermodel legs. He looks a bit like a 94 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: reindeer now, so maybe does we've been calling hi prancer. 95 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: I feel like you need to point out, Sophie, that 96 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: you know you don't just care about. 97 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 2: The aesthetic of your dog. You do really love him. 98 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: I love him. I love him more than life itself. 99 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with him. He's my child, but I'm pissed 100 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: off for him. 101 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: He's been acting so weird. He's embarrassed. 102 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: You know when you get a really bad haircut and 103 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: you've got to go back to school. 104 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 2: It's kind of like that. We're just waiting for it 105 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: to grow out, No, I know. 106 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: Well, moving on and Britney Saunders shared a reel of 107 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: the expectation versus reality of what it's like to live 108 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: with her from her boyfriend's perspective. So she was shown 109 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: looking quite glamorous in a nice dress doing the dishes, 110 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: and then it cut to her wheeling out her bins 111 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: in very daggy clothes. Now, I could not resonate more 112 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: with this video because I literally, as soon as I 113 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: get home, get into the d baggiest, ugliest clothes. Currently 114 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: I'm wearing pajamas because I'm working from home. 115 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it did. 116 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: Get me thinking her real about how everybody has the 117 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: same kind of looking daggy clothes, like they just always 118 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: look dirty because you know, you go to the shops 119 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, I'm gonna get myself some nice 120 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: looking track pants so I don't look like a complete bum, 121 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: and they always turn disgusting. I have to interject because 122 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: I have a friend who literally looks clean, as we've 123 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: spoken about on the other podcast. 124 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: Even her daggy. 125 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: Clothes are clean and perfect and perfectly tapered to her body. 126 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: That actually reminds me I know a girl who's never 127 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: worn track pants in front of her boyfriend. So yeah, 128 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: so the most underdressed she's been is wearing jeans to 129 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: his house. And I honestly feel like there's something wrong 130 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: with you if you get home and you're in jeans 131 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: and you don't change into your pajama pants or your 132 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: track pants if you've been at work, Because Dale does 133 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: it all the time, and I'm like, is this a 134 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: boy thing? 135 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: Because I need to get changed immediately. 136 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: Well, they clearly don't live together, because it's easy to 137 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: wear jeans in front of someone if you go out 138 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: and eat them. But I'm sorry, I highly doubt she's 139 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: rocking jeans at nine pm at night on a couch. 140 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: She is what she said close to well talking. 141 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: About pajamas, and I really enjoyed it because Courtney mangan 142 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: was on her stories talking about how she has bought 143 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: all these beautiful Peter Alexander Christmas pajamas and you know 144 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,679 Speaker 1: the set, so they've got a matching top and matching bottoms. However, 145 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: she says as soon as she gets home from work 146 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: she'll put those on. However, when she actually goes to bed, 147 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: she changes into a daggy old T shirt and shorts. 148 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: I can kind of see where she's coming from, because 149 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: they must be like her dressed up, dagging clothes. You know, 150 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: the nice matching pjs you put on and then when 151 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: you go to bed, you kind of just want to 152 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: just let it loose. You just want to you don't 153 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: want to ruin them, do it when they're so nice. Well, 154 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: I think we've got to remember Courtney does live in Queensland, 155 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: and you know you get all hot and sweaty at night, 156 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: so I can see why you'd want some back up 157 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: daggy pajamas so you can rock your beautiful Christmas pajamas 158 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: all week. 159 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 3: As SACKI wearing army pants and flip flups. 160 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: So I bought army pants and flip fluffs. Sarah's Day 161 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: says she's been forced to blacklist brands she once worked 162 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: with after things turned nasty. The self proclaimed holistic health 163 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: princess and her husband Kurt said they even considered taking 164 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: one brand to court after they allegedly wronged them. So 165 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: can you tell us more well? In a podcast episode 166 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: for The Health Code Daily entitled The Taste of Sweet Revenge, 167 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: Sarah spoke about getting back at brands that had wronged her. 168 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: She said, as you get older, sweet sweet revenge is 169 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: being so kind to the person who has wronged you 170 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: that it frustrates them. This is the approach I take now. 171 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: She then explained that there are a handful of brands 172 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: that she has previously worked with that she has blacklisted now. 173 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: She confirmed that there were in fact four brands that 174 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: she has blacklisted. 