1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. Coming 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: up on today's show, Sarah's Day teases the gender of 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: her baby. Instagram models are accused of ruining Australian Fashion Week. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley says she's embarrassed to be an influencer, and 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: the real life Martha from Baby Reindeer is demanding millions 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: for her interview with Piers Morgan. But first, Tammy Hembrose 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: fiance Matt Sakowski has revealed he shot himself in the 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: car on the way to record a podcast. The former 10 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: Love Island contestant spent the first five minutes of his 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: podcast detailing the gross story in a segment called ick 12 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: of the Week. It definitely gave me a massive ich. 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,639 Speaker 1: So what actually happened? What caused him to shoot himself? Well, 14 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: he said that he went to fart and then followed through. 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: And I felt really sorry for his co host Anna 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: macnvoy because she copped the first phone call asking if 17 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: she had any spared jobs for him, and she didn't. 18 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: So he actually had to race into a shopping center 19 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: in Tuac, of all places. It's a very fancy suburban 20 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: Melbourne to go and buy some new undies. So he 21 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: said he first disposed of his underpants in the public toilet. 22 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: He then went and bought new undies and new trackies 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: from the shopping center and. 24 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: Some gastro stop. 25 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: Is this because he's been in Bali? Did he have 26 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: a case of Bali belly? Or adamcam Boy was a 27 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: little bit nervous because she was set to board a 28 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: flight to Grease for her wedding after the podcast, and 29 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: she said, oh my god, I hope you're not contagious, 30 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: so I'm going to be shitting on the plane. And 31 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: he said, well, I was a little bit worried I 32 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: would be contagious, but I think it's from eating a 33 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: dodgy oyster in Bali on Tammy's thirtieth birthday trip. The 34 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: best bit was when he spoke about having to call 35 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: Tammy and tell her the news. 36 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: Let's throw to that clip. Imagine like calling fucking new 37 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: fiance saying hey, you never believe it. 38 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: I'm running through woolies trying to find a new pair 39 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 3: of under It was it fun. 40 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: I would be more concerned sharing that information with the 41 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: podcast as opposed to my fiance. 42 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: That being said, I feel like everyone. 43 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: Has a funny poost, like an instance where something has 44 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: hit them when they're in the car or they're out 45 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: and about, and it's so shameful, but it does actually 46 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: happen to everyone. Well, props to him for actually going 47 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: and then recording the podcast after he could have easily 48 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: just driven home. Well, Sophie, it sounds like you want 49 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: to share one. 50 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: I definitely don't want to share one. 51 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: But I think we've all had that experience of going 52 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: to a restaurant and you've experienced food poisoning at the 53 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: restaurant and you're having to make that dash back home. 54 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,839 Speaker 1: I think that that is the most humanizing, leveling thing 55 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: to happen to everyone. I'm just feeling so sorry for 56 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: all of the outspoken listeners who are probably starting their 57 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: day with breakfast and listening to this episode. I want 58 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 1: to know what happened to Matt's car, because he said 59 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: it was liquidy, and also he had to dispose of 60 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: his track pants, so. 61 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 2: The track pants as well. 62 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: I remember once you got food poisoning, Kate, when we 63 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: were all working at a bar job and we driven together, 64 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: and i'd only just recently bought a brand new car, 65 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: and you like, can. 66 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: I please take it? 67 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: And I think we made the decision that if you 68 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: got caught short and had to do. 69 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: Business in the car, we would be exchanging cars. 70 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was touch and go. The funniest bit was 71 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: I actually wanted so it was we had Mazdatoo's and 72 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: I wanted the black version, which you got, so I 73 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: was half tempted to, you know, let things go. 74 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 4: Honestly, every second question was this, I'm going to find 75 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 4: out the gender of this baby. 76 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: Super Slouths are convinced that Sarah's Day is expecting a 77 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: baby boy. The Finnest influencer uploaded a pregnancy Q and 78 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: a to YouTube where she revealed they already know the 79 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: gender of the baby. She said it was the most 80 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: popular question that she'd received, and explained they found out 81 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: the baby's gender at around twelve weeks. 82 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: Here's what she said. 83 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 4: We did the NIPT test and I do have a 84 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 4: video of that. I just need to get around to 85 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 4: posting it and announcing the gender of our baby. But 86 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 4: it was really funny and random how it like came out. 87 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 4: Our friends got involved and it just became really spontaneous 88 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 4: and we were really impatient. Anyway, that video is coming, so, yes, 89 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 4: we know the gender of our baby. 90 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: As soon as I heard that she knew the gender 91 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: of the baby, I started listening very intently because she 92 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: has been very open about wanting a girl, and I 93 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: feel like she would make it quite obvious what she's having. 