WEBVTT - Where Is Tammy Hembrow's Husband?

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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<v Speaker 1>hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Kate Torba and coming up on today's show, Mikayla Testa

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<v Speaker 1>says she's done talking about the Paul family and how

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<v Speaker 1>Amy Connor's morning routine ended up with a police investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>But first, rumors are swelling about the state of Tammy

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<v Speaker 1>Hembro's five month marriage after her husband Matt Sakowski, was

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<v Speaker 1>absent from not only her Easter celebrations but her birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>So speculation has been building since Tammy unfollowed her husband

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<v Speaker 1>last month and removed the title missus Zakowski from her

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram bio. I feel like it's this unfollow that has

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<v Speaker 1>put a lot of us on ringwatch. Every time Tammy

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<v Speaker 1>appears on her Instagram story and she's not wearing her

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<v Speaker 1>massive diamonds our inbox is literally flooded with messages of

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<v Speaker 1>people being like, oh my god, this confirms that they're

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<v Speaker 1>not together and truth be told. In the past couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks, she has appeared quite a number of times

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<v Speaker 1>without her rings on, in saying that she has been

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<v Speaker 1>wearing them as well. That's why It's so confusing because

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you're like, oh my god, she hasn't worn her

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<v Speaker 1>ring for ages, and then suddenly this massive diamond will

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<v Speaker 1>be in her next story.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, she's always working out as part of her brand.

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<v Speaker 1>She's always in gym gear, and it would be very

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<v Speaker 1>difficult working out with those rocks on your hand. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I hardly ever wear my wedding rings when I'm

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<v Speaker 1>home looking after my son because it's just too big.

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<v Speaker 2>K Is that what you're trying.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, they're not as big as ta me having bros.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm saying I get really uncomfortable with jewely on

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<v Speaker 1>and if you're always washing your hands and you're looking

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<v Speaker 1>after a baby. So I'm glad no one's watching the

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<v Speaker 1>status of my rings.

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<v Speaker 2>I always have mine on.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel naked during the day if I don't, because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've lost it. I know some people

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<v Speaker 1>sleep in their engagement and wedding bets.

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<v Speaker 2>I draw the line at that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I can't. I can't even sleep with like ear

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<v Speaker 1>rings and I have to have everything taken out. But

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is, if my marriage was under speculation and

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<v Speaker 1>people were like, hang on a day together, I'd definitely

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<v Speaker 1>be wearing them in my Instagram stories. I have noticed

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<v Speaker 1>in a couple of their recent tiktoks where she was

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<v Speaker 1>miming to break up songs where she was I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to allude that something was going on. She did

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<v Speaker 1>have her sleeves covering her hands. Yeah, I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>very odd behavior. I can see why people are so

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<v Speaker 1>interested to know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and suspicion was.

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<v Speaker 1>Really raised further over the Easter Long weekend when he

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<v Speaker 1>was visibly absent from her celebrations and Tammy had what

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<v Speaker 1>looked like a really wholesome Easter morning. I always love

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<v Speaker 1>how she interacts with her kids. They're always dancing around.

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<v Speaker 1>They were in matching pj's. I love how you say

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<v Speaker 1>how she interacts with her kids, because I always feel

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<v Speaker 1>a bit weird when you know that the influencer has

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<v Speaker 1>propped up their phone to film something, and you can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but feel like it's a little bit performative. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but the kids always look comfortable, so I get the

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<v Speaker 1>vibe that the dancing also happens when the camera is off.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think it's quite cute and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the content that we've been seeing of late with her

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<v Speaker 1>and her kids is content that she used to share

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<v Speaker 1>when she was single and sparking a lot of those

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<v Speaker 1>memories for me. So yeah, she did show a very

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<v Speaker 1>wholesome morning. Her kids were eating Easter bunnies for breakfast

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<v Speaker 1>and also hot Cross buns, and the video showed Tammy

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<v Speaker 1>being every part of the doting mum, And it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>take long for followers to start questioning, well, where is

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<v Speaker 1>her husband, Matt Sakowski in all of this? So one

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<v Speaker 1>follower wrote, I just don't get why Matt is never

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<v Speaker 1>in the picks. It's weird and definitely shows something is

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<v Speaker 1>going on with them. She seems doomed for any relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a bit harsh that comment. Another said, and

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<v Speaker 1>the husband, what pjs did he wear? Whilst another said

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<v Speaker 1>that photo of the pool is just stunning? But okay,

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<v Speaker 1>why is Tammy a married, single mum? It does feel

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<v Speaker 1>like Tammy is trying to make a point by sharing

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<v Speaker 1>this Easter content because it's very obvious that he's not

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<v Speaker 1>there and she knows people are going to comment, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like she cleared it up in the comments

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<v Speaker 1>and said, oh, Matt was away with his family at Easter.

