WEBVTT - FULL SHOW: Can you get sperm off FACEBOOK? 👪 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:19.400 Come on Wednesday. 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:22.520 Alla, Happy hump day, everybody, Happy hump Day. 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.279 I love hump Day. Laura's got her foot up on 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:25.599 the desk. 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:29.000 But we all get itchy feet. You're doing a radio show, 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:29.800 you don't. 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:31.680 It's like when you can't commit to something, isn't it? 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:32.680 That's like what that means? 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:33.800 No, that's coming into money. 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.520 I think it means. 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:40.600 It's not between my toes. It's not like a gross 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:42.000 part of my foot. Were talking about my feet way 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:44.560 too much on the show. It's like just the sign 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:46.440 around my ankle. It's so weird, like I just got 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:47.240 bitten by something. 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.000 Anyway, I've googled it. What does it? Chi feet mean? 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:55.000 Many situations can clean to It's saying moisture dry or 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:56.160 tin or parasites. 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.200 No, you know how they say things like the apple 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:00.640 never falls far from the tree. I'm pretty sure when 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:02.520 you've got itchy feet, it means that you can't commit. 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.480 You're run out of there, you're married. 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:06.200 Here we go. 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.440 Yeah, Apparently an old superstition is if the soul of 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:10.040 your foot is itchy, it he said that you will 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:11.360 walk on strange ground. 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:13.880 Oh where am I going after this? 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:16.479 Really? We got to the bottom of that guys. 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:22.280 Hey, on the show today, I have very exciting baby 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:23.199 news in my world. 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:25.200 Oh yeah, I. 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:26.600 Mean, we know, we're so excited. 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:28.360 You've been through a lot with me on this show. 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:31.600 You know, big breakups, big new relationships, partners, and there's 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:33.679 a new stage in my life. I'm still at home 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:35.479 with my parents, but there is big baby news. 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:37.200 It doesn't matter. When I had my baby, I was 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:38.080 living in a sharehouse. 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:39.600 That makes me feel so much better. 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:41.479 That's probably going to come as a shock to some listeners. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.280 Or lived in a share house with Matt's best friends 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.200 when she was born. We moved out to two weeks 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.600 before she was bornly received how I was, Well, I 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.280 did my whole entire pregnant in a sharehouse. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:54.880 Really, And I know everyone would have thought Britt would 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:56.240 be the next one with like baby news, with the 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:57.600 IVF journey and the engagement. 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.520 Well the sharehouse. She screams, pregnant in the sharehouse. I've 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.920 got them, I've got kids, but they're just in the freezer. 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:03.840 Yeah they're on ice. 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:04.280 Yeah. 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.680 Well, I've got baby news, and mine are in this world. 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:09.080 I'm going to let's go to a break. When we 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:10.560 come back, I'm going to share. I think some of 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:12.799 the most exciting news I've ever had in my life. 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:14.640 What bread was so excited for you, Mitch. 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:16.720 That's after this here on the pickup, Welcome to Wednesday. 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.720 I this week became an uncle. 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:27.640 Okay. I was so happy for you. 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.120 You're so happy for Becky, for your sister, but also 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:30.480 for you. 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.040 This is such a big moment for me. 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.080 It's the first baby in the family, my beautiful sister Becky, 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:35.880 who's been on this. 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.040 Show before many times, many times. 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.440 Yeah, she gave birth to the first baby in the family, 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:42.680 baby Remy, thirty seven weeks. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:43.840 She's a gorgeous little girl. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:47.720 And with my brother in law Kurt, happy, healthy, I 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:49.919 feel like a different man. Even though it's not my baby. 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.680 There's something going on in my body, my hormones. 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.520 Her Okay, mane. 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:56.760 Baby, and I think this is part of me. 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.360 I understand this, Mitch, because I remember when my sister 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.200 had her very first so she's got a little boy 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.440 and a girl. But when she had Archer, my nephew, 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:08.000 my very first nephew, I had this real feeling. 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:09.560 It just was different. I was like, oh, this is 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:11.760 my baby. I'm now an auntie. 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.640 But also I'm a mom, Like, I'm sorry, Alicia, but 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.560 I'm vet. It felt really different for me, but also 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.480 I think from us as well. With Becky having a baby, 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:22.560 there's so much more load into this. Becky's been on 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.160 the show, She's spoken about how hard her health battles 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:28.040 have been over the last year having MS, and this 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.600 is just such a huge and incredible change in life. 