94 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: It would be hard to cover up during the Q 95 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: and A when you know what it is. 96 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: Especially because there can be gender disappointment when you have 97 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: been going on that. 98 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: You're desperate for a girl, that your kids want a girl. 99 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: It'd be difficult for her to film that knowing potentially 100 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: she's having a boy. Yeah. Well, because she came out 101 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago and said that her eldest 102 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: son Fox, was praying for a sister, so everyone knows 103 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: deep down she wants a girl. And she even uploated 104 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: a YouTube video entitled they Want a Sister. So it's 105 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: been no secret. Yeah, so I wasn't really surprising when 106 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,559 Speaker 1: one of her followers wrote in saying, did you try 107 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: and sway the gender in. 108 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: Favor of a girl? Here's what she. 109 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 4: Said, Honestly, No, before we conceived this baby, when I 110 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 4: was praying about it, I felt an overwhelming sense of 111 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 4: peace that whatever we get is meant for our family, 112 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 4: and I truly believe that. I just am praying for 113 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 4: a healthy pregnancy, a healthy baby after Malachi and everything 114 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 4: that happened with that pregnancy. I truly just want a 115 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 4: healthy baby and to like fly under the radar with 116 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 4: this pregnancy, because with both previous pregnancies, I've had different 117 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 4: issues arise that have made me high risk, or I've 118 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 4: had extra care and extra scans, and I just really 119 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 4: want a healthy baby. And whatever we're meant to have, 120 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 4: we are going to have in this family, and we're 121 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 4: going to love our baby, whether it's a girl or 122 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 4: a boy. So no, we didn't try to sway it, 123 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 4: and I honestly feel like we got what we're meant 124 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 4: to have. 125 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: I actually have a friend who she had two sons 126 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: and then they really wanted a girl and they actually 127 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: did try all of these different methods to get a. 128 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: Girl and it worked. Wow. What kind of methods? 129 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's to do with the Chinese moon 130 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: calendar or something. 131 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 2: And when you have sex. 132 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: I have heard there's different positions that you're more likely 133 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: to have a girl in. But yeah, I think there's 134 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: all these little wives tales of different ways that you 135 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: can have a girl. What's fifty to fifty? 136 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, now my ears. 137 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: Did prick up when Sarah said, I feel like we've 138 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: got what we're meant to have. And this is because 139 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: even before she had Fox, she would go on that 140 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: she knew she was destined to be a boy mum 141 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: and have three sons. And super Sluss also picked up 142 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: in the comment section that there were a few slips 143 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: of the tongue throughout the video. 144 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: So when talking. 145 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: About ovulating, Sarah said, when I got the same feeling 146 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: that I got with my other boy, so the emphasis 147 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: was on other boys inferring maybe this is a boy. 148 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: See, I'm not convinced. 149 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: I think that she is purposely trying to create confusion 150 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: for engagement because apparently on one of Sarah's Instagram posts 151 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: about her pregnancy, she included three blue love hearts. She 152 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: then edited the caption, well, that backs up what I 153 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: was saying. But then if you let me finish, She's 154 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: also been liking comments on Instagram. Are people saying things 155 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: like they hope she's having a girl or they think 156 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: that she's having a girl. So I think she's purposely 157 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: trying to create some conversations around it. Am I the 158 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: only person who doesn't care what gender she's having? I 159 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: just I can't stand this, the huge fuss that people 160 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: make over the gender. You're either going to get one 161 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: or the other, and you're just less to have a 162 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: baby that is healthy. I totally get that, But I 163 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: am heavily invested on the gender of this baby because 164 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: she has been prefacing that she wants a baby girl. 165 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: She's been using that to clickbait a lot of her 166 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: YouTube videos, So I think it will be quite interesting 167 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: to see how they react as a family. Well do 168 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: you think she is going to do a gender reveal? Well? 169 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, she said. 170 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: It was actually really random the way it all came together, 171 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: and it sounds like they've done something with their friends 172 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: and family and they have filmed it. It is filmed, 173 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: she just needs to edit it. So I think that 174 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: we will be potentially getting this video in the next 175 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. That kind of makes sense why she's 176 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: trying to sway people one way and then suddenly going 177 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: the other way. 178 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 5: Yeah. 179 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm actually so interested to see how she reacts to 180 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: the gender announcement because there's a lot of pressure on 181 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: her She's come out and said that she wants a girl, 182 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,559 Speaker 1: So if it comes out that she is having a boy, 183 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: is she going to act disappointed? I think there should 184 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: be room to be disappointed and be in those feelings, though, 185 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: which is why I think it is dangerous for people 186 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: to film these gender reveals. And I think that there's 187 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with having that slight moment of perhaps we 188 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: hoped for this and we got that, and it changes 189 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: our way of what we thought our family would be. 190 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: But the uncomfortable thing is putting it out to people 191 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: and letting people see that reaction. So can you imagine 192 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: being the kid and seeing the gender of it later 193 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: on and the mother's face dropping. Yeah. Well, that's why 194 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if it is a girl, because I don't 195 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: think she would want to make a big deal about 196 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: it if she was having a third boy, because people 197 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: will know that there is an element of disappointment there. 