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Speaker 2: App's got a very special guest in the studio. We're

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Speaker 2: both enormous fans of this TV show Heartbreak High on Netflix.

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Speaker 2: When it rebirted, it really did change the game for

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Speaker 2: Ossie TV for viewing of Ossie TV. Streaming of Ossie TV,

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Speaker 2: and the host of young actors are sort of coming

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Speaker 2: through was truly staggering. I think everyone in particular was

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Speaker 2: blown away by the character of Quinnie from Heartbreak High,

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Speaker 2: who played this autistic young woman trying to find her

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Speaker 2: way in Heartbreak High. And that young woman was played

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Speaker 2: by Chloe Hayden, who joins us right now on Willem.

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Speaker 3: What do you Welcome to the show, Kloe.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me, So great to

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Speaker 4: have you here, mate.

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Speaker 3: First question, we love you, We love Joey. Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much.

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Speaker 1: Did you miss the character of Quinnie because you so

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Speaker 1: you wrapped up filming season three, which is the final season. Yea,

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Speaker 1: when when did you wrap up filming that?

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Speaker 3: In February?

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Speaker 1: In feb Yeah, are you missing Quinnie?

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Speaker 4: I think so, But I also think when you are

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Speaker 4: with a character for that long, and when you put

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Speaker 4: so much of yourself into a character, they kind of

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Speaker 4: stay with you forever. I don't think. I think Quinnie

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Speaker 4: stays with me and we'll do so forever now because.

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Speaker 2: You are you actually you actually are autistic, right I am? Yes.

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Speaker 2: So I was listening to a great podcast on the

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Speaker 2: movie rain Man with Dustin Hoffman where he goes on

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Speaker 3: I'm I have you seen the movie?

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Speaker 2: Have you heard of the movie?

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Speaker 4: I know of the movie because when I was first

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Speaker 4: diagnosed as autistic, people would tell me, but you can't

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Speaker 4: be autistic because you're nothing like rain Man.

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Speaker 3: You're kidding war you'd actually have people saying that to you.

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Speaker 4: It happens to me now where people will say to me, oh,

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Speaker 4: but you can't be autistic because I've seen The Good

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Speaker 4: Doctor or I've seen Sheldon Cooper. And this is the

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Speaker 4: issue of non AUTI stick people playing autistic characters, artistic

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Speaker 4: writers making autistic stories. Your perception of autism is wrong.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was version of autism, which is not

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Speaker 2: So he kicked off a spate of movies where actors

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Speaker 2: I think kind of all fell in a heap. It

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Speaker 2: this is ridiculous. I don't know, you've just sketched out

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Speaker 2: a little bit of it there, But what do you

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Speaker 2: think about that in general, about people who don't actually

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Speaker 2: have autism or whatever it is, ADHD, whatever it is,

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Speaker 4: I don't think people are aware even still of just

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Speaker 4: only understanding of, for example, autism, comes from these films.

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Speaker 4: And when you are a young girl who is nothing

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Speaker 4: like these characters, because these characters aren't real and for

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Speaker 4: even rooted in realism, you end up with this feeling

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Speaker 4: or people that are non autistic quote unquote professionals who

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Speaker 1: So, Chloe, does that mean that when you were making

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Speaker 1: and directors and whatnot just around like Well, actually, I

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Speaker 1: don't think Quinnie the character would respond like that or

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Speaker 4: I was really lucky with Heartbreak High that Quinnie was

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Speaker 4: I received dozens of messages every single day from people

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Speaker 4: Much used as that diversity tick, and we still kind

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Speaker 4: And I think we can get to a point where

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Speaker 4: you don't go brilliant diversity, you go, that's just a

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Speaker 3: That are disabled.

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Speaker 4: We need to see that same amount of people on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so cool quitting from Heartbreak high on Netflix

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Speaker 2: have enjoyed that. She's inn here of though, for Lego

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Speaker 2: ww Lego dot Comford to get around that. Chloe, Welcome

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Speaker 2: This she built that campaign. What's it all about?

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Speaker 4: So she built that is a Lego brand campaign where

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Speaker 4: putting it onto these young girls, showcasing these young girls.

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Speaker 4: We've got three girls in this campaign. One of them

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Speaker 4: They are the most incredible girls that are doing incredible

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Speaker 4: I didn't know when I could do that.

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Speaker 1: It's such a boat initiative because there's an old saying

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Speaker 1: which is just I imagine for you growing up as a

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Speaker 3: It's been wonderful having you in here, mate.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Heartbreak High and television last year at the Logos,

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Speaker 2: finale of Heartbreak High, then you went straight in to

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Speaker 2: the Logis. We're actually going to the Logis this year.

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Speaker 2: We're going to take someone with us as well. Actually,

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Speaker 2: Chloe so I think you've been on the other side

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Speaker 4: I have. I was that girl who would camp out

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Speaker 4: Like I like, I'm never gonna take this industry for granted, man,

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Speaker 4: because I had these people on my wall up until

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Speaker 1: Who was like the number one person that you were

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Speaker 4: I am the biggest one Direction fan that has literally.

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Speaker 4: Walked the earth. Camped out the front for like three

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Speaker 4: days to see Harry Styles and Nile Horn. I flew

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Speaker 4: I have met Nile Horne a few times, and I'm

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Speaker 4: He actually knew my granddad weirdly enough, so he sent

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Speaker 4: me a message on Facebook when I was like twenty,

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Speaker 4: like that's not I have learned about stranger danger. I

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Speaker 4: an Irish accent right now. He's like, hey, it's Bobby Horran,

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Speaker 4: I'm Nile's dad. Here's proof. And then he just starts

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Speaker 4: and we've been to his house before. And then he

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Speaker 3: Oh so well, so much.

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Speaker 2: Well, nobody saw that game d M from Nile Warren's Dad's.

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Speaker 4: Got celebrity dms.

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Speaker 3: You message backs.

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Speaker 1: That's great for cybersecurity reasons.

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Speaker 2: Don't do that next time the Nigerian prince reaches out,

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Speaker 2: he does need money? Ready does get him out of there.

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Speaker 2: a phony at the logis. You go to Willlingwoo dot com.

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Speaker 2: You can nominate yourself on the wind page to be

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Speaker 2: the doppelganger.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever seen like, do you know of.

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Speaker 2: Any celebrity doppelganger? It's like at all, Chloe, that that

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Speaker 4: I've been on red carpets before and I had people

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Speaker 4: go on your Taylor Joy, on your Taylor Joy, come

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Speaker 4: and get a photo with me. So you're I mean,

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Speaker 4: I'm already going to the legals this year because I'm nominated.

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Speaker 4: If you want to vote for me, bring me is

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Speaker 4: on your Taylor Joy. I am. I could be available.

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Speaker 4: It's TikTok ones where like people that like there's like

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Speaker 4: thousands of people go to the New York Park and

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Speaker 4: have like Timothy Shallon.

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Speaker 3: May look do that winder Street station.

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Speaker 1: We could not do any work and let's just use

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Speaker 1: Chloe to be and your Taylor.

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Speaker 2: It's a double win. Chloe, it's been such a treat

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Speaker 2: having you in the studio. Mate, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for coming in. Congratulations on all your success and all

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Speaker 2: the future success. And we've loved watching you, loved having

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Speaker 2: you in and we reckon You're brilliant, So thanks coming on,

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Speaker 2: will thank you. Pleasure