1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: On today's show, Sophie Casia's online staus with an influencer 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: gossip page, Karina Irby's first world travel problems, Sarah's Day 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: gets baptized at Pentecostal church, and Sammy Robinson has sparked 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: rumors she's dating a US influencer. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: It's your dose of the hottest influenza and pop culture 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: news twice a week now. Sarah's Day and her husband 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: Kurt Tills revealed they got baptized over the weekend. The 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: ceremony took place at a Pentecostal church called Glow. Now, 9 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: So if I wouldn't describe Glow as a traditional church, yeah, 10 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: that's right. The church is distinctly marketed as being a 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: cool church for young people and instead of hymns and organs, 12 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: they have these full indie rock bands performing Christian worship songs. 13 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: The church also has a very slick social media presence, 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: with posters and billboards for Glow popping up around the 15 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: CBD and a lot of inner city suburbs of across Australia. 16 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: And it's all about rebranding religion to a new demographic. 17 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: So Glow says that Whilst they're a. 18 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: Church for all generations, they find that it's a lot 19 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: of young families and adults in their late twenties and 20 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: early thirties who are in high attendance at these services. 21 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: This sounds very different to the church we used to 22 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: go to Sunday School at. I do remember a time 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: amy where you refused to go in, and then we 24 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: never had to go again. I think we only really 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: went to general. We went to youth group for a while, 26 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: and it was really only for the food. Yeah, they 27 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: do a great spread at youth group. Maybe that's what 28 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: Glow has, luring people in with food. Maybe not Sarah's 29 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: Damien ever got healthy carrot sticks for something. I think 30 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: they're luring people in with something else because it might 31 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: surprise some of Sarah's followers to find out that Glow 32 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: is actually a Pentecostal church. And The Age wrote a 33 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: feature on glowback in twenty twenty and they describe the 34 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: church as being a recent entrance into the field of 35 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: successful Pentecostal megachurches. 36 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: Like can I ask what is a Pentecostal church? 37 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: I've only heard the word because isn't it the church 38 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: that Scomo used to go to Yeah, there was a 39 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: lot of controversy in the lead up to the election 40 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: which did focus on Scott Morrison's faith and the fact 41 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: that he was part of a Pentecostal church. And the 42 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: most famous Pentecostal church is Heelsong and there has been 43 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: a lot documented about that church. So back to your question, Amy, Basically, 44 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: the movement is a form of Christianity and they believe 45 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: that faith must be powerfully experienced and not something found 46 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: merely through ritual or thinking. So its members believe that 47 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: they are driven by the power of God moving within them. 48 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: So controversially, the movement promotes speaking in tongues as well 49 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: as supernatural healing and other manifestations of the Holy Spirit. 50 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: And it is not always. 51 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: Easy to determine if a church is a Pentecostal church 52 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: because many don't include the word in their name. 53 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: Is that because it's got a bad rap? 54 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: I think so, because on Glow's website and social media 55 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: channels they don't refer to themselves as a Pentecostal church. 56 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 2: However, it does say. 57 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: On the website that the movement believes in miracles. I 58 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: feel like listeners have to take a shot every time 59 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: you say Pentecostal I've ever heard. 60 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: Well, if you think back to. 61 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: All those images of Heillsong and everyone's got their hands 62 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: up and everyone's very energetic, that's a sort of church. 63 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: This is. I remember Guy Sebastian was a big part 64 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: of Hillsong, Like I only heard about Hillsong because of 65 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: him back when he was on Australian idol, And I 66 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: think there was a lot of famous people connected to 67 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: these sorts of churches. Another giveaway that Glow is a 68 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: Pentecostal church is its heavy focus on baptism. So over 69 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 1: the weekend, Sarah and Kurt revealed that they got baptized, 70 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: and this stood out to me as Sarah in particular 71 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: has spoken in the past about her faith and how 72 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: it's something that she grew up with. It sounded like 73 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: her family were heavily religious, so I was like, hold 74 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: on a second, why wasn't she baptized as a child, 75 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: And then when I looked into the Pentecostal faith, it 76 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: made a lot more sense because Pentecostals believe that baptism 77 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: is only for the believers, so they don't practice baptism 78 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: in infants because they can't make that decision them and 79 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: in order to be baptized, you have to repent your sins, 80 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: you have to understand the faith, so all of the 81 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: candidates must be adults, or at least at an age 82 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: where they can make that decision themselves. Yeah. I did 83 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: think it was weird because I assumed that she would 84 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: have been baptized as a child. And I first saw 85 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: Kurt share the update and I was like, Oh, he 86 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 1: must be having to be baptized to join Sarah's faith. 