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:33.680 Like, we're so excited for her, so much so I 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:35.440 sent a photo of myself bawling my eyes out in 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:36.040 our group chat. 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:37.280 I know, I got a photo of it. 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.320 I got a photo of Remy. And first of all, 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:43.160 they didn't tell me the gender. They're like, born seventeen seventeen, Remy, 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:43.960 and then. 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:45.840 It's just a baby. All babies look like blobs. 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:47.280 Also, Remy doesn't really. 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.839 Remy's gender neutral, so my, oh my god, boy girl, 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:51.600 boy girl. I didn't find out for two hours. They 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.160 were so stressed with the birth of the baby. 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:55.280 Maybe they're trying to keep a gender neuse. They are beautiful. 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:56.680 That is a beautiful baby, this. 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:58.280 Little baby girl. And I sent it to the group 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:00.280 chat and Laura was sobbing. 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.440 Sobbing, And then I saw the photo of myself that 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:03.880 I sat and I was like, God, I need to 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:05.200 book myself in for some botox. 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:06.960 So I did that straight afterwards. I love it. That's 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.480 what you thought. You know, some people are pretty criers 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:10.600 and some people are ugly cries. 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.920 And did God, I'm an ugly cryer. No, I just think, like, 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.800 and you know your sister Sherry's pregnant, brit. 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.280 Yep, She's having a baby in like seven weeks, her 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:18.920 first baby. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:20.160 So I'm super excited. 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:21.240 I just sudden came over me. 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.279 I'm so proud of Becky, Like she was so so 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.680 scared truthfully about living with MS. She's only diagnosed this year. 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.039 Having this baby. She had to get a caesar, and 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.960 the whole family were worried and scared. And the Cheery 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.720 family are so close, like you know us, Yeah, we 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:37.360 were all obsessed with each other. 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.200 I still live at home. My other sister lives at home. 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.520 Like the royal function that happened after this baby was born, 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:43.880 Michelle Truy, Like she. 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.000 Sat down on the couch. She's now a grandma. 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.840 She gets the phone book out, she calls everyone she's 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:50.120 ever had an interaction with. 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.520 And she did it the same way. She went Hello Annie, Karen. 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:59.120 Yeah, it's Grandma here, like the same joke the first time. 0:04:59.360 --> 0:04:59.919 That's good for you. 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.080 And an hour later, Hello Sam from Coles who serves 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.440 me on a Sunday Grandma who. 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:08.520 So beautiful? 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:09.000 Is what it is? 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:09.360 Fair? 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:10.800 You did call me and I was like hello you 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.160 like Hi, it's Uncle Mitch your mum's gear. 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.800 I love to plagiarize gear, you really do. 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:18.400 Definitely a Mitchchury thing I did. 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:19.159 But I'm an uncle. 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:20.560 So when you listening to this show, now you know 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:22.320 that's been what's missing. You know on this show we 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.240 talk to mums all the time, mums picking up kids 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:24.640 in cars. 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:25.440 Now you understand. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:26.960 Now you can go, I can write that game man. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.920 Now now it's pick up with Britt, Laura and Uncle Mitch. 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.000 Oh my god, Rebrand Well. 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.599 Okay, from all of us, genuinely, we could not be 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.440 happy for Becky. It's such a beautiful and special time 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:39.040 and for your whole family. 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.200 It's incredible. We're so so thrilled for you guys. 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.080 Well, speaking of babies, there is a documentary that's on 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.000 Netflix at the moment that has absolutely gone viral, and 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:52.040 it's The Men with a Thousand Kids. This Netflix series honestly, 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:56.159 it's all around sperm donation and the ways in which 0:05:56.240 --> 0:06:01.320 some people are accessing this donation via things like Facebook, Marketplace. 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.720 It's so fascinating and we're gonna be talking about it 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:04.120 next all. 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:07.160 Right, it's on my way here at the pickup well, which. 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:08.039 We've just been talking about. 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.760 Your beautiful sister having a baby, remember the first baby 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:12.839 if the Trury family. 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:16.440 Cute and dining, and she's beautiful. She's so beautiful. 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:19.440 But this's got me thinking about a Netflix special that 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:21.359 I've been watching recently. And I don't know if you 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.560 guys have seen this yet, but everyone in my friendship 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.680 group is talking about this. It's The Man with a 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.719 Thousand Kids. It's on Netflix. It centers around this guy. 