WEBVTT - Molly Mae and Zoe Rae Clash Over Tommy Fury 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:05.400 Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:09.200 hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.680 Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, the ugly 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:16.640 truth behind Molly May and Tommy Fury's reunion and Indy 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:20.960 Clinton's PR stunt is exposed. But first, Olivia Rodgers's ex 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:24.279 husband Justin mckinn has welcomed a baby boy with his 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.840 Bachelor Contestant girlfriend Tany Leeson. I was really surprised when 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.360 I saw this announcement pop up on Instagram because he 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:34.120 was born nearly four weeks early. So Tani chose Mother's 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:37.479 Day to announce the arrival of Arlo Leson McKean, who 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:39.879 was born on the twenty eighth of April. Thoughts on 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.280 the name, so, I like the name. Amy has a 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.160 couple of kids in her friendship group with the name Arlo, 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:48.800 and I've always thought it was very cute. It's quite unique. 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:50.600 But then I don't think it's been overdone. 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:52.000 Oh see, I actually. 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:53.920 Think that there are so many Arlo's at the moment. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:55.960 I mean, as you said, there's a few names friendship 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:56.680 group alone. 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:58.240 I know a lot of dogs called Arlo. 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.760 And then Sarah's Day has recently had so I think 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.200 it's a name that is very popular, and I think 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:04.759 there's going to be a lot of Arlo's in our 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.520 son's grades at school. I haven't seen it popping up 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.280 in the most popular boys' names list, though, so I 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.120 feel like maybe it was a name that was quite 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:15.080 popular a couple of years ago. I was surprised they 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.560 went with a hyphenated surname. I thought it might just 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:20.080 be McKean. I really wasn't surprised by it at all. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.440 I think it reflects where they are in their relationship. 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:26.640 They split up before the public announcement of this baby 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.000 news and seem to get back together because of it. 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.720 They're not married, and I don't think that she perhaps 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.920 knows necessarily where she stands in this relationship going forward, 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:40.280 particularly with the fact that Justin maybe going to prison soon. Yeah. Well, 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:43.839 he is facing allegations of stealing almost half a million 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:47.400 dollars from his former employee erh He hasn't appeared at 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.480 the last two hearings, so we don't really know what's 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.680 going on with that. And I found it interesting because 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:56.600 there was actually no reference to Justin in Tarani's announcement posts. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:00.720 So she uploaded twelve photos in a carousel, and Justin 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:03.480 featured in the background of two of them where he 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.000 was supporting Taranni throughout the labor. So he was definitely 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.600 at the labor, but there wasn't a photo of him 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.160 with his son and also with Taranni. I don't think 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:15.080 that that is necessarily reflective of whether they're together or not. 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:19.400 I think that Tani and Justin would realize that the 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.480 media would jump on this photo op and they would 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.520 splash a photo of the three of them all over 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.680 their news website. So I think by her posting alone, 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.359 it doesn't attract as much attention. But they already did 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.880 a photo shoot when they announced the pregnancy. Yeah, but 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.040 I think now that the writing is somewhat on the 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.480 wall over this court case and he's been a no 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.920 show that he doesn't want to attract even more attention 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:44.240 to it. I totally disagree the writing was on the 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.240 wall when they made the pregnancy announcement. He had shut 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.600 down his Instagram account. He actually returned to Instagram to 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:54.080 be a collaborator on this pregnancy announcement post. He's not 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:57.640 a collaborator on the birth announcement. Yeah, but at the 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:00.040 time it was also looking like he was going to 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.800 try and fight these claims against him, but subsequently he 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:03.800 hasn't appeared in court. 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:05.600 His legal team have dropped him. 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:07.320 But I don't think that's got anything to do with it. 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.040 I think that something potentially could be going on with 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.480 him and Tarny because he hasn't even commented on the post, 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.040 which is unusual because he's commented on her last three posts. 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.640 It's a bit strange. I mean, his Instagram bio says 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.840 Arlo's dad in it. I just think it's a bit 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.760 murky about what's going on between them, and I feel 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.680 really sorry for Tarani because she needs so much support 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.200 at the moment. She shared in the announcement post that 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.720 it wasn't the best entry into motherhood because Arlo was 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:37.360 experiencing breathing difficulty shortly after he was born, and the 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.760 poor thing had to spend ten days in the hospital. 