Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, the ugly
Speaker 1: truth behind Molly May and Tommy Fury's reunion and Indy
Speaker 1: Clinton's PR stunt is exposed. But first, Olivia Rodgers's ex
Speaker 1: husband Justin mckinn has welcomed a baby boy with his
Speaker 1: Bachelor Contestant girlfriend Tany Leeson. I was really surprised when
Speaker 1: I saw this announcement pop up on Instagram because he
Speaker 1: was born nearly four weeks early. So Tani chose Mother's
Speaker 1: Day to announce the arrival of Arlo Leson McKean, who
Speaker 1: was born on the twenty eighth of April. Thoughts on
Speaker 1: the name, so, I like the name. Amy has a
Speaker 1: couple of kids in her friendship group with the name Arlo,
Speaker 1: and I've always thought it was very cute. It's quite unique.
Speaker 1: But then I don't think it's been overdone.
Speaker 2: Oh see, I actually.
Speaker 1: Think that there are so many Arlo's at the moment.
Speaker 1: I mean, as you said, there's a few names friendship
Speaker 1: group alone.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of dogs called Arlo.
Speaker 1: And then Sarah's Day has recently had so I think
Speaker 1: it's a name that is very popular, and I think
Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot of Arlo's in our
Speaker 1: son's grades at school. I haven't seen it popping up
Speaker 1: in the most popular boys' names list, though, so I
Speaker 1: feel like maybe it was a name that was quite
Speaker 1: popular a couple of years ago. I was surprised they
Speaker 1: went with a hyphenated surname. I thought it might just
Speaker 1: be McKean. I really wasn't surprised by it at all.
Speaker 1: I think it reflects where they are in their relationship.
Speaker 1: They split up before the public announcement of this baby
Speaker 1: news and seem to get back together because of it.
Speaker 1: They're not married, and I don't think that she perhaps
Speaker 1: knows necessarily where she stands in this relationship going forward,
Speaker 1: particularly with the fact that Justin maybe going to prison soon. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: he is facing allegations of stealing almost half a million
Speaker 1: dollars from his former employee erh He hasn't appeared at
Speaker 1: the last two hearings, so we don't really know what's
Speaker 1: going on with that. And I found it interesting because
Speaker 1: there was actually no reference to Justin in Tarani's announcement posts.
Speaker 1: So she uploaded twelve photos in a carousel, and Justin
Speaker 1: featured in the background of two of them where he
Speaker 1: was supporting Taranni throughout the labor. So he was definitely
Speaker 1: at the labor, but there wasn't a photo of him
Speaker 1: with his son and also with Taranni. I don't think
Speaker 1: that that is necessarily reflective of whether they're together or not.
Speaker 1: I think that Tani and Justin would realize that the
Speaker 1: media would jump on this photo op and they would
Speaker 1: splash a photo of the three of them all over
Speaker 1: their news website. So I think by her posting alone,
Speaker 1: it doesn't attract as much attention. But they already did
Speaker 1: a photo shoot when they announced the pregnancy. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I think now that the writing is somewhat on the
Speaker 1: wall over this court case and he's been a no
Speaker 1: show that he doesn't want to attract even more attention
Speaker 1: to it. I totally disagree the writing was on the
Speaker 1: wall when they made the pregnancy announcement. He had shut
Speaker 1: down his Instagram account. He actually returned to Instagram to
Speaker 1: be a collaborator on this pregnancy announcement post. He's not
Speaker 1: a collaborator on the birth announcement. Yeah, but at the
Speaker 1: time it was also looking like he was going to
Speaker 1: try and fight these claims against him, but subsequently he
Speaker 1: hasn't appeared in court.
Speaker 2: His legal team have dropped him.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that's got anything to do with it.
Speaker 1: I think that something potentially could be going on with
Speaker 1: him and Tarny because he hasn't even commented on the post,
Speaker 1: which is unusual because he's commented on her last three posts.
Speaker 1: It's a bit strange. I mean, his Instagram bio says
Speaker 1: Arlo's dad in it. I just think it's a bit
Speaker 1: murky about what's going on between them, and I feel
Speaker 1: really sorry for Tarani because she needs so much support
Speaker 1: at the moment. She shared in the announcement post that
Speaker 1: it wasn't the best entry into motherhood because Arlo was
Speaker 1: experiencing breathing difficulty shortly after he was born, and the
Speaker 1: poor thing had to spend ten days in the hospital.
Speaker 1: Fortunately he's now home and it's been two weeks and
Speaker 1: he's doing really well. Batani wrote, no one can prepare
Speaker 1: you to go through the all consuming and emotional experience
Speaker 1: of childbirth, only to watch this tiny little boy being
Speaker 1: wheeled away from you mere hours later, then the hours
Speaker 1: upon hours I spent in hospital just holding him in
Speaker 1: my arms, never wanting to leave, and crying when I
Speaker 1: had to. Hasn't this poor girl gone through enough? It
Speaker 1: would be such a difficult time with everything going on
Speaker 1: in the background with Justin, and then to have your
Speaker 1: baby arrive four weeks early. I do wonder if since
Speaker 1: the birth of this child things have turned even more
Speaker 1: south with their relationship. I mean, the baby Arlo was
Speaker 1: born on the twenty eighth of April. She made the
Speaker 1: announcement on the eleventh of May. That's a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks in between. Maybe since he was born, Justin has
Speaker 1: been absent and that's why she hasn't wanted to.