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:32.560 His name's Jonathan Meyer, and no one knows exactly how 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.640 many children he has bothered, but as one could figure 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.080 out from the title, people think it is upwards of 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.760 a thousand children, so he Basically what happened is in 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:45.760 the Netherlands, he was giving his sperm away to people 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.880 like on Facebook, Marketplace, on the Internet, throughout these different 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.360 websites that were set up for the Dark's Back, where 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:56.320 yes it really is, but also come out it's come 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.520 out that it wasn't just in the Netherlands. There's people 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.600 in Australia that have earth children to him. There are 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:05.360 people all over the world that have birth children around 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.400 the world. No, he's been traveling, so he's actually a 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.520 YouTuber and a musician. Right, So he's traveled the world 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:14.360 and every place that he goes to he's making sperm deposits. 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.760 And then sometimes it's through sperm banks, but more often 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.200 than not it's actually through like unofficial sources things like 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:22.160 basebook marketplace. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:26.000 So hang on, laws is he doing this because you know, 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:27.680 not all heroes were capes and he just wants to 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:29.040 help people out Or is he making. 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.800 Money from it or is it some weird power trip. No, 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:33.800 so apparently he doesn't make much money at all. Like 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.080 it's quite in terms of how he sees it. It's 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.560 quite altruistic that he's like, I've got great. 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:40.239 Sperm and I want to give the gift of life 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:41.440 to as many people as possible. 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.120 Hang on, if he's traveling the world he's making bank 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:44.760 from this. 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.200 No, he's not doing it as a I mean, if 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.520 you look at his YouTube, he's definitely not a wealthy 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:53.280 man by any means, and I don't think that donating sperm. 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.880 Makes you a lot of money as a career choice. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.800 But the laws in the Netherlands is that if you're 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.080 donating sperm, you're not supposed to father any more than 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.600 twenty five children. So the fact that he's exceeded this 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.320 by like god knows how many. He says he thinks 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.640 it's more around the five hundred and fifty mark, but 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.720 the documentary goes into saying it's a thousand. Now the 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.240 problem is is that now it's come out that there's 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.960 all these kids to this man, which then creates like 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.280 the issue of all these children growing up in the 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:23.760 same town who are all siblings or half siblings, and 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.280 then like they sleep together, yes, and then falling in 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:28.640 love with each other and going to the same university 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.640 and meeting their half brother and having a relationship with them. 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.360 That originally I had that thought of like, Okay, who's 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:35.959 crazy enough to go and do this? But then I 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:37.400 kind of had to step back a little bit and 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.760 I was like, I'm in such a privileged position that 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:41.760 I have my own sperm bank walking around the house 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:43.320 at home, you know, I don't need to worry about 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.280 where I'm getting mine from to make children, But I mean, 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.040 you would have to consider this people who are in 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.280 same sex relationships or people who are not in a 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.400 relationship but are desperate to have a baby. 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.520 It is so hard, there's such a wait. 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.000 List for getting access to sperm that then it kind 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.760 of made me rethink. I understand why, if you're desperate, 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:03.400 you might go to these sorts of resources to try 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:04.200 and get a bit of help. 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.000 It's a good discussion, but then clearly now the ethics 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:08.520 need to be outlined and there needs to be an 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.840 infrastructure that can make something like this actually happen, because 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.280 it is very beneficial. But you're right, kids getting with 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.280 siblings down the track is not what we see. 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:19.040 I one hundred percent understand the people that are looking 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.200 to get the sperm from Facebook marketplace like there. 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:22.120 Of course they are. 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.280 There is such a limiting factor or limiting number of 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.280 available donations in Australia. I have multiple friends in same 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.400 sex relationships that have had to go to other countries 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.840 to get what they need to go and procreate. So 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:37.080 I understand the feeling of desperation to go to a 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:37.680 place like. 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.840 This, but I don't think I'm gonna have to do 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:40.280 some research. 