198 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: The thing is, Sarah knows that this is her last pregnancy. 199 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: She said in this video that pregnancy content is her 200 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: favorite type of content to share, So I think that 201 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: she will be getting around a lot of the trends 202 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: that we're seeing at the moment and she will be 203 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: dropping a lot of clues. One of those clues, which 204 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: I think will come after the gender announcement, is the 205 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: baby's name. She did say that now that it is 206 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: her last pregnancy, she said that now she'll be able 207 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: to share a lot of the names that they like 208 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: as a couple, but they haven't chosen. Oh that is 209 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: such a trend on TikTok at the moment I saw 210 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: m Davies did a piss take of it, and people 211 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: thought that she and really really like these names when 212 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: she didn't. What's interesting this time is that she is 213 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: sixteen weeks pregnant, but they haven't decided on a name. 214 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: With Fox, they always knew he was going to be 215 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: called Fox. 216 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: Malachi's name apparently came to her in a dream, and 217 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: she's hoping that this time around, the baby's name also 218 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: comes to her in a dream. She did say that 219 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: she has a genre of names that she likes, but 220 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: nothing is set in stone yet. Can we throw around 221 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: some names that we think she's going to call the baby, 222 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: because this year we did do a twenty twenty four 223 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: prediction of what was going to happen in the influence 224 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: as well. See I think it's too hard before we 225 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: know the gender. I don't feel confident putting out a 226 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: name before and off. This is a boy or girl, 227 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: but it's obviously going to be something unusual. It's not 228 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: going to be you know, Tom Dick or Harry. It's 229 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: going to be a weird name. 230 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: Why I was so white and Fox nah. 231 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: I did see a rumor that she liked the name 232 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: Bamby for a girl. I don't think she's going to 233 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: do it because of Indy Clinton and also Molly May. However, 234 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: I think it could be on an animal theme because 235 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: you've got Fox. While Malachi means angel, they actually call 236 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: him a lots and he apparently likes cows, so I'm 237 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: thinking it could be some sort of barnyard animal feel. 238 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: This is random, but do you think it could be 239 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: something like Bluey? I know that Fox loves bluey, and 240 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: just putting out that, you're saying a color amy Bluey 241 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: would be a very popular name because of that show. 242 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: I've never heard anyone call their child Bluey. Had she 243 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: had the baby few years ago, it might have been 244 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: called Beije. We've got Fox, mooie and Bluey kind of goes. 245 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: It's not gonna be blue. It would be blue, something 246 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: like blue ivy. 247 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I'm sick of it. 248 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 5: I'm thinking it. 249 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: I'm sick of it. 250 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 6: I'm sick of it. 251 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley says she's embarrassed to be called an influencer. 252 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: The winner of I'm a Celeb shared and honest rant 253 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: on her Instagram story, declaring dealing with influencers has made 254 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: her lose faith in humanity and this is why everyone 255 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: loves Sky Wheatley. She's come out and said that most 256 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: influencers are stuck up, entitled, rude, inconsiderate, and only care 257 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: about two things money and fame. She also said that 258 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: she's always he's the first person to support others in 259 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: the industry, but over time, when you never receive the 260 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: love or support back, you lose faith in humanity. She 261 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: finished up by saying people in the industry are so 262 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: rude and selfish it frustrates the hell out of me. 263 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: I want to call people out so badly, but I 264 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 1: won't because I have a brand to uphold and I'm 265 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: passionate about being a kind and beautiful person. Unfortunately, not 266 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: many people in the industry give a flying fuck about that, 267 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: so I refuse to beat one of them. She then 268 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: teas that she had more dirt, writing, don't even get 269 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: me started on the people that have used me. Also, 270 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: that's the story for a different time. I would love 271 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,359 Speaker 1: Sky to spill the tea further. Who are the influencers 272 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: she's referring to. I'm assuming this has something to do 273 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: with her apparel line, Good People Apparel. Yeah, because she 274 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: has spoken out on a lot of podcasts about how 275 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: she gets frustrated because she will gift influences her tracksuits 276 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: and they'll never post about it. And she's made the 277 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: effort now that if ever she gets sent something, she'll 278 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: at least do a flat lay or post about it 279 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: on her Instagram story. Did you see recently she got 280 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 1: sent some Kasha pajamas and she has no idea who 281 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: Sophie Kaisha was. Clearly something has happened. I do have 282 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: to give it to her. This time around, though, she 283 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: was much more reserved, so she actually typed out the 284 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: rant rather than going rogue and speaking on camera. 