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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio for the week that was

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Speaker 1: from the COLP. We've got Marie Claire Boothby. Good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Good morning Katy, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: We've got Matt Cunningham from Sky News. He's made his return.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, matte Hey after your documentary, got

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Speaker 1: your own show on a Friday, very very busy, and

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Speaker 1: an award, oh yes, a Kennedy award earlier in the

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Speaker 1: week or last weekend for the phenomenal work that you do.

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Speaker 1: So we already embarrassed you a couple of times on Monday.

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Speaker 1: I know you don't like the recognition, Matt.

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Speaker 3: But we did it anyway.

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Speaker 1: Can very well deserved.

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Speaker 3: Good morn Yeah, he's embarrassed now. Kesier Puric as well

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Speaker 3: in here this morning.

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Speaker 1: The Independent Morny Bush People. And we've also got Brent Potter,

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Speaker 1: of course from the Labor Party.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Brent.

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Speaker 4: Morning Katy, Good morning listeners, and congratulations to parents. Have

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Speaker 4: got costumes done for book week?

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, Brent, we were expecting you to turn up

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Speaker 1: as where as Wally. As we are told that you

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Speaker 1: were dressed as at the crossing this morning in Paraz.

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Speaker 5: I was and I might end up getting it back

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Speaker 5: on later. On the same time, I.

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Speaker 6: Thought we should also congratulate the children who got dressed

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Speaker 6: up a book week with no assistance from their parents.

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Speaker 2: Like mad n.

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Speaker 3: Growing up and my ten year old.

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Speaker 6: Daughter basically keeps our household on track. Without there, we'd

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Speaker 6: all be stuff.

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Speaker 3: Good to have an organized child, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Now, unfortunately, we are hearing reports that there is some

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Speaker 1: kind of incident that's happened in the rural area overnight.

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Speaker 1: The details at this stage are scanned, but we understand

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Speaker 1: that there was a car that's being driven around, possible crossbows, machetes.

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Speaker 1: We are just police as we understand that the police

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Speaker 1: may have apprehended those people, but we are doing our

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Speaker 1: best to get some further information. Crystal Gordon, my producer,

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Speaker 1: working furiously out there to get those details very shortly.

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Speaker 1: But well, it's been a massive week and we know

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Speaker 1: that yesterday Michael Murphy was appointed as the new Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Police Commissioner and CEO of Fire and Emergency Services.

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Speaker 1: He's going to join us on the show this morning

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Speaker 1: just after ten thirty. But he joined the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Police Force back in nineteen ninety seven. He served in

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Speaker 1: a variety of urban and remote locations across the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory and Look, I have been told by people within

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Speaker 1: the force over the last couple of months that since

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Speaker 1: he's been acting in that role, it has been like

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Speaker 1: a dark cloud has lifted off the police force. That

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Speaker 1: people are happy with that leadership approach, they are happy

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Speaker 1: with the changes that are being made.

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Speaker 3: I guess only time will tell.

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Speaker 1: Everybody enters these jobs with the very best of intentions,

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Speaker 1: but we know that we are a place that's well grippled.

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Speaker 3: Grippling, however you say it.

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Speaker 1: Crippled, I should say, is the word that I'm looking for,

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Speaker 1: grapling or.

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Speaker 3: Crippled together if you want to, That's what I was doing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're having real issues with crime.

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Speaker 5: You graduate, Everyone's looking at me, so I'll go first.

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Speaker 5: Normally I got at the end. But anothers in congratulations

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Speaker 5: to Michael. He is a very deserving recipient.

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Speaker 4: I think that the force has gone through a period

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Speaker 4: stuff during COVID. I think some stability with someone who

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Speaker 5: And Look, forward to working with him going forward.

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Speaker 6: I think he's probably the right man for the time, Katie.

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Speaker 6: Knowing Michael Murphy and the sort of fellow he is,

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Speaker 6: I mean, the biggest problem police have at the moment

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Speaker 6: And I just think Michael Murphy's personality. You know, he's

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Speaker 7: We absolutely welcome him as well to that role, and

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Speaker 7: he really does have a very tough job ahead of him.

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Speaker 8: I spoke to you the other day, Katie about the

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Speaker 8: you know, And that's why I think he'll be successful.

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Speaker 8: Like you said, mate, he'll be the right person at

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Speaker 8: It's just you put that person in at the right

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Speaker 1: Very often they are there right at the end dealing

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Speaker 3: Particularly in places like Alice Springs.

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Speaker 1: Where we do need to make sure that they're working

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Speaker 3: But this review is going to get underway.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be it's going to be lead by

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Speaker 1: Now we did get that commitment from Kate Warden on

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Speaker 3: Look, I really hope that.

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Speaker 1: We're able to get some of the answers that we

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Speaker 1: about ten years.

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Speaker 8: I think I think that's right.

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Speaker 5: Was Alvan review ten years?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, at least at least we've finally got a

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Speaker 8: We're going to have this review. Oh, we've got to

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Speaker 6: I think there needs to be some kind of independent

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Speaker 5: I don't know how much clearer we can be.

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Speaker 5: You might know something I don't know.

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Speaker 2: To come on here and I'll go back.

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Speaker 5: I'll go back to this and then we'll get onto

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Speaker 4: There will be an opportunity for people to put submissions

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Speaker 5: And ironically, yes, you do.