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.080 I don't think I can get on board with this ethically, 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.440 there's a lot wrong with it. You don't know where 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.360 it's from. You're not doing the same testing, there's not 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:50.160 the same screening. So it's for me, I understand it, 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.000 but that doesn't necessarily mean I think it's completely okay. 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:54.920 There's also the risks that are involved that that's what 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.600 this documentary goes into, like what people thought they were getting, 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:00.520 and some people didn't just get deposits. 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:02.960 Some people actually slept with him. So it's like, here's 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:03.160 the thing. 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.080 Though, it's so interesting to talk about it, thinking this 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:06.040 man's in the Netherlands. 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:07.800 We've done some research here at the pickup. 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.480 There is an Aussie version of this guy who lives 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.880 and breathed in Australia and he's doing the exact same thing. 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:15.839 He hasn't fathered a thousand kids, and he's a bit 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.520 more ethically focused. But we thought, you know what, let's 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.520 actually go inside the mind of someone who does this 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:21.240 for a living. 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.640 Yeah, like what would make someone want to father that 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.200 many children or even donate sperm in the first place? 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:26.600 Exactly? 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.520 So he's joining his next Adam Hooper from Sperm Donation Australia. 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.320 He's coming on the show after this on the pickup standby. 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:33.040 It's going to be fun. 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:34.959 Laura. 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.000 We know you're obsessed with the Netflix sensation that everyone 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:38.920 is watching at the moment. 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:40.360 Man with a thousand kids, I. 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:41.520 Just think it's so fascinating. 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.400 So if you've missed what it's about, there's a guy 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:47.880 in the Netherlands who has potentially fathered over a thousand 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.880 children from his sperm donations across the world. But so 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.320 many of those children are like centered in this one 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:56.720 town in the Netherlands. So now there's this big moral 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:59.600 and ethical debate going on around how some of those 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:01.679 kids might end up falling in love with each other. 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:03.800 And you know, so we wanted to go inside this 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.120 industry because it is an industry and we think this 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.040 is so far away. It's in the Netherlands, stuff like 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.200 this is happening in Australia. On the phone joining us 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.520 live is Adam who but from Sperm Donation Australia. Adam 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.400 has two children and more than fifteen donor children out 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.920 there in the wild. He joins us now to educate 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:20.720 us on this because it's such an interesting topic. Welcome 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:22.200 to the pick up, Adam, How are you mate? 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.840 Yeah, I'm good, I've been I'm well wind watching the 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.560 Thousand Kids show on Netflix, hasn't. 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:29.640 It My biggest question? 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:29.800 Though? 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:31.720 Adam is correct me if I'm wrong. 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.319 You don't go through the normal traditional sperm bank sort 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:37.280 of setups. Do you you have a different way in 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:38.800 which people can access sperm. 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.480 Well, that's not entirely true. Look, basically these days now 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:48.200 the weights that clinics for a donor is two years plus. 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:50.360 So a lot of clinics now are telling them to 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.120 come to sperm Donation Australia, source your donor and then 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:57.040 take them through that route. So you know, that's the 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.920 thing about spermination Australia is it's more of a personal 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.720 choice because anonymity is dead now the child can find 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:07.200 out who you are at eighteen regardless, people are deciding 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.400 now that it's probably good to find out from day 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.079 one if they're comfortable with who that Jenne potentially is 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:12.480 going to be. 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.600 Adam, what made you want to do this? 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:19.280 I came across a person that it was in the 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.920 same sex relationship and they said that they were looking 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.559 to start a family. I had just had my second 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:26.520 child at that stage, and I was in a relationship 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:28.880 and I knew how special it was for me and 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.240 my life to be a parent. And when I got 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.320 to speak to this person, I thought, Wow, this person 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.520 you really deserves, you know, to be worthy of being 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:38.400 a parent. So then I looked into the clinics and 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:39.959 then I went to go sign up with a clinic 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:41.679 and they're like, you don't know who you're going to 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:43.120 be helping or who's going to pick you. And that 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:44.880 didn't sit right with me because I didn't want my 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.360 two children having incests. So for me, I had to 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:48.440 know who I was helping. 