87 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: But then when I saw her in the little bathing 88 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: pool as well, I was like, what was it just 89 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: me or did you guys not realize that they actually 90 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: fully went into a pool. Okay, that's also another giveaway 91 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: that it's a Pentecostal baptism, because, as you say in 92 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: the photos, Sarah showed herself being baptized in this large 93 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,559 Speaker 1: blow up pool and there was this Neon sign above 94 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: it that said real, Bold and Love. 95 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: It was this very cool kind of setup. 96 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: There were even like lights and a video camera and 97 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: Sarah was wearing a shirt that said brand new. 98 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: And the reason it was done in. 99 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: This big pool is because as part of the faith, 100 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: you have to be submerged totally in water, so that's 101 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 1: why she was so soaking wet. I have flashbacks to 102 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: on The Simpsons where ned Flanders was trying to baptize 103 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: Lisa and Barr and he took them down to the river. 104 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: There is a scene also in My Big Fat Greek 105 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: Wedding when Aiden, you know, from Sex and the City, 106 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: gets baptized in a pool as well. Well. Yeah, because 107 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: a lot of the time at Pentecostal churches they either 108 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: have a special tank or an outdoor baptism pond. Obviously, 109 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: this cool new church they've just got to blow up. 110 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: Paul Well in the post, Sarah wrote an extra special 111 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: Sunday today. After praying hard about this for a few years, 112 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: today both Kurt and I got water baptized. It was 113 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: such an honor to do something so special and powerful 114 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: with my husband. She really is going down that route 115 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: of Christian influence, isn't she with this latest update. Well, 116 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: particularly because the Pentecostal faith is all about preaching the 117 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: Word of God, and we have definitely seen an influx 118 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: of her sharing that type of messaging on her page 119 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: ever since her wedding, and I feel like perhaps she's 120 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: been working on this in the background. I remember when 121 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,559 Speaker 1: Sarah shared a vlog of her buying her holiday house 122 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: that her and Kurt were reading the Bible, and I 123 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: thought at the time that was strange, But obviously there's 124 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: a lot that they need to do in order to 125 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: become to the point that they get baptized. Away from 126 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: Sarah and Kurt with this issue, I just find the 127 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: whole thing weird, Like how this share no, not the 128 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: religion side, but the marketing side of this church. Because 129 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: I looked at Glow's Instagram account, which Sarah actually didn't tag, 130 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: Kurt tagged it, and they appeared to be spooking baptism. 131 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: So there's this really weird video where this pastor is 132 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: standing out the front saying, come on everyone, let's play 133 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: the clip because I can't. 134 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 2: Give it justice. 135 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: We also let an incredible where celebrating all those that 136 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 3: now baptizing at our Shire and West locations this morning. Guys, 137 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 3: if you missed out five thirty pm at the City, 138 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 3: you can get baptized. 139 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 4: You, your family, anyone you know, just come on over. 140 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 4: We can't wait to celebrate with you days. 141 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: See that confuses because I thought, by hearing more about 142 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: this religion that people had to be at a certain 143 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: level of understanding to be baptized, particularly because they have 144 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: to wait until they're an adult to accept it. But 145 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: that's spooking as like a you know, come down, everyone's 146 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: getting baptized today. It reminds me of on Oprah, like 147 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: the Christmas special you'll get a car and you'll get 148 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: you get baptized. Well, that's what I feel uncomfortable about 149 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: because I feel like it's a total money making scheme. 150 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: Because when I looked at the Instagram stories, you could 151 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: see that there's professional lights and cameras setup. We've also 152 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: clearly seen that in order to get baptized, you have 153 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: to buy one of the you know, new new shirts 154 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: to be baptized in. 155 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: It feels like there's a lot. 156 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: Of money passing hands in order to have this happen. 157 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: You're also encouraged to invite lots of people you know, 158 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: to come down what. 159 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: You be baptized. 160 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: The thing is, I don't think churches charged for baptisms. 