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<v Speaker 1>There was nothing or shared that she was facetiming him

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that, and it does paint him as

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<v Speaker 1>being the baddie because she's essentially saying, well, he's absent

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<v Speaker 1>from these very wholesome family activities. And what makes it

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<v Speaker 1>even more complicated is the fact that Matt has taken

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<v Speaker 1>this social media hiatus, so as his followers, we really

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what he's been up to, what state is in,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on. Yeah, I think people were expecting to

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<v Speaker 1>see him at the Easter celebrations, particularly because Tammy had

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<v Speaker 1>shared this TikTok five days earlier where she was gushing

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<v Speaker 1>about how amazing their relationship was and it was so

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<v Speaker 1>great for her kids to see this special type of

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<v Speaker 1>love between the two of them. Yeah, So she captioned

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<v Speaker 1>the video a family where my kids see just how

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<v Speaker 1>much he loves their mum. And in the video, Tammy

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<v Speaker 1>and Matt were cuddling whilst Tammy's daughter Posey looked on

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<v Speaker 1>and then eventually joined in on the cuddle. And that

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<v Speaker 1>video attracted over three million views and over half a

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<v Speaker 1>million likes because it was the first time that we'd

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<v Speaker 1>seen Matt in Tammy's content since that unfollow and there

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be a sense of relief from some of

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<v Speaker 1>Tammy's followers. In the comment section. One follower wrote, so

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<v Speaker 1>glad to see this, so much talk about your relationship

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<v Speaker 1>being on the rocks, whilst another said, oh they've made up.

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<v Speaker 1>How cute. Matt was also nowhere to be seen on

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<v Speaker 1>Tammy's birthday. So on Tuesday A, Tammy turned thirty one,

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<v Speaker 1>and she marked the occasion by not only launching a

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<v Speaker 1>new business, but changing up her which is always a

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<v Speaker 1>telltale sign of a breakup. I think she went red

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<v Speaker 1>when she broke up with Matt Paul from memory, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>did she well? This time she has swapped her platinum

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<v Speaker 1>blonde bob for long hair extensions, and I have to

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<v Speaker 1>say she looked like the og Tammy. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>she was trying to show Matt what he was missing

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<v Speaker 1>out on, potentially because I think the long hair suits

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<v Speaker 1>her really well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was so telling because after getting her

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<v Speaker 1>hair done, she arrived at her office and she shared

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<v Speaker 1>an Instagram story of this massive bunch of flowers and

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<v Speaker 1>I could tell they weren't from Matt because they weren't.

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<v Speaker 2>The woolies chuck out once.

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<v Speaker 1>They were actually a really nice bunch, and she wrote

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<v Speaker 1>grateful for the girlies in my life making me feel

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<v Speaker 1>so special today. Thank you for all your birthday love.

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<v Speaker 1>This seemed like a direct dig at Matt. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>she's literally pointing out to her followers the girlies are

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<v Speaker 1>getting around me. My husband is clearly mia from these

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<v Speaker 1>birthday celebrations. She also shared a birthday photo dump and

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<v Speaker 1>wrote blessed with another year and again Matt did not

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<v Speaker 1>appear in any of the photos and he didn't like

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<v Speaker 1>the post. He also didn't upload a birthday post for her,

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<v Speaker 1>which I feel like if you're a social media couple,

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<v Speaker 1>like a big social media couple in the public eye,

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<v Speaker 1>this is important to do because last year he shared

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<v Speaker 1>a series of photos of them together and wrote happy

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<v Speaker 1>thirtieth birthday, My beautiful fiance. Can't wait for the next

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<v Speaker 1>thirty and thirty more years with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's not hard to put up an Instagram story,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly if just say this is all innocent and he

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<v Speaker 1>is back in Melbourne for work. Wouldn't you make it

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger deal to confess your love for your wife

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<v Speaker 1>on social media, particularly when there are so many rumors swirling.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you wouldn't go away on your wife's birthday either,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're just newly married. I mean, there would have

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<v Speaker 1>to be some big reason. Now, as for this new business,

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<v Speaker 1>Tammy launched a new supplements company with her sisters Amy

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<v Speaker 1>and Emily on her birthday called Selfish SUPs. And this

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<v Speaker 1>line has launched straight into five hundred and twenty chemist

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<v Speaker 1>warehouse stores across the country. And I noticed that Matt

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<v Speaker 1>was originally following the supplement's brand, but now he has

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<v Speaker 1>done the dirty unfollow and he doesn't follow it, and

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<v Speaker 1>they don't follow him. Jesus not looking good at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And fans were even more convinced that this relationship is

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<v Speaker 1>on the rocks when Matt popped up at his co

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<v Speaker 1>host Anna at McAvoy's birthday dinner. So Anna turned thirty

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<v Speaker 1>three on the twenty first of April, a day before

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<v Speaker 1>Tammy's birthday. On the twenty second, unfortunate timing, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>and Anna uploaded a photo dump of her birthday dinner

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<v Speaker 1>showing that Matt was amongst the close friends in attendance. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the dinner was celebrated at the Conservatory Crown in Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 1>Matt's hometown, so it all but confirms that he spent

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<v Speaker 1>the Easter weekend in Melbourne and not on the Gold

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<v Speaker 1>Coast with his wife and step kids. Now followers work

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<v Speaker 1>quick to respond in Anna's comments section, One wrote, so

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<v Speaker 1>did Matt make it to Tammy's b day as well,

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<v Speaker 1>to which someone replied, guessing not with a laughing face.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's very awkward for Anna McAvoy, but maybe

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<v Speaker 1>don't post the photo that Matt's in now. There is

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a twist in this story because it

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<v Speaker 1>appears as though Tammy and Matt have patched things up,

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<v Speaker 1>because Tammy went on a recent trip to Melbourne with

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<v Speaker 1>her sisters to promote their new supplements company, and she

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<v Speaker 1>was spotted at an NFL draft party with Matt. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Matt is a huge NFL fan, and we've actually had

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<v Speaker 1>a number of attendees from the event DMUs photos of

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<v Speaker 1>the couple together. Now, One anonymous party goer said they're

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<v Speaker 1>very much still together, whilst another said that Tammy looked

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<v Speaker 1>pissed off during the event and not overly pleased with Matt.