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.439 So can you tell me then, if you've got fifteen 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:56.120 donor kids already, do you have a relationship with those 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:59.240 children at all? And also, on top of that, what's 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.440 the limit for you? Like, how many donor kids do 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:02.640 you think you'll bring into the world. 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:05.880 Well, look, my day's slowed right down now, I've got 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.760 so many donors Now. Back in the pioneer days, when 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:13.120 Jonathan was around back in twenty fourteen, you know, he 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.240 would do a post and nearly every woman on the 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.719 post was commenting and wanting services. That's because there was 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.079 a lack of donors. Now we've got thousands and thousands 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:25.079 of donors to choose from, and you know, this documentary 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.360 is just brought through three hundred people we had to 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:29.840 screen through in the last week week or so. So 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:34.520 you know. So for me, I'm not really actively looking 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.360 to donate, but every now and then I come across 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.679 a really good person that just captures my interest that 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.079 you know, I feel compelled to help. 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.280 So if people don't, if people wanted to just donate, 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.440 Adam like they want to do a good deed and 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.080 help someone but not be involved, can they do that? 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.840 Look, every donor looks for something different for what suits 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:55.199 their lifestyle. For me, I like the personal social aspect 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:56.640 of it. I like to know that the child's going 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:58.640 all right, and now I helped a good person. Yeah, 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:00.720 you know, I don't have like check in we've mean 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.319 sort of demands, but like, you know, just the friendly 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.800 chat here and there that does me fine. And yeah, 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:10.120 I put the group meetings out there for parents to 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.320 come and let their children meet each other so they 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:14.560 all feel comfortable and know each other so they don't 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.400 have that risk of incests. You know, the formal channels 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:20.160 of clinics unless the kids come forward and want to 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.720 reach out to the donor, then the children don't necessarily 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.200 ever meet or know of each other. So you know, 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.240 you're still finding that risk of incest that happens from 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:29.800 the clinics more likely than this way. 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.280 Wow, nowadays, let's go to a break because I mean, 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.880 we can't just talk sperm our's hand, as much as. 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:35.920 We'd all love to, you would love to. 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.280 Let's get producer Grace in here, because I think if 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.320 you're in the car listen to this and you're thinking, oh, 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:41.920 it's a bit mad, I don't know. I don't know, 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.000 I don't know. I mean, odds are I put money 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:45.320 on it. You've got a nuclear family, you might be 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.880 in a heterosexual relationship. I think you'd really benefit from 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.880 hearing Grace's side, someone who is actually at the precipice 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.200 of doing this asself. Yeah, I'm so Grace Epe joining 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:54.240 us next on the pickup. 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:56.520 Hey, if you're just joining us. 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.600 We've been talking a lot about kids and IVY pro 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.400 creation going down the right channels and the wrong channels, 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.040 and the reason that that is is because this Netflix 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:09.640 documentary Man with a Thousand Kids has been going viral. 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:11.200 It's exactly what it sounds like. 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.720 It's a man that is spreading his seed left, right 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:17.760 and center, and he has a thousand kids around the world. 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.320 Go to kids. So we did speak to our very 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:23.760 own version of that in Australia. His name is Adam. 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.080 He has been doing the same thing on a lesser scale, 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:30.760 more monitored fifteen. I mean it's no, but he runs sorry, 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:33.000 he's done fifteen, but he runs a group for it 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.800 that is not mainstream IVF clinic. It's just a group 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:39.160 on Facebook online where you can go and swap eggs 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.560 for sperm or donate sperm. But we have our very 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:45.120 own executive producer, Grace, who is married to her beautiful 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:49.240 wife Diana, and happened to be a member of this group. 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.480 Grace, you're going down this track, are you? 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.800 Well, yeah, I've been a member of Sperm Donation Australia 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.840 for probably the last three or four years. No, purely 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:00.600 because I was just fascinated and then you know, it 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:01.760 got to a point where I was like, I'm going 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:03.640 to marry this woman, so I need to start figuring 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:05.720 out what my options are and that kind of thing, 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.040 and it was just really fascinating to see when it 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.000