WEBVTT - Sophie Cachia's Online Stoush, Karina Irby's First Class Fail & Sarah's Day Gets Baptised 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:07.280 On today's show, Sophie Casia's online staus with an influencer 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:12.200 gossip page, Karina Irby's first world travel problems, Sarah's Day 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:16.439 gets baptized at Pentecostal church, and Sammy Robinson has sparked 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:22.720 rumors she's dating a US influencer. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.640 It's your dose of the hottest influenza and pop culture 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:29.080 news twice a week now. Sarah's Day and her husband 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:33.040 Kurt Tills revealed they got baptized over the weekend. The 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:36.839 ceremony took place at a Pentecostal church called Glow. Now, 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:40.280 So if I wouldn't describe Glow as a traditional church, yeah, 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.440 that's right. The church is distinctly marketed as being a 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:46.800 cool church for young people and instead of hymns and organs, 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:51.240 they have these full indie rock bands performing Christian worship songs. 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:54.480 The church also has a very slick social media presence, 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.600 with posters and billboards for Glow popping up around the 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:01.120 CBD and a lot of inner city suburbs of across Australia. 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.520 And it's all about rebranding religion to a new demographic. 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:06.039 So Glow says that Whilst they're a. 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:08.440 Church for all generations, they find that it's a lot 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.000 of young families and adults in their late twenties and 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.440 early thirties who are in high attendance at these services. 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:16.840 This sounds very different to the church we used to 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.640 go to Sunday School at. I do remember a time 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:21.720 amy where you refused to go in, and then we 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:23.959 never had to go again. I think we only really 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:25.640 went to general. We went to youth group for a while, 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:27.399 and it was really only for the food. Yeah, they 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.720 do a great spread at youth group. Maybe that's what 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.240 Glow has, luring people in with food. Maybe not Sarah's 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.520 Damien ever got healthy carrot sticks for something. I think 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:37.880 they're luring people in with something else because it might 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.000 surprise some of Sarah's followers to find out that Glow 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.600 is actually a Pentecostal church. And The Age wrote a 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.280 feature on glowback in twenty twenty and they describe the 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.600 church as being a recent entrance into the field of 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.040 successful Pentecostal megachurches. 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:55.680 Like can I ask what is a Pentecostal church? 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.000 I've only heard the word because isn't it the church 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.280 that Scomo used to go to Yeah, there was a 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.600 lot of controversy in the lead up to the election 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.640 which did focus on Scott Morrison's faith and the fact 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.200 that he was part of a Pentecostal church. And the 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.640 most famous Pentecostal church is Heelsong and there has been 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:16.280 a lot documented about that church. So back to your question, Amy, Basically, 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.880 the movement is a form of Christianity and they believe 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.960 that faith must be powerfully experienced and not something found 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:27.760 merely through ritual or thinking. So its members believe that 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.840 they are driven by the power of God moving within them. 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:35.160 So controversially, the movement promotes speaking in tongues as well 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:39.440 as supernatural healing and other manifestations of the Holy Spirit. 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:41.600 And it is not always. 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:44.360 Easy to determine if a church is a Pentecostal church 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.440 because many don't include the word in their name. 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:49.360 Is that because it's got a bad rap? 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:52.640 I think so, because on Glow's website and social media 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.760 channels they don't refer to themselves as a Pentecostal church. 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:57.800 However, it does say. 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.080 On the website that the movement believes in miracles. I 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.280 feel like listeners have to take a shot every time 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.000 you say Pentecostal I've ever heard. 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:07.480 Well, if you think back to. 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.000 All those images of Heillsong and everyone's got their hands 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.680 up and everyone's very energetic, that's a sort of church. 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.720 This is. I remember Guy Sebastian was a big part 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:17.840 of Hillsong, Like I only heard about Hillsong because of 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:19.720 him back when he was on Australian idol, And I 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:22.240 think there was a lot of famous people connected to 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.560 these sorts of churches. Another giveaway that Glow is a 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:29.799 Pentecostal church is its heavy focus on baptism. So over 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.839 the weekend, Sarah and Kurt revealed that they got baptized, 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.680 and this stood out to me as Sarah in particular 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.400 has spoken in the past about her faith and how 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.360 it's something that she grew up with. It sounded like 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.120 her family were heavily religious, so I was like, hold 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.560 on a second, why wasn't she baptized as a child, 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.080 And then when I looked into the Pentecostal faith, it 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:53.320 made a lot more sense because Pentecostals believe that baptism 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.640 is only for the believers, so they don't practice baptism 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:00.560 in infants because they can't make that decision them and 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:04.120 in order to be baptized, you have to repent your sins, 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.600 you have to understand the faith, so all of the 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:10.080 candidates must be adults, or at least at an age 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.120 where they can make that decision themselves. Yeah. I did 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.080 think it was weird because I assumed that she would 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.560 have been baptized as a child. And I first saw 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.440 Kurt share the update and I was like, Oh, he 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.679 must be having to be baptized to join Sarah's faith. 