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<v Speaker 1>It does appear as though Tammy potentially met Matt at

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<v Speaker 1>the event, and prior to her being there, Matt was

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<v Speaker 1>apparently avoiding speaking to any women. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that is a wise idea from him. We do remember

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<v Speaker 1>that time back last year when he was on that

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<v Speaker 1>brand trip with that jet company, the private jet Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was spotted speaking to some influences. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he was playing darts and he was put in a

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<v Speaker 1>team with some women, and people snapped some photos and

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<v Speaker 1>said it looked like he was flirting with them. It

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<v Speaker 1>sounded pretty innocent. But Matt also has recently popped up

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<v Speaker 1>in and get Ready with Me video that Tammy shared

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<v Speaker 1>on her TikTok a couple of days ago, and it

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<v Speaker 1>showed him for a split second kissing her cheek. So

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<v Speaker 1>again he has popped up in her content, and Matt

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<v Speaker 1>has also since hit out about his social media hiatus,

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<v Speaker 1>saying this, Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys, so I took a little pause or break, whatever

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<v Speaker 3>you want to call it from social media. I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>been on in a while because I just got over

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<v Speaker 3>just the I know it's not everyone, so I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>blaming everyone, but there's a lot of people out there

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<v Speaker 3>that comment negative stuff and they want to see people

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<v Speaker 3>do like they want to see people fail, and they

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<v Speaker 3>want to see things fail. So I was just over

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<v Speaker 3>being like seeing that sort of stuff. It's fucking depressing.

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<v Speaker 3>So I took a break. I'm back now I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to post regularly as normal. So I'm happy you guys

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<v Speaker 3>should be.

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<v Speaker 1>If this isn't gas lighting at its finest, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what is. I totally under stand that it would

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<v Speaker 1>be tough to be in the public eye and have

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<v Speaker 1>your relationship scrutinized in the way that they have. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting a bit sick of them airing their dirty

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<v Speaker 1>laundry across social media, in sense of them constantly unfollowing

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<v Speaker 1>and then following, and then being surprised that people want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about it, or that people are intrigued and

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<v Speaker 1>interested at what's going on, particularly when Matt has a

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<v Speaker 1>relationship podcast, like you know That's your bread and Butter.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he barely talks about his relationship with Tammy.

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<v Speaker 1>He just kind of uses it as a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a clickbait in the titles. Now, do we actually

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<v Speaker 1>believe that he took a social media hiatus due to

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<v Speaker 1>the negativity or do we think that he took a

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<v Speaker 1>social media hiatus because the couple has been arguing. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely think where they's smoke, there's fire, and there

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<v Speaker 1>clearly has been some falling out between the pair and

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<v Speaker 1>they're back together again. I just think they need to

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<v Speaker 1>both grow up and stop having it play out on

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<v Speaker 1>social media. I find it funny because once they're back together,

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<v Speaker 1>it's us against the world, but then during their arguments,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, get the fuck away from me, don't even.

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<v Speaker 2>Follow my page.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna block you from absolutely everything.

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<v Speaker 4>I am literally on the toilet, but I have something

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<v Speaker 4>to say, so I'm just going to say it. You

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<v Speaker 4>are not gonna hear me speak about Anna Paul Addas

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<v Speaker 4>Paul ever again.

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<v Speaker 2>After this video.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the last time I'm speaking about these people.

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<v Speaker 1>Mikayla Tester has announced she's done speaking about the Paul family.

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<v Speaker 1>The revelation came a day after she released a shocking

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<v Speaker 1>voice note Anna Paul sent her. My jaw is still

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor after hearing this voice note. It was

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<v Speaker 1>another receipt from the Millionaires and Billionaires group chat that

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<v Speaker 1>Mikhayla Tester, Anna Paul and Adams Paul were a part of.

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<v Speaker 2>I still can't get over the name of that group chat.

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<v Speaker 2>That says it all, doesn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>It does Now. According to Michayla, Anna allegedly instructed the

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<v Speaker 1>group to troll Addis's ex girlfriend, Alice Patterson after she

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<v Speaker 1>pressed charges against him, which resulted in Adams Paul pleading

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<v Speaker 1>guilty to statutory rape. Let's take a listen, don't save

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<v Speaker 1>this voice message, but we should make fake accounts of

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<v Speaker 1>this is all that.

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<v Speaker 5>We should make fake TikTok accounts and just comment on

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<v Speaker 5>her appearance on her tiktoks, the mean shit, all the

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<v Speaker 5>things that she would be insecure about.

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<v Speaker 2>We should just go into.

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<v Speaker 5>Detail and comment that hate so she knows that she

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<v Speaker 5>is really that ugly, like those the type of comments

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<v Speaker 5>that make you stay awake at night, those types of

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<v Speaker 5>comments where you're like, my arm's.