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:42.600 Fortunately he's now home and it's been two weeks and 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.680 he's doing really well. Batani wrote, no one can prepare 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.400 you to go through the all consuming and emotional experience 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.320 of childbirth, only to watch this tiny little boy being 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:54.520 wheeled away from you mere hours later, then the hours 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:56.880 upon hours I spent in hospital just holding him in 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.360 my arms, never wanting to leave, and crying when I 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.160 had to. Hasn't this poor girl gone through enough? It 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.360 would be such a difficult time with everything going on 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.480 in the background with Justin, and then to have your 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:11.040 baby arrive four weeks early. I do wonder if since 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:13.960 the birth of this child things have turned even more 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.800 south with their relationship. I mean, the baby Arlo was 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.800 born on the twenty eighth of April. She made the 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.240 announcement on the eleventh of May. That's a couple of 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:25.000 weeks in between. Maybe since he was born, Justin has 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:26.880 been absent and that's why she hasn't wanted to. 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:28.240 Include him in the Instagram. Yeah. 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.279 Look, I don't want to speculate because it's obviously a 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.159 really difficult time for them. I mean, he was born 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.360 in a Perth hospital, which is where Justin. He's relocated 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:40.000 from Melbourne to Perth. Tiny's been there with him. But yeah, 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:41.680 I mean, I hope things are okay with them. As 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.039 I said, Tiny really needs a support at this time. 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.800 I also think potentially Justin is just wanting to keep 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:50.400 an incredibly low profile with everything going on again, I 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:52.440 don't think they should have done the pregnancity photo shoot 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.159 because the news are reporting on this and they're just 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:55.560 using those photos. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.080 Good knowing good first day. 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.960 A video of Indy clint and supposedly meeting a coworker 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:05.080 at her new corporate gig is going viral on TikTok. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.240 It comes a month after an anonymous user uploaded a 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.479 video of Indy appearing to be in the middle of 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.640 a job interview. So this second TikTok has all but 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.359 confirmed that this is a publicity stunt. I mean, we 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.600 all smelled a rat when that first video went viral 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.960 a month ago, but this definitely removes any seed of doubt. 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.240 In this new video, the office worker just happened to 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:29.040 be randomly filming herself typing on the computer at work 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:33.640 when her unexpected new coworker aka Indie Clinton sat down 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.880 next to her, and similar to the last video, the 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:41.279 interaction was uploaded to TikTok by a supposed anonymous user 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.320 whose account had no other posts. 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:44.880 Now, this did make. 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:48.800 Sense for the initial video because the office worker in 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:50.880 that video was acting as though they didn't want to 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.960 be caught out by their boss for secretly filming Indy 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:57.000 in the middle of a job interview. But in this case, 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.120 the office worker clearly didn't care about her idea to 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.159 d being revealed because her face was front and center 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.720 in this whole clip. None of it makes sense because 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:09.240 if we actually believed this first video that came out, 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.400 then surely that office worker would have been hauled in 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:14.719 by the boss and said, how dare you share this video? 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.480 People are not to be talking about it, and there 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.480 would have been discussion in the office. Okay, Indy Clinton 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.159 has this job. No one is to film her for 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:24.719 this second video to come out. 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:26.600 It's just so obvious. Yeah. 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.640 Well, over the top of the video, the office worker wrote, 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.640 point of view, your new co worker is Indy Clinton. 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:36.880 Let's have it listened to the awkward exchange between Indy 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:38.520 and this coworker in the video. 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:49.920 Hi, oh you good? Are you you? Yeah? Hannah good? 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:51.960 Are you on this team? 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:52.719 Oh? 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:53.000 Wow? 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:54.440 Do I know you from? 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:56.320 I know you work there? 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:57.359 Oh my god? 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:59.080 You know how to get into your computer? 0:06:59.600 --> 0:06:59.800 Yeah? 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:04.200 I got the pines go for lunch? 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:05.039 I think so? 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:05.440 Yeah? 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:06.480 Okay, do you want to come? 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:06.960 Yeah? 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.960 Okay, yeah, of course, anytime. No worries leving on if 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:10.600 you need anything. 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.520 I love that Indy has her priorities right. She was 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.400 asking about what is happening for lunch even before she. 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:19.640 Was logged onto her computer. 