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:24.840 But then when I saw her in the little bathing 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:26.640 pool as well, I was like, what was it just 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:28.680 me or did you guys not realize that they actually 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:33.120 fully went into a pool. Okay, that's also another giveaway 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.120 that it's a Pentecostal baptism, because, as you say in 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:40.440 the photos, Sarah showed herself being baptized in this large 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:43.559 blow up pool and there was this Neon sign above 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.279 it that said real, Bold and Love. 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.000 It was this very cool kind of setup. 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:50.040 There were even like lights and a video camera and 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.800 Sarah was wearing a shirt that said brand new. 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:55.560 And the reason it was done in. 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.880 This big pool is because as part of the faith, 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:01.599 you have to be submerged totally in water, so that's 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.359 why she was so soaking wet. I have flashbacks to 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.000 on The Simpsons where ned Flanders was trying to baptize 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.120 Lisa and Barr and he took them down to the river. 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:11.760 There is a scene also in My Big Fat Greek 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.920 Wedding when Aiden, you know, from Sex and the City, 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.880 gets baptized in a pool as well. Well. Yeah, because 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.760 a lot of the time at Pentecostal churches they either 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.159 have a special tank or an outdoor baptism pond. Obviously, 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:27.720 this cool new church they've just got to blow up. 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.600 Paul Well in the post, Sarah wrote an extra special 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.840 Sunday today. After praying hard about this for a few years, 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.240 today both Kurt and I got water baptized. It was 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.120 such an honor to do something so special and powerful 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.560 with my husband. She really is going down that route 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.960 of Christian influence, isn't she with this latest update. Well, 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:50.640 particularly because the Pentecostal faith is all about preaching the 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.600 Word of God, and we have definitely seen an influx 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:55.800 of her sharing that type of messaging on her page 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.520 ever since her wedding, and I feel like perhaps she's 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:00.839 been working on this in the background. I remember when 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.559 Sarah shared a vlog of her buying her holiday house 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:05.919 that her and Kurt were reading the Bible, and I 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:07.920 thought at the time that was strange, But obviously there's 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:09.440 a lot that they need to do in order to 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:13.000 become to the point that they get baptized. Away from 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.360 Sarah and Kurt with this issue, I just find the 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:20.840 whole thing weird, Like how this share no, not the 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:24.719 religion side, but the marketing side of this church. Because 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:28.440 I looked at Glow's Instagram account, which Sarah actually didn't tag, 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:32.400 Kurt tagged it, and they appeared to be spooking baptism. 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:37.719 So there's this really weird video where this pastor is 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.600 standing out the front saying, come on everyone, let's play 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:41.599 the clip because I can't. 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:42.919 Give it justice. 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.800 We also let an incredible where celebrating all those that 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:49.960 now baptizing at our Shire and West locations this morning. Guys, 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:52.920 if you missed out five thirty pm at the City, 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:54.160 you can get baptized. 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.680 You, your family, anyone you know, just come on over. 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:58.160 We can't wait to celebrate with you days. 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.120 See that confuses because I thought, by hearing more about 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.240 this religion that people had to be at a certain 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.400 level of understanding to be baptized, particularly because they have 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.360 to wait until they're an adult to accept it. But 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.520 that's spooking as like a you know, come down, everyone's 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.160 getting baptized today. It reminds me of on Oprah, like 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.080 the Christmas special you'll get a car and you'll get 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.280 you get baptized. Well, that's what I feel uncomfortable about 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.120 because I feel like it's a total money making scheme. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.360 Because when I looked at the Instagram stories, you could 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.080 see that there's professional lights and cameras setup. We've also 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:32.040 clearly seen that in order to get baptized, you have 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.280 to buy one of the you know, new new shirts 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:36.240 to be baptized in. 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:37.600 It feels like there's a lot. 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.320 Of money passing hands in order to have this happen. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.440 You're also encouraged to invite lots of people you know, 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:44.280 to come down what. 