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<v Speaker 2>Really fat, it's my nose really that ugly?

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<v Speaker 5>Like we should really go in really specific.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean pretty wild that someone who has based their

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<v Speaker 1>personal brand on kindness is saying this stuff behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty shocking, particularly going to the extent of saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let's make up all of these troll accounts to literally

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<v Speaker 1>pray off any insecurity that this young girl had. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>she was only seventeen at the time. She was underage

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and these are adults doing this to a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>It's utterly shocking, because I mean, this is the worst

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<v Speaker 1>of the worst. I wonder if Mikayla just stumbled across

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<v Speaker 1>this voice note and didn't realize she had it until now,

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<v Speaker 1>because it is a real trump card that I thought

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps she would have liked to use on her podcast. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised we didn't hear it on the podcast first

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<v Speaker 1>and off the back of sharing the voice note on

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<v Speaker 1>her story, Mikayla threatened Anna that it was just the

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<v Speaker 1>tip of the iceberg. When it came to the receipt

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<v Speaker 1>she still had on her she wrote, I've got miles more,

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<v Speaker 1>so stop lying because I'll post them all. You probably

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<v Speaker 1>thought I'd ran out by now, huh. Now. In an

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<v Speaker 1>unexpected turn of events, Ruka Salt announced on Friday night

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<v Speaker 1>that she would no longer be posting about the Paul

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<v Speaker 1>family because it was having a detrimental effect on her health. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>She has been a very strong ally to Mikayla. She

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<v Speaker 1>was the one who alleged first that Anna Paul's dad,

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<v Speaker 1>Hans was homeless. Yeah, She's been very vocal about the

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<v Speaker 1>polls and in her personal life. She is currently trying

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<v Speaker 1>to feel pregnant and says that the stress of the

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<v Speaker 1>situation has caused her to lose her period. She finished

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<v Speaker 1>up by writing, I'll be supporting all the girls from

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<v Speaker 1>the sidelines from now on now. On Saturday, Mikayla surprisingly

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<v Speaker 1>followed suit, announcing on her Instagram story that she's also

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<v Speaker 1>no longer going to be speaking about the Paul family.

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<v Speaker 1>She said that there won't be a fourth episode of

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<v Speaker 1>her podcast because she's proven herself enough. Instead, she said

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<v Speaker 1>she'll be taking legal action and getting justice.

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<v Speaker 2>Via the court.

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<v Speaker 1>She also importantly added that Anna Paul is not suing

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<v Speaker 1>her for defamation because she knows that she can't. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was quite cheeky because she pointed out that she'll

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<v Speaker 1>be resuming daily vlogging on her TikTok, just like she

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<v Speaker 1>did back in twenty twenty two, and she added, and

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<v Speaker 1>what I said in those voice notes, I deserve those

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<v Speaker 1>seven million followers, or should I correct myself six point

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<v Speaker 1>one million now. She also urged her followers to go

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<v Speaker 1>follow Alice Patterson on Instagram and TikTok because she is

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<v Speaker 1>another victim that is continuing to.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell her story now.

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<v Speaker 1>She did back up her written statement with a TikTok

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<v Speaker 1>funnily enough, which she filmed on the toilet. I cracked

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<v Speaker 1>up when she said that. And also I could just

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<v Speaker 1>see the flush button behind her during a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the video. It was a very fancy flush, you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>It was pretty flattering lighting as well. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>that had something to do with it. She was taking

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<v Speaker 1>the video from sky. Wheatley always used to post from

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<v Speaker 1>the toilet on her story. Well, sometimes they say if

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking to a camera, do it in the spot

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<v Speaker 1>where you feel most comfortable. Clearly, the toilet is a

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<v Speaker 1>spotwherel a lot of people feel comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Mikayla said that the show was over, and she

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<v Speaker 1>reiterated a lot of what she said in her Instagram story.

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<v Speaker 1>She said that the whole ordeal had left her boarding

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<v Speaker 1>and also hiding indoors. It also seemed like it was

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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity for Mikayla to get on the front foot

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of that voice note with Anna Paul, because

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<v Speaker 1>everyone was starting to ask, well, what did you say

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<v Speaker 1>back to her? So Mikayla shared Anna's voice note for

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok because last time she only put it on a story.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she added her response in Let's listen to

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<v Speaker 1>what Mikayla and Addis replied back in twenty twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>to Anna, I don't.

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<v Speaker 6>Know if I told you, don't say this postmasage too,

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<v Speaker 6>but I made a fake account.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I told Atis I made a fake.

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<v Speaker 6>Account like the other day, because she did a video

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<v Speaker 6>where she did wing diyeliner. And I know she's like

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<v Speaker 6>really insecure about people telling her that she's copying me,

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<v Speaker 6>because every time she does something that I do, everyone

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<v Speaker 6>already pounces on her and tells her that. But I

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<v Speaker 6>made a fake out. I commented it, and then I

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<v Speaker 6>went back and looked an hour later, and her whole

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<v Speaker 6>video was deleted too.

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<v Speaker 5>Pretty much just like make accounts all day on a

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<v Speaker 5>bank roll, like I've got them on payroll.