175 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: Wow, who do we think the brands are? 176 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: I would hazard a guess that one of those brands 177 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: is Loving Earth because they used to feature very heavily 178 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: in Sarah's vlogs and then suddenly disappeared. Well, maz Do's 179 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: another one that suddenly disappeared, and I did say there 180 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: was talk online that they dropped her after that whole 181 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: braid incident. Well, also, Bondi Sands doesn't seem to work 182 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: with her anymore, which was one that she did a 183 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: few appearances with. 184 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: And that's the thing. 185 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: Sarah is one of those influencers who only does work 186 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: with a handful of brands. So it's a bit awkward 187 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: that she is making these comments because it could almost 188 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: be defamatory because there's only a handful of people to 189 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: assume that she is talking about. I have noticed quite 190 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: recently that Sarah has been calling out a lot of 191 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: people but not naming them. So you know, she might say, oh, 192 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to name this brand or this person 193 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: because I don't want to get sued. But the thing 194 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: is with defamation, if you narrow someone down, say okay, 195 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: a brand that I've worked with a lot of people, 196 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: then can work. You know, there's only certain number of 197 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: brands that she's worked with and that negative attention may 198 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: be then cast onto a brand which actually wasn't the 199 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: brand in question, but it can defame them incidentally. Yeah, well, 200 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: Kurt did say during the podcast, are we going to 201 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: name and show them? And Sarah replied saying that she 202 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: didn't want to get sued. So let's have a listen 203 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: to what she said about the brand. 204 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 3: I work with different companies and different brands, whether they're 205 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 3: like sponsoring a YouTube video or I collaborate with them whatever. 206 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 3: And there are a handful of brands that I have 207 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 3: quote blacklisted. Okay, there are a handful. 208 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: It's probably like four hostly, you have. 209 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 3: To really grind my gears, slap me across the face, 210 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 3: run me over with a truckdor to be on my blacklist. 211 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 4: Now. 212 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 1: Sarah then went on to say that if you're on 213 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: her blacklist, that she keeps you at the back of 214 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: her mind and the best revenge is dominating the competition, 215 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: So she will do what that brand does but better 216 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: or collaborate with the brand's arch nemesis. Now. I found 217 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 1: that super interesting because by her saying that, you then 218 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: reflect on some of the brands that she is currently 219 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: working with. For instance, some of the skincare brands, and 220 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: you think, is she working with them because they are 221 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: a key com competitor to someone who screwed her over, 222 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: or has she developed a product purely to piss another 223 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: brand off. For instance, she's got the sonny at where 224 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: she's creating a range of different recipes, and she did 225 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: used to work with brands creating fruit and nut. 226 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 2: Mix or protein balls. It's all very interesting. 227 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: I was also intrigued because Sarah said that one of 228 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: the employees that worked for a brand that wasn't very 229 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: nice to her then went and tried to get a 230 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 1: job at a brand Sarah works at, and the owner 231 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: of the brand called her and let her know, and 232 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: then they declined this woman from working with them. 233 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 2: I was wondering if that was White Fox Boutique. 