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.280 I mean, that's just good office comraderie. I still remember 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.520 starting a job and they set me up with this 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.400 buddy who was meant to look after me, and rather 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.360 than taking me out to lunch, it was her birthday 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:30.800 and she went out to lunch with all the other 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:32.040 girls in the office and left. 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:33.640 Me by myself. That is just mean. 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:35.640 I feel like when anyone is new, you've got to 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:37.360 let them come along with you. You've got to introduce 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.560 them to everyone. Now, this video quickly attracted over one 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:44.000 point nine million views, eighty four thousand likes, and over 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.400 one thousand, six hundred sent on, so there was a 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:50.200 massive reaction to this video. However, I was surprised to 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.160 see that not everyone cottoned on to the fact that 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.280 this is a marketing stunt that we're all watching unfold 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.120 one years of road. Imagine Indy just trying to fit 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:01.440 in and see her co worker posted a video of 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.280 her on her first day loll and that comment got 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.600 over five thousand likes. Whilst another said I'm sure Indy 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.480 is thrilled to be filmed without her knowledge, while another 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.120 said does she know you did this? 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:13.240 Just wondering. 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.160 I mean, you can see why marketing campaigns like this work. 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.120 I mean, we're all saying, oh, it's so obvious that 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.360 it's a PR stunt, but we've got a background in 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.080 PR and marketing. When it comes to TikTok, there's not 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.200 a lot of background on things, so people just take 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:27.360 this sort of stuff of verbatim or There were a 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.080 lot of followers who were commenting their concern for some 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:30.800 people having no. 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:32.240 Critical thinking skills. 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:34.760 One user wrote, come on, guys, you've got to find 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.800 a way to decipher real verse stage videos. Now. Most 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.160 people did cotton on to the fact that this is 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.040 a publicity's done and thought that this was marketing genius. 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.000 One user wrote, the marketing girl is no, this is 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:49.240 a teaser, but we stand regardless. I mean, it's pretty 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.360 clear that the marketing team we're trying to drop more 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.880 clues in this video, because you could tell that the 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.600 office had something to do with skincare or cosmetics because 0:08:56.600 --> 0:09:00.400 they were shelves bursting with products in the background. Did 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.360 predict last month. This has all the telltale signs of 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:07.120 a TBH skincare stunt, because in early twenty twenty four, 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.319 Indy was accused of being involved in a different PR 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.080 stunt with the brand, and that's when she accidentally leaked 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.200 one of their unreleased products in a daily vlog. So 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.800 that leak got a lot of media attention. It actually 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:22.719 created unprecedented exposure for the brand, and TBH had a 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.319 very sleek PR response on TikTok, which made people dubious. 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.800 One of their most popular videos showed the marketing manager 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:33.720 calling up tbh's founder Rachel Wilde and breaking the news 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.319 to her, and then the team claimed to have this 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.680 emergency meeting the next day and they brought the launch 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:44.080 forward and that ended up actually being tbh's most successful 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.679 product launched due to all of the exposure basically from 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:51.040 the media about this idiot influencer who leaked the new 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.400 brand to everyone. Yeah, they're very well known for their 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.520 gorilla marketing tactics. In terms of what's going on with 0:09:56.720 --> 0:10:00.960 this publicity stunt, is clear Indy is releasing a line 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.520 or a product through TBH, and it seems like the 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.440 company have been so kind to throw us an Easter Eggs. 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.320 So when I first looked at the TikTok username, I 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.640 thought it was just some random numbers and letters, but no, 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.440 super Sluice have realized that it's a clue about the 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.880 product's release date. So the username is B twenty seven 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.960 five two zero two five H, So that gives us 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.199 the release date of the twenty seventh of May twenty 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:28.240 twenty five. This is what I call marketing juniors. There 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.120 is also a secondary clue in there. So the TikTok 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.640 username started with a B and ended with an H, which, 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:37.200 funnily enough, that's my husband's initials. He has nothing to 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:40.360 do with this, So Influencer Updates has cracked the code 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:43.120 for us On this one. She shared that she believes 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.960 the b H stands for Booth Hair, and she then 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.760 shared a follow up screenshot of boof Hair's new Instagram account, 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:55.320 which happens to only follow tbh's founder Rachel Wild. Oh wow, 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.080 and so far the account has only three posts. So 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.160 one of the posts is a video you showing a 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.800 clock ticking with the caption set your alarms with the 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:07.120 twenty seventh of May twenty twenty five. So again it 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.920 reiterates that launch date in the TikTok use a name. 