161 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: I think stay charged for a while. No, that's not true. 162 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: They pass out a collection plate. There's a lot of 163 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: money passing hands in churches, particularly if you want to 164 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: hold an event there. It's like, oh, will you have 165 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: to make a special contribution towards the church. People aren't 166 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: getting these things for free well, in terms of these 167 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: Pentecostal churches. So there was an article done on Hellsong 168 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: and it said that Hillsong is said to bring in 169 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: eighty percent of its revenue through music and other merchandise 170 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: sales and the rest of the twenty percent is through 171 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: the collection. So it's clear that there are money making 172 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: schemes in place, and the marketing is very important to 173 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: these churches, particularly because they're tapping into an audience of 174 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: young people who are finding faith. Well, Hillsong is a 175 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: very influential church. I mean, it's got the likes of 176 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: the Karashians and Justin Bieber being a part of the church, 177 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: and they obviously bring with them a lot of money 178 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: and so too to people like Sarah and Kurt. I mean, 179 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure that this Globe church is very happy to 180 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: have them on their books. Well, it doesn't concern me 181 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: because Hillsong has been called Australia's most powerful brand and 182 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: a money making machine. It's also been called a cult. 183 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: So I don't know, feel a bit uncomfortable with some 184 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: of these mega churches popping up around the country and 185 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: spooking themselves the way that they're doing on social media. 186 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: Sarah was doing a speech at this church not that 187 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: long ago. 188 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 2: Remember she was interviewed. 189 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: Well, I find it very odd that she does speak 190 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: a lot about her faith, but she hasn't opened up 191 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: about being a follower of the Pentecostal movement because it 192 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: is incredibly unpopular due to the controversy around speaking in 193 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: tongues and healing, particularly when you know, we spoke about 194 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: in our recent Sera's Day's Deep Dive about how she 195 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: copped criticism for saying that she healed her cervical displacier. 196 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: Maybe she feels a bit uncomfortable because people might connect. 197 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: The dots and the healing. 198 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: Surely she's vlogged the baptism. I think she wouldn't. I 199 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: feel like she'd been keeping far away. 200 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: From that on that. 201 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: Firstly, I do remember in that video about her healing 202 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: her cervix quote unquote, that she mentioned that her mother 203 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: prayed over her, and again that's a big part of 204 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: that Pentecostal church. Secondly, on your point, Amy, I feel 205 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: like if she does share it, this will be a 206 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: big turning point for her channel and a big move 207 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: for her to become more in the American influencer space. 208 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: Hey guys, long time no speak. 209 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: Sammy Robinson has sparked rumors she's dating US influencer and 210 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: model Jay Alvarez. 211 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: Sophie. What's got everyone talking? 212 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: Well, Sammy has been holidaying in the US for a 213 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: couple of weeks now. She's spent a lot of time 214 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: parting at Coachella. She's also lined up a couple of 215 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: meetings for her business one mile over there. But what 216 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: has caught her followers attention is and afternoon she's spent 217 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: with US influencer Jay Alvarez. So, for some background, Jay 218 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: is a model, actor, and influencer. He has eight point 219 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: two million followers on Instagram and he's modeled for brands 220 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: such as Calvin Klein, Amani and Bonds. He's also appeared 221 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: on the covers of GQ, Style Russia and also Esquire 222 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: in Greece. Now, he is a travel blogger, so they 223 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: have a bit in common, and he is known for 224 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: sharing videos of himself traveling to very over the top 225 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: luxurious destinations. So, whilst in La Sammy posted a photo 226 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: at the beach and in the photo, it showed two 227 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: shirtless men walking into the waves and in writing that 228 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: really blended into the background. She tagged Jay and his 229 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: friend and I feel like, even though it was a 230 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: very subtle tag, that she wanted certain people to be 231 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: aware of this aka her ex partner Jordan Simmy. 232 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: See. 233 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: I don't think it really is a subtle tag, because 234 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: a subtle tag would be a blind tag, and then 235 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: he could share it if he wanted to on his page. 236 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 2: However, this was quite deliberate. 237 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: I mean, we have seen an influx of influencers like 238 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: Olivia Rodgers and her new partner Morgan Waterhouse doing the 239 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: thing where they share photos from the same location. People 240 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: are putting two and two together, but this seems very deliberate. 241 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: It seems like she wants people to be talking about 242 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: her and Jay. I mean, it does help her influencing career, 243 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: considering he's got eight million followers. 244 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe she was at least. 245 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: Hoping for a couple of extra follows from his end 246 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: if he reshared. I don't know if it's that. I 247 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: think it's more of a fuck you to Jordan's No, 248 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: she would be trying to break into the US market. 