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Speaker 1: Jum mission with Jonesy and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: Our next guest is an old friend of ours. He

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Speaker 2: used to be our sports guy before Jim Dollan. His

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Speaker 2: name's Travis Winks. He's just written a book about his

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Speaker 2: family experience. It's called Shattered. It's a true story and

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Speaker 2: it's extraordinary about how his very loyal family fell apart

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Speaker 2: self destructed over just sixty seven days.

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Speaker 3: Travis, Hello, morning, Jones and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: Hey mate, Hey, great to hear your voice.

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Speaker 3: It's been a while, hasn't it. Although you've done some

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Speaker 3: reading for me, you too, and Amanda, especially with a

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Speaker 3: testimonial on the book when I first sent it off

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Speaker 3: to you many many months ago. And I know that

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Speaker 3: time you are time poor because you do so much stuff,

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Speaker 3: But I appreciate your advice through the process of getting

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Speaker 3: this book on the shelves.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's an extraordinary story travel. It's one of those

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Speaker 1: stories where you read it and it's stuff that happens

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Speaker 1: to other people. But we know you and I've met

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Speaker 1: your family, and I feel bad that the fact that

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Speaker 1: I didn't know about it until I read the book

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Speaker 1: and I thought, oh my god, you've gone through hell.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's start with There were three streams here that

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Speaker 2: all fell apart around the same time. Your brother, your sister,

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Speaker 2: your dad. Let's start with your brother. The book starts

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Speaker 2: with your brother in trouble.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he had depression, extremely bad. The demons took hold

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Speaker 3: of him and he attempted to take his life for

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Speaker 3: the prescription drug overdose and ended up on life support

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Speaker 3: and ICU and we didn't know if he'd pulled through

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Speaker 3: or not. And then a couple of weeks after that,

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Speaker 3: my elder sister, who had been in a violent relationship

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Speaker 3: for many years, she reached a breaking point and went

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Speaker 3: from being the victim to the offender and found herself

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Speaker 3: in the slammer. And a couple of weeks after that,

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Speaker 3: my old man, who was glue with a family, such

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Speaker 3: a loving man who worked his backside off for his

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Speaker 3: entire life to provide for all of us, his breaking point,

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Speaker 3: and I think felt as though he had no more

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Speaker 3: answers to help those that he loved, and he waved

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Speaker 3: the white flag and ended up in a standoff with

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Speaker 3: police on my parents' property out west of Brisbane, and

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Speaker 3: he had a gun, and eventually the police were left

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Speaker 3: with no other choice but to shoot him dead.

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Speaker 2: Wow, just to hear you say it like that. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's a whole cavalcade of stuff that you've just said

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Speaker 2: in one sentence. Crikee. In sixty seven days, all of

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Speaker 2: this happened. I don't even know how to unpick this

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Speaker 2: with you in a short period of time.

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Speaker 3: A lot of layers, oh.

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Speaker 2: So many layers. And then tragically, your brother is no

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Speaker 2: longer with us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the demon's got him mid twenty eighteen, the poor bugger.

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Speaker 3: The mental illness, I mean, unfortunately, you know, we're talking

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Speaker 3: about coronavirus being the pandemic, where you see now that

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Speaker 3: mental illness and domestic violence of the other pandemic that

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Speaker 3: you know, we can't talk about enough. And I think

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Speaker 3: part of the problem with my brother and my father

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Speaker 3: was that they were such tough on the exterior men

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Speaker 3: and stubborn and full of pride. But we shouldn't be

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Speaker 3: embarrassed about having mental illness or depression. And the other

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Speaker 3: thing is this the victims of domestic violence. And I

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Speaker 3: will say women in this case because my sister is

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Speaker 3: obviously a female. It's easier said than done. And I

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Speaker 3: wish I had a magic potion. But women who are victims.