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Speaker 5: Committee independence and this is what we got. But back

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Speaker 3: Back to Flinny's comments.

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Speaker 5: He's absolutely entitled and right to say what he said.

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Speaker 4: He's representing his members, and you know it's disappointing he

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Speaker 5: Don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 8: Isn't that's not surprising the day before, not one hundred percent,

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Speaker 4: So Lips and let's go back to when we first

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Speaker 1: Hundred in terms of reference or the actual you know previous.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, I'm going to be really interested,

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Speaker 1: And you know, when you're trying to rebuild a relationship

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Speaker 7: So I'm not sure why at that particular conference did

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Speaker 5: That's nothing for politics.

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Speaker 4: But you literally would sit, you'd come straight out of

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Speaker 5: So we did.

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Speaker 3: Was it pushed through?

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Speaker 5: And and listen, you know you need to speak to

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Speaker 4: But I can absolutely tell you it wasn't us because

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Speaker 4: I don't know when they do their stuff right. I'm

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Speaker 5: Choice not how much longer? Brand well at least to

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Speaker 5: the next election.

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Speaker 5: Well, who's telling you that? Because I haven't heard it.

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Speaker 3: Two people, you.

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Speaker 5: Probably know something I didn't.

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Speaker 6: So it's true that the caucus is usually the last careful.

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Speaker 4: Flogging say I'm not getting promoted to cabinet and I'm

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Speaker 4: the member for Fanny Bay and I'll continue to.

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Speaker 3: Be the member for Well, look, we are going to

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Speaker 1: some updated information, we are now being told that a

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Speaker 1: Same group targeted an apartment complex in Kuoler Linga with

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Speaker 6: I just don't put it on Facebook because that would

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Speaker 8: It's criticism apprehending the vehicle, it's apprehending the the well

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Speaker 8: the police. And I know that whatever the squad is

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Speaker 8: They do a fabulous dog with those, Oh.

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Speaker 3: Daily they'll just.

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Speaker 4: Pick up a new commentary around the Chuldan's commissioner. I

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Speaker 4: Great work and I'd love to see more of it,

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Speaker 4: criticize the youth that them putting their stuff on TikTok

445
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Speaker 4: and mocking the victims, because I think it's a double

446
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Speaker 4: standing that needs to be called out. And to enter

447
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,880
Speaker 4: police and those guys right now and trying the Dog

448
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Speaker 4: Squad well done, and I hope to see the video

449
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Speaker 4: from I.

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Speaker 2: Can't believe that Brent and I actually agree on something.

451
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Speaker 7: Relationship, you know, to say that it's really hard to

452
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Speaker 7: watch that vision of criminals being apprehended. I mean, how

453
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Speaker 7: hard would it be for our hardworking police to actually

454
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Speaker 7: go through that every single day.

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Speaker 1: I had someone say to me, I'd like to sponsor

456
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Speaker 1: one of the dogs from the Dog Squad, like people

457
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Speaker 1: think that the dogs and the police that they're you know,

458
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Speaker 1: when they're actually doing this job that, let's be honest

459
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Speaker 1: about it, it's bloody dangerous as well. For the Northern

460
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Speaker 1: Territory Police, you're putting yourself in a dangerous situation by

461
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Speaker 1: having to chase a stolen vehicle.

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Speaker 3: But the irony is not lost on me either. That's right,

463
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Speaker 3: the irony is not lost on me either.

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Speaker 1: That we're in a situation where, you know, you've got

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Speaker 1: the National Children's Commissioner calling for this vision to be

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Speaker 1: taken down. Meanwhile you've got youths or adults who are

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Speaker 1: committing crime sharing it on TikTok, sharing it on Facebook,

468
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Speaker 1: and you know, sharing it on Instagram and not actually

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Speaker 1: even getting sort of further I don't even think that

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Speaker 1: they cop further trouble or what's the right word, punishment

471
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Speaker 1: when they are sharing stuff like this, when they're actually

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Speaker 1: doing the wrong thing and sharing.

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Speaker 8: It, Katie, I know that sadly, there's on Instagram in particular,

474
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Speaker 8: there's pages in regards to to mimm in college and

475
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Speaker 8: you know they call it to mimin fights, and I

476
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Speaker 8: reckon all the other high schools have probably got something similar,

477
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Speaker 8: whether it be palmessedon fightsol Sanderson fights or whatever, and

478
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Speaker 8: so it raises the question like how how does the

479
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Speaker 8: government work with those kind of businesses or national agencies

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Speaker 8: to get these pages taken down.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but something's got to happen here.

482
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 5: Censoring Sky News Award journalists.

483
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Speaker 7: Parents that have taken their devices off their children, like

484
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Speaker 7: for weeks and weeks on because you're right, they're watching

485
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 7: those awful videos. You know, they are encouraged to have

486
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Speaker 7: things like laptop devices and stuff at school, and of

487
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 7: course there's no phones in school, but it's all the

488
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Speaker 7: stuff that happens at recess, lunch and after school. And

489
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Speaker 7: these parents are wits end because they know that the

490
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Speaker 7: criminals that continue to put up all this footage and

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Speaker 7: it continues to be watched by our young people and

492
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Speaker 7: nothing happens to them.

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Speaker 4: I'm not aware if there is an aggravating factor that

494
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Speaker 4: adds to crimes.