234 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: Oh, it was clearly then, because they have spoken so 235 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: many times about how they're great buddies and great friends 236 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: with White Fox Boutique. And I'm just so surprised that 237 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: they would be airing this sort of information on their 238 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: podcast to say we don't know for sure that it 239 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: was White Fox Boutique at all. No. Well, I've got 240 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: to say, though, as much as I think it's unprofessional, 241 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: I have been loving the Health Code Daily content. There 242 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: is so much juicy stuff to come out of it, 243 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: and I feel like you get to know Sarah and 244 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: Kurt's personality a little bit more, and it seems like 245 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: the real them are shining through on these episodes. I'm 246 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: really interested to find out what this brand has done 247 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: to Sarah because when she described that, she said it 248 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: was as though they'd punched her like a punching bag. 249 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: And she said that even though she is a Christian woman, 250 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: she doesn't want to drag them through the mud, but 251 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: she wants to push them in the mud. So I 252 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: feel like something really big has gone down to get 253 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: a reaction from her like this. Oh, it sounds like 254 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: they haven't paid her, which would be very, very frustrating. 255 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: Is it just me or this kind of Christian woman 256 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: tripe is a little bit hard to take because for me, 257 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you know, they punched me in the stomach. 258 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 1: They wrote over me with a trot tail, like she's 259 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: saying all these horrible things that they've done. Oh, but 260 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm a nice Christian girl, So I just want to 261 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: push them in the mud, not drag them in the mud. 262 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: What's the difference. Sorry, Even though you haven't mentioned the name. 263 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: As we said, it's quite easy to work out who 264 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: she's possibly talking about, and she's defaming other people in 265 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: the process in this whole podcast, dragging him in the mud. 266 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 1: It's like saying I hate this brand, no offense. It's 267 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: like this sort of catch cry of Oh, I'm a 268 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: Christian woman, so don't take anything by it, because I'm 269 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 1: so wholesome and nice. I also didn't like the way 270 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: that she kind of inferred that she's ganging up on 271 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: this woman with the other big brand. 272 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 2: It just was a bit off. 273 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: I've found a bit sorry for the worker in that instance. Yeah, 274 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: because I've worked in marketing, and the thing is you 275 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: have to be loyal to your employer and the brand 276 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: that you're working for, and a lot of times the 277 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: big bosses will make you, as a marketing manager, relay 278 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: information that may not be popular with the talent. I 279 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: don't think that they should then take it so personally 280 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: that they try and destroy this person's chances of ever 281 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: being employed by anyone. It's also soper interesting to me 282 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: what was in some of these contracts with the brands 283 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: that Sarah was working with. For example, most brands would 284 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: have a no compete agreement. So the fact that she's 285 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: saying that, yeah, I was working on a professional level 286 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: with these brands, and now because they've done me wrong 287 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: in my eyes, I'm going to work with their competitors 288 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: or to create a rivals theirs. It's very interesting to 289 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: actually admit that you're doing that well. On the topic 290 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: of Sarah's Day, last week, she revealed yet another collaboration 291 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: with White Fox boutique. So this time it's Christmas pajamas, 292 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: except if you actually look at the Christmas pajamas, you'd 293 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: struggle to realize it was Christmas themed. Yeah, you sent 294 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: these across to me because you were talking about it 295 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: on the phone, and I'm like, hang on, have I 296 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: missed something. I have not seen any Christmas pajamas and 297 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: you still sent them through. And I was struggling to 298 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: join the dots and be like, this is actually Christmas theme. 299 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: Because they are check. 300 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: But when you told me they would check pajamas, I'm 301 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: thinking Tartan pajamas, red, you know, Christmas colors, but no, 302 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: that was not what. 303 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: Sarah was selling. 304 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: So the colors are sweet pea, So it's basically this 305 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: light green and green's a Christmas color now, but it's 306 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: not a green Christmas color. It's more like a grass green. 307 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: It's like an olivey kind of green. And then there's 308 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: another color which is light sand, so this sandy color 309 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: and they've got SD all over them. 310 00:13:58,400 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 2: So followers will also. 311 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: Remember that around two years ago, Sarah released another set 312 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: of pajamas with White Fox Boutique, and these ones featured 313 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: foxes on them, so these weren't Christmas themed either, but 314 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 1: they did tie in, obviously with the fact that her 315 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: son's name is Fox. So a lot of her followers 316 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: are saying, well, what the hell this is another bunch 317 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: of Christmas pajamas that you're promoting as Sees's Christmas pajamas. 