Speaker 2: Include him in the Instagram. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look, I don't want to speculate because it's obviously a
Speaker 1: really difficult time for them. I mean, he was born
Speaker 1: in a Perth hospital, which is where Justin. He's relocated
Speaker 1: from Melbourne to Perth. Tiny's been there with him. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I hope things are okay with them. As
Speaker 1: I said, Tiny really needs a support at this time.
Speaker 1: I also think potentially Justin is just wanting to keep
Speaker 1: an incredibly low profile with everything going on again, I
Speaker 1: don't think they should have done the pregnancity photo shoot
Speaker 1: because the news are reporting on this and they're just
Speaker 1: using those photos.
Speaker 2: Good knowing good first day.
Speaker 1: A video of Indy clint and supposedly meeting a coworker
Speaker 1: at her new corporate gig is going viral on TikTok.
Speaker 1: It comes a month after an anonymous user uploaded a
Speaker 1: video of Indy appearing to be in the middle of
Speaker 1: a job interview. So this second TikTok has all but
Speaker 1: confirmed that this is a publicity stunt. I mean, we
Speaker 1: all smelled a rat when that first video went viral
Speaker 1: a month ago, but this definitely removes any seed of doubt.
Speaker 1: In this new video, the office worker just happened to
Speaker 1: be randomly filming herself typing on the computer at work
Speaker 1: when her unexpected new coworker aka Indie Clinton sat down
Speaker 1: next to her, and similar to the last video, the
Speaker 1: interaction was uploaded to TikTok by a supposed anonymous user
Speaker 1: whose account had no other posts.
Speaker 2: Now, this did make.
Speaker 1: Sense for the initial video because the office worker in
Speaker 1: that video was acting as though they didn't want to
Speaker 1: be caught out by their boss for secretly filming Indy
Speaker 1: in the middle of a job interview. But in this case,
Speaker 1: the office worker clearly didn't care about her idea to
Speaker 1: d being revealed because her face was front and center
Speaker 1: in this whole clip. None of it makes sense because
Speaker 1: if we actually believed this first video that came out,
Speaker 1: then surely that office worker would have been hauled in
Speaker 1: by the boss and said, how dare you share this video?
Speaker 1: People are not to be talking about it, and there
Speaker 1: would have been discussion in the office. Okay, Indy Clinton
Speaker 1: has this job. No one is to film her for
Speaker 1: this second video to come out.
Speaker 2: It's just so obvious. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, over the top of the video, the office worker wrote,
Speaker 1: point of view, your new co worker is Indy Clinton.
Speaker 1: Let's have it listened to the awkward exchange between Indy
Speaker 1: and this coworker in the video.
Speaker 2: Hi, oh you good? Are you you? Yeah? Hannah good?
Speaker 2: Are you on this team?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: Do I know you from?
Speaker 3: I know you work there?
Speaker 1: Oh my god?
Speaker 2: You know how to get into your computer?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I got the pines go for lunch?
Speaker 2: I think so?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, do you want to come?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, of course, anytime. No worries leving on if
Speaker 2: you need anything.
Speaker 1: I love that Indy has her priorities right. She was
Speaker 1: asking about what is happening for lunch even before she.
Speaker 2: Was logged onto her computer.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just good office comraderie. I still remember
Speaker 1: starting a job and they set me up with this
Speaker 1: buddy who was meant to look after me, and rather
Speaker 1: than taking me out to lunch, it was her birthday
Speaker 1: and she went out to lunch with all the other
Speaker 1: girls in the office and left.
Speaker 2: Me by myself. That is just mean.
Speaker 1: I feel like when anyone is new, you've got to
Speaker 1: let them come along with you. You've got to introduce
Speaker 1: them to everyone. Now, this video quickly attracted over one
Speaker 1: point nine million views, eighty four thousand likes, and over
Speaker 1: one thousand, six hundred sent on, so there was a
Speaker 1: massive reaction to this video. However, I was surprised to
Speaker 1: see that not everyone cottoned on to the fact that
Speaker 1: this is a marketing stunt that we're all watching unfold
Speaker 1: one years of road. Imagine Indy just trying to fit
Speaker 1: in and see her co worker posted a video of
Speaker 1: her on her first day loll and that comment got
Speaker 1: over five thousand likes. Whilst another said I'm sure Indy
Speaker 1: is thrilled to be filmed without her knowledge, while another
Speaker 1: said does she know you did this?