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Speaker 1: The Police Association called for it this they did, que Well,

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Speaker 1: I reckon you should I actually reckon the Northern Queen.

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Speaker 4: That does need to yes added in recently some aggravating circumstances.

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Speaker 6: You guys, already the association we had they used to

499
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Speaker 6: know how long ago I wanted.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to speculate because I couldn't remember exactly

501
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Speaker 4: what the wording was, but I do believe that when

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Speaker 4: Queensland did it, we said we I think Kate said.

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Speaker 5: She'd have a look at it.

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Speaker 1: So from the Police Association conference, I'm just trying to

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Speaker 1: find the information from this week. So basically they had

506
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Speaker 1: actually said in there that they would like they're concerned

507
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Speaker 1: with the increased use of vehicles being driven in a

508
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Speaker 1: manner which weaponizes that vehicle, and also that this offending

509
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Speaker 1: should be included in a new presumption against bail. The

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Speaker 1: NTPA also wants to see new legislation which makes actions

511
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Speaker 1: such as posting videos of offending on social.

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Speaker 3: Media and aggravation.

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Speaker 1: I think you'd be hard pressed to find any everyday

514
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Speaker 1: territory and that disagrees.

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Speaker 3: With that, don't you reckon?

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Speaker 7: And we're preparing our ram raid legislation which we want

517
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Speaker 7: to see, which is in line with what the NTPA

518
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Speaker 7: is saying.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 7: There's no reason why the government can't get prepared the

521
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Speaker 7: social media legislation and get that up and running in August.

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Speaker 4: It can happen, turning every carr in a weapon I

523
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Speaker 4: just won't be very clear for your listeners, Katie, because

524
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Speaker 4: I know this comes up every time the CLP gets

525
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Speaker 4: in Parliament and will debate it next week. No doubt,

526
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Speaker 4: the cars being used in a dangerous manner we can

527
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Speaker 4: become an offensive weapon. And I actually watched this segment

528
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Speaker 4: from Territory Cops from a while back where that was

529
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Speaker 4: one of the crimes that they apprehended the individual. So

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Speaker 4: what we don't want to do is put a blanket

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Speaker 4: a blanket across every crime, because some things will need

532
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Speaker 4: to have their own flee into it.

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Speaker 5: I guess when they get before the courts has got

534
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Speaker 5: its own circumstances.

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Speaker 4: But at the moment, if you use a car for

536
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 4: that particular purpose, it could be classified as offensive weapon.

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean that we've got legislation regards to hooning.

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Speaker 8: You know, cars can get confiscated for a period of

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Speaker 8: time for court if they're court. So I don't see

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Speaker 8: is as a legislative problem or issue to amend whichever

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Speaker 8: the piece of legislation is to have it as an

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Speaker 8: aggravating or contributing factor to the crime.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you're dangerous driving, causing hid.

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Speaker 2: It's just a very simple thing.

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Speaker 7: But the message it sends for the community is that

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Speaker 7: you're willing to look at all your safety seriously. Yeah,

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00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 7: that's right because clearly by ordering it down and saying oh,

548
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 7: it's already there, it's already there. Well it mustn't be

549
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 7: there because we still have people doing it all the time,

550
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 7: just legislation which will.

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Speaker 5: Not have done.

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Speaker 1: Look, just while we're all just when we are talking

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Speaker 1: about parliament, we know that Parliament resumes next week. There

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Speaker 1: has something that we've spoken about throughout this week has

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Speaker 1: been the suspension of standing orders. First thing Tuesday morning

556
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Speaker 1: for the debate or four I should say, the petition

557
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: around Deckland Lavity and justice for Deckland Lavity to be debated.

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00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: The Government, as I understand it, has now written to

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Speaker 1: the COLP to say that those standing orders are going

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Speaker 1: to be suspended. So it is the first the first

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Speaker 1: thing that we'll be discussed on Tuesday morning at ten am.

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Speaker 1: Is it going to be discussed for longer than sixteen minutes?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I would say so.

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Speaker 4: Right. So I sat in the Parliamentary Acounts Communite, I

566
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Speaker 4: moved the motion to bring it before the House.

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Speaker 5: So that's all I think.

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Speaker 4: I text you and told you that when not keasy,

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Speaker 4: when Robin was here, and it is important for Territorians,

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Speaker 4: and we will debate it and it'll come before Parliament

571
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 4: first thing in the morning and listen if I get

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Speaker 4: If the opportunity is there for me to talk, I'll

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Speaker 4: absolutely talk on it, which would indicate that it has

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Speaker 4: to be longer than sixteen minutes. I've not seen the

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Speaker 4: letter that the Opposition have been provided, and I'm not

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Speaker 4: aware of any additional time that's been allocated, but I

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Speaker 4: know that it has been a discussion internally that we

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00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 4: want to do.

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Speaker 7: Just to be clear, the debate for a petition is

580
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Speaker 7: always sixteen minutes, unless, of course, you suspend sunding orders,

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Speaker 7: which the government can do.

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00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 2: They've made lots of changes to Parliament.

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Speaker 3: You can move to Suspenis past. We've got to agree

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Speaker 3: to it.

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00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: That's right, yes, and by.

586
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Speaker 3: The sounds of it they are that's based on that lease.

