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Speaker 1: It is the week that was Joining us today on

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Speaker 1: the panel.

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Speaker 2: We've got nine News Darwin's Kathleen Gazola morning, good morning.

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Speaker 2: We've got Steve Edgington here from Tenant Creek or from

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Speaker 2: the Barkley for estimates and here for the for the supercars.

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Speaker 3: Morning Katie, and good morning to all the listeners.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you.

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Speaker 2: And we've got Lauren Mows, the Minister for a parliament

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Speaker 2: well fresh off the environmental questioning from estimates last night.

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Speaker 1: What time did you finish up on.

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Speaker 4: We finished at ten, so I am feeling very fresh

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Speaker 4: this morning, ready to go.

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Speaker 1: I'm onto my third coffee, so we'll be right.

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Speaker 4: It's just my first one, so hopefully you know you need.

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Speaker 1: You've got a bit of catching up to him now.

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Speaker 2: Look, it's been an incredibly busy week when you look

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Speaker 2: at what has been going on throughout Parliamentary estimates, and

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Speaker 2: we know the Opposition leader has said that she's gobsmack

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Speaker 2: to learn that the former police commissioner's contract payout came

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Speaker 2: out of the Northern Territory Police budget. The Treasurer even

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Speaker 2: all directed questions about Jamie Chalker's payout amount to the

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Speaker 2: policeman and the Office Officer for Public Employment during estimate yesterday,

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Speaker 2: saying that it's confidential, but Lea fanoki Airo reckons that

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Speaker 2: using funds from the police bottom line is a blow

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Speaker 2: for hard working officers, especially during a crime crisis. Let's

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Speaker 2: have a little bit of a listen to how it

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Speaker 2: played out in estimates.

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Speaker 4: Minister, Please, could you tell me where about in the budget, member.

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Speaker 5: Of Jamie Chalker, Well, that one will be an open

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Speaker 5: but to know George, that's very early. Ladies and gentlemen

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Speaker 5: the community. We'll look you thistians.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 6: So first of all, there would be a confidentiality agreement

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Speaker 6: and it's probably a question for the police Minister, but

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Speaker 6: I would say those sorts of payoffs at of sorts

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Speaker 6: of funding, those sorts of matters would be probably in

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Speaker 6: the Office of OCPE budget, but those those matters are.

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Speaker 5: Confidential and absolutely understand.

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Speaker 1: We would like to go downline question. Thank you, thank

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Speaker 1: you message.

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Speaker 5: I don't need your common share marking speciality the opposition

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Speaker 5: of us.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure you understand the importance of confidentiality.

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Speaker 4: Groom.

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Speaker 6: It's around hr matters for public servant.

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Speaker 2: So that was part of what unfolded during estimates throughout

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Speaker 2: the week. Now we know that that information was unfortunately

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Speaker 2: not forthcoming. The situation has, I think you have to

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Speaker 2: say now thrown the Chief Minister under the bus for

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Speaker 2: Monday when she sits in the hot seat during estimates. Kathleen,

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Speaker 2: you were listening to all of that unfolded throughout the week,

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Speaker 2: It was certainly an interesting scenario.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 7: We've all been wondering what exactly the We all wondered

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Speaker 7: what exactly was going on with that payment, where it

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Speaker 7: was coming from, how much it was obviously the rumors

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Speaker 7: it's a million dollars at minimum kind of thing. So

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Speaker 7: to learn where exactly it was coming from, I think

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Speaker 7: did surprise many people, especially given the issues that we've

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Speaker 7: seen around police, the fears around lack of resources and

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Speaker 7: that kind of thing. So certainly the opposition would have

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Speaker 7: been rubbing their hands in glee to be able to

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Speaker 7: have a crack at the Police minister. And then you

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Speaker 7: know the Treasurer and the Police Minister have put it

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Speaker 7: off to the Chief Minister, which doesn't usually happen in

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Speaker 7: estimates because pastically your first cap off three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, certainly you know the Chief Minister will

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Speaker 3: be up on mondays, it'll be interesting to see how

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Speaker 3: she tackles this very issue. But we're hearing figures of

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Speaker 3: anywhere between one and two million dollars. So the Treasurer

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Speaker 3: passed that off to the Police Minister. The Police minisiner

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Speaker 3: didn't want to talk about it. But the crucial issue

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Speaker 3: is that it's being hidden from territorians. But what impact

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Speaker 3: is that going to have on the bottom line when

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Speaker 3: it comes to policing. We know that crime is an

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Speaker 3: all time high. I think Michael White confirmed that. He

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Speaker 3: significant impact on the response to crime in the Northern juritory.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Lauren, from the government's perspective, when you're looking

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Speaker 2: at a payout that is taxpayers dollars, surely we have

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Speaker 2: a right to know how much it's going to call store,

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Speaker 2: how much.

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Speaker 1: It has cost.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think in terms of this matter, you know

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Speaker 4: those are generally not matters that you talk about publicly.

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Speaker 4: And also I think the other thing is that I'm

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Speaker 4: I believe it's also not in the reporting period, so

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Speaker 4: it wouldn't necessarily be something that would be going. But

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Speaker 4: this is what estimates, you know, estimates is to look

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Speaker 4: at a particular point in time or.

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Speaker 5: A particular period and and.

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Speaker 4: You know so, but generally we don't talk about the

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Speaker 4: individual employment matters.