285 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: I miss rogue, Sky Wheler. 286 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: She she did appear briefly on camera after the story, 287 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: and I got really excited thinking that she was going 288 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: to name in shame, but her partner Lockie told her 289 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: not to open up a can of worms. 290 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: Let's throw to some of what they said. 291 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 6: So, dog, how are people in your industry? How do 292 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 6: you find them? 293 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 7: Oh? 294 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: Well, I still deal with human being and stuff. 295 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, human beings are just look you deal with. 296 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, human beings though, I have always been imperfect. You know, 297 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 6: they've always been a bit dodgy, They've always been hard 298 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 6: to trust. You should just stop where Joe, she just don't. 299 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 5: Open account when I was no, I'm sick of it. 300 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: I'm thinking of it. 301 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 6: I'm sick of it. 302 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: I'm sick of it. 303 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 6: I just I just don't know. 304 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 2: It's so hard to be filed. 305 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 6: I don't know. In simple words, people just absolutely grind, 306 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 6: grind my years. 307 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: It's clear that she is trying to think about this 308 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: more strategically and not just put out a rant that 309 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: she can't control. Because she has got so much good 310 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: pr out of winning that competition. She's more in the 311 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: mainstream now, so she does have to be careful about 312 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: how she's going to react to things like these. I'm 313 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: wondering if there's a little bit of jealousy going on 314 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: in the influence as well, because Sky has got such 315 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: great publicity Sophie, as you said, out of appearing on 316 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: this show, maybe they don't want to share it and 317 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: help her out any further. Well, she did mention tall 318 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: poppy syndrome in her rant, and I do think that 319 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: she was probably under the impression that winning the title 320 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: of Queen of the Jungle would get her more cred 321 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: amongst the influencers. However, it doesn't seem to have happened. 322 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: It is interesting because I do agree with you. I 323 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: think it must have something to do with her apparel line. 324 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: But she isn't shy in calling influencers out. She was 325 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: very public with her relationship breakdown with Michael Finch, and 326 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: if you do think back to when she first started 327 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 1: posting on YouTube, it's always seemed like she's a. 328 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: Little bit out on the outer. So when she was. 329 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: Friends with Shanie Grimman and Michael Finch and Lily Brown, 330 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: it always felt like she was really fighting to be 331 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: in that group, but never. 332 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: Quite cracked it. 333 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: I also think she likes being one of the people, 334 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: so I think that she knows that her audience are 335 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: going to respond well to her calling influences out, and 336 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: it sort of disconnects herself from that crowd of people. 337 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: A bit more, she would have an audience predominantly made 338 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: up of mums. I would assume who would enjoy her 339 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: having her say Well, I think she now sees herself 340 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: as a reality TV star, and I think that has 341 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: always been a little bit of a difference between her. 342 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: She made it big on Bie Brother, She's now one 343 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: another massive TV show, So she really is in a 344 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: different genre of influencer. 345 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 5: Now, okay, so does anyone know who the influencers were 346 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 5: that attended Australian Fashion Week this week and left before 347 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 5: the Beck and Bridge show. This in no way, shape 348 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 5: or form effects my life at all, However, I just 349 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 5: need to know. I need to know. I need to know. 350 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: Influencers descended on Australian Fashion Week in their droves last week, 351 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: desperate to get snapped at the invite only event. While 352 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: the iconic Sydney fashion event dominated social media feeds, the 353 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: influencers in attendance were slammed online for ruining the event 354 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: and lacking diversity. Now, to put this commentary into perspective, 355 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: I think it is important to discuss the difference between 356 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: Australian Fashion Week and Melbourne Fashion Week. 357 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: Kate yeah, as you touched on. 358 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: So if Australian Fashion Week is an invite only industry 359 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: event and the purpose of the event is for designers 360 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: to showcase collections that are not yet available to the 361 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: general public, so journalists, influencers, content creators, buyers and stylists 362 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: are invited to get an inside into what is available 363 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: later in the year so they can begin planning campaigns 364 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: and what they want to stock in store. Now, there 365 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: are just two shows during Australian Fashion Week that you 366 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: can purchase tickets too. And on the other hand, Melbourne 367 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: Fashion Week is a consumer event that is ticketed and 368 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: it showcases fashion that is available for purchase in store, 369 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: so they really push you to shop the runway and 370 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: have real time purchases. So for this reason, the invite 371 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: list for Australian Fashion Week is being heavily scrutinized, particularly 372 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: off the back of reports that some influencers just turned 373 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: up to be photographed and left. 374 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: The show before they started. 