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00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 7: We are going to debate it at ten o'clock on Tuesday,

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Speaker 7: and I absolutely encourage all of the community to come

589
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Speaker 7: to Parliament House and listen to what that happens. What

590
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 7: we have had confirmed is the time of that. So

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00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 7: Natasha files up to being dragged, kicking and screaming to

592
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 7: actually tell everybody when it was going to be. Still

593
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 7: didn't commit to the time being extended. All she said,

594
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Speaker 7: and it's in writing, is it will be debated in full.

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00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 7: Now in full could mean full sixteen minute petition. So

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00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 7: we really need to tash a file to tell the

597
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 7: community that we are all going to have an opportunity

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00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 7: to speak.

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Speaker 2: If it's sixteen minutes, that's like two minutes each.

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Speaker 8: That's three minutes members each members allocated three minutes understanding.

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Speaker 2: All not possible.

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00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 7: I mean, you know that's all the labor members going

603
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 7: to have their say? Are the independence and all the

604
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 7: opposition going to be able to speak in full for

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00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 7: that debate?

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Speaker 4: Well, I've never been in there for a debate before.

607
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 4: What and I didn't realize it was three minutes and

608
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 4: that's that's pretty short to debate something is important to this.

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00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 4: I don't know what the time extension is going to be.

610
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 4: I haven't had that discussion with the chief or lead

611
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 4: of gament business. You guys have written to them. I

612
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 4: think that's a discussion back and forward. What I will say, though.

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00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 2: Can you go into bat for the community.

614
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 5: Like before the Parliament. I want to talk about it,

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00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 5: and I just made it very clear. I want to

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00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 5: be able to.

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00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 2: Stand than sixteen minutes.

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Speaker 5: Can we think if I want.

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00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 4: To be able to talk, it's going to be longer

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00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 4: than sixteen minutes. And I'll go and talk to my

621
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 4: colleagues and see where they like.

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00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: Can you can you go and fund a farm?

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00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 5: It's not box the inn here. I want to talk

624
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 5: on it.

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00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 8: I think I think it's I think it's it's been

626
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 8: curious from day one, this whole, not the death of

627
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 8: Declan and the sadness to his family or the tragedy

628
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 8: is that you can't tell me. And listeners out there

629
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 8: are smart enough to know. The Public Accounts Committee was

630
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 8: directed to bring it back into the parlor. I disagree

631
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 8: with you, Brent, are you in the no? But I

632
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 8: know how these things work. The three Labor members would

633
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 8: have got their directions from their caucuses to what they

634
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 8: were doing. It happened with the Labor Party, it happens

635
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 8: with the COLP. That aside, it's done now it's come

636
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 8: back into the parlent for debate, and that was the

637
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 8: standing orders. What happens when you change standing orders is

638
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 8: you don't always know the consequences like one two four

639
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 8: years down the road. So when we made the change

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00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 8: and made it sixteen minutes, I can't recall why it

641
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 8: was sixteen and three miles each, because it was probably

642
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 8: a petition to do with street crossing or something of

643
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 8: that nature. But it might be something that the Standing

644
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 8: Orders Committee now has to take back to give more

645
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 8: flexibility to that standing order, such that if there is

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00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 8: a request by members of the Parliament to have a

647
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 8: longer debate, well that is allowed somehow in the Standing Orders.

648
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 8: But Mary Clay is quite correct, and I've said this

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00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 8: before to you, Katie, is the government has said, yes,

650
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 8: they'll support a motion to suspend the standing orders, push

651
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 8: the rule book aside to debate the petition up front.

652
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 2: That's fine.

653
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 8: Are you also going to support the suspension of the

654
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 8: standing orders to scrap the time frame. That's not what

655
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Speaker 8: the government hasn't said to us. I think Kate's also said,

656
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 8: Kate Wardens, the Minister for Police has said yes, And

657
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 8: you're saying.

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00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 3: Britain they want to speak.

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00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 8: That would be a fullsome fulsome debate, which means it

660
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 8: could go all day and that's probably rightly so, like.

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00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: We're not only talking about the issue.

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00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: I want to point out that, look, I know that

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Speaker 1: this petition is the petition that you know that indeed

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Speaker 1: Samaralavity is you know, is behind following the absolutely terrible situation.

665
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: With her son.

666
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: But let's not forget there was also a petition following

667
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: the death of seafat the International students. Now was it.

668
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: Referred to the community?

669
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: Wasn't referred So look, I think it's incredibly important that

670
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: Territorian's voices are heard and you know, whether you agree,

671
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: whether you disagree with whatever a petition is on something

672
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: as important as that, and following the death of that

673
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: international student, it actually like it makes me really sad

674
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: that you can have a situation here where a petition

675
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: can be signed by a large number of people, it

676
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: can be signed by not as large a number of people.

677
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean that it's any less important.

678
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 7: Let's remember that the Parliament is for the people, it's

679
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 7: not for politicians. We're there to represent our communities and

680
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 7: to also think. And I'm not sure if the listeners know,

681
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 7: but Samara Lavity she booked her flights to come to

682
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 7: Darwin for the sittings because she knew that she was

683
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 7: hoping that she put the pressure on the government to

684
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 7: make this petition be debated in full. Now she's booked

685
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 7: those flights now, but she got the text message to

686
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 7: say that it was going to be on Tuesday, like yesterday,

687
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 7: and that's festerday. You know, like to think that, you know,

688
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 7: she is the one that's put the petition forward, She's

689
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 7: gathered all those signations because she is the one grieving

690
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 7: and hurting the most. To only receive a text message,

691
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 7: I mean that wouldn't have given her enough time if

692
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 7: she was planning to book flights. I mean, especially with

693
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 7: our whites in Darwin Okatie.