249 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: Her being in close proximity to Jay would be a 250 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: big deal, particularly if she's having business meetings in the US. Well, 251 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: Jay does have history of dating models and content creators, 252 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: so I think that Sammy is definitely up his alley 253 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: and his type. So his first public relationship was with 254 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: a model called Chase Miller. He then dated another model 255 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: called Alexis Wren, and when things ended between the pair, 256 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 1: Alexis went on a Twitter rant about him, saying She's 257 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: learned self love, self growth, and self trust. She then 258 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: wrote stay away from fuck boys and finished with. 259 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: He's got a small dick too. I actually I do 260 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: remember this. That's pretty horrible to say that. 261 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: Jay also briefly dated YouTuber Tanner Mojo, who is a 262 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: big deal. She has five million followers, and they met 263 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: on an influencer trip in Greece. In twenty nineteen, Jay 264 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: also dated an Italian born fashion blogger, and controversially, he 265 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: posted a nude photo of himself and his girlfriend along 266 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: with a caption about how he desired to bang her 267 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: on every piece of furniture in his. 268 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: House now look. 269 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: This post, of course, received backlash, with followers saying that 270 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: he was discuss and desperate for likes, and he responded 271 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: saying I can't believe anyone got offended by this. 272 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: Next time I'll post the video. 273 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: Gee, he really does seem to be Sammy's type, Like, 274 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: she doesn't have great taste in men. 275 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: What about Nick? 276 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: Well, wasn't he a bit of a flog as well? 277 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: I like Nick? Yeah, but I mean, as you say, 278 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: Sammy on recent times has not had the best taste. 279 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: She seems to like a fuck boy, which is what 280 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: her Extraordan Simmy was all about. But she's in the US, Like, 281 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: so what he's a fuck boy? Like she's not looking 282 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: for a boyfriend. Well, I think he might just be, 283 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: as you say, Amy, a bit of a holiday fleeing, 284 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: a bit of a you know, someone to make the 285 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: ex jealous, someone to move on and have fun with. 286 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: I do wonder if they met at Coachella or maybe 287 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: on RAYA. He probably slid into a DM so that 288 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: she was in the US. The weirdest thing is that 289 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: they aren't actually following each other on Instagram, even though 290 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: Sammy tagged him. I actually think that speaks volumes. The 291 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: fact that they're not actually following each other. Yeah, why 292 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: would they be hiding it if there's nothing going on? 293 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: But she to tags and wanted not to follow them. 294 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: That's real, folks. Did he share the photo? Nah, he didn't. 295 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: Or maybe things have already gone south and there's been 296 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: a mutual unfollow Yeah. Maybe. Well let's watch this space 297 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: bo It's going. 298 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 3: To be quiet there. 299 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 4: Anyway, we only had two passengers booked into first class 300 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 4: and the passengers in question have just canceled, which is 301 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 4: a dreadful shame. 302 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: Hi, Penny, did you get the message? Yeah, such a 303 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 2: pity they're canceled. 304 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 4: No, no, no, no no, The message about helping is out 305 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 4: in economy piers Off. 306 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: Karina Herbie has shared a harrowing first world problem to 307 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: where one point two million followers. While returning home from 308 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: Hawaii kate what happened? The Molana Bikini owner shared on 309 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: her Instagram story how she and her partner Ryan were 310 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: essentially kicked out of their first class seats due to 311 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: an apparent mishap from the airline. So basically, it all 312 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: started when Karina asked if she could be upgraded to 313 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: a first class ticket and the airline said that yes, 314 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: it is possible, but they'd have to wait a few 315 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: hours to be able to confirm it because there were 316 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: some passengers on hold, but they hadn't actually paid for 317 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: their tickets yet, So basically, she's pulled to Madison Bully 318 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: and has asked for a complimentary upgrade. 319 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 2: I assume because. 320 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: She's an influencer and it would look better for the 321 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: airline to give it to someone who can promote the service. 