318 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but just the. 319 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: DA's advocate here, Isn't she saying the Christmas pajamas because 320 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: people can buy them as a Christmas present, She's not 321 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: saying the Christmas theme. No, it's I'm sorry, it says 322 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: SEZ's Christmas pajamas. And I got a real laugh on 323 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: Wednesday because Sarah's food app Sonny, they uploaded a video 324 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: of Sarah and her team and they were all dressed 325 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: in Christmas pajamas. To promote the app, and you'd assume 326 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: they'd be wearing the new White Fox Boutique Christmas pajamas, 327 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: but in fact they weren't. They were wearing what actually 328 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: genuinely looked like Christmas pajamas, but they were from Big W. 329 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: And the funniest thing was all of these followers were 330 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: commenting like, oh my god, I really hope these are 331 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: part of the Seis Christmas range or where are these from? 332 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: Where I can get them? And they were all comments saying, oh, 333 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: they're from Big W. I just can't imagine Red being 334 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: in a house at all, because she's got a very 335 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: neutral or. 336 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 2: Blush colors everywhere in her house. But at Chris. I mean, actually, 337 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: that's a really good point. 338 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: So because I remember last Christmas, Sarah didn't really decorate 339 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: with the traditional Christmas colours. Remember she had some friends 340 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: over for a Christmas party and everything did suit the 341 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: aesthetic of her house. So that seems to be these 342 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: pajamas suit the aesthetic. But couldn't you have white and 343 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: do like a winter Wonderland theme like that would have 344 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: suited her a bit a lot better. Well, they're probably 345 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: planning on selling these pajamas all throughout the year. I 346 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: think it's just that they're selling them as a Christmas gift. 347 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 2: You know why I'm out at you. You know why 348 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: I'm mad. I know what I did I did. 349 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: You know what I do? 350 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: You started a sick little rumor about me. 351 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: Finnes's influencer Ashy Bynes, has announced on Instagram she's expecting 352 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: baby number two with husband Steve Evans Amy. Before we 353 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: get into the announcement, can you tell us a little 354 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: bit more about Ashy and Steve's relationship? Well, as she 355 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: was just nineteen when she met husband Steve, who isn't 356 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: nine years her senior, and they actually started chatting online. 357 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: So Steve reached out to her on Facebook and after 358 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: months of talking online, they finally met in person and 359 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: as she told the Courier, I eventually went over to 360 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: his house. And it sounds so cheesy, but from that 361 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: moment I saw him, I knew we were meant to 362 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: be together. Doesn't that just age the relationship with the 363 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: fact that he hit her up on Facebook? 364 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: Because now everyone's sliding. 365 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: Into Instagram, dms or hitting people up on TikTok I assume, 366 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: wasn't it the people used to poke each other I 367 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: think that's been disabled on Facebook now. 368 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: It seemed to have a bit of a CD undertone. 369 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: When my dad kept sending us pokes on firstone on Facebook. 370 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: I was like, Dad, don't do that. It's a bit weird. 371 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: Was this when ash was famous? 372 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: No? 373 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: Was this before? 374 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? So this was before so As she wasn't even 375 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: into fitness at the time. It was actually Steve who 376 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: was working as a personal trainer and so as she 377 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: was working in retail and Steve was the one who 378 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: introduced ashly too fitness and that's when she fell in 379 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: love with it. So he used to hold boot camps 380 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: and she came along, and then suddenly she fell in 381 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: love with exercise and then they joined forces and they've 382 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: sort of created now this Ashy Binds brand. 383 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 2: Is there something a little bit creepy. 384 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: About a twenty eight year old man on Facebook hitting 385 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: up a nineteen year old I mean, you date Brandon 386 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: who's like five years younger, then he's four and a 387 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: half years Yeah, well they've obviously he approached me. They've 388 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: been together for eleven years, so I don't think it's creepy. 