694
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 8: There's an important thing I think that needs to be

695
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 8: pointed out to people listening and to anyone for that matter.

696
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 8: Petitions have a very old, long history, going back to

697
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 8: the old English times, and a petition is what you

698
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 8: take or someone brings to the parliament because the humble

699
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 8: person cannot the humble person cannot get access to the parliament,

700
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 8: to the members of Parliament, to.

701
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: The executive and so on.

702
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 8: So a petition is a very important instrument for the

703
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 8: average person to have their issue heard. Now, I think

704
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 8: we shouldn't lose sight of that. I mean, whether the

705
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,239
Speaker 8: issue is about a school crossing or the weather, it's

706
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 8: about a death of a son, the issue is the

707
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 8: petition is an important thing and it should always be

708
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 8: taken seriously.

709
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: And there are cases.

710
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 8: There's a case in New Zealand where a man petitioned

711
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 8: the New Zealand Parliament in regards to loss of compensation

712
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 8: on his farmland. He had no other way, He'd exhausted

713
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 8: all his other avenues legally, so he petitioned the parliament

714
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 8: in regards to his issue and it got debated and

715
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 8: it was found in his favor. So petitions can be

716
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 8: a very powerful tool. And I think missus Labberty has

717
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 8: done exactly that. She is so grieved and so concerned

718
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 8: about the territory and where her son was lost, that

719
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 8: she is petitioning through a member's because you can't petition herself.

720
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 8: But she's a petitioned through a member to get the

721
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 8: issue heard. And that's why it has to have a

722
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 8: complete fulsome debate. If it takes all day, so be it.

723
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: Look we are going to take a bit of a break.

724
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: You are listening to mix one oh four nine's three

725
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: sixty A real change of pace when we come back,

726
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: because the Northern Territory opposition leader Leo Fanocchiario, revealed on

727
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: the show throughout the week that she's going to vote

728
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: against the proposal to enshrine an Indigenous voice to Parliament.

729
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: I just mentioned quantas off air and everyone is blowing up.

730
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that shortly, but I want to talk

731
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: firstly about the fact that throughout the week Leah fan Occhiaro,

732
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: the opposition leader, joined us on the show and revealed

733
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: that she is going to vote against the proposal to

734
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: entrine an Indigenous voice to Parliament in the Constitution. So

735
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: she told us she's voting no because the government had

736
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: failed to provide enough detail about what the voice was

737
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: and how it would work.

738
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 5: I agree with her.

739
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 8: I've been since the referendum day has been announced, and

740
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 8: even in the last week or two, I've had original

741
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 8: amount of people come in, when's this referendum going to

742
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 8: be happening? So now I can give them a date

743
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 8: and the polling booz will be like an election and

744
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 8: they just say, well, what's it all about? So I

745
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 8: try and expand the best I can. Now we have

746
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 8: this Yularu statement and we've got some pamphlets I think out.

747
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: Of the electoral commissioners.

748
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: Sure, yep.

749
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 8: So I've given that to people. And then what's on

750
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 8: the media, and Leah's quite correct, there has been very

751
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 8: little information. If it's down south, it's definitely not up here.

752
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 8: And my concern and I have read the Marcia Langton

753
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 8: and Tom Carmer report and what's in it. It's about

754
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 8: an inch thick in paper terms, and I'm concerned that

755
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 8: we're looking to be another at Sick.

756
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 5: So we're going to have.

757
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 8: National councils, regional councils, local level councils, We're going to

758
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 8: have secretary supporting this group, secretary supporting that group.

759
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 3: What are they actually going to do to the common

760
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

761
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 8: But I did have a meeting with Senator McCarthy in

762
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 8: regards to this, and you know, she was providing some

763
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 8: information and my question to her was has the federal government.

764
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 8: Has your government done any kind of consideration or thinking

765
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 8: as to what will happen when or if this doesn't succeed,

766
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 8: Like referendas are very tricky, as we know, and I

767
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 8: didn't really get a decent answer. I mean, it's dividing

768
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 8: the community as it is now, you know, and it's

769
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 8: the divide is only going to get bigger. So you've

770
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 8: there's been a whole amount of money spent, and I've

771
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 8: been I've been threatened by Noel Pearce, not physically, I've

772
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 8: been threatened by him. I've been threatened by Marcia Lanthon

773
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 8: telling me, you know, if you don't do this, then

774
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 8: we know, welcome to country.

775
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: And Noel Pearson has said as in you personally, I

776
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: was going to say, good, that's me.

777
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 8: That Thomas Mayer bloke, he's also come out and said,

778
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 8: you know, a bunch of useless white.

779
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: Pricks or whatever. You know, did he say that or

780
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: are you well he could have done He most well

781
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: have done.

782
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 5: I think I think him.

783
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 3: I think so. He's been critical of the people who don't.