Speaker 2: Just wondering.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can see why marketing campaigns like this work.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're all saying, oh, it's so obvious that
Speaker 1: it's a PR stunt, but we've got a background in
Speaker 1: PR and marketing. When it comes to TikTok, there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of background on things, so people just take
Speaker 1: this sort of stuff of verbatim or There were a
Speaker 1: lot of followers who were commenting their concern for some
Speaker 1: people having no.
Speaker 2: Critical thinking skills.
Speaker 1: One user wrote, come on, guys, you've got to find
Speaker 1: a way to decipher real verse stage videos. Now. Most
Speaker 1: people did cotton on to the fact that this is
Speaker 1: a publicity's done and thought that this was marketing genius.
Speaker 1: One user wrote, the marketing girl is no, this is
Speaker 1: a teaser, but we stand regardless. I mean, it's pretty
Speaker 1: clear that the marketing team we're trying to drop more
Speaker 1: clues in this video, because you could tell that the
Speaker 1: office had something to do with skincare or cosmetics because
Speaker 1: they were shelves bursting with products in the background. Did
Speaker 1: predict last month. This has all the telltale signs of
Speaker 1: a TBH skincare stunt, because in early twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: Indy was accused of being involved in a different PR
Speaker 1: stunt with the brand, and that's when she accidentally leaked
Speaker 1: one of their unreleased products in a daily vlog. So
Speaker 1: that leak got a lot of media attention. It actually
Speaker 1: created unprecedented exposure for the brand, and TBH had a
Speaker 1: very sleek PR response on TikTok, which made people dubious.
Speaker 1: One of their most popular videos showed the marketing manager
Speaker 1: calling up tbh's founder Rachel Wilde and breaking the news
Speaker 1: to her, and then the team claimed to have this
Speaker 1: emergency meeting the next day and they brought the launch
Speaker 1: forward and that ended up actually being tbh's most successful
Speaker 1: product launched due to all of the exposure basically from
Speaker 1: the media about this idiot influencer who leaked the new
Speaker 1: brand to everyone. Yeah, they're very well known for their
Speaker 1: gorilla marketing tactics. In terms of what's going on with
Speaker 1: this publicity stunt, is clear Indy is releasing a line
Speaker 1: or a product through TBH, and it seems like the
Speaker 1: company have been so kind to throw us an Easter Eggs.
Speaker 1: So when I first looked at the TikTok username, I
Speaker 1: thought it was just some random numbers and letters, but no,
Speaker 1: super Sluice have realized that it's a clue about the
Speaker 1: product's release date. So the username is B twenty seven
Speaker 1: five two zero two five H, So that gives us
Speaker 1: the release date of the twenty seventh of May twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. This is what I call marketing juniors. There
Speaker 1: is also a secondary clue in there. So the TikTok
Speaker 1: username started with a B and ended with an H, which,
Speaker 1: funnily enough, that's my husband's initials. He has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with this, So Influencer Updates has cracked the code
Speaker 1: for us On this one. She shared that she believes
Speaker 1: the b H stands for Booth Hair, and she then
Speaker 1: shared a follow up screenshot of boof Hair's new Instagram account,
Speaker 1: which happens to only follow tbh's founder Rachel Wild. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: and so far the account has only three posts. So
Speaker 1: one of the posts is a video you showing a
Speaker 1: clock ticking with the caption set your alarms with the
Speaker 1: twenty seventh of May twenty twenty five. So again it
Speaker 1: reiterates that launch date in the TikTok use a name.
Speaker 1: The second post shows someone's hair being brushed, and the
Speaker 1: third is a close up shot of red packaging with
Speaker 1: the caption did your hair go Poof? We're here to
Speaker 1: make it go Boof. Now. To me, it sounds like
Speaker 1: this product is potentially for postpartum hair loss, which would
Speaker 1: make Indy, who is a mum of three, the perfect
Speaker 1: face for it. God, I mean, I hope it's a
Speaker 1: good product because I am experiencing that at the moment
Speaker 1: and it is a pain in the ass. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't given birth yet and my hair
Speaker 1: is in the best condition that it's been in for
Speaker 1: a while. Enjoy that, and I know that it's just
Speaker 1: going to snap off instantly when I give birth or
Speaker 1: I stop breastfeeding.
Speaker 2: The worst bit is.
Speaker 1: I always just pull my hair back now, and then
Speaker 1: I've got these little bits that just will not pull back.
Speaker 2: They look ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And I don't have time to blow dry my hair either,
Speaker 1: so it's just very unruly. Well. On the Instagram account,
Speaker 1: there is a link to Boof's new website and it
Speaker 1: takes you to a landing page which says hi you've
Speaker 1: reached booth. We're not available right now, but if you
Speaker 1: leave your email and telephone number will be in touch.
Speaker 1: And it then asked the public to subscribe to be
Speaker 1: the first to find out about the new hair care line.
Speaker 1: So I am guessing that Indy is the face of
Speaker 1: this new line. I don't necessarily think she has a
Speaker 1: financial stake in this business, but I think that this
Speaker 1: whole marketing campaign has been genius, because when else would
Speaker 1: we be talking about the fact that my tbh is
Speaker 1: launching a new hair care line? Who really cares? Yeah,
Speaker 1: hats off to them. Everyone is playing along at home.