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:45.160 You be baptized. 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.200 The thing is, I don't think churches charged for baptisms. 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.360 I think stay charged for a while. No, that's not true. 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.600 They pass out a collection plate. There's a lot of 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.600 money passing hands in churches, particularly if you want to 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.400 hold an event there. It's like, oh, will you have 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.640 to make a special contribution towards the church. People aren't 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.560 getting these things for free well, in terms of these 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.800 Pentecostal churches. So there was an article done on Hellsong 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:08.800 and it said that Hillsong is said to bring in 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.560 eighty percent of its revenue through music and other merchandise 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:14.520 sales and the rest of the twenty percent is through 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:17.320 the collection. So it's clear that there are money making 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.120 schemes in place, and the marketing is very important to 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:23.520 these churches, particularly because they're tapping into an audience of 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:27.280 young people who are finding faith. Well, Hillsong is a 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.880 very influential church. I mean, it's got the likes of 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.200 the Karashians and Justin Bieber being a part of the church, 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.080 and they obviously bring with them a lot of money 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.480 and so too to people like Sarah and Kurt. I mean, 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.840 I'm sure that this Globe church is very happy to 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.840 have them on their books. Well, it doesn't concern me 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:47.280 because Hillsong has been called Australia's most powerful brand and 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:49.880 a money making machine. It's also been called a cult. 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.000 So I don't know, feel a bit uncomfortable with some 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.640 of these mega churches popping up around the country and 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.440 spooking themselves the way that they're doing on social media. 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.040 Sarah was doing a speech at this church not that 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:02.560 long ago. 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:03.920 Remember she was interviewed. 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:05.880 Well, I find it very odd that she does speak 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.000 a lot about her faith, but she hasn't opened up 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.080 about being a follower of the Pentecostal movement because it 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:15.880 is incredibly unpopular due to the controversy around speaking in 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.920 tongues and healing, particularly when you know, we spoke about 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.400 in our recent Sera's Day's Deep Dive about how she 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.360 copped criticism for saying that she healed her cervical displacier. 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.680 Maybe she feels a bit uncomfortable because people might connect. 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:28.520 The dots and the healing. 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:32.720 Surely she's vlogged the baptism. I think she wouldn't. I 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.520 feel like she'd been keeping far away. 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:35.280 From that on that. 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:38.440 Firstly, I do remember in that video about her healing 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:42.080 her cervix quote unquote, that she mentioned that her mother 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.440 prayed over her, and again that's a big part of 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.839 that Pentecostal church. Secondly, on your point, Amy, I feel 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:49.360 like if she does share it, this will be a 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.240 big turning point for her channel and a big move 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.920 for her to become more in the American influencer space. 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.520 Hey guys, long time no speak. 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:04.160 Sammy Robinson has sparked rumors she's dating US influencer and 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:05.600 model Jay Alvarez. 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:07.280 Sophie. What's got everyone talking? 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:09.920 Well, Sammy has been holidaying in the US for a 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.000 couple of weeks now. She's spent a lot of time 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.800 parting at Coachella. She's also lined up a couple of 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.800 meetings for her business one mile over there. But what 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.880 has caught her followers attention is and afternoon she's spent 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:26.120 with US influencer Jay Alvarez. So, for some background, Jay 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.960 is a model, actor, and influencer. He has eight point 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.559 two million followers on Instagram and he's modeled for brands 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.880 such as Calvin Klein, Amani and Bonds. He's also appeared 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:41.320 on the covers of GQ, Style Russia and also Esquire 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.520 in Greece. Now, he is a travel blogger, so they 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.400 have a bit in common, and he is known for 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.520 sharing videos of himself traveling to very over the top 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:54.400 luxurious destinations. So, whilst in La Sammy posted a photo 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.200 at the beach and in the photo, it showed two 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:01.200 shirtless men walking into the waves and in writing that 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:05.040 really blended into the background. She tagged Jay and his 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.079 friend and I feel like, even though it was a 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.600 very subtle tag, that she wanted certain people to be 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:15.240 aware of this aka her ex partner Jordan Simmy. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:15.480 See. 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.680 I don't think it really is a subtle tag, because 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:19.960 a subtle tag would be a blind tag, and then 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.320 he could share it if he wanted to on his page. 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.320 However, this was quite deliberate. 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.720 I mean, we have seen an influx of influencers like 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:30.000 Olivia Rodgers and her new partner Morgan Waterhouse doing the 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.800 thing where they share photos from the same location. People 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.600 are putting two and two together, but this seems very deliberate. 