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Speaker 1: It's a bit of a cop out, though, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: I mean like we're in a situation here where it's

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Speaker 2: come from the police bottom line, so from their operating budget,

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Speaker 2: a payout.

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Speaker 1: To the former commissioner. I get that. You know when

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Speaker 1: you when you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: A contract payout that there will indeed be confidentiality clauses,

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Speaker 2: but for to come out of the police operating budget.

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Speaker 1: When then you look at some.

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Speaker 2: Of those numbers and you know you're talking about the

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Speaker 2: expenditure of overtime. I'm hoping that I'm reading this correctly,

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Speaker 2: but eighteen point four million dollars spent on overtime this

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Speaker 2: financial year to March thirty one. It's an awful lot

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Speaker 3: Cody is eighteen point four million on overtime. Taking this

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Speaker 3: be available for some callouts during the year given the

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Speaker 3: impact on the budget. But now the police Minister went

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Speaker 3: even a bit further and denied any knowledge of the payment.

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Speaker 3: She denied any knowledge of the sacking. But then again

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Speaker 3: there was a legal action against her. So there's all

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Speaker 3: of these things that haven't really been explained to territorians

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Speaker 3: having legal action against.

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Speaker 1: Her, which thinks a lot more to it as well. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: You would suspect that there has had to be representation

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Speaker 2: legal fees, So how much is that costing the territory

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Speaker 2: tax parer? And again I'll say, I understand that there

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Speaker 2: would be confidentiality CI in place, but you are talking

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Speaker 1: We're not talking about monopoly money here.

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Speaker 3: And I think when it comes to legal fees, I

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Speaker 8: Source of general.

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Speaker 3: So there's more questions to ask about how much all

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Speaker 3: of this sagara's cost territories.

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Speaker 2: And look, I don't think that it's going to go

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Speaker 2: what you said, Lauren, that it's not within the reporting period.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's a bit silly for the government

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Speaker 2: to think that it's now going to disappear. And I

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Speaker 2: get some kind of idea. But the government's almost in

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Speaker 2: a situation where damned if you do and damned if

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Speaker 2: you don't. You know, no matter what figure that is,

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Speaker 2: people aren't going to be overly happy about it because

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Speaker 2: the fact of the matter is it was mishandled by

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Speaker 2: a payout.

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's been mishandled right from the very start to the

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Speaker 3: Police Minister and the Chief Minister had legal action taken

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Speaker 3: they paid out Jamie Chalkers so they didn't have to

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Speaker 3: go to court. So for the Police Minister to now

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Speaker 3: deny really any knowledge the fact that she was, I

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Speaker 3: suppose identified as one of the respondents in that legal case,

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Speaker 3: she really needs to come clean with Territories and tell

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Speaker 1: This, Lauren.

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Speaker 2: Are we in a situation here where no matter what

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Speaker 2: on Monday, when the Chief Minister fronts up. She's not

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Speaker 2: going to really be forthcoming with this information.

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Speaker 4: Look, I'm sure that it will come up on Monday

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Speaker 4: with the Chief Minister and that you know, she.

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Speaker 5: Always is a very good.

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Speaker 4: Performer in estimates and is you know, I think always

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Speaker 4: open to having these conversations. We do look at it

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Speaker 4: a certain period in time. We are looking at as

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Speaker 4: certain period's figures. It's not unusual that renuneration contract matters

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Speaker 4: for ces part of their agency budgets.

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Speaker 5: That's pretty standard.

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Speaker 4: And again but again there are obviously a confident in

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Speaker 2: I have just received a media release from the Northern

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Speaker 2: Territory Police Association. Now it says that members deserve to

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Speaker 2: know the extent of the reduction to the operational police

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Speaker 2: budget to fund former NTI Police Commissioner Jamie Chalkers as

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Speaker 2: yet undisclosed settlement. The Northern Territory Police Association President Nathan

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Speaker 2: Finn said it's unacceptable that our members and the public

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Speaker 2: impact the police budget bottom line. Now, he goes on

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Speaker 2: to say what operational policing needs will be will our

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Speaker 2: members and the public have to forego because of this decision,

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Speaker 2: the thin blue line is already stretched beyond breaking point

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Speaker 2: and the real cost of this payout will be felt

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Speaker 2: by our police and the community.

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Speaker 1: So that is just part of what he has had

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Speaker 7: He al's a good point, yes, that if she's not

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Speaker 7: aware of how much it was or not involved in that,

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Speaker 7: and it's come about because of you know, obviously a

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Speaker 7: falling out, why doesn't it come out of the Department

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Speaker 7: Public Employment Commissioner's department or something like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, how do I know?

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Speaker 3: Why isn't it a Treasury's advanced Why does it have

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Speaker 3: to come out the police? Bottom line? Nathan Finn is

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Speaker 3: exactly right. What impact is this going to have on

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Speaker 3: the operational budget over the next twelve months? And these

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Speaker 3: are the questions that need to be out. The government

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Speaker 3: can't keep hiding from this. We know that the prime

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Speaker 3: crisis is having a massive impact right around the territory.

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Speaker 3: People need to be certain. Territorians need to be reassured

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Speaker 3: that this isn't going to impact on policing services over

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Speaker 3: the next twelve well.