784
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 6: Want if you know, Thoms to Thomas faced criticism after

785
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 6: he was recorded in a in a speech saying talking

786
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 6: about reparations but at the same time, I mean I

787
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 6: sat down with Thomas for a lengthy interview and I

788
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 6: thought he made some pretty reasonable points and he was

789
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 6: talking about the issues we're facing here in Darwin at

790
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 6: the moment and saying that you know, we need to

791
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 6: do something differently to address some of these issues that

792
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 6: we're seeing now. Now I'm not making an argument for

793
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 6: or against the voice, but I'm just saying, if you're

794
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 6: going to if you're going to say that he's you know,

795
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 6: just that's certainly not what he was saying to me.

796
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: We've had him on.

797
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: As well in the early days, and he was very

798
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: reasonable about his argument, very respectful about his argument.

799
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 8: Me and a whole lot of constituents and others, friends, family, whatever,

800
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 8: are fed up was being dictated to by these career people,

801
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 8: Aboriginal people in the abriginal industry about we're racists if

802
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 8: we don't support yes. I would have seen that one

803
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 8: hundred times if I've seen it one time. Well, and

804
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 8: people are just getting fed up with being dictated to.

805
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 3: Well, I think people are actually think election.

806
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: You know, it's going to be really interesting to see

807
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: how things go. Matt.

808
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: We're anticipating that it's going to be October fourteen, is

809
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 3: that right? The referendum days.

810
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 6: And the Prime ministers announcing the date next Wednesday in Atala,

811
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 6: so it looks like October fourteen. Mildurie McCarthy's already said

812
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 6: you can't really hold it November December because it's the

813
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 6: wet season here and that was true.

814
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 5: Be a bit yeah, wouldn't it?

815
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

816
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 3: Sorry, No, I just want to add let me just quickly.

817
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 8: Page one hundred and eighty one of the Karma Langton

818
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 8: report states the final proposal is for an Office of

819
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 8: the National Voice with a CEO and policy and admin staff,

820
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 8: which should be entirely separate from any existing body. This

821
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 8: is in addition to the actual Voice Membership and Ethics Council,

822
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 8: two permanent advisory groups, and a scope for National Voice

823
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 8: with a CEO and policy and admin stuff which should

824
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 8: be entirely separate from the existing body. This is in

825
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 8: addition to the Actual Voice Membership and Ethics Council, two

826
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 8: penet groups, et cetera, et cetera. I must saying it's

827
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 8: another at Sick, except it's going to be admiginal torrestate

828
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 8: islander Commission for those who don't know at Sick or

829
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 8: what was at Sick, And so it's going to be

830
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 8: a massive buocracy. And my serious concern is is this

831
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 8: going to help the people at Lajamanu. Is this really

832
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 8: going to help the people out it?

833
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: Well, what people are starting like, that's what people are

834
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: questioning is if it's going to make a difference. But

835
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: then the other side of the argument is the way

836
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: that we're doing things right now isn't working and it's

837
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: not getting any better. Indigenous issues are not getting any better.

838
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: And if you don't have self determination and you don't

839
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: have that leadership you know, coming through from Indigenous people,

840
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: or if we don't have the body, is it ever

841
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: going to get better if there isn't that voice that

842
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: I suppose the other side of the argem.

843
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 7: We want to look at the Local Government Act and

844
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 7: how that works, because people in Indigenous communities will tell

845
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 7: you when you go and visit that that decision making

846
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 7: being removed from them all those years ago. I think

847
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 7: it was Claire Martin and she even was quoted at

848
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 7: an event recently that that was her biggest regret been

849
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 7: taking that away from them.

850
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 2: They want that back.

851
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 7: So, you know, wouldn't it be better to look at

852
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 7: those solutions here in the Northern Territory? So it is

853
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 7: local decisions. I mean, there's nothing worse for Territorians than

854
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 7: a couple of people sitting offices in Canberra telling us

855
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 7: what to do. They may not have even visited us before.

856
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 7: We already have plenty of Northern territory representatives in Canberra

857
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 7: and they're Indigenous as well, which is you know, it's

858
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 7: even better for having our voice in Canberra rather than

859
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 7: Canberra coming and telling us what to do.

860
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 4: I think at this point, every politician, every commentator has

861
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 4: said their piece is trying to influence people.

862
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 5: One way or the other.

863
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 4: I will be voting yes, but I won't be pushing

864
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 4: it on people. I think this is the benefit of

865
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 4: a referendum. Everyone gets the choice to vote. I think

866
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 4: as Australians and as territories at the end of it.

867
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 4: If it isn't no, at the end of it, we

868
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 4: just need to figure out how we move forward together.

869
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 4: Because I think yeah, and I'm not going to push

870
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 4: it yes or no on anyone. I think there's enough

871
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 4: information for people that want to be informed to be informed.

872
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 4: I am disappointed. I am disappointed that it's taken all

873
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,959
Speaker 4: this time for Lee to come out. She's virtual sitting

874
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 4: it the whole way through. I think just should have

875
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 4: been done at the start, like we know that.

876
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: What has started that though, I mean, well we tell

877
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: on every single train you.

878
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 5: Just asked the question who started. You just asked the

879
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 5: question for ages. She's been asked situation she was sitting,

880
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 5: and yes she was. She's had her signs at every

881
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 5: one of her functions saying no. But they're not telling

882
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 5: people how she's going to vote.

883
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 4: All I'm saying is at the very start we knew

884
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 4: this is going to be outcome, Just don't it and

885
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 4: let's move forward.

886
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 6: Well, I think there's been some serious division withinside about

887
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 6: the issue. Conscious absolutely, but there's no doubt there's been

888
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 6: a division within the c LP. I mean laws and

889
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 6: broad resigned over the issue, and it's an individual thing.