Speaker 1: I've really enjoyed it. It will be interesting to see if
Speaker 1: that converts to sales like it did for the original
Speaker 1: publicity Start with Indy Clinton, I.
Speaker 3: Actually don't hate you in the slightest like I feel
Speaker 3: like you actually hate me.
Speaker 1: Molly May and Tommy Fury are officially back together. Molly
Speaker 1: broke the worst kept secret in part two of her
Speaker 1: prime doco Behind it All. While fans were thrilled about
Speaker 1: the reconciliation, one member of the family couldn't hide their
Speaker 1: true feelings. Molly's older sisters Ray is not happy about
Speaker 1: the reunion no, and she didn't hold back sharing her
Speaker 1: concerns directly with her sister and also the world. So
Speaker 1: Zoe was upfront saying that she didn't believe Tommy had
Speaker 1: resolved his issues with alcohol, and she said that she
Speaker 1: hoped her sister would make the right decision and feared
Speaker 1: their relationship would be damaged if she got back with
Speaker 1: the boxer. Mollie May also conceded to the film crew
Speaker 1: that navigating her relationship with Zoe was the trickiest it
Speaker 1: had ever been. A lot of people have described Zoe
Speaker 1: as the hero of this documentary for being the only
Speaker 1: person to give it straight to Molly May. Oh, you
Speaker 1: can tell that Molly May is just surrounded by yes people,
Speaker 1: and Zoe is the only person that has the balls
Speaker 1: to say, hey, I don't think this is a good idea.
Speaker 1: Everyone is talking about the scene in the car with
Speaker 1: the sisters, which I think is probably one of the
Speaker 1: most relatable scenes of this whole documentary. Last time they
Speaker 1: were in the car singing to the Saddle Club theme song.
Speaker 1: This time they were having a heated argument about Molly's
Speaker 1: relationship with Tommy off the back of that much publicized
Speaker 1: New Year's Eve kiss. Isn't that just sisterhood? One day
Speaker 1: you're singing in the saddle clubs, next day you're having
Speaker 1: a big argument. You know, Well, it doesn't even have
Speaker 1: to be a different day. It can be within half
Speaker 1: an hour of each other. Well, on the topic of
Speaker 1: that New Year's kiss, I love seeing behind the scenes
Speaker 1: of the crisis phone call with Fran. You could tell
Speaker 1: that she was so embarrassed. She looked sheepish about the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Oh she did, and it's like she didn't
Speaker 1: want to admit to anyone.
Speaker 2: She said, Oh, Tommy was.
Speaker 1: Only there for ten minutes at the end, which kind
Speaker 1: of made it sound even worse. Oh yeah, because there
Speaker 1: was this whole rhetoricon line that they'd been seen flirting
Speaker 1: all night.
Speaker 2: She's like, that's not true.
Speaker 1: He literally arrived like ten minutes before the countdown, which
Speaker 1: I'm like.
Speaker 2: Baby, it kind of makes it look worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he and it took him ten minutes to persuade
Speaker 1: you to have this New Year's Eve kiss in front
Speaker 1: of all of these people. Also, how Molly trusted everyone
Speaker 1: that was there at the party, but then it still
Speaker 1: ended up in the press. I felt really sorry for her.
Speaker 1: How good was it when Fran told her to go
Speaker 1: pour herself a stiff drink and she got out of
Speaker 1: fruit box. This is what makes her so relatable. At
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you could tell Zoe wasn't
Speaker 1: too happy about it because she gave up her New
Speaker 1: Year's Eve to babysit Bamby so Molly could go to
Speaker 1: this party and she ended up kissing Tommy, who she's
Speaker 1: not happy with. Yeah, and she threw it in her
Speaker 1: face in the car like all good sisters do. And
Speaker 1: she asked Molly if she regretted it or felt embarrassed,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, that is not
Speaker 1: going to anyway. Yeah. Well, I feel sorry for Zoe because,
Speaker 1: as she said, she's just sick of having to be
Speaker 1: the one to pick up the pieces. Let's throw to
Speaker 1: more of that exchange.
Speaker 2: We just maybe don't speak about.
Speaker 3: No, I don't feel comfortable not talking about because sisters
Speaker 3: need to be able to tell each other everything, all right,
Speaker 3: So then I need to be able to tell you
Speaker 3: the good, bad and the ugly. Your relationship and how
Speaker 3: you feel and how you are with Tommy is my
Speaker 3: only concern.
Speaker 2: But what a lovely life you have.
Speaker 3: Nothing I do or say she was going to change
Speaker 3: what you do or your opinion or how you feel
Speaker 3: towards him. Correct, and you know what's sorry, that's the
Speaker 3: wisest thing I think you've upset. I know, at some
Speaker 3: point p in the next year, however long it is,
Speaker 3: there will be a time where, unfortunately, and I hate
Speaker 3: to say, you probably will be upset again.