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Speaker 2: And one of the other things that he has outlined

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Speaker 2: in this pressure release is that another deeply concerning revelation

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Speaker 2: from estimates is that our members have worked one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty nine thousand hours of overtime in the financial

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Speaker 2: year to March thirty one. This is an average of

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Speaker 2: five hundred and eighty hours per day. If you divide

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Speaker 2: that by an eight hour shift, it means at least

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Speaker 2: seventy two additional offerses are needed each day to meet

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Speaker 7: And as we also heard from a c the Sick

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Speaker 7: Commissioner Michael White, he said they were obviously talking around

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Speaker 7: the use of the watchhouses and Darwin Watchhouse remains closed

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Speaker 7: and essentially least by the Corrections Department because of the

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Speaker 7: overflow of people within the custody system. He said that

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Speaker 7: we are reaching the highest level ever of apprehension and

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Speaker 7: custody numbers. In fact last week as the highest the

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Speaker 7: Northern Territories ever experienced and it's only continuing to rise,

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Speaker 7: which provides more risk to anti police and corrections, so

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Speaker 7: that over time is going to continue to rise.

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Speaker 5: They're facing increasing levels of crime, but of course.

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Speaker 2: Well, look we are going to have to take a

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Speaker 1: Impact of crime on education.

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Speaker 8: Take a listen how many school hours have been lost

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Speaker 6: A member for Catherine, as I said, you know, it

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Speaker 6: When people say due respect, I can't stand that because

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Speaker 6: Because I would have thought, as the opposition Achievement for Education,

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Speaker 6: That's as I said, It's just Minister is a safety

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Speaker 1: Put in the naughty fRNA. Indeed, that was pretty wild.

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Speaker 2: Now I've got to say, you know, like I've had

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Speaker 1: I'd be pretty upset by it. But Lauren, you didn't

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Speaker 4: Look, I think I think there was a progression over time.

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Speaker 4: very passionate about, and you're never going to find a

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Speaker 4: I think everyone would agree that she is so passionate

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Speaker 7: There is a whole few hours that you can cover

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Speaker 4: But it does your priorities when you're spending that much

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Speaker 5: Starting knowledge about the things that really.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that anybody has ever denied that crime

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Speaker 5: If you actually listen to estimates and I.

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Speaker 5: We have talked at length about that issue.

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Speaker 4: In fact, we talk about those issues all the time

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Speaker 4: There are people who have their children in our primary schools,

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Speaker 2: And so you think that the opposition didn't ask any

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Speaker 4: I'm saying it took it takes an awful long time

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Speaker 5: I don't feel safe at home.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think it gets hated, and certainly gets hated

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Speaker 5: And obviously there.

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Speaker 1: I thought, honestly, I thought he and Joel had to

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Speaker 5: But it's certainly not an isolated.

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Speaker 1: He No, not that entire day.

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Speaker 7: Definitely, the tension between the opposition leader and Eva was

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Speaker 5: Ministers. I think there's a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Behavior coming from because look that that behavior is totally inappropriate. Look,

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Speaker 3: two hundred and fifteen break ins at schools, costing tax

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Speaker 3: payers around eight hundred thousand. Now, if this is what

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Speaker 3: upsets the education minister, I would have thought she'd be

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Speaker 3: that type of behavior is flowing on into the schools.

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Speaker 3: Children learn behavior from other people in the community. Crime

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Speaker 2: Colleague, and look, I will say that we've seen some

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Speaker 2: I think there's been you know, there was a situation

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Speaker 2: I remember there was some interesting performances from Adam Giles

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Speaker 2: But look, for me, I always think how would I

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Speaker 1: Then opposition.

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Speaker 7: What Lauren said is actually is very passionate about education.

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Speaker 5: That is her life's passion.

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Speaker 7: She was a teacher for a very long time, principal

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Speaker 7: also we can't discount that crime is impacting everyone of

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Speaker 1: Have lost school.

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Speaker 7: We have had lost school because classrooms and schools have

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Speaker 2: Parents contact me at the station, concerned about safety.

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Speaker 3: I think Katie, from what I heard, a number of

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Speaker 3: on the money, and that's what territories are telling.

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Speaker 4: Us at the moment.

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Speaker 2: And one thing I do want to point out, because

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Speaker 1: On each portfolio.

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Speaker 2: Now it's up to them as your opposition, as the

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Speaker 2: So I think it's a bit rich for the government

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Speaker 1: That's not your job. Your job's to answer the questions.

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Speaker 3: And we do sit around, we talk about what questions,

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Speaker 3: there's clearly a problem in schools at the moment. You know,

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Speaker 5: More money going into schools than there was under the CLP.

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Speaker 3: There's one hundred at the moment. The government's quite willing

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Speaker 7: Well, I think that estimates you actually get more detail

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Speaker 7: Estimates is that opportunity to get into the nitty gritty,

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Speaker 1: There is so much content.

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Speaker 3: She should apologize. The listeners clearly commenting on your show,

448
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Speaker 3: said it was inappropriate as well. I think the average

449
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Speaker 3: person listening to.

450
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Speaker 4: That obviously it's a committee in details stage essentially, there

451
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Speaker 4: are rules and standing orders around that, and I think

452
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Speaker 4: that that was dealt with in the processed for an

453
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Speaker 4: apology for well, look, quite frankly, you know, I'm I'm

454
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Speaker 4: hearing what we Yes, we certainly haven't. We've had that

455
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Speaker 4: direct to us, and you know, look we have school

456
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Speaker 4: students who come in and yes, you're quite right. Sometimes

457
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Speaker 4: we go oh, but it does get heated, that's why

458
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Speaker 4: we do have standing orders, That's why we do have sharing.