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Speaker 3: You know, for every action there's a consequence, and eventually

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Speaker 3: you may reach your breaking point. Don't become the offendout

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Speaker 3: like these people get away with so much and they

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Speaker 3: emotionally and physically destroy you. Get out. My sister, I

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Speaker 3: told her over and over again, and so did my dad,

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Speaker 3: but she didn't listen because she fell in love with

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Speaker 3: the wrong man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she was pointed to that point where she

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Speaker 1: got in a car and tried to run him over and.

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Speaker 2: Ended up she ends up in prison.

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Speaker 1: She ends up in prison.

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Speaker 3: Yep, she did, and she ended up in prison. And

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Speaker 3: I will never forget taken the phone call after I'd

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Speaker 3: learned of my father's death. A few hours later, the

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Speaker 3: prison guards rang me to try and get in touch

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Speaker 3: with my mum and they couldn't, and they wouldn't let

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Speaker 3: my sister speak to me because in the Brisbane Women's

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Speaker 3: Correctional Center, she had the TV on in the background

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Speaker 3: and she recognized my parents' property on the news update.

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Speaker 1: That's dreadful, Trev.

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Speaker 2: You're an optimistic guy. You've got a big open heart.

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Speaker 2: What do you hope? What are the messages of the book?

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Speaker 3: You know what, Amanda? I look, everyone has a story

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Speaker 3: to tell, and you lift the roof off any house

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Speaker 3: anywhere in Australia, anywhere in the world, and there's a

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Speaker 3: dark chapter. Okay, I'm under no disillusions that the reality

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Speaker 3: uses that bad thing happened. But I really hope that

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Speaker 3: people that read this story are encouraged to think about

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Speaker 3: their lives, their decisions and choices, and their relationships differently,

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Speaker 3: because things can compound, and they can compound out of control.

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Speaker 3: Essentially in the blink of an eye. We only get

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Speaker 3: one chance to live, and life is worth fighting for her.

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Speaker 3: I'm frustrated and disappointed and sad and that my brother

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Speaker 3: and my father couldn't see beyond that. But you know what,

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Speaker 3: there is help out there, and I think the supporters,

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Speaker 3: the people that help those victims of violence, and the

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Speaker 3: people that support the sufferers of mental illness, they need

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Speaker 3: help as well. But you know what, you can get

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Speaker 3: through it. I never gave up once, not once, And

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Speaker 3: I can tell you right now I was stretched, mynd

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Speaker 3: was stretched so far, but I had my wife, and

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Speaker 3: I have my children to live for, and my mum

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Speaker 3: and my remaining family members, and you know what, You've

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Speaker 3: just got to dig in and It's like, I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to make it sound as simplistic as possible, But when

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Speaker 3: you have a raft of complicated situation thrown at you

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Speaker 3: one after another, sometimes the simple approach is the best.

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Speaker 1: And the simple approach is just as simple as calling

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Speaker 1: Lifeline thirteen eleven fourteen. If you're feeling overwhelmed and you've

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Speaker 1: got all that stuff, you just go straight to Lifeline,

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Speaker 1: one foot in front of the other and they just

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Speaker 1: just chat about it. Travor, I'm just I hope things

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Speaker 1: are going better for you now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we're progressing. I've got a wonderful woman

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Speaker 3: by my side. Her name's Amanda as well, funnily enough,

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Speaker 3: and our children, and we've got a bub on the

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Speaker 3: way in a bit over a month, so that's exciting.

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Speaker 3: And mum's hanging in there, and my sister's rebuilding her life,

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Speaker 3: which is you know, she's done. She's done incredibly well

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Speaker 3: because she could have folded up like an Origami Kane

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Speaker 3: as well. So you know, we have got plenty to

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Speaker 3: live for. Even though we've lost so much, there's still

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Speaker 3: plenty to live for.

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Speaker 1: Well, good on you, mate. It's always great to catch up,

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Speaker 1: and let's catch up a beer. Shattered is available to

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Speaker 1: purchase online and in all good bookstores now, Travis, thanks mate.

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Speaker 2: Take care, Trav, thanks after yourself.

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Speaker 1: Travis Wings with Joinz and Amanda