Speaker 1: I've seen a bit of a mixed response around Molly
Speaker 1: saying to Zoe, well, what a lovely life you have
Speaker 1: if that's your only worry, and people are saying, oh,
Speaker 1: it's actually very commendable of Zoe to be concerned about
Speaker 1: Molly and her relationship. But as someone who has sisters,
Speaker 1: I read that line differently because I think that Molly
Speaker 1: feels very judged by Zoe, and she is saying to her, well,
Speaker 1: you're coming from this position of having this very healthy,
Speaker 1: happy relationship. I mean, Zoe recently got married and her
Speaker 1: life probably to Molly seems very easy and picture perfect,
Speaker 1: very stable. Yeah, very stable, and Molly saying well, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry that you've got everything put together and I don't. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for Zoe because she's been copying some
Speaker 1: backlash on TikTok. People have complaining that she needs to
Speaker 1: back off and let Molly live her own life. It's clear,
Speaker 1: as you said so, that those people don't have sisters,
Speaker 1: because someone who understands that sister dynamic. Zoe just wants
Speaker 1: what's best for Molly and it's not Tommy. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sad to say that because I've always loved Tommy
Speaker 1: and Molly together, but it's quite clear that he's really
Speaker 1: hurt her. I think she's just taking him back way
Speaker 1: too quickly. I can see it from Molly's perspective, though,
Speaker 1: because I've been in that scenario where you really want
Speaker 1: to take someone back and you're in the position because
Speaker 1: I almost feel like Molly's in the position where she's
Speaker 1: been somewhat begging Tommy even though it really should be
Speaker 1: the other way around, and you feel embarrassed because you
Speaker 1: know that everyone's judging you for it, but that's what
Speaker 1: your heart wants, even though it doesn't seem right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean again, I've been in a toxic relationship in
Speaker 1: my early twenties and I dated someone who treated me terribly,
Speaker 1: and you guys were very much in Zoe's position where
Speaker 1: you hated him and you're well within your rights too,
Speaker 1: But when you actually care about the person, you end
Speaker 1: up forgiving them. Well, that's the worst thing as a sister,
Speaker 1: when you can just see that someone is bad news. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the thing is you forgive them, but your sisters don't.
Speaker 1: So that's the position that Zoe's in. She's heard all
Speaker 1: of this terrible stuff that Tommy has done because Molly said,
Speaker 1: I've told her everything and she can't forgive them and
Speaker 1: she doesn't have to.
Speaker 2: Yeah. For Zoe, she doesn't have the emotional.
Speaker 1: Buying of being part of that relationship, so she can
Speaker 1: see it for what it is. But being in Molly's shoes,
Speaker 1: Zoe's behavior is then pushing her away and into the
Speaker 1: arms of Tommy. And I feel like Tommy is almost
Speaker 1: using that to his advantage and Zoe's a bit of escapegoat.
Speaker 2: At the moment.
Speaker 1: It's like, Oh, Zoe's the one that's keeping us apart,
Speaker 1: and she's the baddie when she's not. Yeah, it definitely
Speaker 1: feels that way, And it was quite interesting because Zoe
Speaker 1: said to Molly, when things are good between you and Tommy,
Speaker 1: I don't hear from you at all, But when things
Speaker 1: are bad, you need me around, And there was a
Speaker 1: lot of frustration there, and I think that a lot
Speaker 1: of people have experienced that with friends or siblings before,
Speaker 1: when you sort of get put on the back burner
Speaker 1: when everything's going fine and dandy for all them, and
Speaker 1: then suddenly they want you around when things have gone
Speaker 1: to shit. And you can see why Zoe is so
Speaker 1: invested because she's the one when Bambi was first born,
Speaker 1: when Tommy fucked off to a boxing camp, that was
Speaker 1: there with Molly looking after this newborn baby for weeks.
Speaker 1: That was all very fascinating because on the documentary they
Speaker 1: shared a couple of clips of Molly when she was
Speaker 1: first postpartum and sharing about how much she struggled with
Speaker 1: motherhood in those early days. And I forgot the fact
Speaker 1: that Tommy literally left the first week of Bambi's life
Speaker 1: to go on this camp and Zoe actually moved into
Speaker 1: the house and was there full time with Molly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like she's really taken on the father figure,
Speaker 1: which we saw when they were organizing Bambie's birthday party.
Speaker 2: So I loved it.
Speaker 1: They had the theme of the Tiger who Comes to Tea.
Speaker 1: It's actually one of Jack's Favorite Books. I was really
Speaker 1: excited to see all the decorations. Anyway, in the book,
Speaker 1: there's obviously a tiger who comes to tea, and Zoey's like, oh,
Speaker 1: is Tommy going to dress up as the tiger? Or
Speaker 1: should I buy the outfit? And then Molly was really
Speaker 1: awkward because you could tell she really wanted Tommy to come.
Speaker 2: Oh, she was desperate for him to be there.
Speaker 1: Betty was using it as an excuse like, Oh, I
Speaker 1: haven't caught up with your family and Zoe doesn't like me.
