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Speaker 2: Good morning to your Chief Minister.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 2: Well should I ask how's the legs this morning?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Katie, it's a bit difficult to bend over and

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Speaker 3: Just great to see the community coming together, not just

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Speaker 1: Taking secret is it, Katie, is to run with someone

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Speaker 1: of the serious issues of the last week or so.

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Speaker 1: There has been, like we've said, some fantastic events coming

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Speaker 1: To try and sort the crime issue in Alice Springs

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Speaker 3: So Katie, those incident should not have happened, and that

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Speaker 1: Now, there was also a paramedic assaulted who'd gone to assist.

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Speaker 3: So Katie, we're expecting a report later this month on

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Speaker 2: What do you anticipate's going to be in that report?

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Speaker 1: Why is it taking so long? Because you know, I

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Speaker 1: So that's around the knife crime strategy that you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: So Katie, we are making we have made changes. We're

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Speaker 1: Piece of work. So I just want to make it

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Speaker 1: I mean a business shouldn't be getting broken into, correct,

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely unacceptable, but we've got support there when it

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Speaker 3: So the Catherine Youth Coordination Meeting is held bi weekly

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Speaker 3: We need competitive flights because it's lower costs for Territorians

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Speaker 1: Have we had any movement in terms of the Northern

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Speaker 1: We are struggling at the moment, Katie.

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Speaker 3: We've invested an additional thirty five point five million in

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Speaker 3: We continue to work with this sector. But yes, we're

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister of the Northern Territory Natasha Files, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your time this morning. Take care,