890
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: One of our listeners has just been in contact and said, Katie,

891
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: could you please ask the police why MT votes aren't

892
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: recognized with the same weight as the stuff like Queensland

893
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: or New South Wales.

894
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 8: I mean that's because David, it's a very good question

895
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 8: and the simple answer is, we are not a state.

896
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 8: We are self governing territory. The first, when you go

897
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 8: and cast your vote at the ballot box for the referendum,

898
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 8: you are counted in the national tally. So the country

899
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 8: voted this way. Then the constitution says we must have

900
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 8: a majority of states. The six states so four states

901
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 8: have to have the majority. Yes in those states we're

902
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 8: not a state. So in the second round across the country,

903
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 8: Northern Territory Act is not counted.

904
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 6: So we effectively don't count at all.

905
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 3: We efectually don't count.

906
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: Dave that we have the most to gain or lose.

907
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 5: North Australia has the most.

908
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 4: Again work yes, NT but North Australia, because I think

909
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 4: we can't just put it in by state and territory.

910
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 4: North Australia needs to be represented.

911
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 8: Said having said that, I recommend that you do go

912
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 8: and vote in the referendum because this is this is

913
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 8: what our country is all about.

914
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: We have this luxury.

915
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 2: I call it a luxury. So many people around the.

916
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: World die trying to have them vote. No Wings.

917
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: If you're not going to vote, pease, don't Wings. You

918
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: make sure that you go and vote and do it properly.

919
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 4: That's the problem I think they got in the States

920
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 4: at the moment with the presidential elections coming up, that

921
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 4: they don't have menage voting.

922
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 5: I think that's scaring in itself.

923
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to have to take a

924
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: very quick break. You are listening to mix one oh

925
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: four nine's three p.

926
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: Sixty.

927
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: When we come back, we're going to be talking about

928
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: those Quantas profits. And if you've just joined us in

929
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: the studio this morning, we've got Brent Potter, KEESI, EPUIC,

930
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham and Maurray Clare Boothby. And I tell you

931
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: what Australians are fuming because Quantus has posted a record

932
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: underlying profit of two point four to seven billion dollars

933
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: after a ten billion dollar lift in revenue in the

934
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three financial year and thirty percent more expensive airfares,

935
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: So the result represented a four point three billion dollar

936
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: turnaround on last year's one point eighty six billion dollar loss,

937
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: while the statutory pop profit was a record one point

938
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: seven four billion dollars, up from an eight hundred and

939
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: sixty million dollar loss in twenty twenty two. Meanwhile, tri

940
00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: flying two anywhere from the Northern Territory or regional.

941
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 3: Part of Australia and it's going to cost you an

942
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 3: arm and a leg.

943
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: You might need to auction off a kidney to be

944
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: able to afford to go and fly somewhere.

945
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 5: What's the definition of gas lighting? Because I.

946
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 4: Because I reckon, I reckon, mister Joyce, he was shocked

947
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 4: when he got the question, and I was like, how

948
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 4: did you not Matt did how did you not see

949
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 4: that question coming?

950
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 5: Though?

951
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 4: Like the fact that he was so oblivious to that

952
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 4: Australians are going This just doesn't meet the pub test.

953
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 4: You know, we gave you two and a half billion

954
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 4: dollars in the federal government. Qatar airlines try to come

955
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 4: in and they stopped, and they stopped that and then

956
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 4: you record profits.

957
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 5: You know, you're taught you're turning a profit.

958
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 4: Your shareholders are great and they're happy, but people can't

959
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 4: get a fly to get a seven hundred dollars to Brisbane.

960
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: It's cheaper to go to Port Moresby for this Coacota

961
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 4: track walk that I'm doing. I think he really needs

962
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 4: to start putting that money back into the airline pair,

963
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 4: not the planes.

964
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 6: They were coming some grief recently and so they brought

965
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 6: out this international or sale right so you could fly

966
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 6: to the US right from Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane from about

967
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 6: eleven hundred bucks return. The problem from Darwin was was

968
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 6: going to cost you fourteen hundred bucks return to get

969
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 6: from exactly.

970
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 7: It's look, Katie, I made it really clear to Alan

971
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 7: Joece when I met him here, when he was in Darwin.

972
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 7: The Territorians needed more flights and cheaper flights, so you

973
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 7: know the fact that he is not ready for those

974
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 7: questions about you know, being able to deliver that for us.

975
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 7: I mean, I also made it really clear that the

976
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 7: NT in quantus stands for Northern Territory, so and I

977
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 7: do recognize that it needs to be a co contribution

978
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 7: with governments and of course quantas, but I also noticed

979
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 7: that he made it really clear back then that crime

980
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 7: was having that impact on that demand.

981
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: Now I'm not done.

982
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 7: I definitely agree with him on that, but I disagree

983
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 7: with him just leaving the territory for dead and making

984
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 7: our flights so much more expense than of course having

985
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 7: limited options.

986
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 4: He was talking about Jetstar offering low cost flights, but

987
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 4: I think that two o'clock in yeah, exactly right, and

988
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 4: I know why they do it, and listen, airlines have

989
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 4: got to turn a profit, and historically airlines have never

990
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 4: turned a profit generally speaking, and we lost ants, and

991
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 4: I think we missed an opportunity back then to bail

992
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 4: them out and have two airlines that were national carriers

993
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 4: competing against each other. And that would have driven profits down.