322 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: Well that's what I actually thought, But Carna said after 323 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: waiting a few hours, she got confirmation that the seats 324 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: were hers, and she said she paid in full and 325 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: waited to board the flight, and Karina described how happy 326 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: she felt and how less anxious she was that she 327 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: was able to actually get a bed that laid down, 328 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: and she was having such a great experience, and the 329 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: staff was so lovely. They'd even put a Hawaiian flower 330 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: behind her ear, and they were getting served drinks and 331 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: that was all until the lady from the front desk 332 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: emerged into the plane and she said, oh my god, 333 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, but the original occupants of these seats 334 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: have shown up last minute. You're going to have to 335 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: move to a different economy seats. So it's quite funny 336 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: because Carna said her partner Ryan was literally sipping on 337 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: a drink as this all was unfolding, and then Karina 338 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: shed a very un Glamora shot of the couple sitting 339 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: in the middle row, and she explained that they had 340 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: a crying baby next to them and also a man 341 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: watching open heart surgery next to her for nine hours. 342 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: She finished up by saying, God, I love paying for 343 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: first class but not actually getting to use it. No 344 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: refund yet. I guess that'll now be homework for later 345 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: first world problems. I know, but you do need to 346 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: see the humor in the fuckery. I get that this 347 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: is definitely a first world problem, and my sympathy is 348 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: very low. However, can you imagine actually paying for these tickets, 349 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, gearing yourself up that you're going to enjoy 350 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: the next couple of hours on this flight, and then being. 351 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: Pushed back to cattle class. I'd be like, so close, 352 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: but yet so far. 353 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: It reminds me of Seinfeld that episode where Jerry gets 354 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: put into first class and a Lane is back in 355 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: cattle class, and you're seeing the two different types of 356 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: experience they're having. 357 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: It's almost like that. 358 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: God, if it was me, i'd be absolutely spewing. I 359 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: did find it interesting, though, because of course Influenzer updates. 360 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: Au shared the story on her page, and a travel 361 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: agent actually commented on the post. Now, this person claimed 362 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: they had fourteen years of experience in the industry, and 363 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: they said that they've worked on global booking systems for 364 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: airlines and confirmed that the series of events Karina shared 365 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: wasn't actually possible. So they said, you can't book and 366 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: pay for seats on hold, and if other people were 367 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: holding their seats then they'd have to be ticketed and 368 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: paid for before check in opens. So the travel agent said, otherwise, 369 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: the airline would just cancel out the seats so other 370 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: people could book them last minute. So what are you 371 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: suggesting has happened here? 372 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 2: I'm not following. 373 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: So this travel agent is suggesting that the likely scenario 374 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: was that Karina asked for a free upgrade as you 375 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: touched on earlier, and the check in staff would have said, okay, well, 376 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: we'll just wait until check in closes to see if 377 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: there are any no shows. However, this decision was a 378 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: bit of a knee jerk because it's backfired and the 379 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: people that actually paid for the seats have arrived super 380 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: late and turned up because I highly doubt they'd be able. 381 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: To be kicked off. 382 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: If they'd paid for it in full, the other person 383 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: would have just been told you're two. That does sound 384 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: like a more likely scenario, especially because for Karina, she 385 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: was obviously trying to garner some sort of sympathy for 386 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: her because oh, we paid for these tickets. If she said, oh, 387 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: we got upgraded first class and I'm back here no ever, i'd. 388 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: Been like, Aha, that's so funny. 389 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: And she kind of mentioned it too many times, like oh, 390 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: and I suppose we'll have to do our homework and 391 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: get a refund later. I'm sorry. If I paid for 392 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: those tickets in full, I wouldn't be going easily. I'd 393 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: be like, I want a refund on the spot, I 394 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: want to be taken off the flight, and I want 395 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: to get a new first class ticket on a different flight. 396 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 4: I have had enough with people trying to hold me 397 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 4: accountable and people online accountable for the mistakes that we make. 398 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: Sophie Kesha has gone head to head with an anonymous 399 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: influencer tea account. The Pajama Mogul rejected claim she's trying 400 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: to stay relevant whilst hosting down at cheating rumors. Before 401 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: we get into what's gone down, so can you give 402 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: us a little bit of a background on Sophie's dating history. 403 00:18:58,119 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 404 00:18:58,400 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 4: Well. 405 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: In October twenty twenty two, who Sophie Keasia shocked her 406 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: followers by announcing her split from fiance Maddi Garrick, which 407 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: we have covered in a lot of detail in our episodes. 408 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 4: Now. 409 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: Despite saying that she wouldn't talk further on the topic, 410 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: Sophie spoke out several times and insinuated that cheating was 411 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: allegedly involved on Maddie's end. Now, this month, a photo 412 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: was leaked of Sophie kissing AFLW player Sophie vander Heevil, 413 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: which was taken from the footballer's be real account prior. 