459
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Speaker 4: But I will say, you know, and Steve talks about,

460
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Speaker 4: you know, our communities and reflecting what our communities are

461
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Speaker 4: interested in, teachers and principles, they're also part of our

462
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Speaker 4: school communities. I've got brilliant schools in my community, and

463
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Speaker 4: I think a lot of them will be really, really

464
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Speaker 4: disappointed to know that so much of that conversation was

465
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Speaker 4: dominated by you know, essentially, and I will be I

466
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Speaker 4: will say, trying to get grabs that you can then

467
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Speaker 4: politicize without context, because that does happen as well. Twenty

468
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Speaker 4: eight injuries is rubbish and public sentence I hadn't finished yet,

469
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Speaker 4: but public servants put in a lot of work so

470
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Speaker 4: that we can talk about the breadth of what things across,

471
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Speaker 4: you know, across the agency. And yes, the opposition have

472
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Speaker 4: the right to ask whatever they want, but.

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Speaker 2: Think the question or do you think that the budget

474
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Speaker 2: estimates should be an opportunity for the opposition to ask

475
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Speaker 2: questions about what the government is doing well?

476
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Speaker 1: And then I think both? But isn't that your job?

477
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Speaker 1: And we do like to actually do that.

478
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Speaker 4: With But I'm what I'm saying is I don't think

479
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Speaker 4: that the only priority in education is trying to take

480
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Speaker 4: twenty eight injuries of teachers.

481
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Speaker 5: And suggests that that's what to do.

482
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Speaker 3: Look, if the government is doing well, why an't they

483
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Speaker 3: telling people during the year. Why aren't they putting that

484
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Speaker 3: information around what they're actually doing when it comes to estimates,

485
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Speaker 3: we're asking the questions that territories want to hear. And

486
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Speaker 3: I'm sure that those teachers, twenty eight teachers that have

487
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Speaker 3: been a So I think it was only what two

488
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Speaker 3: or three years ago a survey suggested that students were

489
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Speaker 3: more concerned about their safety rather than doing their exams

490
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Speaker 3: that year, So I think I'm.

491
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Speaker 2: Not sure that was a Yeah, I can't remember. I

492
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Speaker 2: can't remember that survey.

493
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Speaker 1: But I'm not sure people.

494
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Speaker 3: Want to know where taxpayers money is going. When there's

495
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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty thousand dollars spent on break ins

496
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Speaker 3: at schools, these are the issues that taxpayers want.

497
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Speaker 7: To I mean, without a doubt, there's always a topic

498
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Speaker 7: that's going to be the main focus during estimates, usually

499
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Speaker 7: per portfolio. It just happens that this year crime is

500
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Speaker 7: across the board, And I mean, it doesn't matter who's

501
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Speaker 7: in power who's the opposition. There's always going to be

502
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Speaker 7: those game playing as well at what things they want

503
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Speaker 7: to focus on, So it doesn't matter who.

504
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Speaker 2: Even in previo issues, you know, we've seen like there

505
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Speaker 2: has literally been about the level of debt we're in

506
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Speaker 2: and things like that, and that's still a concern. But

507
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Speaker 2: right now I think that you know, unfortunately, the battle

508
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Speaker 2: that the government has got is that crime is such

509
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Speaker 2: a dominant issue across the community that it's very easy

510
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Speaker 2: for the opposition to actually be able to use that

511
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Speaker 2: across every portfolio because it is impacting every portfolio. You know,

512
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Speaker 2: it's impacting every area.

513
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Speaker 3: The anger that ever expressed during estimates that issue's angry

514
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Speaker 3: about issues around crime. That type of questioning. Take ended

515
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Speaker 3: the cabinet, Bring change to the government of the day,

516
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Speaker 3: change the laws to fixed crime in the Northern Territory.

517
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Speaker 3: Take your anger else.

518
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Speaker 7: With well, telling that the pressure was how high?

519
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Speaker 1: Really?

520
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is what it seemed like that the government

521
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Speaker 2: is under under pressure, and it was it was coming across.

522
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Speaker 2: But look, we're going to have to take a very

523
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Speaker 2: short break. You are listening to Mix one O four

524
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Speaker 2: nine's three sixty. We're coming to you live this morning.

525
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Speaker 1: From the supercars.

526
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Speaker 2: Well, and if you've just joined us and you're wondering,

527
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: what is that noise in the background, we are coming

528
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Speaker 2: to your Live today from the Darwin Triple Crowd, Supercars,

529
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Speaker 2: the Indigenous Round. It is all happening out here and

530
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Speaker 2: it's been all happening throughout the week. With budget estimates underway,

531
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Speaker 2: there has been a lot of information gleaned now, Kathleen,

532
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Speaker 2: you've been covering for quite some time the damage out

533
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Speaker 2: at Howard Springs, out at the facility out there, as

534
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Speaker 2: we had a number of floody vacuees taken out to

535
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Speaker 2: Howard Springs to stay out there, quite a significant amount

536
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Speaker 2: of damage.

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Speaker 1: Now you've revealed a few weeks.

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Speaker 2: Back the volume of windows that needed to be replaced.

539
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Speaker 1: Almost seven hundred, almost seven hundred windows.

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Speaker 2: Now we've got a bit of a clearer idea of

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Speaker 2: the initial cost.