375 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: I did see quite a few micro influencers sneaking to 376 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: the front row once the events were finished and snapping 377 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: photos there just so that it could look like that 378 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: that's where they're. 379 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: Invited to sit. 380 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: There's just so much smoke and mirrors when it comes 381 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: to this event. Well, this week, Kate, you shed some 382 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: photos of some influences at Australian Fashion Week, and as 383 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: I was scanning through, I was like, all of the 384 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: influencers look the same. They were all. 385 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: Blonde, skinny. There was really no diversity. 386 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, there wasn't a lot of diversity going on. It 387 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: was all the people that you would expect to be 388 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: at this event. So there were either people who were 389 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: Instagram models or those who have started their own fashion brand. 390 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: I was interested to see who Paul Fosaci invited to 391 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: his event, so he hosted a pre Australian Fashion Week 392 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: party at Chinchin and he actually dressed ten women for 393 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: the Carlos and Patti show and it was just all 394 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: the people that you used to seeing on his Instagram account. 395 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: A lot of them do look quite similar. So you 396 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: had Olivia Rodgers, Shani Grimman, Hannah dal Sasso, Analie Dallions, 397 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: Francesca Hung and Tiagan Martin to name a few. And 398 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: at Fashion Week itself there was the usual crowd, so 399 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: we saw Sammy Robinson there, Sophia Beg, Tammy Hembro, Jade Tunci, 400 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: Raley Hempsen, Madison Woolly, Bella Valares, the Meskia Twins, and 401 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: also Morgan Waterhouse. I couldn't believe some of the Instagram 402 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 1: stories that Morgan were sharing at the event. At one stage, 403 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: he got one of his friends to film him doing 404 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: a bit of a catwalk. He wasn't on the catwalk, 405 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: but he was parading around. He then had a paper 406 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: bag that was almost larger than him and was strutting 407 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: around with that. It was literally the definition of a 408 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: walking ig. I do wonder if Olivia saw him at 409 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: the event and thought, bloody hell, I have dodged a bullet. Wait, wait, 410 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: a bigger ick than shitting yourself in your car on 411 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: the way to a podcast reporting. 412 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 2: I actually think it. 413 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: Was worse because at least at least Matt couldn't help 414 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: being unwell like in this instant, this is a choice 415 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: that you've made. It would have been hard for Olivia 416 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: to miss him with that big bag walking around. Now 417 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: back to the lack of diversity. Culture writer and slow 418 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: fashion advocate Maggie Zoo shared her frustration on TikTok. So 419 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 1: you might recognize Maggie as she actually wore this really 420 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: cool stacked skirt look at Australian Fashion Week. They've got 421 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: a lot of traction online now. She said that the 422 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: lack of diversity has always been obvious on the runway, 423 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: but this year it was clear in the streets style. 424 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: Let's wrote with some of what she said. 425 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 8: I remember last year there was a bit of controversy 426 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 8: on TikTok, people rightfully calling out the fact that a 427 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 8: lot of POC or plus sized creators don't really get snapped. Well. 428 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 8: This year, I feel like the street style for a 429 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 8: lot of media publications are just really leaning heavily into 430 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 8: like the model of Judy look right. Street style doesn't 431 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 8: seem to be about the style as much rather than 432 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 8: oh it's a hot person who photographs. 433 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: Well, the number of. 434 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 8: Galleries I've opened up and this is from a variety 435 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 8: of publications, so definitely not just calling it one in 436 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 8: particular that are just very simple, very acy outfits. Again, 437 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 8: I don't mean to say that outfits need to be 438 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 8: extravagant or anything, but it's like it's blatantly obvious that 439 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 8: some people would photographed because they were thin and pretty 440 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 8: and more often than not, why the images that are 441 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 8: coming out like are feeling reminiscent of like twenty fourteen 442 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 8: Tumbler Day, and it's just like we are going backwards. 443 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: Maggie then went on to say there isn't a deficit 444 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: of people of color and plus sized creators in the industry. 445 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: They just need the opportunity to be shown. I tend 446 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: to agree with Maggie because a lot of the influencers 447 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: I saw photographed were wearing quite basic outfits in the 448 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: scheme of Australian Fashion Week. A bunch of them had 449 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: been dressed by fast fashion brands like Glass, and so 450 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: it was clear that they were only in these photos 451 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: because they were perceivably hot. So your analysis just reminds 452 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: me of all those tiktoks where people said they were 453 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: watching the met Gala just judging everyone's outfit while they 454 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: were just dressed in like trash clothes. Well, comedian and 455 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: fashion icon Ben Blue, who has over fourmulion TikTok followers, 456 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: actually declared that Instagram models are ruining Australian Fashion Week. 457 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: So he explained that the main reason he likes attending 458 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: the event is seeing all the crazy outfits and experimental fashion. 459 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: He then said this and then there's. 460 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: The Instagram models, not specifically Instagram, because they're also on 461 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 3: TikTok as well, but these are the coming and wearing 462 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 3: like White Fox Boutique, Beginning boutique, which is fine if 463 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 3: you want to wear that, But what gets me is 464 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 3: how they treat the people that are wearing fun fashion. 