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.400 The second post shows someone's hair being brushed, and the 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.640 third is a close up shot of red packaging with 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.400 the caption did your hair go Poof? We're here to 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.240 make it go Boof. Now. To me, it sounds like 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:26.760 this product is potentially for postpartum hair loss, which would 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:28.800 make Indy, who is a mum of three, the perfect 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:30.840 face for it. God, I mean, I hope it's a 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.240 good product because I am experiencing that at the moment 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:36.000 and it is a pain in the ass. Yeah. Well, 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:37.880 I mean, I haven't given birth yet and my hair 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:39.800 is in the best condition that it's been in for 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:42.000 a while. Enjoy that, and I know that it's just 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.599 going to snap off instantly when I give birth or 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:45.680 I stop breastfeeding. 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:46.640 The worst bit is. 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:48.640 I always just pull my hair back now, and then 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:50.960 I've got these little bits that just will not pull back. 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:51.760 They look ridiculous. 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.000 And I don't have time to blow dry my hair either, 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:57.320 so it's just very unruly. Well. On the Instagram account, 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.520 there is a link to Boof's new website and it 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.320 takes you to a landing page which says hi you've 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.640 reached booth. We're not available right now, but if you 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.360 leave your email and telephone number will be in touch. 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.360 And it then asked the public to subscribe to be 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:12.720 the first to find out about the new hair care line. 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:15.800 So I am guessing that Indy is the face of 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.240 this new line. I don't necessarily think she has a 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.320 financial stake in this business, but I think that this 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:25.880 whole marketing campaign has been genius, because when else would 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.360 we be talking about the fact that my tbh is 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.960 launching a new hair care line? Who really cares? Yeah, 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.120 hats off to them. Everyone is playing along at home. 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.000 I've really enjoyed it. It will be interesting to see if 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.760 that converts to sales like it did for the original 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.079 publicity Start with Indy Clinton, I. 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:43.200 Actually don't hate you in the slightest like I feel 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:44.080 like you actually hate me. 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.280 Molly May and Tommy Fury are officially back together. Molly 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.720 broke the worst kept secret in part two of her 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:54.000 prime doco Behind it All. While fans were thrilled about 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:57.520 the reconciliation, one member of the family couldn't hide their 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:01.640 true feelings. Molly's older sisters Ray is not happy about 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.800 the reunion no, and she didn't hold back sharing her 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.960 concerns directly with her sister and also the world. So 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.920 Zoe was upfront saying that she didn't believe Tommy had 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.760 resolved his issues with alcohol, and she said that she 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.880 hoped her sister would make the right decision and feared 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.520 their relationship would be damaged if she got back with 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.760 the boxer. Mollie May also conceded to the film crew 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.840 that navigating her relationship with Zoe was the trickiest it 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.680 had ever been. A lot of people have described Zoe 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:32.439 as the hero of this documentary for being the only 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.640 person to give it straight to Molly May. Oh, you 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.800 can tell that Molly May is just surrounded by yes people, 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.440 and Zoe is the only person that has the balls 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:45.040 to say, hey, I don't think this is a good idea. 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.160 Everyone is talking about the scene in the car with 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:49.840 the sisters, which I think is probably one of the 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:53.000 most relatable scenes of this whole documentary. Last time they 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.160 were in the car singing to the Saddle Club theme song. 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.640 This time they were having a heated argument about Molly's 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:02.240 relationship with Tommy off the back of that much publicized 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.000 New Year's Eve kiss. Isn't that just sisterhood? One day 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:06.679 you're singing in the saddle clubs, next day you're having 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:08.280 a big argument. You know, Well, it doesn't even have 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.120 to be a different day. It can be within half 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.000 an hour of each other. Well, on the topic of 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:15.079 that New Year's kiss, I love seeing behind the scenes 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.840 of the crisis phone call with Fran. You could tell 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.360 that she was so embarrassed. She looked sheepish about the 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.440 whole thing. Oh she did, and it's like she didn't 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:23.240 want to admit to anyone. 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:24.160 She said, Oh, Tommy was. 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:25.920 Only there for ten minutes at the end, which kind 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.280 of made it sound even worse. Oh yeah, because there 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:31.720 was this whole rhetoricon line that they'd been seen flirting 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:32.080 all night. 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:33.200 She's like, that's not true. 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.000 He literally arrived like ten minutes before the countdown, which 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:36.360 I'm like. 