Speaker 1: So then Zoe ended up dressing up as the tiger,
Speaker 1: and it's so heartbreaking because you can see that Bambi
Speaker 1: thinks it's Tommy. And then when she puts her head
Speaker 1: up and Zoe is revealed, Bamby's like daddy Like, she
Speaker 1: looks so disappointed. That was heartbreaking to watch because there
Speaker 1: was a scene when during the birthday party, Molly lost
Speaker 1: it and she had to move herself from the party
Speaker 1: and go upstairs and cry. And I just felt like
Speaker 1: it was a bit of a cop out from Tommy.
Speaker 1: It is so clear that there is more than just
Speaker 1: olcohol a place oh for this breakup, I mean reading
Speaker 1: between the lines. It sounds like a lot of the
Speaker 1: rumors about his behavior at nightclubs is true. Maybe there
Speaker 1: was some cheating involved, because why else would you not
Speaker 1: want to front up to see someone's family. He has
Speaker 1: clearly fucked up big time. I've also seen some speculation
Speaker 1: that people think that he may have ruined Zoe's wedding.
Speaker 1: Maybe he acted really terribly at that. Well, because he
Speaker 1: got very drunk at that, didn't he Yeah. There was
Speaker 1: also a very tense scene in the kitchen when Molly
Speaker 1: was baking a cake for Bamby's birthday, So Zoe and
Speaker 1: their mum and grandma were all there, and she dropped
Speaker 1: this comment. It was pretty rogue about how, oh, she'll
Speaker 1: have to have a second baby because Bambi loves kids
Speaker 1: so much, and you could just tell Zoe was like
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Like it went down like an absolute
Speaker 1: lead balloon and she was like, hang on, but remember
Speaker 1: you said, this was like, this isn't how it was
Speaker 1: going to be. Well, there's an interesting element to that though,
Speaker 1: because Tommy is part of a traveler family and it
Speaker 1: really seemed like he was the one pushing to have
Speaker 1: children very young, whereas Mollie said.
Speaker 2: She would have been happy to have them when she
Speaker 2: was in her thirties.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we forget that Molly and Tommy
Speaker 1: are only twenty five and twenty six, which also probably
Speaker 1: explained some of the immature behavior that's going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it seems like, you know, when you feel like
Speaker 1: your friend or sibling has been infiltrated by their ex
Speaker 1: and they're clearly doing things to impress them. It's almost
Speaker 1: like Molly is bargaining with him, being like, if we
Speaker 1: get back together, let's have more children.
Speaker 2: That will solve the problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's bizarre that it seems like that she's
Speaker 1: the one bargaining with him, because the whole reason she
Speaker 1: left Tommy was because she needed to be like, nah,
Speaker 1: I'm putting my foot down.
Speaker 2: Your behavior is not acceptable.
Speaker 1: But as you said, there does appear to be this
Speaker 1: back and forth where she never really stood up for herself.
Speaker 1: She's been having little sleepovers because in part one of
Speaker 1: the docco it was kind of like, oh, we're not
Speaker 1: sure if we're going to get back together. You know,
Speaker 1: she we It was clear she desperately him back. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I felt like she had a bit more hand in
Speaker 1: part one, but by part two, she's there ringing him
Speaker 1: on her shoe in Switzerland and she says, I love you,
Speaker 1: and then he hangs up and she has to ring
Speaker 1: him back to get confirmation that he also loves her too.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I feel like there was a bit
Speaker 1: skipped over within that. I think the documentary makers knew
Speaker 1: that the hardcore Molly May fans would be across what
Speaker 1: she was sharing on her YouTube, because she has been
Speaker 1: teasing that they've been having sleepovers and obviously their holiday
Speaker 1: that they've recently gone on. But if you were going
Speaker 1: in blind, you'd be like, hold on a second, I've
Speaker 1: missed something. Why they're suddenly back together. And there was
Speaker 1: a scene when she was speaking to a psychologist about
Speaker 1: how she's been coping with the breakup, and she said
Speaker 1: to the psychologist, Oh, sorry, he keeps calling me, but
Speaker 1: I am going to leave him waiting because he takes
Speaker 1: days to get back to me. And I thought that
Speaker 1: was very insightful because, as you say, he's the one
Speaker 1: that's fucked up, he should be chasing her, not the
Speaker 1: other way around. Yeah, it just seems like they never
Speaker 1: really cut tires properly, But it was all kind of
Speaker 1: for show to the media. I don't think it's a
Speaker 1: PR stunt at all, because I think that this is
Speaker 1: just bad PR for them because originally they work a
Speaker 1: couple goals on Instagram, and I've always wanted to see
Speaker 1: them get back together because I love them on Love
Speaker 1: Island and they seemed so perfect for each other. But
Speaker 1: this doco has really broken that illusion. And I think
Speaker 1: the Molly may Fan in me, I just want Molly
Speaker 1: to be happy, and yeah, it seems like maybe she'll
Speaker 1: be happy at the moment that they're back together and
Speaker 1: having a family together, and I do truly hope it
Speaker 1: works out for them, But I think the cynic in
Speaker 1: me and someone who's had you know, I mean a
Speaker 1: thirty six now had a bit more life experience, knows
Speaker 1: I think it's going to play out the way Zoe
Speaker 1: is saying it's not gonna end. Well, yeah, it seems
Speaker 1: like a bit of a band aid over the situation.