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.080 It seems like she wants people to be talking about 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:40.640 her and Jay. I mean, it does help her influencing career, 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.520 considering he's got eight million followers. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:43.800 Yeah, maybe she was at least. 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:45.920 Hoping for a couple of extra follows from his end 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:47.839 if he reshared. I don't know if it's that. I 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.080 think it's more of a fuck you to Jordan's No, 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.800 she would be trying to break into the US market. 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.240 Her being in close proximity to Jay would be a 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.959 big deal, particularly if she's having business meetings in the US. Well, 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:03.199 Jay does have history of dating models and content creators, 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:05.960 so I think that Sammy is definitely up his alley 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:09.200 and his type. So his first public relationship was with 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.360 a model called Chase Miller. He then dated another model 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:16.160 called Alexis Wren, and when things ended between the pair, 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.719 Alexis went on a Twitter rant about him, saying She's 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.920 learned self love, self growth, and self trust. She then 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.959 wrote stay away from fuck boys and finished with. 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.120 He's got a small dick too. I actually I do 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:31.520 remember this. That's pretty horrible to say that. 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:35.240 Jay also briefly dated YouTuber Tanner Mojo, who is a 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.600 big deal. She has five million followers, and they met 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:41.200 on an influencer trip in Greece. In twenty nineteen, Jay 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:45.680 also dated an Italian born fashion blogger, and controversially, he 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:49.280 posted a nude photo of himself and his girlfriend along 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.559 with a caption about how he desired to bang her 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:54.880 on every piece of furniture in his. 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:55.600 House now look. 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:59.280 This post, of course, received backlash, with followers saying that 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:03.000 he was discuss and desperate for likes, and he responded 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.560 saying I can't believe anyone got offended by this. 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:07.280 Next time I'll post the video. 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.160 Gee, he really does seem to be Sammy's type, Like, 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.600 she doesn't have great taste in men. 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:13.920 What about Nick? 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:16.200 Well, wasn't he a bit of a flog as well? 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.360 I like Nick? Yeah, but I mean, as you say, 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.480 Sammy on recent times has not had the best taste. 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:24.200 She seems to like a fuck boy, which is what 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.360 her Extraordan Simmy was all about. But she's in the US, Like, 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.439 so what he's a fuck boy? Like she's not looking 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.320 for a boyfriend. Well, I think he might just be, 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.440 as you say, Amy, a bit of a holiday fleeing, 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.200 a bit of a you know, someone to make the 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.760 ex jealous, someone to move on and have fun with. 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.240 I do wonder if they met at Coachella or maybe 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.960 on RAYA. He probably slid into a DM so that 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.640 she was in the US. The weirdest thing is that 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.640 they aren't actually following each other on Instagram, even though 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.360 Sammy tagged him. I actually think that speaks volumes. The 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.520 fact that they're not actually following each other. Yeah, why 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.760 would they be hiding it if there's nothing going on? 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:57.839 But she to tags and wanted not to follow them. 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.840 That's real, folks. Did he share the photo? Nah, he didn't. 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.280 Or maybe things have already gone south and there's been 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:06.800 a mutual unfollow Yeah. Maybe. Well let's watch this space 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:08.840 bo It's going. 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:09.760 To be quiet there. 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.760 Anyway, we only had two passengers booked into first class 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:16.320 and the passengers in question have just canceled, which is 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:17.320 a dreadful shame. 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.840 Hi, Penny, did you get the message? Yeah, such a 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:20.800 pity they're canceled. 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:22.800 No, no, no, no no, The message about helping is out 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.520 in economy piers Off. 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.800 Karina Herbie has shared a harrowing first world problem to 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.160 where one point two million followers. While returning home from 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:37.000 Hawaii kate what happened? The Molana Bikini owner shared on 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.760 her Instagram story how she and her partner Ryan were 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.640 essentially kicked out of their first class seats due to 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:46.560 an apparent mishap from the airline. So basically, it all 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.520 started when Karina asked if she could be upgraded to 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.720 a first class ticket and the airline said that yes, 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.880 it is possible, but they'd have to wait a few 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.320 hours to be able to confirm it because there were 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.440 some passengers on hold, but they hadn't actually paid for 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.960 their tickets yet, So basically, she's pulled to Madison Bully 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.440 and has asked for a complimentary upgrade. 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:07.840 I assume because. 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:09.800 She's an influencer and it would look better for the 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:13.720 airline to give it to someone who can promote the service. 