414 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: The Sophie's were actually first spotted in Adelaide at Sam 415 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: Smith's concert back in January. Now, kay, can you tell 416 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: us what happened next? So influencer gossip account influencer t 417 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: Oz posted an unverified rumor that claimed Sophie vander Heevil 418 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: cheated on her last girlfriend with Sophie Kasha. The account 419 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: claimed their source was a friend of vander Heevel's ex girlfriend. 420 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: The account went on to claim that vander Heevel doesn't 421 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: want to go public with Kasia because she doesn't like 422 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: the image it portrays, and that the AFLW player is 423 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: still playing both both sides. So that's Sophie, Kaisha, and 424 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: the ex girlfriend. The account finished up by alleging Kasha 425 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: was manipulating Vanda Heevil into going public and question whether 426 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: Kaisha's desire to go public was to stay relevant. Now, 427 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: it's important to note that the allegations influencer os Te 428 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: shared are unsubstantiated rumors that are yet to be proven 429 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: to hold any factual basis. And I feel like this 430 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: is a big problem with these anonymous accounts posting anonymous rumors. 431 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: It really is the wild West at the moment, and 432 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: I am feeling for influencers with the vast amounts of 433 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: these anonymous pages that are popping up because they're just 434 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: posting information that has not been verified by anyone, and 435 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: a lot of the time is sent in by anonymous trolls. 436 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: I know with us, we get a lot of tip 437 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: hofs and you go and look at the person's page 438 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 1: and it's a burner account. Now, Sophie hit back at 439 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: the allegations, writing, I understand you are trying to bait 440 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: me here, and I'm taking it. I also understand you 441 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: have a job to do and report on TEA. I 442 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: acknowledge this is your platform and job, and you have 443 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 1: a right to do with that as you wish, but 444 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: I asked for you to do so truthfully. She continued, 445 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: I can handle scrutiny and false things written about me, unfortunately, 446 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: I'm used to it, and I'll copy that, but please 447 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: be mindful of causing her when you're impacting other people 448 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: and their families with information that is not true. I 449 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: am not trying to be relevant in this scene. Post 450 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: like this are what is. 451 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: Creating it now. 452 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: The account responded, writing, at the end of the day, 453 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: this is an influencer tee page. Take what you will 454 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: from the information. No influencer is ever going to read 455 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: this and say, yep, you caught me. Thanks for exposing 456 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: my gossip. Sophie did take the bait, responding again, no, 457 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: you're correct, No one would do that. But comments that 458 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm trying to stay relevant, when in fact, I've spent 459 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: seven months since my painful breakup in October trying to 460 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: do the complete opposite. I repeat, if you want me 461 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: to be irrelevant, then stop posting about me. I'm sure 462 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: it would make a lot of people very happy. Now, 463 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: Sophie didn't stop there, even though she was getting ready 464 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: for a wedding. She took to her Instagram story to 465 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: respond to the post further. And it was really just 466 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: because throughout this Instagram story she was talking while trying 467 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: to curl her hair with a hair straightener. I just 468 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: couldn't stop looking at her. Oh, I don't know what 469 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: she was doing to her hair. It was mesmerizing, wasn't it? 470 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: Because I am someone who watches a lot of tiktoks 471 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: on how to do your hair, and it's always very 472 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: difficult to curl your hair using a hair straighter. 473 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: But she wasn't quite able to get a handle of it. 474 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: Was she was very distracted. She wasn't having much luck there. 475 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: So Sophie started off by revealing that people around her 476 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: are going to be very annoyed that she is responding, 477 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: but she's been dealing with people saying false things about 478 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: her for ten years, and she went on to confirm 479 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: again that the information was not true. Let's wrote to 480 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: a bit of what she said. 481 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 4: When false things are written about other people in my life, 482 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 4: whether that be family, friends, associates, just please be careful 483 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 4: like these are real people with jobs and families and 484 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 4: nanas who read things that are not true, and it's 485 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 4: just not fair, and. 486 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: Went on to say that since her breakup with Maddi Garrick, 487 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: she's made a conscious effort to keep things private and 488 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: is doing the complete opposite of trying to stay relevant. 