389 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: But so they did tie. 390 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: Then not in twenty fourteen, and then in twenty fifteen 391 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: as she gave birth to the couple's son, Taj, and 392 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: last year, they revealed that their secret to their happy 393 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: eleven year relationship was having a relationship coach who they 394 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: apparently see once a month. That's a lot of work 395 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: to put into the relationship, but I think it's a 396 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: good thing. I think people just assume that you get 397 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: into a relationship, you don't have to make an effort anymore. 398 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 2: You don't know if you got it on dates. But 399 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: I feel like you've really got to do. 400 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: The work to make it a good relation exactly, particularly 401 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: if you have kids. I think, now, Amy, can you 402 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit more about this pregnancy announcement. Yeah, Well, 403 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: as she shared the news on Sunday, captaining the real 404 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: the surprise of his life. So as she told Steve 405 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: they were taking part in a family photo shoot alongside 406 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: their seven year old son Taj. However, midway through the shoot, 407 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: as she pulled out a positive pregnancy test to Steve's 408 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: complete surprise. So this news came as a bit of 409 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,479 Speaker 1: a surprise to Ash's followers because she has been sharing 410 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 1: her fertility journey on YouTube since October this year. So 411 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: in a recent video entitled It's been Tough, Come on, 412 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: Little bub we are ready, as she opened up saying 413 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: she was consumed with sadness each month after she'd been 414 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: unable to feel pregnant, and she even told her subscribers 415 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: she was undergoing tests to see what her ag count 416 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: currently was. And she also revealed that her husband surprised 417 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: her two years ago by freezing his sperm and that 418 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: he was getting this tested as well. And I did 419 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: think it was really good of Ashi to share this 420 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: because she said she wanted to normalize fertility struggles because 421 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: you often don't see a lot of people talking about online, 422 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: and she felt like she didn't want to hide this 423 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: part of her life if it could help others. I 424 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: think it is really brave of her to be sharing 425 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: about this and so open, particularly when you're going through 426 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: the experience at the time, because it's probably a little 427 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: bit easier to reflect on an experience when you've had 428 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: a positive outcome. But the fact that they didn't know 429 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: they were going to conceive, Yeah, I just take my 430 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: hats off to her for speaking about this. All her 431 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: hats or just one hat, so all of my hats, 432 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: all of my hats off. For her speaking about this now, 433 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: as she recently revealed that keeping the pregnancy a secret 434 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: from her followers has been very difficult. She said that 435 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: some days she's felt so tired or sick, and she 436 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: still had to show up. She said, I've still got 437 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: my work and businesses to run. Some days have been 438 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: really tough. It's been a really different experience to Taj. 439 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: On the topic of babies, we wanted to say a 440 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: big congratulations to Georgie Stevenson and her husband Tim as 441 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,959 Speaker 1: they announced the arrival of their daughter, Ivy Sunday Crouch 442 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: last Sunday. And I was just so excited for her 443 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: and Tim because we had Georgie on our Christmas show 444 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: this time last year and she had just announced that 445 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: she had had a miscarriage, and you could just hear 446 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: in her voice how sad she wasn't how much she 447 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: really wanted a baby. And it's just been so touching 448 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: to see Georgie sharing all her special moments with Ivy 449 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: in the last couple of days. So Ivy was born 450 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: on the twenty fourth of November and weighed in at 451 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: three point six kilograms and fifty six centimeters long, and 452 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: Georgie wrote on Instagram. Half of me, half of you. 453 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: She went on to say, we wouldn't be more in 454 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: love with you, baby girl. I've got to say I 455 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: actually really liked the name Ivy. There have been a 456 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: few influencers recently who've had a few shocker name choices, 457 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: but I think Georgie's done a good job here. I 458 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: really like the name too. I wonder if Georgie was 459 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: inspired by Nicole Kidman's daughter Sunday. 460 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 4: So I see pictures of Chloe with some NBA player, 461 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 4: and even though I know not to believe everything on 462 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 4: the internet, Chloe and an NBA player do go hand 463 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 4: in hands. 