1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: This is jem Nation with Jonesy. 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 2: Our next guest is someone who, along with the sex Pistols, 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: is responsible for initiating the punk movement in the UK 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,159 Speaker 2: and then right around the world. Steve Jones, known as 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: the guitar hero of the band, has seen his warts 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: and all book Lonely Boy Tales from a sex Pistol 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: turned into a six episode series on Disney Plus. I reckon. 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: If you're looking for an extreming obsession, this should be it. 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: Steve Jones, what a thrilled to talk to you. 10 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, good, I mean very good and I just 11 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 3: finished streaming you. 12 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: It's such a great series. 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 4: Oh thank you. What do you think of Toby Wallace? 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: He's an. 15 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, he was in that Danny found him from 16 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 4: he liked He liked him in that movie Baby Teeth, 17 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 4: which he I guess he won some award in Australia, Toby. 18 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 4: But yeah, he was hung out in LA for a 19 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 4: few weeks and he just used to stare at me 20 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 4: and I gave him some guitar lessons. It did good. 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: I thought to watch it. 22 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: I thought I knew everything there was to know about 23 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: the sex Pistils. I didn't realize about the relationship that 24 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 3: you had with Chrissy Hein and I like in your 25 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: book how she writes the crack. 26 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: Of Dawn wasn't safe around him. That's the best line ever. 27 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: I know it's terrible, but I just didn't realize that. 28 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: And that's what I got out of Pistol. Watching it, 29 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: I went, Wow, this is it really answered a lot 30 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: of questions for me. Was I came late into the 31 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: punk era? You know, by the time I discovered the 32 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: sex Pistols, sid Visius has been dead for five years, 33 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 3: you know I was. I was seventeen in nineteen eighty five, 34 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: and it really changed my life. And I guess in 35 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: a way, I wonder if, like, does that happen for 36 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: kids these days? 37 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 4: Still? Yeah, you could. You can once she's like something, 38 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 4: peach your interest and you can go down a rabbit 39 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 4: hole for sure on something like this. I mean this show, 40 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 4: for instance, I'm hoping and I think it was designed 41 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 4: to a younger generation. You know, the streams of kind 42 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: of shot through the roofs. 43 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: You have said that. I mean it's a kind of 44 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: a chaotic start and a big chaotic life early on 45 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: fourteen criminal convictions as a kid and as outrageous as 46 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: it looks from the outside. You've said, actually that the 47 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: sex pistol saved you from a life of crime, that 48 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: that sort of saved your life in a way. 49 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean it's so stereotypical, but it is actually true. 50 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 4: I think I wasn't heading down a good path. It 51 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 4: was only a matter of time until I would have gotten, 52 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 4: you know, into a proper prison, and I would have 53 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 4: been off and running. I think, in and out all 54 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 4: the time. 55 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 3: And used to nick a lot of stuff, you like, 56 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: nicked train sets and then amplifiers from David Bowie. 57 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: That's quite a diverse range of things. 58 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 4: Well you name it. If it wasn't nailed down, it 59 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 4: was disappearing. 60 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 1: Do you still nick stuff? No? 61 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 4: No, no, no, no no. I got sober. I've been 62 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 4: sober thirty one years and drugs and alcohol and when 63 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 4: I did that and I slowly turned my life around. 64 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: There's also been a resurgence in interest in you, of course, 65 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: with the Queen's Jubilee and God Save the Queen shooting 66 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: back up the charts and people seem surprised that you 67 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: guys still aren't anti queen, which, as you say, look, 68 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: if you haven't changed your thinking in all these years, 69 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: how are you living if we're not still the same 70 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: people we were at eighteen? 71 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 4: Exactly exactly when you're eighteen, you ain't got a clue. 72 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 4: You know, you think you know it all, and you know, 73 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 4: you know you live from dat day. You don't think 74 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 4: of the following two days or week ahead of you. 75 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 4: You know, I don't even listen to sex pistols anymore. 76 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 4: I'm sick of listening to the sex pistols. I like 77 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 4: listening to mellow stuff. I like listening to Steely Dan. 78 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 4: But don't tell anybody. 79 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: But when you watch Pistol back, how did you feel 80 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 3: watching it? 81 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 4: It was? It was moving when the first time I 82 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 4: saw the first episode. It's quite something. 83 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: Well, it's a lot about you. It's because it's based 84 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: on your book. 85 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's weird. It's kind of like when I 86 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 4: see Toby, I don't look at him like it's me. 87 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 4: It's like I'm looking at some guy acting something I don't. 88 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 4: You know. It's hard now and again I kind of 89 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 4: tap into it. But it's a weird one. 90 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 2: There must be so many sliding doors that you say 91 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: that when you recorded Anarchy in the UK, you know, 92 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: as you said, you're pretty illteral, you didn't know what 93 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: the word anarchy meant. And have your as you say, 94 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 2: your book now made into a series with Jenny Boyle. 95 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: That's incredible. 96 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I am an author, Yeah. 97 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 3: Hips grown up and a best selling author. And also 98 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 3: you made it into the one hundred Greatest Rock Guitarists 99 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 3: of All Time list. 100 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: That was pretty good. 101 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I barely got in there, but you've got like 102 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:21,239 Speaker 4: ninety seven. 103 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: But for someone that couldn't better. 104 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 4: It's better than one hundred and one exactly. It's funny. 105 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 4: I've been blessed. I've been blessed. 106 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 3: You know, has John Lyden changed his tune about it 107 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: since you know he didn't want you to make this, 108 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 3: Has he changed his tune about it now that's come out. 109 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 4: No, I don't think he can change his tune at 110 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 4: this point. It is what it is. And you know, 111 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 4: I don't know why he well, I do know, because 112 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 4: it's obvious that that was the road he was going 113 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 4: to go down, because that's him. Yeah, it's a shunning 114 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 4: because he's portrayed very good in it in the show. 115 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 4: You know, he actually gets a lot of praise and 116 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 4: and and but it's it's that it's all good whatever. 117 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 4: We don't hang out, and we never have. We've been 118 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 4: living in the same city for thirty five years and 119 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 4: I never we never speak to each other. 120 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 3: Well, Steve, it's great to talk to you. You don't 121 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,239 Speaker 3: have a train set? Do you buy any chance? 122 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: Do you know a Nick one? 123 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 4: Well? 124 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: No, I just thought you might have had a train set, 125 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: because they're always great. 126 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 4: Rod Stewart has a big one. 127 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: Asking you over, Steve, who's Nick me train set? 128 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 4: Joe? Where did yeah, where did that carriage go? 129 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: Train set go? 130 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 3: He's me Nick's Nick, my train set and my missus. 131 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: Steve, it's always great. 132 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 3: Well, it's just great to talk to Thank you for 133 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 3: joining his lonely boy tell him sex Pistol. There's the book, 134 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: but also check out Pistol the six part series. It's 135 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: the greatest thing in the World's now streaming on Disney Plus. 136 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: Steve Jones, Thanks. 137 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 4: Mate, Thanks a lot, see later. 138 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: Thank you.