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Speaker 7: Yes, so so far what's been spent is almost three

543
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Speaker 7: hundred thousand dollars, so two hundred and eighty eight thousand

544
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Speaker 7: something something something, And then obviously we've got the tenders

545
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Speaker 7: on top of it to replace the first tranch windows

546
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Speaker 7: and then there was like a tender for one hundred windows.

547
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Speaker 7: Then a tender for six five hundred windows sorry, the mattresses,

548
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Speaker 7: fire extinguishers, the sewage system as well had to be

549
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Speaker 7: fixed in certain areas because of nappies and rocks also

550
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Speaker 7: left in it. So so far in the reporting period

551
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Speaker 7: of estimates, as they say, it was almost three hundred thousand,

552
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Speaker 7: So all of those are going to add up. Then

553
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Speaker 7: your plus on top of it, there was seventy two

554
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Speaker 7: police officers had to be rosted through that center, plus

555
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Speaker 7: with private security on top of that, which was more

556
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Speaker 7: than a million dollars. Then you had on the other

557
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Speaker 7: bits and pieces that have to go with looking after

558
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Speaker 7: people there as well.

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Speaker 1: It's a huge amount of money, you know.

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Speaker 2: And there's sort of been a suggestion, I guess from

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Speaker 2: the government that you feel as though the CLP is

562
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Speaker 2: politicizing this and that you feel as though they know

563
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Speaker 2: they're insinuating that people shouldn't have been evacuated and allowed

564
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Speaker 2: to stay at Howard Springs.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think it's that. I think it's more

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Speaker 1: at the level of damage, oh definitely.

567
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Speaker 3: And look, the CLP supports, of course, we support evacuation

568
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Speaker 3: and what we don't support is damage and cover ups

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Speaker 3: by the labor government, because right from the very start,

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Speaker 3: we've had the Chief Minister come out and tell us

571
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Speaker 3: that it's been wear and tear, even during estimates. I

572
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Speaker 3: think Eva used the word we're in tear four times

573
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Speaker 3: whilst we're hearing all of the new figures that we've

574
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Speaker 3: had to dig really deep to get those, and it

575
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Speaker 3: hasn't been politicized, you know, to hear that there was

576
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Speaker 3: seventy two police rotated through there in another.

577
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Speaker 1: One seventy two seventy two.

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Speaker 3: Police and one point one two million is spent on security.

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Speaker 3: Even yesterday questioning Cape Loden, we heard that there was

580
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Speaker 3: a sobering up shelter there and there was also a

581
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Speaker 3: shelter or a safe house for women and children. But

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Speaker 3: to top it all off, you know, this is the

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Speaker 3: Minister for Prevention of Family, domestic and Sexual violence. They

584
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Speaker 3: weren't even recording the number of people going through the

585
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Speaker 3: safe house. So how do you take action when those

586
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Speaker 3: statistics aren't even being recorded? And we still and she

587
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Speaker 3: wasn't even able to say whether any of those domestic

588
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Speaker 3: violence incidents were reported to police even though women and

589
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Speaker 3: children were taking shelter in a safe house.

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Speaker 2: Lauren, do you think that we like that it was

591
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Speaker 2: just the wrong location realistically to be a housing families.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you've got a situation where people are

593
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Speaker 2: traveling in you've got families. In some cases, I would imagine,

594
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Speaker 2: you know, maybe three kids, two kids, and you're staying

595
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Speaker 2: out there at how it springs, and there's people from

596
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Speaker 2: various different communities like it just seemed as though it

597
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Speaker 2: did not work.

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Speaker 4: And look, if you look at other times when we've

599
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Speaker 4: had natural pas, that's a cyclone things, and you've got

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Speaker 4: people who are evacuated to say to showgrounds. You know,

601
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Speaker 4: so here you've got a facility. I would say it's

602
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Speaker 4: probably be much better facility than evacuating people to the showgrounds.

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Speaker 4: So government has used the best available facility that we

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Speaker 4: have access to and management of for evacuees, and I

605
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Speaker 4: think that's entirely appropriate. I think what will happen now,

606
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Speaker 4: as happens at on the back of any natural disaster,

607
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Speaker 4: is that all of those agencies who are involved, and

608
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Speaker 4: presumably territory families who let that welfare response, will have

609
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Speaker 4: to do a debrief on how that worked and making

610
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Speaker 4: sure that those any learnings from that can be implemented

611
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Speaker 4: in the future.

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Speaker 5: But we are talking about a disaster.

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Speaker 4: We are talking about circumstances where police, emergency services, welfare

614
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Speaker 4: response have to be stood up really quickly and people

615
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 4: need to be taken to a safe place, and then

616
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Speaker 4: there's a whole process about transitioning home that's incredibly difficult,

617
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Speaker 4: something we're very used to doing the territory, but we

618
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Speaker 4: try and improve that every time.

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Speaker 3: And I think Lawrence touched on that there should be

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Speaker 3: a review of what happened. But even during estimates, Eva

621
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Speaker 3: Laula said that she wouldn't do anything differently. But this

622
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Speaker 3: is the amazing part about her. She said she wouldn't

623
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Speaker 3: do anything differently. But we've just rattled off all of

624
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Speaker 3: this damage and seventy two please one point one two.

625
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Speaker 3: On security, there's a safe house that's sobing up shelter

626
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Speaker 3: which indeed do anything different that hangs. So there needs

627
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: to be a full review and of course those findings

628
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: should be publicly released so that people can see what

629
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Speaker 3: actually happened, what are the findings, and what could be

630
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Speaker 3: done differently next time.