464 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: Before we get into the segment, we just wanted to 465 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: give a trigger warning. We do discuss issues around sexual assaults, 466 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: so if this isn't something you want to listen to, 467 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: please skip it. Olivia Rodgers has spoken out about being 468 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: sexually assaulted in a bid to encourage other women to 469 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: stand up against sexual predators. The mental health advocate appeared 470 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: in court last week as a middle aged father, Sean Kennedy, 471 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: was found guilty of sexually assaulting her. Now, this is 472 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,719 Speaker 1: obviously a really traumatizing event for Olivia, but I do 473 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: feel like it's really important to talk about what happened 474 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: in order to spread awareness that this behavior just isn't Onky, can. 475 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 2: You tell us more about the incident. 476 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: In July twenty nineteen, Olivia Rodgers was standing on the 477 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: dance floor at the Hotel Esplanade and Saint Kilda when 478 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: Sean Kennedy grabbed her bum Now. Olivia confronted Kennedy about 479 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: the assault, and he responded, if you keep talking, or 480 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: do something much worse to you now. Olivia complained to 481 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: security about Kennedy's behavior and he was kicked out of 482 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: the venue the following day. Olivia then reported the incident 483 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: to police. Now. Originally, Kennedy contested the allegation, stating that 484 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: he wasn't the man in the CCTV vision. However, the 485 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: forty six year old has a history of similar offenses 486 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: and was found guilty of one count of sexual assault 487 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: by the Melbourne Magistrate's Court. Kennedy was sentenced to an 488 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: eighteenth month community corrections order and was ordered to undergo rehabilitation. 489 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: The court did give Kennedy the opportunity to apologize, however, 490 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: it was a backhanded apology. He said he was sorry, 491 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: but claimed he too had been traumatized by the crime. Now, so, Vick, 492 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: can you tell us what Olivia said about the ordeal? Well, 493 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: Olivia agreed to talk to the Herald's son about her 494 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: assault in the hope that it would encourage other women 495 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: to stand up for what is right. She said she 496 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: had been inspired by Grace Tame and Brittany Higgins. So 497 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: Olivia said, I felt like there have been too many 498 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: times in my life and friends of mine have experienced 499 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: the same sort of thing, when things like this have 500 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: happened and you've just brushed it under the rug and 501 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: hope that you can forget about it and just move 502 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 1: on from it. I just think enough is enough. I 503 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: had a similar thing happened to me in the past 504 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: that really upset me, but I did not really use 505 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: my voice, and I felt like it was finally time 506 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: to do that and to make a point that you 507 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: can't treat people like that and get away with it. 508 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: If your gut is telling you that something feels really wrong, 509 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: then chances are it really is wrong and you should 510 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: report it. Nothing is too small. If it has made 511 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: you feel uncomfortable and it is inappropriate behavior, then it 512 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: is worth reporting and following up. I think what she 513 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: said about nothing being too small if it was inappropriate 514 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: or made you feel uncomfortable, is such an excellent point 515 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: because I remember back in the day, I feel like 516 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: this was quite common behavior and nightclubs to have people 517 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: come up and grab your ass. 518 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 2: Oh, I specifically remember. 519 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: Anyone from Adelaide will know that the Grand Bar used 520 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: to be the place to be on a Sunday night 521 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: back ten years ago. 522 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: You'd literally line up to the jetty to get in. 523 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: And I remember this one guy in particular that we 524 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: were kind of acquaintances with on several occasions, he walked 525 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: up and pinched me on the ass on two separate nights, 526 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: and I think I was only nineteen at the time, 527 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: and I just felt too uncomfortable to say anything, Like 528 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: I felt as though it was supposed to not be 529 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: a big deal, and I just had to laugh it 530 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: off and get on with it. That's what it annoys me, 531 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: because all of these perpetrators, they're all the same, aren't they. 532 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: They're like, Oh, it was just a joke. It didn't 533 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: mean anything by it. It's like, your behavior is so appalling. Yeah, 534 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: it's kind of like this boys with boys mentality, and 535 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: you should be so flattered that they've showed you some 536 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: sort of attention because apart from the ass pinching, there 537 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,479 Speaker 1: was no conversation involved. It is so brave of her 538 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: to speak out, and I'm so glad that she's doing it, because, 539 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: as she was saying, she probably does regret the fact 540 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: that she didn't feel comfortable or confident to speak out 541 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: in the first place, because, as she said, if you 542 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: don't speak out and say something, it's just going to 543 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: go on and happen to someone else. I think also, 544 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: being a high profile person, it would be really difficult 545 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: to come out and go to court and have something 546 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: like this so public. 