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.480 Well that's what I actually thought, But Carna said after 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:19.440 waiting a few hours, she got confirmation that the seats 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.840 were hers, and she said she paid in full and 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:25.400 waited to board the flight, and Karina described how happy 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.880 she felt and how less anxious she was that she 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.160 was able to actually get a bed that laid down, 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.480 and she was having such a great experience, and the 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.520 staff was so lovely. They'd even put a Hawaiian flower 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.480 behind her ear, and they were getting served drinks and 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.160 that was all until the lady from the front desk 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.080 emerged into the plane and she said, oh my god, 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.960 I'm so sorry, but the original occupants of these seats 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.440 have shown up last minute. You're going to have to 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.600 move to a different economy seats. So it's quite funny 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.520 because Carna said her partner Ryan was literally sipping on 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:59.040 a drink as this all was unfolding, and then Karina 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.560 shed a very un Glamora shot of the couple sitting 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.040 in the middle row, and she explained that they had 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.440 a crying baby next to them and also a man 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:10.040 watching open heart surgery next to her for nine hours. 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.400 She finished up by saying, God, I love paying for 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.120 first class but not actually getting to use it. No 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.400 refund yet. I guess that'll now be homework for later 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.640 first world problems. I know, but you do need to 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:23.320 see the humor in the fuckery. I get that this 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.480 is definitely a first world problem, and my sympathy is 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:31.360 very low. However, can you imagine actually paying for these tickets, 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:34.240 you know, gearing yourself up that you're going to enjoy 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.840 the next couple of hours on this flight, and then being. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.160 Pushed back to cattle class. I'd be like, so close, 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:41.120 but yet so far. 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.200 It reminds me of Seinfeld that episode where Jerry gets 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.080 put into first class and a Lane is back in 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.760 cattle class, and you're seeing the two different types of 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:50.240 experience they're having. 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:51.240 It's almost like that. 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.080 God, if it was me, i'd be absolutely spewing. I 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.160 did find it interesting, though, because of course Influenzer updates. 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.960 Au shared the story on her page, and a travel 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.480 agent actually commented on the post. Now, this person claimed 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.840 they had fourteen years of experience in the industry, and 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.760 they said that they've worked on global booking systems for 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.159 airlines and confirmed that the series of events Karina shared 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.280 wasn't actually possible. So they said, you can't book and 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.840 pay for seats on hold, and if other people were 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.439 holding their seats then they'd have to be ticketed and 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:25.720 paid for before check in opens. So the travel agent said, otherwise, 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.160 the airline would just cancel out the seats so other 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.320 people could book them last minute. So what are you 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:31.480 suggesting has happened here? 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:32.320 I'm not following. 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.919 So this travel agent is suggesting that the likely scenario 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.720 was that Karina asked for a free upgrade as you 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:42.040 touched on earlier, and the check in staff would have said, okay, well, 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.159 we'll just wait until check in closes to see if 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.119 there are any no shows. However, this decision was a 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.200 bit of a knee jerk because it's backfired and the 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:52.680 people that actually paid for the seats have arrived super 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.200 late and turned up because I highly doubt they'd be able. 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:56.600 To be kicked off. 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:58.600 If they'd paid for it in full, the other person 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.240 would have just been told you're two. That does sound 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:05.240 like a more likely scenario, especially because for Karina, she 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.119 was obviously trying to garner some sort of sympathy for 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.840 her because oh, we paid for these tickets. If she said, oh, 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.960 we got upgraded first class and I'm back here no ever, i'd. 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:16.520 Been like, Aha, that's so funny. 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.400 And she kind of mentioned it too many times, like oh, 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.320 and I suppose we'll have to do our homework and 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.679 get a refund later. I'm sorry. If I paid for 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.600 those tickets in full, I wouldn't be going easily. I'd 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:28.520 be like, I want a refund on the spot, I 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:30.040 want to be taken off the flight, and I want 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.280 to get a new first class ticket on a different flight. 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:36.720 I have had enough with people trying to hold me 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:40.760 accountable and people online accountable for the mistakes that we make. 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.000 Sophie Kesha has gone head to head with an anonymous 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:49.359 influencer tea account. The Pajama Mogul rejected claim she's trying 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.760 to stay relevant whilst hosting down at cheating rumors. Before 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:54.800