465 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: Ben then went on to say that while he was 466 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: being photographed wearing a floral dress from Rachel Burke, he 467 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: noticed a bunch of Instagram models wearing what he said 468 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: were basic outfits, looking disapprovingly at him. He then said this, 469 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: I can't. 470 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 3: Tell if they're just jealous because the photographers are focusing 471 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 3: on me and not them, or if they just didn't 472 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 3: like what I was wearing, which is fine because fashion 473 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 3: is subjective. But they parade around fashion Week as if 474 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 3: they are the top, as if they own it, and 475 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 3: making fun of the people that are actually wearing fun outfits. 476 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 3: And it wasn't even just me that they were making 477 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: fun of like I saw, it happened to multiple people. 478 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 3: Like to be honest, there's probably just like a lot 479 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 3: of ego concentrated into the one section, But how dare 480 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 3: you come to fashion week and act that way? Towards 481 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 3: people that are wearing actually fun fashion. Australian Fashion Week 482 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 3: is for fashion, not for your ego. 483 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: I think that's so sad, because Australian Fashion Week is 484 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: somewhere where you should feel comfortable to express yourself in 485 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: your clothes and have a bit of fun. I do 486 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: enjoy the fact that TikTok keeps providing us with the 487 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: goods from behind the scenes all with the influencer drama 488 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: at fashion week, because stylist Jamie Lee shared a video 489 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: that is gaining a lot of traction about what is 490 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: really like behind the scenes at some of the runway shows. 491 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 2: So in the TikTok she shared that she saw two. 492 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: Influencers taking photos of themselves on the runway before the 493 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: Beck and Bridge show. Then apparently they returned to their 494 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: seats and said, okay, should we go. 495 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 2: And get dinner. 496 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: Now let's throw to more of what Jamie said. 497 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 7: So, it is such a huge privilege to even get 498 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 7: to be invited to one of these shows during fashion week. 499 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 7: There are capacity limits on the venues and there are 500 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 7: only so many people who get to go, and of 501 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 7: course that means that there are plenty of people who 502 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 7: want to go who do not get to attend. So, 503 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 7: like I said, it is a huge privilege to actually 504 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 7: even get invited to the show and to be able 505 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 7: to see the designer's new collection, to be able to 506 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 7: support their and it's also a great opportunity to get 507 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 7: a sense of the trains that are going to be 508 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 7: coming up a knee fashion landscape where you live. So 509 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 7: the fact that these girls weren't even bothered to see 510 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 7: the show, that they just wanted to be there, take 511 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 7: the photo so that they could post it on social media, 512 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 7: and then leave, I just feel like that was so 513 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 7: so disrespectful. 514 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: Jamie Lee finished up saying that she'd never seen the 515 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: girls before and wasn't sure who they were, but was. 516 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 2: Absolutely gobsmacked by what she saw. 517 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: I have been loving the commentary on TikTok because people 518 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: have made videos off the back of this being like 519 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: who is it? 520 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 2: I need to know? 521 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: Like does anyone know? And people have been putting guesses down, 522 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: but there has not been any confirmation of who those 523 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: two influencers were. While I don't think that that's appropriate 524 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: behavior for an event like this where it is invite only, 525 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: I can understand sometimes when you're invited to something you 526 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to go to and you know the 527 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: option of going out to dinner afterwards is like eluse 528 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: if you're like, let's get the fuck out of here, 529 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: let's snap a photo. Yeah, how pissed off would you 530 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: be if you're the brand and you've given these influences 531 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: the tickets and all that. It's kind of like cheating 532 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: on a school assignment. They've just gone and taken the photo, 533 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: but they haven't actually sat there and watch. It shows 534 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: how fake the whole world is because you look at 535 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: it and think, wow, they must be having the time 536 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: of their lives at this event. But it really it's 537 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: all about they're all sitting on their phones editing photos 538 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: of themselves, not actually engage in anything that's going. We 539 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: just wanted to show off that they're there, but then 540 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: not actually sit there and consume the content. Yeah, the 541 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: thing is should we be blaming the influencers or the 542 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: people that invited them? Because PR teams need to take notice. 543 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: So hopefully Beckenbridge's PR team have noted down who it 544 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: was that did this and they are not going to 545 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: be on the invite list again. What do they have 546 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: to do next time? 547 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 5: Though? 548 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: You know, like how officers are tracking people working from 549 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: home by scheduling in zoom meetings. Do they need to 550 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: schedule in something after the runway show? 551 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 2: They're probably just happy. 552 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: That they shared about their event, because at the end 553 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: of the day, if these two influencers came along and 554 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 1: they were glued to the show, and you know, they 555 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: stayed and spoke to everyone, but didn't put up a post, 556 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: they'd be in more trouble. Well, maybe they need to 557 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: serve food at the event. 