547 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: I mean, it's so true. 548 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: I mean, look at the movie Bombshell where they reported 549 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: that pig from Fox. Nobody wants to make claims against people. 550 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 2: It's not really good for your career. 551 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: I know in this instance it wasn't actually a powerful man. 552 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: It was a random in a pub. But people also 553 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: don't want that tag of being like a dobber attached 554 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: to them. 555 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right. The second you talk out about something, 556 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,719 Speaker 2: you're almost the issues. 557 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 558 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 2: I think it's so powerful that she's gone to court. 559 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: It's a really difficult process to go to court because 560 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: when a lot of the time, when women do call 561 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: out this sort of behavior, they are framed in a 562 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: way that it is their fault, and the defense sometimes 563 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: dig things up about people acting like they were asking 564 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: for this sort of attention in quotations I'm using there, Well, 565 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: what a bullshit excuse as well how he said, oh, 566 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: that wasn't me in the vision, it clearly is you, mate. 567 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: I just think it's so embarrassing for him, and I'm 568 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: really glad that he's been brought to justice, considering this 569 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: is systemic behavior from this man. Well. Olivia actually released 570 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: her book last week and it's called Find Your Light, 571 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: and she shares a story about her life, including a 572 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: chapter on this incident. So I actually can't wait to 573 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: read it. I feel like it's going to be a 574 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: really good book. 575 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 2: I think that's all we have. 576 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: Time for today. Thank you so much for joining us 577 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: for today's episode. If you have enjoyed it, could you 578 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: please take pity on me and the shitty week I've 579 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: had and leave us a five star review and rating. 580 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: I've been a little bit pummeled with the recent review. 581 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: Oh yes, safe's been setting them to us again, apparently 582 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: people don't like us talking about our parents or our boyfriends, 583 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: which we got to chuckle about, and also not dig 584 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: in the Christmas episodes too much. So if you do 585 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: enjoy the Christmas episode, and you do enjoy the podcast 586 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: in general, please go. 587 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 2: And leave us a review. We really really appreciate it. 588 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 2: There's only a couple of episodes left. We can all 589 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 2: get through them together. 590 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: If you're not enjoying it, really exciting chats coming up. 591 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: So I feel like everyone is going to enjoy the 592 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: rest of the Christmas episodes. 593 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, would you know what it's better than not having 594 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 2: any content? Is great? Is that a threat? So many? 595 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many podcasts out there that will be 596 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: ending in a few weeks and we're soldiering through the 597 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: festive season, look like at two episodes a week. Yeah, 598 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: I feel like there's a few. I feel like there's 599 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: a few Christmas branches out there, and I want the 600 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: Christmas lovers to come forward and go and leave us 601 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: some nice reviews. 602 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: Use to pop out times. 603 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't forget to join in on all the 604 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: conversations that are going on in our Facebook community, which 605 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: is outspoken the podcast community, and can people, please make 606 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: me feel better. In the group, let's post some photos 607 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: of our dogs shitty haircuts and also how they look. Now, 608 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: so I've got a bit of glimmer of hope. But 609 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: so if are you going to be posting one of 610 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: Archie because we did joke you'd only be doing throwback Thursdays, 611 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: Well on his Instagram it's only throwback Thursdays. But I'm 612 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: happy to put up a photo of Archie and all 613 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: his glory on our Facebook. 614 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: Now you're just joking. 615 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: You are going to be sharing photos of Archie? 616 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 2: Have I already have? I'm not some witch.