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Speaker 1: And Amanda gam Nation.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: We've had the era of well, maybe we're still in

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Speaker 1: the era of free range parents, of snowplow parents who

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Speaker 1: remove obstacles to make love easy for their kids.

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Speaker 3: Free range parents, though, aren't they the ones?

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Speaker 4: They are kids a great deal of freedom, just do

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Speaker 4: whatever the hell they want.

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Speaker 2: Gentle parenting.

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Speaker 1: It's called, by and large this new I read an

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Speaker 1: article just this morning in the Wall Street Journal. The

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Speaker 1: headline was Goodbye gentle periling of parenting. Hello, f around

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Speaker 1: and find out faith, muck around and find out if

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Speaker 1: you'd rather a mako kind of a mafoo, doesn't it

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Speaker 1: Some of the parents are ditching the softer approach they're

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Speaker 1: saying to child rearing and taking a harder line. They're

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Speaker 1: going to out feral their they're feral. So this article

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Speaker 1: calls it FEIFO, f around and find out. And it's

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Speaker 1: based on the idea that parents can ask and warn,

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Speaker 1: but if a child breaks the rules, Mum and dad

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Speaker 1: aren't standing in the way of the Repercussions could be

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Speaker 1: as simple as didn't bring a raincoat, walk home at

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Speaker 1: a downpour, don't feel like having lasaigna for dinner. See

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Speaker 1: if you can survive till breakfast. Left your toy on

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Speaker 1: the floor again, it's in the bin under the lasagna.

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Speaker 1: Parenting that's light on discipline has dominated the culture in

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Speaker 1: recent decades, it says, But critics blame this approach for

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Speaker 1: some of gen Z's problems in adulthood, surveys that show

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Speaker 1: young adults are struggling with workplace relationships because they were

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Speaker 1: never told no, suffering from depression and anxiety because their

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Speaker 1: parents lend in to all of their problems.

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Speaker 2: So maybe there's something in this. It's interesting, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: But others are saying that this parenting debate is reflecting

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Speaker 1: the debate in wider society, the divide and wider society.

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Speaker 1: The paradigm of gentle parents versus faithfaux parents is kind

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Speaker 1: of a saying here snowflake kids versus marga kids. Political,

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Speaker 1: but in the style hardline parenting is necessary for a

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Speaker 1: child's survival in a harsh world. Has said this particular

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Speaker 1: faith O father. He said, the era of the participation

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Speaker 1: trophy is over. It's caused us all to get a

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Speaker 1: bit soft.

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Speaker 3: I kind of agree with that as well. I think

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Speaker 3: that's true.

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Speaker 4: But having said that there's bits from both sides.

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Speaker 1: There are, and why can't we raise kids with both sides?

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Speaker 1: I know the big point is to be consistent. This

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Speaker 1: woman here has said that by being a gentle parent

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Speaker 1: all that mindful adulting has robbed parents of their freedom

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Speaker 1: as well, because we tipped our around our kids' emotions

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Speaker 1: all the time, where our whole lives are geared around

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Speaker 1: if are our kids okay? And someone else has said

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Speaker 1: here that that gentle parenting is okay. It's a good

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Speaker 1: idea that she said, how come feelings have now been

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Speaker 1: equoted with raising equated with raising snowflakes?

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Speaker 2: That feelings are weak?

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Speaker 1: She said, I'd rather not scare my children into obedience,

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Speaker 1: but have them trust me. If my kids are in trouble,

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Speaker 1: I don't want them to say Mom's going to be

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Speaker 1: mad at me. So people feel weird about creating a

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Speaker 1: generation of soft kids.

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Speaker 4: To have a bit of that fear as well for

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Speaker 4: the kid that there's going to be consequence.

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Speaker 1: Well, this same woman who has said I want I

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Speaker 1: like gentle parenting apparently then posted a picture of a

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Speaker 1: bike mark on her child's arm because she said, my

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Speaker 1: kid bit me last night, and I.

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Speaker 2: Bit her that, and there you go and there you go.

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Speaker 1: At some point we have to teach our kids that

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Speaker 1: there are consequences and there are repercussions.

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Speaker 4: But as a kid growing up in the seventies and eighties,

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Speaker 4: my whole life is marked by moments where other people

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Speaker 4: disciplined me, whether it be the brother's school when I

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Speaker 4: was at the Catholic school, they beat the hell out

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Speaker 4: of you, or just to see but that doesn't that mates, Well,

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Speaker 4: I remember one time, as soon as you're just talking

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Speaker 4: about this, I remember I was one of my dad's

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Speaker 4: mates places swimming in the pool with a diving mask on,

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Speaker 4: and I got out of the pool and I through

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Speaker 4: the diving mask being kid on the ground, so I

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Speaker 4: sort of got up to the edge of the pool,

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Speaker 4: took it off, plopped back in the pool. Next time

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Speaker 4: I came up, my dad's mate grabbed me and cracked

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Speaker 4: me on the head and said, that's a two hundred dollars.

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Speaker 3: Diving mask, mate, They cost a fortune. And my dad's standing.

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Speaker 3: He didn't say anything, and he was a full on

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Speaker 3: crack on the.

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Speaker 2: Head, see, and he's saying that's a good thing.

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Speaker 4: From that moment, like here I am at fifty seven,

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Speaker 4: and I've remembered that as clear as DYEA Possibly that

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Speaker 4: made me in a way think about other people's stuff

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Speaker 4: because I look in I've got a lot of cool stuff,

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Speaker 4: and kids will come thinking it's a good thing. Look,

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's a good thing, but I'm just

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Speaker 4: saying it's certainly. Whenever I near a diving mask, I

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Speaker 4: treat it with care.

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Speaker 2: Whatever I near a diving mask, I go into a

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Speaker 2: fetal position.

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Speaker 3: And so for an hour, if I see Jacques Cousteau.

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Speaker 2: You can go break down and.

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Speaker 3: You're at the shops.

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Speaker 1: But modern parenting, we all talk about how we can't

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Speaker 1: help ourselves.

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Speaker 2: We want to be our kids friends, and that's not

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Speaker 2: our job.

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Speaker 3: You can't And there's a.

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Speaker 2: Fine line between.

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Speaker 1: But as this woman says, you don't want your kids

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Speaker 1: to be frightened of you. You want them to trust you.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of issues that shades of gray all

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Speaker 1: through this. But maybe we are coming out of the

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Speaker 1: gentle parenting and heading more into the f around and

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Speaker 1: find out parents here. But as you say, a combination

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Speaker 1: of A and B would be good