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Speaker 1: Well, after six months and covering more than fourteen thousand

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Speaker 1: we head to the polls on Saturday. Now, Pat Farmer

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Speaker 2: Pat, Hi, Katie, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good. How are the legs? Mate?

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you they're a little bit sore and tired,

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Speaker 2: and there's been better days that you know. I got

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Speaker 1: I am absolutely in awe of the fact that you've

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's see, Katie, been able to back

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Speaker 3: It absolutely is. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I mean, what was it like though getting

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Speaker 2: I know that was firmly implanted in my mind. I

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Speaker 2: I would I would do that. But but I havn't

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Speaker 1: It's the power of the mind as well of the

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Speaker 2: Well, I have to be honest with you, I haven't

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of people who listen to

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Speaker 2: Okay, you're one hundred percent correct, and your listeners are

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Speaker 2: We want it to move forward. We want the whole

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it certainly, it certainly has put a spotlight

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Speaker 2: And on the world stage, could you imagine how we're

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Speaker 1: You know there will be other people listening this morning

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Speaker 1: But what I'm worried about is that we don't know

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Speaker 2: I've been explaining this to people around the country, the

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Speaker 3: Of all of that.

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Speaker 2: Because every single portfolio has an advisory body to it.

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Speaker 2: the House of Representatives and finally gets through and gets passed.

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Speaker 2: This law. They know that because they do that every

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Speaker 2: single day of the week. That's what they are employed

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Speaker 2: to do as politicians. So when they say that they

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Speaker 2: don't have detail, they're lines is they know they are

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Speaker 2: the ones that create the detail. But the most important

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Speaker 2: of legislation. And in order to do that, the austrain

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Speaker 3: Well, Pat Farmer, it's been good to speak with you

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Speaker 3: this morning.

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go, Hey, going to celebrate and

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Speaker 1: maybe rest those legs over the next couple of days.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm actually going down to Adelaide. I'll fly straight

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Speaker 2: down Adelaide in a short while from Milaru and I'll

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Speaker 2: spend my time down there campaigning with Nova. Perish that

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Speaker 2: both of us are going to be working on the

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Speaker 2: and of course on Saturday. So you know this is

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Speaker 2: not over for me until the vote vote finally comes

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Speaker 2: in on the Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: So until then, I can't risk Well, Pat, when you're

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Speaker 1: talking to Nova, I saw it at the track last

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Speaker 1: Thursday and she got chased by some plovers.

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Speaker 3: So tell her to stay away from those plovers. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you bet, I will, I will. Thanks so much for

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Speaker 3: your time this morning. Much appreciated, absolute pleasure. Thank you,