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Speaker 4: Just to be clear, Eva was answering questions that were

632
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Speaker 4: relevant to her agency's delivery around z in tower screens,

633
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Speaker 4: which is infrastructure and bus service to transport, those elements

634
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Speaker 4: of what's going on. So in terms of so what

635
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Speaker 4: I'm saying, Steve, when you say Eva's saying she wouldn't

636
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Speaker 4: do anything differently, Eva is not Eva's department.

637
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Speaker 5: It was not the department who.

638
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Speaker 4: Were collborating the welfare response. There's always a deep brief,

639
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Speaker 4: there's always a review of what happens in these circumstances, as.

640
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: There should be, and I think there absolutely needs to be.

641
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Speaker 2: One of the things so that I'm keen to touch

642
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Speaker 2: on is I know the Treasurer had said that the

643
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Speaker 2: total cost of the budget with damage that damage was

644
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Speaker 2: two hundred and eighty eight thousand dollars as you've gone

645
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: through there just a moment ago for as Kathleen. But

646
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Speaker 2: despite that, there has been no police charges. So there's like,

647
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Speaker 2: it's obvious to me that there's been criminal damage if

648
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Speaker 2: we'd be honest about such a huge volume of From

649
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Speaker 2: the questioning to Kate yesterday in regards to those police charges, I.

650
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Speaker 7: Really didn't get much of an impression that anyone's going

651
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Speaker 7: to be found to be because she was very very

652
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 7: set on the wording if evidence is found, So unless

653
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Speaker 7: someone is caught on camera, and the proof is there

654
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 7: of seeing them smashing something up using the fire extinguishers,

655
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 7: ripping up mattresses or whatever. Whether charges are going to

656
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 7: flow or not is a big question. I wasn't really

657
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Speaker 7: convinced there would be any To be honest with you.

658
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Speaker 4: Is that I break.

659
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Speaker 3: I'm astounded that no charges have been laid for that

660
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Speaker 3: amount of damage, the amount of replacement windows up to

661
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Speaker 3: five hundred and seventy odd windows.

662
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Speaker 1: One hundred and seventy, six hundred and seventy.

663
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Speaker 3: So to find that there's no charges being laid at

664
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Speaker 3: this stage when we had seventy two police rotating through

665
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Speaker 3: there obviously a number of security people. When you spend

666
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Speaker 3: one point one two million just on security, somebody must

667
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Speaker 3: have seen something. Now to investigate that matter, a lot

668
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Speaker 3: of questions need to be asked, and I'm sure that

669
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Speaker 3: a thorough investigation would get.

670
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Speaker 2: To the bottom.

671
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Speaker 7: And I'd had you bet that predominantly most of the

672
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Speaker 7: damage was caused by kids throwing rocks, and so you'd

673
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Speaker 7: think maybe those kids might be too young to face

674
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Speaker 7: charges and perhaps have to go through diversion or get

675
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Speaker 7: the warning system whatever that may.

676
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Speaker 2: Now, I don't know, but it's Look, I don't think

677
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Speaker 2: that it bodes well to the community. You know, like

678
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Speaker 2: people are sort of going, hang on a second, there's

679
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Speaker 2: a huge amount of damage there, It's a significant amount

680
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Speaker 2: of money, and how is there nobody then responsible for us?

681
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Speaker 4: Well, look, I mean police will have to investigate criminal

682
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Speaker 4: matters and so you know, yes, there will have to

683
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Speaker 4: be evidence to be able to charge somebody with a crime.

684
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Speaker 5: That's how it seems so, but.

685
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Speaker 1: It's sort of based on what the government.

686
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Speaker 5: Says are doing that work.

687
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Speaker 2: I guess it seems so based on what the government's

688
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Speaker 2: saying through questioning and also even just what you've said

689
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Speaker 2: then that it doesn't seem like the government thinks it's

690
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Speaker 2: a criminal matter. It seems so you guys do genuinely

691
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Speaker 2: think it's where and.

692
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Speaker 3: Tee it seems to we're being brushed off. And look,

693
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Speaker 3: the government had a duty of care to keep people safe.

694
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Speaker 3: They had a duty to spend taxpayers money responsibly. They've

695
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Speaker 3: clearly failed.

696
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Speaker 1: At both of them.

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Speaker 4: I think that where I think that actually would have

698
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Speaker 4: been really clear that where criminal damage has occurred, we

699
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Speaker 4: expect that to be thoroughly investigated and that people will

700
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Speaker 4: be held responsible.

701
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Speaker 2: So that's about a directive to the police.

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Speaker 5: Police act on criminal matters, that's what.

703
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Speaker 3: They do, and there needs to be a report. So

704
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Speaker 3: the real question is has the responsible minister reported that

705
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Speaker 3: to the police. Is there a formal complaint about the damage,

706
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Speaker 3: what investigation is being done and when will we see

707
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Speaker 3: the outcome?

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Speaker 7: Essentially, yeah, the police Minister said there's needs to be

709
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Speaker 7: a complainant, which is someone obviously going to police and

710
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Speaker 7: making a complaint of something happening, which in this circumstance

711
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Speaker 7: is the Infrastructure Department is tipple.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to They're.