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:38.160 Baby, it kind of makes it look worse. 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.760 Yeah, he and it took him ten minutes to persuade 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:42.400 you to have this New Year's Eve kiss in front 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.320 of all of these people. Also, how Molly trusted everyone 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.400 that was there at the party, but then it still 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:49.800 ended up in the press. I felt really sorry for her. 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.400 How good was it when Fran told her to go 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:54.440 pour herself a stiff drink and she got out of 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.040 fruit box. This is what makes her so relatable. At 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:58.960 the end of the day, you could tell Zoe wasn't 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:00.840 too happy about it because she gave up her New 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.360 Year's Eve to babysit Bamby so Molly could go to 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.120 this party and she ended up kissing Tommy, who she's 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.040 not happy with. Yeah, and she threw it in her 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.000 face in the car like all good sisters do. And 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.520 she asked Molly if she regretted it or felt embarrassed, 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.120 and I was like, oh my god, that is not 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.080 going to anyway. Yeah. Well, I feel sorry for Zoe because, 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:20.760 as she said, she's just sick of having to be 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.040 the one to pick up the pieces. Let's throw to 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:24.360 more of that exchange. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:26.160 We just maybe don't speak about. 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.320 No, I don't feel comfortable not talking about because sisters 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:29.960 need to be able to tell each other everything, all right, 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:30.960 So then I need to be able to tell you 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.400 the good, bad and the ugly. Your relationship and how 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:36.160 you feel and how you are with Tommy is my 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:37.120 only concern. 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:38.400 But what a lovely life you have. 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:42.600 Nothing I do or say she was going to change 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.240 what you do or your opinion or how you feel 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.440 towards him. Correct, and you know what's sorry, that's the 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:51.120 wisest thing I think you've upset. I know, at some 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.280 point p in the next year, however long it is, 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.200 there will be a time where, unfortunately, and I hate 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:56.760 to say, you probably will be upset again. 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.200 I've seen a bit of a mixed response around Molly 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.320 saying to Zoe, well, what a lovely life you have 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.720 if that's your only worry, and people are saying, oh, 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.600 it's actually very commendable of Zoe to be concerned about 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.600 Molly and her relationship. But as someone who has sisters, 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:14.480 I read that line differently because I think that Molly 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:19.080 feels very judged by Zoe, and she is saying to her, well, 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.240 you're coming from this position of having this very healthy, 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:27.000 happy relationship. I mean, Zoe recently got married and her 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.440 life probably to Molly seems very easy and picture perfect, 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.440 very stable. Yeah, very stable, and Molly saying well, I'm 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.080 so sorry that you've got everything put together and I don't. Yeah. 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.120 I feel bad for Zoe because she's been copying some 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.760 backlash on TikTok. People have complaining that she needs to 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:44.080 back off and let Molly live her own life. It's clear, 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.040 as you said so, that those people don't have sisters, 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:50.160 because someone who understands that sister dynamic. Zoe just wants 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:53.040 what's best for Molly and it's not Tommy. I mean, 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.720 I'm sad to say that because I've always loved Tommy 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:59.240 and Molly together, but it's quite clear that he's really 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:01.840 hurt her. I think she's just taking him back way 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.960 too quickly. I can see it from Molly's perspective, though, 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.800 because I've been in that scenario where you really want 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:10.680 to take someone back and you're in the position because 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.640 I almost feel like Molly's in the position where she's 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:15.760 been somewhat begging Tommy even though it really should be 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:19.200 the other way around, and you feel embarrassed because you 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.560 know that everyone's judging you for it, but that's what 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.720 your heart wants, even though it doesn't seem right. 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:24.520 Yeah. 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.159 I mean again, I've been in a toxic relationship in 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.520 my early twenties and I dated someone who treated me terribly, 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.880 and you guys were very much in Zoe's position where 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.760 you hated him and you're well within your rights too, 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.359 But when you actually care about the person, you end 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:40.960 up forgiving them. Well, that's the worst thing as a sister, 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:43.600 when you can just see that someone is bad news. Yeah, 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.080 but the thing is you forgive them, but your sisters don't. 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:48.920 So that's the position that Zoe's in. She's heard all 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:51.560 of this terrible stuff that Tommy has done because Molly said, 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.680 I've told her everything and she can't forgive them and 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:54.439 she doesn't have to. 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:56.960 Yeah. For Zoe, she doesn't have the emotional. 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.119