489 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: She said, I'm here to stay relevant with my work 490 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: and my job and community and my businesses because that's 491 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: my income. That's how I, as a single mother, raised 492 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: my children. Now, at the end of the three and 493 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: a half minute conversation, Sophie admitted to making mistakes in 494 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: the past. Let's throw to what she said. 495 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 4: I've said this before, and I'll say it again. I 496 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 4: am well aware of the fact that I built this 497 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 4: whole thing of being very public. I am well aware 498 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 4: of that, and I am also well aware of the 499 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 4: fact it sounds like the biggest contradiction and hypocritical of 500 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 4: me to say that I am my private life that 501 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 4: people think they know is only relevant because of pages 502 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 4: that talk about it. 503 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 3: There are so. 504 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 4: Many things that are happening in the back of my 505 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 4: private life that you'd have no idea. Okay, I don't 506 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 4: talk about my private life anymore, and it's only relevant 507 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 4: because people speak about it. That's not me. Absolutely No, 508 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 4: the responses to this, they're going to say, oh, that's a. 509 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 2: Bit rich coming from her. You know, she shared every 510 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: bit of. 511 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 4: Her life and she wrote a book and yeah, I did, 512 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 4: and there's a lot of that I regret, and there's 513 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 4: a lot of processes I've been going through realizing that 514 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 4: I made. 515 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 2: Some bad decisions. 516 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 4: And I think as humans we need to be able 517 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 4: to say that I have made some questionable decisions for sure, 518 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,239 Speaker 4: and there's certainly things absolutely I look back at and 519 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 4: regret and hence why I don't do it anymore. So 520 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 4: please be mindful of all this tea and this goths 521 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 4: that you get sent in. It can be Joe blogs 522 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 4: on the top of the hill going oh my god, 523 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 4: this is happening. There's no substance to it, and it's 524 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 4: not fair to implicate other people. 525 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: Now, I feel like there's a lot to unpack there, 526 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: and I want to start by talking about Sophie asking 527 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: for privacy. I mean, she said it her. It is 528 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: rather hypocritical to ask for privacy when she has based 529 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: her career as an influencer sharing her life. Not to 530 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: mention the fact that she released a book about her life. Unfortunately, 531 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: I feel like you can't have your cake and eat 532 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: it too. You can't be living the high life of 533 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: an influencer without sharing your life. And I'm sure there 534 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: were people that she spoke about in her book not 535 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: so favorably, that have family and friends and jobs and 536 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: Nana's as she said in her statement, that might read 537 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: that stuff and not like it. Well. Also, she's bringing 538 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: out a second book. I mean, I understand that the 539 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: second book is covering other people's experiences, but still it's 540 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: piggybacking off her own experience. Oh, I'm very interested to 541 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: see if Sophie's words match up with her actions when 542 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: she does release the book on June sixth. I mean, 543 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: the first time she released her book, she went on 544 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: this big PR circuit and was on podcast talking about 545 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: her private life and the private life of the people 546 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: that she's dating. So it does seem very hypocritical, and 547 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: I suppose her book is a big example of her 548 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: making money off talking about her private life as well 549 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: as the lives of others. She did seem rattled by 550 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: all of this, though, she had a distinct red nerve 551 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: rash up her neck, and that made me I couldn't 552 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: help but feel a little bit sorry for her, purely 553 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: because I think that some of these anonymous pages have 554 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: taken it too far. I mean, I don't think that 555 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: she has a leg to stand on because she is 556 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: being incredibly hypocritical talking, you know, calling for privacy when 557 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: she puts so much of her life out there. On 558 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: the other hand, I don't think that people should be 559 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: allowed to post pure speculation and lies. 560 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: About your life. 561 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: Oh, I totally agree that page has gone way too far. 562 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: After watching her story, though, I can tell that she 563 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: does have deep regret about being so open about her 564 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: private life, and it would be hard not to, particularly 565 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: with everything that's gone down in the last couple of 566 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: months with her breakup. I was very surprised to hear 567 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: her acknowledge that there was fall out from her book. 568 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: We've never heard her actually address that fall out before. Well, 569 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: A lot of people were speculating that there would be 570 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: fallout because she spoke about Maddie in not the best way, 571 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: because it was clear that Maddie was some backup plan. 572 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: Because anytime that Alana, the pro soccer player that Sophie 573 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: was dating, anytime that she dumped her, She rushed back 574 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: to Day and then dumped Mattie the second she got 575 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: a whiff of Alana. Well, Sophie did speak about how 576 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: Maddie was pretty upset by the whole thing and it 577 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: being in the book. I don't think Maddie had even 578 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: read the book before it got released by the sounds 579 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: of it. And call me jaded, but does anyone think 580 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: that Sophie responding to these comments is a little bit calculated? 