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<v Speaker 6>Just make accounts and common shit all day on every

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<v Speaker 6>piece of her social media.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this what these people spend their whole time doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you see their daily vlogs. Maybe they need

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<v Speaker 1>to be a bit more honest. I spent the next

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<v Speaker 1>two hours just creating a ton of control.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, this was never in the Daily Blog.

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<v Speaker 1>Michaela went on to say that she was a demon,

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<v Speaker 1>but Anna Paul was the devil, and she said her

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<v Speaker 1>behavior was the result of spending too much time with Anna.

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<v Speaker 1>She also said the difference was that the polls had

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<v Speaker 1>painted Alice out to be this crazy ex girlfriend and

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't personally know Alice, whereas Anna actually did know her.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a good point because I feel like the

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<v Speaker 1>wall was being pulled over Michayla's eyes. So let's be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>most of us hate our partner's ex girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we'll also have to remember these people's ages.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's clearly something that none of us would

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<v Speaker 1>ever ever do.

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<v Speaker 2>These people are in their early twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not making excuses for what they're doing, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is very juvenile behavior.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And Mikayla's been really upfront and taken accountability for what

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<v Speaker 1>she's done. She's always said, look, I haven't been a

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<v Speaker 1>good person in this. I should have spoken out, I

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't have participated alongside the polls, And she did say

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<v Speaker 1>that again in her TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of speculation that perhaps Michayla and Veruka had finally been

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<v Speaker 1>gagged by Anna Paul's legal team, but Michayla finished by

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<v Speaker 1>saying this.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything I said is the truth. There is no legal

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<v Speaker 4>action from Anna. There won't be because she knows everything

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<v Speaker 4>I say.

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<v Speaker 7>Is the truth.

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<v Speaker 4>And Anna have a lot worse receipts than that voice message.

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<v Speaker 4>I could have used that in episode one of my podcast,

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<v Speaker 4>but I didn't. I've got some golden receipts and she

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<v Speaker 4>knows I'll pull those out in court and all of

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<v Speaker 4>her little money that she would have spent towards suing

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<v Speaker 4>me for defamation would have gone down the dream.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why she never bothered.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm reading into this is perhaps they've agreed to

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a truth.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Back and forth happening at the moment, this airing of

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<v Speaker 1>dirty laundry, these voice notes. Maybe Anna has gone to

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<v Speaker 1>Michayla and said, look, if you say anything else about me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to release X, Y and Z. Like maybe

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<v Speaker 1>there's a been a black about going on, and Mikayla's

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<v Speaker 1>been like, okay, I've had my say, let me release

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<v Speaker 1>this last one and that's where I'll finish things.

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<v Speaker 2>See.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually think that Mikayla has taken a step back

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<v Speaker 1>and realize that the more she talks about the situation,

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<v Speaker 1>the more it's diluting the serious message, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>becoming this petty slinging match and we're forgetting the real issue,

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<v Speaker 1>which is Adis Paul's behavior. And I actually think it's

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<v Speaker 1>really good that she's decided to take this offline now

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<v Speaker 1>and actually follow it up legally. And when you think

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<v Speaker 1>about the way a lot of these news stories break

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone's attention, this story has been going on for

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<v Speaker 1>over a month now, it was two months actually, well

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<v Speaker 1>two months, and I think that they've realized that it's

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<v Speaker 1>as terrible as it is to say, the people's interest

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<v Speaker 1>in it is drying up. Everyone was there for the

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<v Speaker 1>dirty details. I think that they've also realized they've done

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<v Speaker 1>enough damage to Addis and Anna's reputation. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>only have to look at Anna Paul's Coachella videos to

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<v Speaker 1>see her comment section is flooded with people telling.

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<v Speaker 2>Me how to get off. We don't want to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that they've realized that they've done all that

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<v Speaker 1>they can and now it's time for them to move

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<v Speaker 1>on happily with their own lives. I mean, Mikayla, she's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously trying to build a successful vlogging career on TikTok,

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<v Speaker 1>and her popularity is that it's peak at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>So she doesn't want to be a one trick pony

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<v Speaker 1>and only showed that she can condemn this family. She

0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:20.960
<v Speaker 1>wants to show a different side of herself. Well, she

0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.760
<v Speaker 1>almost has to follow in Anna Poule's footsteps now and

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<v Speaker 1>just ignore the whole situation and move on and be positive,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think she's trying to do by sharing her

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<v Speaker 1>daily vlogs. I think she realizes that people are getting

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit tired of hearing the same thing about

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<v Speaker 1>Anna Poul over and over again.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, I'm quite enjoying. I've been enjoying it.

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<v Speaker 1>For two months, but it gets difficult to keep following.

0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:43.760
<v Speaker 1>You're like, hang on, I've missed that bit, and then

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<v Speaker 1>this person's talking about it, and this person's talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if Anna Poul will just take it longing

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<v Speaker 1>down though, or you know, because the voice note has

0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:52.600
<v Speaker 1>done her a lot of doubt, she's going to continue

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<v Speaker 1>to ignore. I mean, she's still posting that nothing's happened

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<v Speaker 1>on snapchat. I think that they're all going to get

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<v Speaker 1>back to ignoring, and you know, the damages that Anna

0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Poul has lost a million followers. She should have lost more.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if anyone listening to this podcast is still

0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.879
<v Speaker 1>following her, give her he unfollowed. Also, it's done so

0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:09.920
<v Speaker 1>much reputational damage. I know she's not an influencer who

0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:13.280
<v Speaker 1>works with a ton of different brands, but no brand

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<v Speaker 1>is going to want to touch her with a ten

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<v Speaker 1>foot pole. It's also done huge damage to her skincare brand.