Speaker 1: And in the final episode she told the camera that
Speaker 1: she knows it's going to be rocky and there's going
Speaker 1: to be ups and down, so she's almost predicting all
Speaker 1: of that. Going back to your point about people thinking
Speaker 1: that this is a publicity stunt, I totally agree. I
Speaker 1: don't think that this is a publicity stunt at all.
Speaker 1: I think she was using the me and people's reactions
Speaker 1: to punish Tommy. That was her way of saying, I'm
Speaker 1: not standing for this behavior anymore. Not so much punishing,
Speaker 1: but to say, like this is serious, away from the
Speaker 1: relationship drama. I found it fascinating hearing Molly talk about
Speaker 1: her self confidence. So she was backstage at this Laureal
Speaker 1: fashion parade in Paris and they were basically begging her
Speaker 1: to appear on the runway, and she was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's not for me.
Speaker 2: I just loved it.
Speaker 1: How She's like, I've actually had a baby recently. And
Speaker 1: then she's like, actually that's not true. Bamby's too, And
Speaker 1: she said she's going to be using that excuse until
Speaker 1: Bamby's sixteen for not being in shape. It's sad because
Speaker 1: you can tell that she's not confident in herself at
Speaker 1: the moment. I feel like they kept using all of
Speaker 1: these shots of Kendall Jenner on the runway to drive
Speaker 1: home the pressures of body image in the industry and
Speaker 1: how because I mean, you look at Molly, she's an
Speaker 1: absolutely stunning girl. But then when you look at the
Speaker 1: types of bodies we are seeing on the cat walk,
Speaker 1: you can size zero.
Speaker 2: It's definitely back.
Speaker 1: I mean the ironic thing is the whole fashion show
Speaker 1: supposed to be about promoting different body types, and she
Speaker 1: said it's sad because she just doesn't feel confident or
Speaker 1: comfortable doing that. Yeah, it was so shocking. Also when
Speaker 1: they showed the photos of what Molly May used to
Speaker 1: look like right after being on Love Island with all
Speaker 1: the filler, she looked like a cartoon character. I couldn't
Speaker 1: get over. I don't actually remember her looking like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there were some scenes from her vogs and I mean
Speaker 1: I've been watching her vlogs ever since she left Love Island,
Speaker 1: and I was like, did she really look like that? Like,
Speaker 1: it was weird to see her with Tommy because she's
Speaker 1: had this amazing transformation and she was really one of
Speaker 1: the first influencers to actually have her feeler removed. I
Speaker 1: think she really sparked a trend. I mean, we saw
Speaker 1: a lot of influencers in Australia jumping on board, like
Speaker 1: Shaney Grimmon. I think Sky Wheatley also got hers. I
Speaker 1: mean she had Feller back in but they were really
Speaker 1: dulling it down a bit. I think also the makeup
Speaker 1: was quite shocking for me, because Molly May now has
Speaker 1: this very stripped back, clean girl look. I mean, I
Speaker 1: suppose it's also just the change in what is popular
Speaker 1: makeup wise, but it looked like she'd been shot in
Speaker 1: the face of those.
Speaker 2: Love Island days.
Speaker 1: Again, she was only twenty one, and that was really
Speaker 1: the look of twenty sixteen twenty seventeen. Every woman that
Speaker 1: was on YouTube felt like they had to be some
Speaker 1: sort of makeup artist and do the cut creases and
Speaker 1: the over the top eye shadow. I think one of
Speaker 1: the turning points for Molly was when she started to
Speaker 1: get trolled and be compared to Quagmire. Well, she didn't
Speaker 1: actually know who Quagmyle was, and it was the producers
Speaker 1: they said, oh, have a Google and look at what
Speaker 1: he looks like.
Speaker 2: That was a great moment in the documentary. She's saying, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I can see that.
Speaker 1: She actually said that she could really see the Xbox
Speaker 1: controller and was at that point I'm like, Wow, she's
Speaker 1: really removed from this whole situation. I wonder if it's
Speaker 1: because it's almost like looking at a different person, because
Speaker 1: I didn't recognize her. I think it's because that image
Speaker 1: of herself seemed like it was from so long ago,
Speaker 1: when she doesn't associate with that person anymore. It would
Speaker 1: be different if she couldn't reverse a lot of those procedures.
Speaker 1: It's lucky that they were just filler and botox, which
Speaker 1: you can remove. Well. She actually ended up thanking Zoe
Speaker 1: and saying she was the one that told her the
Speaker 1: truth about Hey, you know this doesn't act.
Speaker 2: She looked great, looked a lot better before now.