558 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: It sounds like a lot of people were hungry. Maybe 559 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 2: everyone's angry and angry. 560 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: Do you think this is just a reflection of what 561 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 1: fashion Week has turned into? Well an event for posers. 562 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: I think it's always been that, to be fair, but 563 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: I think what's happening now is that the space is 564 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: being infiltrated by influencers who perhaps are too young to 565 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: be appreciative and respect those who have been in the 566 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: industry who are out there showcasing amazing outfits. Kind of 567 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: the discussion we've had recently so with some of our 568 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: clients about events. You need to have an equal amount 569 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: of influencers there and also industry folk and also journalists, 570 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: because what a lot of our clients have found is 571 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: they will hold events and the feedback is that no 572 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: one really wants to talk to the influencers because they 573 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: don't really give people much. Well, it's not even that 574 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: they don't want to talk to them, it's that a 575 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 1: lot of the influencer groups are very clicky and I 576 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: think it comes probably with the job, because if you 577 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: think about the job of an influencer, you're at home 578 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: obsessing over yourself. Well, I say that in the sense 579 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: of your bloating content about yourself. 580 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 2: It's very insular. 581 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: Maybe they don't have the skills necessarily to be confident 582 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: to speak to people outside of their circles. Now, while 583 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: it seemed like every influencer and their dog was invited 584 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: to Australian Fashion Week, there was a select group who 585 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: were allegedly barred from attending. So a source told The 586 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: Daily Mail Australia that controversial couple Tory Adams and Jack 587 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: Dunkley were among the blacklisted maths contestants. So a source 588 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: was quoted as saying, the designers want nothing to do 589 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: with fame hungry maths stars. They're desperate to be seen 590 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: at fashion week now. Other blacklisted stars included Ben Walters, 591 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: Ellie Dix, Jonathan mcloy and Collins Christian. That follows on 592 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: from the logies banning Maths contestants as well. Well, I 593 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: can kind of see why because they're already copying flak 594 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: from fting all of these Instagram models and you don't 595 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: need these reality stars causing drama as well. A lot 596 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: of people said you just did it for clicks. 597 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 9: Well, I have a YouTube chat cool peers Morgan on 598 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 9: certain said, and I want people to click on it. Yeah, 599 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 9: shock horror. 600 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: The real life woman who inspired the hit Netflix show 601 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: Baby Reindeer is now demanding one point twenty five million 602 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: pounds from Piers Morgan. Fiona Harvey says she was offered 603 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: just two hundred and fifty pounds for her exclusive interview, 604 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: which aired on Piers Morgan's YouTube channel and has since 605 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: wrapped up more than eleven million views. Now, I noticed 606 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: that you said she was offered two hundred and fifty pounds. 607 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: Does that mean she was eventually paid it after the interview? Well, 608 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: she told The Daily Record that she turned down the 609 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: cash offer and is now instead seeking over a million 610 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: pounds in payment. 611 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: I don't think you can do that once you've done 612 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 2: the interview. Bargaining is done before you sit down and 613 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 2: do the interview. I've decided that that interview. 614 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: Is actually worth a million pounds now or she gave 615 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: the quote saying they offered me two hundred and fifty pounds, 616 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: and I asked if that was what they paid everyone, 617 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: and if so, I wanted to see documentation to that effect. 618 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: The documentation has not been forthcoming. I have not signed 619 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: a contract for the interview, and I'll be seeking far 620 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: more than appeidly two hundred and fifty pounds. I'd settle 621 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: for a million dollars. 622 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 2: Wait a second, isn't she a lawyer? 623 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: Shouldn't she realize that if she has no contract with 624 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: the network, there's no way she's going to now suddenly 625 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: get paid a million after the work's been done. 626 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've already done the interview. 627 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: You can't negotiate after you've done what they wanted you 628 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: to do. Now. Peers recently did appear on British morning 629 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: show Lorraine and said this about Fiona's demands. 630 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 2: What was she like? 631 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, behaved the scenes when she came in, 632 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: and you know she wants some million pains off you 633 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: I do exactly happened. 634 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 9: No, she's not going to get a she what she 635 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 9: wants is an agent. But actually gave it the same 636 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 9: amount we give, I say, ninety five percent of all 637 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 9: our guests, and we don't discuss terms. But we paid 638 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 9: for it to have a nice haircut and shower and 639 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 9: everything else. I think we've performed our duty of care. 640 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 9: We stayed in touch with her since, and she's given 641 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 9: some lively provocative interviews. But when she came to the studio, 642 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 9: she was actually relatively normal. I didn't get any sign 643 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 9: of somebody who I thought was mentally unwet. 