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<v Speaker 1>Pol You say that, but she was still invited to

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<v Speaker 1>the Grand Prix. There's still eyeballs on her. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it will take a while for her to sign a

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<v Speaker 1>big brand deal again. But I mean, if you had

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<v Speaker 1>a brand, would you want to work with her?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't think that she's canceled. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>in this day and age that influencers can be canceled anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually think that this has made her more famous

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<v Speaker 1>infamous as it be, and I think she'll be back.

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<v Speaker 1>I think now that she's been pushed down at tall

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<v Speaker 1>pubby syndrome, she's been cut down.

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<v Speaker 2>She will return.

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<v Speaker 1>She'll return without Adas by her side, which you will

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<v Speaker 1>be very difficult for her because it's quite apparent how

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<v Speaker 1>close they are.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey, everyone. I just wanted to take a moment to

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<v Speaker 7>speak openly and honestly about video I posted that's been

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<v Speaker 7>taken out of context and caused a lot of confusion

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<v Speaker 7>and her.

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<v Speaker 1>A three second clip of Amy Connor doing a salute

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<v Speaker 1>before heading off to work has resulted in the TikToker

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<v Speaker 1>receiving death threats, being stood down from work and a

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<v Speaker 1>police investigation. Kate, before we get into it. For our

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<v Speaker 1>listeners who aren't familiar.

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<v Speaker 2>With her, who is Amy Connor Well.

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<v Speaker 1>She's actually better known as Ames online and she's a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty nine year old registered nurse and mum from the

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<v Speaker 1>south coast of New South Wales. We actually interviewed her

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<v Speaker 1>on our Christmas special last year and Aims started out

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<v Speaker 1>creating content on TikTok as a way to stay sane

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<v Speaker 1>during the pandemic and also as a way to be

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<v Speaker 1>creative while she was on maternity leave, and she very

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<v Speaker 1>quickly cultivated an engaged audience by sharing fly on the

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<v Speaker 1>Wall style content of life at home with four children.

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<v Speaker 1>She now has one point two million followers on TikTok

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<v Speaker 1>and at one hundred and forty three thousand on Instagram. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>despite taking off as an influencer. Aimes still works casual

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<v Speaker 1>ship as a nurse, and she is far from being

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<v Speaker 1>a problematic influencer. Her content is very positive, wholesome and fun.

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<v Speaker 1>She's probably best known for creatively repurposing leftover food from

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<v Speaker 1>her kid's meals. So I was absolutely shocked and confused

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<v Speaker 1>when these accusations came out. And she's just an all

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<v Speaker 1>round legend. I have to say she's a lovely person.

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<v Speaker 1>When Amy and I interviewed her for Christmas, she was

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<v Speaker 1>so generous with her time. She's so smart. I love

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that she still has a career whilst working

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<v Speaker 1>as an influencer and also as a mom. And I

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<v Speaker 1>never thought we would be discussing some scandal involving Aims

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<v Speaker 1>on our podcast. I mean, I think she's even joked

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<v Speaker 1>about it on her TikTok before, when she said she

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<v Speaker 1>listened to Outspoken because she just loves hearing all.

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<v Speaker 2>The drama that she's not involved in.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into what actually happened, because I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>there is a lot of miscommunication and crosswise. So two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, Aime shared a video to TikTok documenting her

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<v Speaker 1>morning routine as a casual pulner and in a now

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<v Speaker 1>deleted clip from that video, Ames did a military style

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<v Speaker 1>salute with her left hand in the mirror before heading

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<v Speaker 1>off to work. Now off the back of that video,

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<v Speaker 1>Ames was accused by some followers of performing a Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>style salute, and the gesture is associated with Adolph Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>and is performed by extending the right arm from the

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<v Speaker 1>shoulder into the air. Yeah, and screenshots of Ames with

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<v Speaker 1>her arm in the air started circulating on TikTok and

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<v Speaker 1>other forums. Next came doctored versions of the video where

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<v Speaker 1>the salute was reversed to make it look like a

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<v Speaker 1>Nazi salute, and Ames ended up editing the salute out

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<v Speaker 1>of the original TikTok she uploaded, but the damage was

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<v Speaker 1>already done.

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<v Speaker 2>In an interview with.

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<v Speaker 1>News dot com do Au, Ames explained that she edits

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<v Speaker 1>her own TikTok footage and she didn't think anything of

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<v Speaker 1>the salute when she uploaded the video, so she was

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<v Speaker 1>left absolutely shocked when people started making accusations. The sad

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<v Speaker 1>thing is that Ames was simply salute fellow healthcare workers,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said in this interview that it was taken

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<v Speaker 1>out of context. People were reversing it and playing it backwards,

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<v Speaker 1>so it looked like the opposite of how I did it.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, I see the image and I'm scared of it.