Speaker 1: The same day the doco dropped, Tommy ended up winning
Speaker 1: his fight in his boxing return after an eighteen month
Speaker 1: hiatus due to an injury, and he ended up dedicating
Speaker 1: the win to Molly May.
Speaker 2: This is what he said.
Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you for his victories
Speaker 1: of a lotav Jesus Christ, but none of this would
Speaker 1: be possible.
Speaker 3: I want to say, I though to beat for me
Speaker 3: to go about me home, my sweet Molly. She'd always
Speaker 3: be my forever.
Speaker 1: This brings me back to the era when Tommy had
Speaker 1: Molly and his soft toy elephant Ellie Belly as an
Speaker 1: emblem on his boxing uniform, and I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this guy is totally whipped, but clearly not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is why I'm so torn about them getting back together,
Speaker 1: because there was that really sweet side where they seemed
Speaker 1: to really get each other's sense of humor. He was
Speaker 1: really around the soft toy characters that she had.
Speaker 2: Also, he was loud and proud that he was with her.
Speaker 1: What was going to be really interesting to see how
Speaker 1: it all plays out because Tommy's got his own BBC
Speaker 1: documentary coming out called Tommy The Good, The Bad, the Fury,
Speaker 1: and apparently we get to go behind the scenes as
Speaker 1: he gets his career back on track and also his life,
Speaker 1: and they have teased it's going to explore his love
Speaker 1: life with Molly May. That is one thing that surprised
Speaker 1: me about Part two. I thought that Tommy might have
Speaker 1: popped up in maybe the last episode of this series
Speaker 1: and we might have seen them together. Clearly he was
Speaker 1: saving it for this documentary. I question how much reality
Speaker 1: we're going to get from Tommy's documentary because we heard
Speaker 1: Zoe coming back at Molly basically saying, you know, I
Speaker 1: was there for the nights when you couldn't sleep, and
Speaker 1: you're phoning me up, inferring that those were times when
Speaker 1: Tommy was out and about and she didn't know who
Speaker 1: he was with. We're not going to be seeing that,
Speaker 1: ah we.
Speaker 2: Well, no, because it is a post breakup doc ho.
Speaker 1: I think we're going to hear a lot about his
Speaker 1: problems with alcohol, but I don't think we're going to
Speaker 1: hear about how.
Speaker 2: They caused other issues.
Speaker 1: They're going to try and give him a redemption arc
Speaker 1: where we see him really work through his mental health
Speaker 1: and become this guy that Molly has always dreamt.
Speaker 2: That he'll be. But I don't know if everyone will
Speaker 2: buy it.
Speaker 1: No. Well, that doco is coming out later this year,
Speaker 1: and I think we'll need another girl's night to dissect
Speaker 1: it all and enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had.
Speaker 1: I had everyone over to my house on Friday night
Speaker 1: as soon as the Molly Made documentary dropped. There was
Speaker 1: so much fun. I just wish there were more episodes.
Speaker 1: I know everyone is saying, oh, this isn't really a documentary.
Speaker 1: It's a reality show. And as a reality show fan,
Speaker 1: I loved every second. But I don't care if it
Speaker 1: was fickle or if there wasn't much to it. One
Speaker 1: thing we haven't spoken about. I know you do want
Speaker 1: to go Kate, but is the horse riding scene. Oh,
Speaker 1: I was really shaken by that. I was like, God,
Speaker 1: that could have ended really.
Speaker 2: Badly for some reason. I don't know if you've felt
Speaker 2: this too.
Speaker 1: Molly seemed to have Princess Diana ARBs throut this documentary
Speaker 1: one because the paparazzi kept.
Speaker 2: Following her everywhere. They followed her.
Speaker 1: To her horse riding lessons, and I have to say
Speaker 1: that I felt like they were to blame for the
Speaker 1: reaction of the horse. Oh, definitely, because they were snapping
Speaker 1: photos of her on this horse and this was like
Speaker 1: a thoroughbread It didn't look like just some pony that
Speaker 1: you'd practice on. This horse went nuts and she fell
Speaker 1: off and looked like she whacked into Yeah.
Speaker 2: She's thrown off really. Yeah, I was shocked.
Speaker 1: She was okay after that incident, and she got.
Speaker 2: Back up on the horse as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as the saying goes, but yeah, the paparazzi really
Speaker 1: seemed to be to blame for that, and they seem
Speaker 1: to be absolutely hounding her in a similar way that
Speaker 1: they hounded Princess Diana.
Speaker 2: I also think I got Princess Diana.
Speaker 1: Vibes because of the photo shoot she did in Switzerland
Speaker 1: when she was on the ski slopes, and that's again
Speaker 1: where Princess Diana was hounded. Also, I think because at
Speaker 1: the time of Molly and Tommy's breakup back in August,
Speaker 1: the media compared their breakup to Princess Diana and Prince Charles,
Speaker 1: which some are questioning saying that that's just ridiculous. Sophia,
Speaker 1: I'm going to wrap you up because I feel like
Speaker 1: you could talk about this doc o for the rest
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