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Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS.

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Speaker 2: Oh, now it makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday,

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Speaker 3: the twenty seventh of March. I'm Zara Seidler.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sam Kozlowski.

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Speaker 3: Earlier this week, the White House confirmed that a journalist

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Speaker 3: was accidentally added to a group chat where a number

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Speaker 3: of the most senior defense officials were discussing a planned

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Speaker 3: strike against the Houthi rebel group in Yemen. The Atlantics

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Speaker 3: editor in chief revealed in an exclusive article that he

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Speaker 3: was accidentally added to the signal group earlier this month,

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Speaker 3: which included Vice President JD Vance and Trump's National Security advisor.

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Speaker 2: I am so pumped to get into this story.

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Speaker 1: This is a medi one.

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Speaker 2: This is one that the Netflix producers are queuing up

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Speaker 2: to try and figure out.

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Speaker 1: Certainly some commissioning of new pieces.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be amazing. But I do want to

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Speaker 2: start by fully understanding how all of this happened, because

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Speaker 2: the idea of not only somebody being added to a

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Speaker 2: grip chat where they're discussing what we're going to tell

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Speaker 2: you about, but it being the editor of a huge

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Speaker 2: news outlet in America is wild. So This story begins

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Speaker 2: on Tuesday, March eleven. Yeah, why is that day important?

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Speaker 3: So that's the day that Jeffrey Goldberg says that he

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Speaker 3: was first sent a connection request on Signal from someone

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Speaker 3: called Michael Woltz.

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Speaker 2: So there's a few characters there.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, that might sound like gibberish

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Speaker 3: to a lot of our listeners, So let's just unpack

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Speaker 3: it one by one. So let's start with Jeffrey Goldberg.

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Speaker 3: So Jeffrey Goldberg is the editor in chief of the Atlantic, which,

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Speaker 3: as you just mentioned, is an American media company known

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Speaker 3: mostly for magazines. He is the person who received a

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Speaker 3: request on Signal, which is a messaging app that has

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Speaker 3: a kind of higher level of security than, for example, texting.

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Speaker 3: A lot of journalists are on because it's a secure

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Speaker 1: And on that day he got a fairly random request.

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Speaker 2: So it's a Tuesday, a couple of weeks ago, and

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Speaker 2: the editor of The Atlantic gets a notification saying that

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Speaker 2: there was a request coming through that he'd be added

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Speaker 2: to a group. Ye who actually sent that request?

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Speaker 3: So that request came from a user called Michael Waltz. Now,

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Speaker 3: just for context, Michael Waltz is President Donald Trump's national

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Speaker 3: security advisor, and so naturally, when Goldberg, who is a journalist,

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Speaker 2: He thought it was fake, as we would, to be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he said, and I'll quote directly from

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Speaker 3: the article. I would implore anyone listening to go read

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Speaker 3: that article. It is incredibly well written and a very

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Speaker 3: good read. But he says, and I quote here, Trump's

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Speaker 3: contentious relationship with journalists and Trump's periodic fixation on me

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Speaker 3: specifically was what built this doubt that the request was real.

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Speaker 3: But regardless of the hesitations, Goldberg said he accepted the

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Speaker 3: request and hoped that Waltz, who as I said, is

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Speaker 3: or Iran or as he said, some other important matter.

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Speaker 2: That's really interesting. So his initial gut feel after he

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Speaker 2: entertained whether it was false, was maybe this guy's a source.

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Speaker 2: Maybe this guy could be leaking something to me. So

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Speaker 2: he accepts the message, but then it definitely does not

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Speaker 3: No, So after that, Goldberg receives a notification that he's

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Speaker 1: That group chat is called the Huthy PC Small Group.

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Speaker 2: And we have talked about the Huthis number of times

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Speaker 3: So, the Huthis are an Iran backed group based out

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Speaker 3: twelve percent of global trade. Importantly, since just after October

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, the Houthis have been launching these kind

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Speaker 2: And so the US have had the Houthis in their

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Speaker 3: So apparently the houthy PC Small Group was, as we

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Speaker 2: Which we reported on. So this is like this really

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Speaker 2: interesting thing reading this story knowing that we actually covered that.

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Speaker 1: We covered the attack. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: And so in this article, Goldberg says that the group

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Speaker 2: And so basically this group was assembled on signal to

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Speaker 3: So it wasn't even just how they were going to attack,

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Speaker 3: we understand that JD. Vance, as I said, the Vice

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Speaker 3: the text debate, so people were debating whether or not

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Speaker 2: And so Goldberg gets all of these messages. He's still

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Speaker 1: Ask you if you would notice if there was some

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Speaker 2: Me that you would, I think I would. I feel

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Speaker 2: I mean, this wasn't a group of hundreds and hundreds, No,

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Speaker 3: So Goldberg writes in his article that after he read

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think every journalist has a healthy kind

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Speaker 3: He wrote that the last message implied that the attacks

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Speaker 2: To bring things from the group chat into the real world,

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Speaker 2: we know that these attacks on who he targets in

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Speaker 3: So at the end of Goldberg's article, he basically explains

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Speaker 3: So he says that he left the chat, and then

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Speaker 3: But he says that after he left, he contacted some

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Speaker 2: And so that all happened on Monday. We're now sitting

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Speaker 3: Yes, So, so the administration has downplayed the incident. They

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Speaker 3: they're more focusing on the to and fro that were

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Speaker 1: But then inside of that, it does seem like Mike Waltz,

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Speaker 3: Was the person who added Jeffrey Golberg to the group,

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Speaker 3: that he has taken most of the blame here. He

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Speaker 3: and again there was nothing in that chat that implied

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Speaker 2: But we do know it.

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Speaker 3: As I said a bit earlier, that Jade Vance was

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