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<v Speaker 1>The screenshot terrifies me. I'm having nightmares because this is

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<v Speaker 1>not me and that is not what I was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>When I see it in my head, I start shaking.

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<v Speaker 1>And she went on to say that she can understand

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<v Speaker 1>why people have gotten the wrong impression by the altered

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<v Speaker 1>images online or the out of context screenshots. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a very serious accusation to make against someone, particularly because

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<v Speaker 1>in January last year, it became illegal in Australia to

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<v Speaker 1>perform a Nazi salute in public. Now. The law was

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<v Speaker 1>introduced off the back of the rise in anti semitism

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<v Speaker 1>in Australia, and the accusation has been taken very seriously

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<v Speaker 1>because Ames ended up being stood down from New South

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<v Speaker 1>Wales Health while the matter was being investigated. After her

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<v Speaker 1>work was contacted, the police were then contacted to investigate. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Ames, the salute has been cleared by the

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<v Speaker 1>police and the nursing board and the only reason she's

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<v Speaker 1>unable to return to work is because she violated social

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<v Speaker 1>media policies by filming herself and coworkers at work. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>so they've said you're all clear of this accusation, but

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<v Speaker 1>hold on, we've noticed that you shouldn't actually be posting.

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<v Speaker 2>About your job full stop now.

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<v Speaker 1>New South Wales Police have also confirmed that they commenced

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<v Speaker 1>an investigation after reports of an offensive video posted on

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<v Speaker 1>social media. Following inquiries, no further police action is expected.

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<v Speaker 1>My heart's been feeling really heavy for Ames over this

0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:32.320
<v Speaker 1>whole ordeal because I think it has been completely taken

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<v Speaker 1>out of context and it really shows how a screenshot

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<v Speaker 1>can be manipulated and made to look a hell of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot worse than it actually is. Now. On Easter Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>Ames posted an apology on social media. It was really

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to watch because she was visibly distressed and shaking

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<v Speaker 1>in it. She denied the gesture was a Nazi salute.

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<v Speaker 1>She also took a note out of Mikayla Tester's book

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<v Speaker 1>and read from notes on her phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's some of what she said.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey everyone, I just wanted to take a moment to

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<v Speaker 7>speak openly and honestly about a video I posted that's

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<v Speaker 7>been taken out of context and caused a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>confusion and her I've decided to use notes to make

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<v Speaker 7>sure I don't miss anything and offend anyone Further, in

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<v Speaker 7>that clip I made that was intended to be a

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<v Speaker 7>soldier's salute, but a screenshot of that moment has been

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<v Speaker 7>circulated and accused of being a Nazi salute. I want

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<v Speaker 7>to be absolutely clear that was never my intention, and

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<v Speaker 7>I do not in any way support or condone hate

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<v Speaker 7>or extremism of any kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Ames went on to apologize to military members for

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<v Speaker 1>any offense she caused. She said that she realized it

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<v Speaker 1>was not her place to use the gesture, even in

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<v Speaker 1>a lighthearted way, and in Ames's apology video, she also

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed that the incident had been reported to the police

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<v Speaker 1>and she's been cleared of any wrongdoing. What shot me

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<v Speaker 1>the most was hearing Ames talk about the impact that

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<v Speaker 1>the incident had had on her personally. She reveals she's

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<v Speaker 1>been receiving very concerning messages and even death threats against

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<v Speaker 1>her and her family, and she later confirmed that there

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<v Speaker 1>is now an open police investigation going on because she

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<v Speaker 1>fears for her own personal safety. Well for Ames, because

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<v Speaker 1>she does live her life so publicly online and people

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<v Speaker 1>could easily piece together where she lives. This threat would

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<v Speaker 1>feel very real for her exactly, you'd feel so vulnerable

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<v Speaker 1>with four young kids. Now, it's important to know that

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<v Speaker 1>Ames made a deliberate decision not to apologize to the

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish community. In an interview with news dot com do Au,

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<v Speaker 1>she explained that she didn't want to apologize over something

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<v Speaker 1>that she didn't do. She said, I didn't want it

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<v Speaker 1>to sound like I was admitting to guilt. I started

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<v Speaker 1>at my forehead, which is how a traditional soldier salute starts.

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<v Speaker 1>I was apologizing for that, but I wasn't doing a

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<v Speaker 1>Nazi salute. It'd be so easy to take out of

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<v Speaker 1>context again and the people would say, why are you

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<v Speaker 1>apologizing to them if you didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this was a very clever move by Ames.

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<v Speaker 1>From a PR perspective, you should never admit guilt or

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<v Speaker 1>apologize for something that you didn't actually do. If she'd

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<v Speaker 1>release this official statement saying I apologize to the Jewel

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<v Speaker 1>Wish community for the offensive salute that I did, it

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<v Speaker 1>then just gives the media free reign to run with

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<v Speaker 1>the story saying an Aussie influencer has apologized.

