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Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda jam Nation All.

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Speaker 2: Our next guest is a favorite of ours. He's an

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Speaker 2: Australian icon, so much so that Tim Winton has been

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Speaker 2: named a National Living Treasure. The acclaimed author has written

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Speaker 2: over thirty books during his forty plus year career, earning

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Speaker 2: him the Miles Franklin Award four times. He's back with

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Speaker 2: a new book called Juice, and we're thrilled to algomim

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Speaker 2: to the show.

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Speaker 1: Tim, Hello, good day, How are you right? Thanks? Tim?

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Speaker 3: We love apocalyptic sort of futuristic books and I'm just

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Speaker 3: churning through this thing at the moment. I just love it.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about Juice, well, I mean it's a kind

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Speaker 1: of an adventure story, really, a kind of a survival story. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It starts off with a guy who's plugging away on

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Speaker 1: his sort of homemade vehicle through a pretty bited sort

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Speaker 1: of landscape. And he's got a kid with him who's,

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Speaker 1: as it turns out, not he's kid, but he's responsible

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Speaker 1: for her, and he's looking for or somewhere safe to stay. Really,

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Speaker 1: he's just looking for some kind of settlement that he

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Speaker 1: might be able to rest in. He's a kind of

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Speaker 1: an internal refugee. If you if you like, he's become

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Speaker 1: homeless and landless, and he's he's from the north of

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Speaker 1: Australia and he ends up in the south as as

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Speaker 1: the weather changes, and he's just trying to find somewhere

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Speaker 1: somewhere to sort of somewhere safe to be, you know,

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Speaker 1: because things aren't things are going very quickly down the duney,

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Speaker 1: shall we say.

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Speaker 2: As the weather changing. It's interesting you say. Juice has

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Speaker 2: been described as a love letter to Australia and a

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Speaker 2: hate mount of those who lay waste to the earth.

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Speaker 2: But I read that you resisted writing it for a

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Speaker 2: long time. Why was that?

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Speaker 1: It's a tough subject. I mean, who really wants to

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Speaker 1: write about the end of the world, you know, or

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Speaker 1: the possible end of the world. So it's pretty confronting,

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Speaker 1: and you know, it's a kind of a it's a

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Speaker 1: vision of hell, if you if you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's basically, you know, the people in my

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Speaker 1: book are sort of having to deal with a kind

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Speaker 1: of world that you know, I don't want to see

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Speaker 1: come about. And so I guess I'm just you know,

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Speaker 1: with the help of the you know, the science, just

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Speaker 1: try to imagine my way into a possible future if

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Speaker 1: we don't pull our finger out about taking meaningful and

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Speaker 1: urgent action on climate change.

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Speaker 3: And the book depicts how far into the future is this.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to think, like, is it one hundred years

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Speaker 3: out of where we are now or fifty or I.

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Speaker 1: Think it's now. I think it's probably more than one

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Speaker 1: hundred years. I mean, I think, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm probably dancing around in the book not being too

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Speaker 1: specific on that front because because you know, a lot

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Speaker 1: of records have been lost and people and not sure

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Speaker 1: where they are really by the stage, society is broken down.

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Speaker 1: But I think we're you know, we're finding that things

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Speaker 1: are changing very quickly. So all the worse predictions that

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Speaker 1: people were making, you know, when I was in high school,

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Speaker 1: not only have they come true, that things are much

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Speaker 1: worse than people predicted already. I mean, we're at winter

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Speaker 1: temperatures in the north of Australia in the forties this winter. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you got to when I worked down

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Speaker 3: an westn Australia to Karatha. Admitutely, it's been a long

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Speaker 3: time since I've been there, but there was one day it.

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Speaker 2: Was like thirty eight degrees in winter.

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Speaker 3: No, not in winter. When do you in a beautiful

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Speaker 3: twenty nine thirty eight degrees thirty eight degrees celsius like

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Speaker 3: every days? That's just today thirty eight And fine.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're going to make parts of the world I inhabit.

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Speaker 3: But in this book it gives you you can't even

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Speaker 3: live above the ground. All the people live underground because

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Speaker 3: the heat is such and all the water table, the

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Speaker 3: salt waters will come up and take it away, all

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Speaker 3: the fresh water. So these are the things whoa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I don't think people have in Australia have

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Speaker 1: really much of an idea of what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: The northern and part of Australia will be uninhabitable, and

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Speaker 1: of course they're all going to end up in in

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Speaker 1: Melbourne and Sydney. And I don't know if Melbourne and

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Speaker 1: Sydney is ready for that. I mean everyone went that

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Speaker 1: runs on about stopping the boats. How are you going

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Speaker 1: to stop the utes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But when I look at futuristic stuff like Mad

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Speaker 3: Max and stuff, you know how they dress in Mad Max.

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Speaker 3: At what point do they change into the outfit to

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Speaker 3: the leather stuff, Because it's sort of like, is it overnight.

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Speaker 3: Does that happen or does it?

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Speaker 1: Like you know? And where are they finding the leather? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Exactly if if if, if cattle have become completely unable

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Speaker 1: to be raised, where are you going to find the

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Speaker 1: leather unless you've got a nice Pleasa factory set up somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you this too? As a national living treasure?

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Speaker 2: Does that mean that once a year they put scaffolding

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Speaker 2: around you and get a bit of the bird pooh

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Speaker 2: or something?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, well, I mean you, I think that i'd

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Speaker 1: look after myself better than I do. But yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: when the cherry picker comes out and they've got the jet,

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Speaker 1: they've got the clean. In terms of a dermabrasing, it's

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Speaker 1: very extreme.

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Speaker 3: When they break out the gurney on, Tim Winton.

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Speaker 1: That's right, you know, and it's knock all my freckles off.

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Speaker 3: Well, you don't want to gurney ner freckle. Tim. It's

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Speaker 3: great to talk to you again. The book is fantastic.

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Speaker 3: I'm just enjoying it's such a page turner. It's at

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Speaker 3: all good bookstores. It's called Juice. Tim Winton, thank you

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Speaker 3: for joining.

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Speaker 1: Us Pleasure guys, have a good morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Tim. Carry on,