994
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 4: But they really need to have a go look good,

995
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 4: hard look at themselves. And I hope when he leaves,

996
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 4: at the change in leadership and at the board level,

997
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 4: they look at the northern territory of Northern Australia with

998
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 4: a better bit of.

999
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 5: View of it.

1000
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: And the thing is, if you live anywhere regionally, like

1001
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: we think we're being charged an enormous amount here in

1002
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: Darwin and in Alla Springs, which we absolutely are, but

1003
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: you live anywhere regionally and it is shocking. And I

1004
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: just think that those airlines, you know, in terms of

1005
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: your connectivity, but in terms of not you know, it's

1006
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: not necessarily easy then for a new airline.

1007
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 3: To be able to enter any market.

1008
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: So they've just got this monopoly over Australia, but they're

1009
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: not being fair with regional Australia.

1010
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 4: I'm hoping that the Airline Attraction Fund will entice the

1011
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 4: likes of Bondsar and Rex and those two to Darwin.

1012
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 4: I'm led to believe those discussions are progressing really well

1013
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 4: and so I look for a positive outcome in that.

1014
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 4: And that's you know, markle Boof, you said it just

1015
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 4: before you know, there's a role for government to play

1016
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 4: in that and that's what we've done with the ten

1017
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 4: million match by the Airport Development Group and we'll see

1018
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 4: how that plays out as they continue negotiations.

1019
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 6: I still remember the boom times will when you could

1020
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 6: get a ten dollar flight to Melbourne from Darwins. They'd

1021
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 6: come out and you'd buy ten of them in one

1022
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 6: go and just if you went three times, you're still

1023
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 6: in front question. But I actually think the cost of

1024
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 6: air travel is really hampering our population through the moment

1025
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 6: because people who are close to their relatives into state,

1026
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 6: they won't move here for a length of time because

1027
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 6: you go home, go home once and that's your annual holidays.

1028
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: I agree not to mention then tourism. You know, you

1029
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: look at a place like Alice Springs are RULARU. I'd

1030
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: love to take the kids there throughout the school holidays,

1031
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: but unless you've got a week to drive there, it's

1032
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: too expensive to take a family of four. That's you know,

1033
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: it does have a huge impact on a lot of

1034
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, in a lot of ways. Think it is

1035
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: something that I know it's not an easy fix, but

1036
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: it is something that has to be worked upon, particularly

1037
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: when you look at the fact that Quantus received a

1038
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: large amount of subsidies, didn't they throughout the COVID time,

1039
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: And so go, come on, you need to be you

1040
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,479
Speaker 1: need to be realistic here well.

1041
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 5: And buy more planes.

1042
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 4: Like he's like, we're going to buy this many more

1043
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 4: planes over the next decade. It's like, well, yeah, what

1044
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 4: about cheaper flights for for everyone?

1045
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

1046
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 8: It's a given that you're going to buy new planes

1047
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 8: because that's the nature of your business. That's not like

1048
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 8: and you want good planes and a good safety and.

1049
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: Donate like you're doing as a favor by buy them

1050
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 3: because you're not.

1051
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 8: That's right, because that's that's your business. That's your core

1052
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 8: business is having aeroplanes for us to hop onto to

1053
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 8: get somewhere safely.

1054
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: That's right.

1055
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1056
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 8: I think it's beholding upon government and perhaps some of

1057
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 8: the big industry players to get and have big serious

1058
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 8: discussions with Quantas, whether together or separately, to get the

1059
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 8: outcome because it impacts on businesses too. As you know,

1060
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 8: well you going down to other springs and there's a

1061
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 8: lot of business traffic between down and Alice as we

1062
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 8: know and Alison Adelaide and it is just horrendous and

1063
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 8: those costs are passed on to the consumers.

1064
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 6: Two grand return last time I went to Alie Springs.

1065
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 3: Yeah that's obscene. Well look, we are going to have

1066
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 3: to wrap up for this morning unless you want to

1067
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: go for another hour. Better not.

1068
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 1: We've got Michael Murphy and Nathan Finn having a chat

1069
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: with us after ten o'clock.

1070
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 3: Murray Clear boothby from the CLP, Thanks so much for

1071
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 3: your time.

1072
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: This morning, Katie.

1073
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 7: And a shout out to the Parmesan Raiders and the

1074
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 7: Parmesan Northern Sharks because they've got their presentation day on

1075
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 7: Sunday for the juniors. It's been a really good season

1076
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 7: for those teams.

1077
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 3: Excellent. Matt Cunningham from Sky News. Thanks mate, you show

1078
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: back on today.

1079
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 6: Four o'clock will be three point thirty dar in time.

1080
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: Excellent TV. I'm make sure watching it. Good stuff, kezyer

1081
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 3: today today, gracious go Matt Meland you're busy.

1082
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 2: I'll be washing my hair.

1083
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 6: Good on.

1084
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 3: Thank you, Brett Potter, thank you for your time this morning.

1085
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 5: Thanks Katie. We might get a gold LOGI for Matt

1086
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 5: if he's on TV as well. Make it happen Matt

1087
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 5: for the gold LOGI.

1088
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: Go there all right, we are going to have to

1089
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: wrap up the week that was