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<v Speaker 2>For doing a Nazi salute.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, but since then a leading member of the

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<v Speaker 1>Australian Jewish community has come out and condemned Ames's video.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Diva Abramovich, who is the chairman of the Anti

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<v Speaker 1>Defamation Commission and a leading force behind the national push

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<v Speaker 1>to ban public displays of the Nazi salute and swatsticker,

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<v Speaker 1>wrote in an opinion piece for The Nightly online publication.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, for Holocaust survivors, that outreached arm is not

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<v Speaker 1>a symbol of fitness or fun. It is the gesture

0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 1>that marched six million Jews and millions of others to

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<v Speaker 1>their death. A gesture that once accompanied cries of Hail Hitler,

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<v Speaker 1>is now edited into a day in the Life montage

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<v Speaker 1>and seen by millions of followers. That is not just

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<v Speaker 1>poor judgment, It is a symptom of dangerous ignorance. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the outcome when history is not taught, when Holocaust's

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<v Speaker 1>education is sidelined, and when genocide is flattened into a trend.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>He went on to say that the intent behind the

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<v Speaker 1>video was irrelevant because intent does not eraise impact, whether

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 1>accidental or deliberate, Performing a Nazi salute in any context

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 1>is an act that reopens wounds and desecrates memories. He

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<v Speaker 1>also went on to say it's not about cancel culture

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:19.840
<v Speaker 1>or punishing someone forever. It's a matter of collective responsibility.

0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:23.680
<v Speaker 1>He wrote, because when influencers can post genocidal symbols without

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<v Speaker 1>grasping their weight, we have failed, not just as a

0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:29.719
<v Speaker 1>Jewish community, but as a nation. It is a deeply

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<v Speaker 1>distressing time for the Jewish community as a whole at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment. And I completely respect what doctor Abramovich had

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<v Speaker 1>to say on the matter.

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<v Speaker 2>As someone who.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't Jewish, I really can't begin to imagine how upsetting

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>the whole incident has been and how triggering it would

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<v Speaker 1>be in saying that, I believe the upset has been

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<v Speaker 1>unfairly caused by a lot of trolls who seem to

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:54.360
<v Speaker 1>have manufactured this drama in an attempt to bring aims down.

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<v Speaker 1>I do feel like her gesture has been taken out

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<v Speaker 1>of context and also blown into something it was never

0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 1>into to be, And I think we need to be

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:05.720
<v Speaker 1>very wary because manipulating footage and taking screenshots out of

0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 1>context to try and push a narrative against an influencer

0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 1>is incredibly dangerous, particularly when it's this serious. It's a

0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 1>criminal offense and labeling someone as a Nazi is life changing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's completely unfair and disrespectful to the Jewish community as

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:24.479
<v Speaker 1>well to use them as a means to start a

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<v Speaker 1>witch hunt against an influencer. They're going through enough as

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<v Speaker 1>it is. I just feel like there's so many people

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<v Speaker 1>who are that desperate to bring down particular influencers that

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 1>they don't like, that they're willing to stop at nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's really unfortunate that Ames edited the salute out

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<v Speaker 1>of the vlog because I've seen it and it has

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 1>been completely taken out of context, and the screen shots,

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:49.760
<v Speaker 1>as you said, have been manipulated. They've made to look

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 1>completely different, and unfortunately people are now going off the

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 1>screenshots which are misleading, and the fact that this woman

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<v Speaker 1>and her young family are receiving death threats is a

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<v Speaker 1>polling yeah, as Ames said in an interview that people

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 1>accusing her of a crime don't understand the magnitude of

0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 1>their actions now. Ames said that she would be taking

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 1>time offline over the Easter long weekend. She did return

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 1>last week to thank everyone for their love and support.

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 1>She also revealed that she has called Lifeline for support

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 1>over the weekend, and she said it's not the first

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 1>time she's actually used Lifeline services before. She actually called

0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 1>them when she was going through a difficult time when

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<v Speaker 1>she was twenty five.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>She did return to social media on Sunday, sharing a

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<v Speaker 1>week bit slice recipe and seems to be back to

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 1>her usual positive and fun content. The thing is when

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 1>you actually look at Ames's comment section and the reality

0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 1>is that the people who know her and follow her

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<v Speaker 1>for her positive content, they haven't brought into any of this.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a dangerous thing about TikTok. The people can

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<v Speaker 1>stumble across content who don't know the creator and take

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<v Speaker 1>it out of context. Yeah, I'm glad that Ames has

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<v Speaker 1>the backing of her community, but there are still news

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<v Speaker 1>articles now with her name and Nazi.

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<v Speaker 2>Attached to it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't get rid of those that The damage has

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<v Speaker 1>been done, and it makes me really annoyed that people

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<v Speaker 1>have to go out of their way to try and

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<v Speaker 1>destroy other people's reputation just because they might not like

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<v Speaker 1>them online. Like, Okay, I'm all for holding influences to

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<v Speaker 1>account when they do the wrong thing, but to take

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<v Speaker 1>something out of context and make it into something that

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<v Speaker 1>it's not to punish someone what because they repurpose their kids' leftovers.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to look at ourselves as a society and

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<v Speaker 1>be like this has just gone too far. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>someone saw this and thought, oh, this is an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to take advantage and take this out of context.

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<v Speaker 2>We need, generally what it feels like.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to look at people's intentions and their character.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, when Elia Musk got up and did that

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<v Speaker 1>hand gesture, you could see why people jump to conclusions. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>excauted his character, but in this instance, this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a nurse, a mother of four, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone who shares positive content and uplifting content. Well, that

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<v Speaker 1>is where we're going to leave things today. Thank you

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