713
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Speaker 7: Obviously doing the construction assessment at the moment, which will

714
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Speaker 7: tally up the exact cost of what is needed and

715
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Speaker 7: perhaps once they have that information then go to police

716
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Speaker 7: and say we've had this much damage.

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Speaker 1: Investigating if they're not already.

718
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Speaker 3: But the important thing is that assessment still underway. There's

719
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Speaker 3: likely to be more damage identified. Look, I've heard stories,

720
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Speaker 3: it's anecdotal, but I'm hearing that there's damage to air

721
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Speaker 3: conditioning as well.

722
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's wait and see exactly what the situation is.

723
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Speaker 2: We are going to have to take a very short

724
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Speaker 2: break when we come back. I'm still keen to have

725
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Speaker 2: a quick look at the code yellow at the hospital,

726
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: but also that train derailment and a bit of an

727
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Speaker 2: update on that situation. You are listening to Mix one

728
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Speaker 2: O four point nine three sixty. We are indeed coming

729
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Speaker 2: to you live this morning from the Supercars. You are

730
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Speaker 2: indeed listening to the week that was, and we are

731
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Speaker 2: coming to you live this morning from the supercars. It's

732
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Speaker 2: all happening at the Darwin Triple Crown Supercars, the Indigenous

733
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Speaker 2: Round underway, and well, there has been so much to

734
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Speaker 2: cover off on this week and throughout everything going on.

735
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Speaker 2: With estimates, there probably hasn't been as much coverage of

736
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Speaker 2: the code yellow at the hospital as what there ordinarily

737
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Speaker 2: would be. So the code yellow was called on Wednesday

738
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Speaker 2: for Royal Darwin and Palmerston Hospital due to a peak

739
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Speaker 2: in hospital demand following a steady increase of patient admissions.

740
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Speaker 1: Now we'd caught up.

741
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Speaker 2: With Cat Hatcher from the Nursing Ambigwiffree Union a little

742
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Speaker 2: earlier this week and she had explained to us that

743
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Speaker 2: for a lot of the nurses out there, you know,

744
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: they're actually quite okay when the code yellow is called,

745
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Speaker 2: because it means that it's all hands on deck everybody

746
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: is there able to help each other and really get

747
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: stuck into helping patients. But she also really revealed to

748
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Speaker 2: us that the last code yellow it only lifted I

749
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Speaker 2: think on the sixth of June, so we've really only

750
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Speaker 2: been out of the yellow.

751
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Speaker 1: For a small period of time before we're back.

752
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Speaker 2: Into the next one, which you know, does demonstrate that

753
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: there are issues with staffing, as she had touched on,

754
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: and we know that that's a nationwide thing, but certainly

755
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: for us here in the territory, we're feeling the impacts

756
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: of that. And fundamentally, you know, people want to be

757
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: able to know that if they need to see, you know,

758
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: if they need to head into the hospital, that they're

759
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Speaker 2: going to be able to see who they need to

760
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Speaker 2: which I think, you know, we all know and understand

761
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Speaker 2: that our healthcare professionals do a phenomenal job in ensuring

762
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Speaker 2: that that happens.

763
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Speaker 1: But gee, it's a lot of stress.

764
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Speaker 7: And at the hospitals, and it is becoming so regular

765
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Speaker 7: that we do see this. Obviously you touched on it,

766
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Speaker 7: it only o being lifted about a week ago. I mean,

767
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 7: in this circumstance, they did say elective surgeries hadn't been

768
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Speaker 7: deferred at this time, which is a big part of

769
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Speaker 7: Usually the code yellows, those elective surgeries get pushed back

770
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Speaker 7: until they can get everything under control, which isn't great

771
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Speaker 7: for those people who have those chronic pain that are

772
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 7: trying to get fixed or having to wait again and again,

773
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Speaker 7: which we already know the wait list is so long

774
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 7: as it is, so it will be very interesting to

775
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 7: see the Health Minister, the Chief Minister be confronted with

776
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 7: these questions on Monday, because she wouldn't have had those

777
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 7: if she had been first cap up the rank when

778
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 7: she gets back from landing.

779
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Speaker 4: I understand in this in this case that the elective

780
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 4: surgeries haven't been defended. Heyah so, and you know, I

781
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 4: think Cat's right. Obviously, when there's a Code yellow, there's

782
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 4: different measures that kick in that are around patient flow,

783
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 4: and they do they get on with it and they

784
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: do an absolutely phenomenal job. There's obviously a twenty five

785
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 4: million dollar investment in that thirty two bed multipurpose ord

786
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Speaker 4: as well, which I think is going to be welcomed.

787
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Speaker 4: There's mental health infrastructure that will be coming online as well,

788
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 4: which will help with that patient flow out of the

789
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Speaker 4: ED and the life for the aged care, Yeah, the

790
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 4: age care, and also the things like the corresponder model

791
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Speaker 4: where we've got clinicians going out with first responders to

792
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 4: help try and divert some of those triple zero around

793
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 4: mental health distress away from the ED. These are all

794
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 4: things that have to continue to work together and help lift.

795
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Speaker 3: Those Sure Baty, what we're seeing is clearly a health

796
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: system in crisis at the moment. This is the tenth

797
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 3: Code yellow since February twenty twenty one. So not only

798
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: have we seen Code yellows in Darwin and Palmerston, but

799
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: the whole health system in places like Catherine TenneT Creek

800
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: and Alice Springs is under a lot of pressure as well.