581 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: I kind of feel like Influenza tee Oz had a 582 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: bit of a point when it comes to Sophie staying 583 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: relevant because she's got a book launch coming up, She's 584 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: also rebranding her makeup company. She needs eyeballs to be 585 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: on her, she needs people talking about her. What's funny 586 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: you say that, because before she acknowledged these rumors on 587 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: her Instagram story, she was getting ready for a wedding 588 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: and she was showing off a lot of the Asuru 589 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: products that are part of her business. 590 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 2: So maybe it was a bit calculated. 591 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: I am super interested, as I was saying before, to 592 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: hear what she does do for her book promo, because 593 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: the last time, as you said, she was sharing all 594 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: these details about her quote toxic relationship with Alana Kennedy, 595 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: and everyone is super interested to hear more about the 596 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: fallout from her breakup with Maddie. And while she has 597 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: slipped in a few nuggets here and there, everyone is 598 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: waiting for her to dish all the details. And I 599 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: think that that may be coming when she does launch 600 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: this second book, and that's the reason why she has 601 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: been staying so tight lip or she has a podcast 602 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: with Mama Mia, and I feel like Mia Friedman's probably 603 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: the first person that she will talk to definitely about 604 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: her breakup with Maddie. Now, talking about these anonymous pages, 605 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: I do think that they really are playing with fire 606 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: because listeners will know that this podcast, we've had a 607 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: few run ins with Sophie Keisher. I don't feel like 608 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: we're her biggest fan here. But I really do think 609 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: that these anonymous influencer pages are playing with fire. 610 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 2: And it's clear that they are trying to. 611 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: Attract followers with shock value, but the reality is that 612 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: they are going to also be acting a lot of 613 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: legal threats from influencers. Well, I do wonder if influencer 614 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: te Oz actually did cop a legal letter, as they 615 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: ended up deleting the posts and other content relating to Sophie, 616 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: and this was off the back of Sophie responding to 617 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: commentary on the account about her sending legal letters. So 618 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: Sophie wrote to a commenter, the fake legal letter narrative 619 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: is so tiring. I have issued two legal letters in 620 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: my entire life from my Melbourne based lawyer and they 621 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: were highly effective in stopping the action occurring. We have 622 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: it all on file, including their responses. I am asking 623 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: you to please stop. This is just such a fascinating topic, 624 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: particularly the rise in these anonymous counts and the power. 625 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 2: That they are yielding here. 626 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: We actually do speak to Amber from Influencer Updates on 627 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: our subscriber episode on Wednesday about this topic because I 628 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: find it fascinating because she is one of the only 629 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: pages that actually puts their face and name to the account, 630 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: and she also does go with a very different approach 631 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: because she loves influencer culture and she always is a 632 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: lot kinder than some of these anonymous pages. Yeah, I'm 633 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: so keen to share that interview. It is Amber's first 634 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: ever interview on a podcast, so the first time you 635 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: can hear from Amber directly about her experiences with influencer updates. 636 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: AU Yeah, I can't wait for that one now. If 637 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: you do want to subscribe, we have all of the 638 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: details in our show notes, so you can subscribe on 639 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: Apple or Patreon. I think that is all we have 640 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: time for. Thank you so much for joining us. This 641 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: episode was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana 642 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: people of the Adelaide Planes. 643 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 2: We pay respect to Elder's past and present. 644 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: And if you have enjoyed today's show, please make sure 645 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: you are subscribed on Apple Podcasts and also Spotify and 646 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: leave us a review. I have been loving the reviews lately. 647 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the support. Also, I love 648 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: when people share photos of how they're listening to the podcast, 649 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: so if you want to tag us and show how 650 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: you listen to it, if it's on your walk, or 651 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: you're making dinner, or you're cleaning the house. And also 652 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: if anyone noticed that my voice disappeared. 653 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 2: We haven't had a big fight. I just got called 654 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 2: away for something for work. 655 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: There's a pr disaster going on in the background, but 656 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: we got through it. 657 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: So well done. 658 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: Mm hmm.