644 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: It's pretty funny because Pearce has actually had to come 645 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: out and clarify that he wasn't really aware of how 646 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: big Baby Reindeer was and had to be persuaded to 647 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,959 Speaker 1: have Fiona on the show in the first place. Do 648 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: you think that's correct, because he's coppying a lot. 649 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: Of flak for allowing her to be on his show. 650 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: Is this his way of backtracking and being like, oh, 651 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: I had no idea. It's not his way of backtracking. 652 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: I think he was just one of those people who 653 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: hadn't happened to have watched the show. Yet because he 654 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: said that he is so relieved that his staff talked 655 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: him into it, because it is the biggest thing he's 656 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: ever been involved in. And maybe that's why initially he 657 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: didn't offer her a huge amount of money, because maybe 658 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: he didn't realize how big it was for him to 659 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: get her on the show. But he's not the one 660 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: that would be dealing with the negotiations. The whole team 661 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: would have negotiated with her, and they clearly have struck 662 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: up a pretty good deal for them, only having paid 663 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: her two hundred and fifty pounds. 664 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 2: See. 665 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: I think that this is a whole lot of shit, 666 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: and he definitely knew who he was dealing with and 667 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: that they worked really hard to persuade her to get 668 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: her on the show. 669 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: It's a massive win for them. I just feel. 670 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: Uncomfortable that she is now demanding this money and I 671 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: don't think it makes her look any better in the 672 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: grand scheme of things. Well, she it wasn't really looking 673 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: very good off the back of the interview. I think 674 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: this is only continue to discredit her and make her 675 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: look very money hungry, particularly because she is suing for defamation. 676 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: But is it just to get more attention? Is this 677 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: just to create more headlines, because anybody would look at 678 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: that and go, you obviously are not entitled to a 679 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: million pounds. It just seems ridiculous. 680 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,239 Speaker 2: I just think her story doesn't add up. 681 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: It seems like she really is using this Martha character 682 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: to her advantage, which really goes against the whole lawsuit 683 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: for saying, oh, I've been defained because you are now 684 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,239 Speaker 1: trying to make all this money out of it. 685 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's what's probably happened. 686 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: That she's had people reach out to her and say, 687 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: do you realize how much money you could have made 688 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: off that interview? 689 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 2: And you've just screwed yourself. 690 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: Over Since the interview, as we touched on last week, 691 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people been putting memes out saying that 692 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: Peers better watch his back because Fiona's after him. Next 693 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: he was quizzed on The Morning Show about whether he 694 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: was fearful of that scenario playing out. 695 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: Here's what he said. 696 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 9: I've interviewed serial killers, psychopaths, I've interviewed people you know, 697 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 9: have done terrible things that She's not one of those. 698 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 9: So I've had fast, scarier environments which I've interviewed people. 699 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 9: I felt it was important that she'd be allowed to 700 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 9: have her say because she'd already been revealed by the 701 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 9: media as the real life Master, but she had no 702 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 9: ability to tell her story. 703 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: Peers has been playing quite well in the media because 704 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: you can see he's trying to push the agenda that one, 705 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, they were did the right thing in providing 706 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: her with a voice, and two saying that when she 707 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: came in she didn't appear to be mentally unwell. 708 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 2: You can see he's subtily. 709 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: Trying to push that rtord that they did the right thing. 710 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,239 Speaker 1: I really want to know when Richard god is going 711 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,959 Speaker 1: to break his silence about this interview. He was interviewed 712 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: before Fiona's exclusive was aired, and he was asked if 713 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: he'd be following how Fiona Harvey had been outed as 714 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: being the real life Martha. He did dodge the question, saying, 715 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: I can't confirm or deny anything relating to the real 716 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: life people who the characters are based on in the show. 717 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: I know for every single part there's been about five 718 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,239 Speaker 1: or six people who have been sort of named as 719 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: each part, even all the way down to the pub manager. 720 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 5: Now. 721 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: During that same interview, he also urged internet salutes to 722 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: stop looking for the show's real life counterparts. 723 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: He said. 724 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: If I wanted the real life people to be found, 725 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: I would have made it a documentary. He continued, saying, 726 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: I wanted the show to be. 727 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 2: Received as a piece of art. 728 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: It exists in a sort of fictional realm, even though 729 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: it's based on truth. 730 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 2: Let's enjoy the world that I've created. 731 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: But yet as advertised as a real story on Netflix. Well, 732 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: that is a confusing thing. Saying it's in a fictional realm. 733 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 2: Well, I think that's all we've got time for today. 734 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to another episode of Outspoken. 735 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: If you do want to hear more content from us, 736 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: we drop a subscriber episode every Thursday. All the details 737 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: to sign up are in our show notes. This podcast 738 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people 739 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to elders past 740 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: and present.