801
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: It was only eighteen months ago the Chief Minister couldn't

802
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 3: tell us how many vacancies there were in the hospitals.

803
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 3: Now that's very worrying and it says to me that

804
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: the Chief Minister has clearly lost control of the health system.

805
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 3: It might be time for her to think about putting

806
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: a different minister in charge of health because as the

807
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: Chief Minister, there's a big workload that goes with that.

808
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 3: She's clearly lost control of the health system at the

809
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: moment and it's not working what she's doing.

810
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: At the moment.

811
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Speaker 4: I think she's been an incredible health minister. She's actually

812
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Speaker 4: probably the longest serving health mist in the country too,

813
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 4: very very experienced.

814
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 7: A personal passion in it as well, given her experience

815
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Speaker 7: give family having to be involved with it. I mean

816
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Speaker 7: this crist and have been going on for it. It

817
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 7: definitely has been going on for.

818
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Speaker 5: A long time.

819
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Speaker 7: And we've heard those things that are being put in

820
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Speaker 7: place to improve it.

821
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Speaker 1: So should those have happened sooner?

822
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Speaker 3: Well, so it's clearly time for change that the Health Minister,

823
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 3: you know, the Chief Minister has been there far too long.

824
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Speaker 3: It's time to look at reinvigorating the have you.

825
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Speaker 4: Been anointed the shadow Health wasn't really.

826
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Speaker 3: Fantastic respon.

827
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Speaker 2: We are just going to have to move along because

828
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Speaker 2: I do just want to give our listeners a bit

829
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Speaker 2: of an update on the trail train derailment. As we

830
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Speaker 2: know emergency services earlier in the week we're responding to

831
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Speaker 2: that trained derailment in Cossack. Now I think we've probably

832
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: all seen the photos now it was extensive and you know,

833
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 2: a huge shout out I think goes to our frontline

834
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: services our fieries, our emergency services, our police, everybody involved

835
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Speaker 2: in making sure that you know that things got under

836
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Speaker 2: control as quickly as they did.

837
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Speaker 7: And it could have been a very nasty I personally,

838
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Speaker 7: after seeing what happened in the Hunter Valley over that weekend,

839
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Speaker 7: something like that with a crane and a truck, a

840
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Speaker 7: train and a truck could end.

841
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Speaker 5: In just catastrophic disaster as well.

842
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Speaker 7: So it was incredible that people stuff at injuries, which

843
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 7: isn't great of course, and I believe that they recovered life.

844
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Speaker 3: I'm just glad we've got fully trained people that can

845
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 3: respond to these. You know, our frontline workers, I believe

846
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 3: are the best in the country, and I think when

847
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 3: it comes to you know, these, this is a real

848
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 3: disaster and I think just trying to clean up first

849
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Speaker 3: responders on the scene. I'm glad that there was no

850
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 3: serious injuries that I've heard of at the marment, but

851
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 3: it could have been a lot worse.

852
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Speaker 2: And I tell you what, I think for a lot

853
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Speaker 2: of a lot of people, they would have heard Joshua Fisher,

854
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: from the Deputy Chief Fire Officer on the show yesterday

855
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 2: detailing just how significant that response was from our frontline

856
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: services and It is incredible the way that they mobilized

857
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: and had the support right across the board to be

858
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: able to do that. But just a little bit of

859
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: an update, so we know now from the suppliers of

860
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: the supermarket suppliers, basically new supplies of food were delivered

861
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: into Catherine yesterday afternoon by train, and trucks transported supplies

862
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: later in the day into Darwin.

863
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Speaker 1: So by the look of it, the.

864
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Speaker 2: Detachment of those wagons and removal of containers on the

865
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Speaker 2: train that's happened, removal of well, basically that recovery work

866
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Speaker 2: is also going to include the removal of damaged locomotives

867
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Speaker 2: and wagons, bikrane and heavy equipment.

868
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Speaker 1: At this stage, it's looking as though.

869
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: Those track repairs to be completed and the rail service

870
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Speaker 2: is expected to recommence by late Saturday, pending any unforeseen issues.

871
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Speaker 7: So amazing how fast they're able to work. And I mean,

872
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 7: we've heard through all the things about developing the North,

873
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 7: those supply links are so vital to be able to

874
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 7: do that. Obviously around the defense stuff, and it was

875
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 7: highlighted as a weakness for hours, but just the fact

876
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 7: that they've been able to say that they'll be cleared

877
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 7: and ready to go by the end of Saturday on

878
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Speaker 7: the road.

879
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Speaker 4: And yeah, everybody's just clicking number exactly.

880
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 5: Amazing.

881
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Speaker 3: Really, congratulations to all the responders, and look, I just

882
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: want to thank them for the work that they do

883
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: every day of the week and this is just another

884
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 3: example of how good our first responders are.

885
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Speaker 1: Absolutely well, that is it for the week that was.

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Speaker 2: This morning nine News Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, thank you for

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Speaker 2: your time today. Steve Eedgington from the colp are here

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Speaker 2: from the Barklays, Thanks.

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Speaker 1: For your time this morning. Good to have you on

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 2: Lauren Moss all the way from Cash Arena, thank you

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Speaker 2: this morning. Are we going to catch you doing a

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Speaker 2: hot lap later?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Look, probably not, but I will be here over the

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Speaker 4: weekend enjoying I'd look, I do, enjoyment of the

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Speaker 5: Love it atmosphere is grain