1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: Kate Torba and coming up on today's show, Mikayla Testa 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: says she's done talking about the Paul family and how 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: Amy Connor's morning routine ended up with a police investigation. 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: But first, rumors are swelling about the state of Tammy 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: Hembro's five month marriage after her husband Matt Sakowski, was 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: absent from not only her Easter celebrations but her birthday. 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: So speculation has been building since Tammy unfollowed her husband 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: last month and removed the title missus Zakowski from her 11 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: Instagram bio. I feel like it's this unfollow that has 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: put a lot of us on ringwatch. Every time Tammy 13 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: appears on her Instagram story and she's not wearing her 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: massive diamonds our inbox is literally flooded with messages of 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: people being like, oh my god, this confirms that they're 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: not together and truth be told. In the past couple 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: of weeks, she has appeared quite a number of times 18 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: without her rings on, in saying that she has been 19 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: wearing them as well. That's why It's so confusing because 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: sometimes you're like, oh my god, she hasn't worn her 21 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: ring for ages, and then suddenly this massive diamond will 22 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: be in her next story. 23 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: Well. 24 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: Also, she's always working out as part of her brand. 25 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: She's always in gym gear, and it would be very 26 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: difficult working out with those rocks on your hand. I 27 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: mean I hardly ever wear my wedding rings when I'm 28 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: home looking after my son because it's just too big. 29 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: K Is that what you're trying. 30 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: Look, they're not as big as ta me having bros. 31 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: But I'm saying I get really uncomfortable with jewely on 32 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: and if you're always washing your hands and you're looking 33 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: after a baby. So I'm glad no one's watching the 34 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: status of my rings. 35 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: I always have mine on. 36 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: I feel naked during the day if I don't, because 37 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: I feel like I've lost it. I know some people 38 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: sleep in their engagement and wedding bets. 39 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 2: I draw the line at that. 40 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: Oh I can't. I can't even sleep with like ear 41 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: rings and I have to have everything taken out. But 42 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: the thing is, if my marriage was under speculation and 43 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: people were like, hang on a day together, I'd definitely 44 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,639 Speaker 1: be wearing them in my Instagram stories. I have noticed 45 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: in a couple of their recent tiktoks where she was 46 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: miming to break up songs where she was I don't know, 47 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: trying to allude that something was going on. She did 48 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: have her sleeves covering her hands. Yeah, I mean it's 49 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: very odd behavior. I can see why people are so 50 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: interested to know what's going on. 51 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and suspicion was. 52 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: Really raised further over the Easter Long weekend when he 53 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: was visibly absent from her celebrations and Tammy had what 54 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: looked like a really wholesome Easter morning. I always love 55 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: how she interacts with her kids. They're always dancing around. 56 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: They were in matching pj's. I love how you say 57 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: how she interacts with her kids, because I always feel 58 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: a bit weird when you know that the influencer has 59 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: propped up their phone to film something, and you can't 60 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: help but feel like it's a little bit performative. Yeah, 61 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: but the kids always look comfortable, so I get the 62 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: vibe that the dancing also happens when the camera is off. 63 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: I just think it's quite cute and a lot of 64 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: the content that we've been seeing of late with her 65 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: and her kids is content that she used to share 66 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: when she was single and sparking a lot of those 67 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: memories for me. So yeah, she did show a very 68 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: wholesome morning. Her kids were eating Easter bunnies for breakfast 69 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: and also hot Cross buns, and the video showed Tammy 70 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: being every part of the doting mum, And it didn't 71 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: take long for followers to start questioning, well, where is 72 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: her husband, Matt Sakowski in all of this? So one 73 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: follower wrote, I just don't get why Matt is never 74 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: in the picks. It's weird and definitely shows something is 75 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: going on with them. She seems doomed for any relationship, 76 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: which is a bit harsh that comment. Another said, and 77 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: the husband, what pjs did he wear? Whilst another said 78 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: that photo of the pool is just stunning? But okay, 79 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: why is Tammy a married, single mum? It does feel 80 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 1: like Tammy is trying to make a point by sharing 81 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: this Easter content because it's very obvious that he's not 82 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: there and she knows people are going to comment, and 83 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: it's not like she cleared it up in the comments 84 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: and said, oh, Matt was away with his family at Easter. 85 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: There was nothing or shared that she was facetiming him 86 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: or anything like that, and it does paint him as 87 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: being the baddie because she's essentially saying, well, he's absent 88 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: from these very wholesome family activities. And what makes it 89 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: even more complicated is the fact that Matt has taken 90 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: this social media hiatus, so as his followers, we really 91 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: don't know what he's been up to, what state is in, 92 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: what's going on. Yeah, I think people were expecting to 93 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: see him at the Easter celebrations, particularly because Tammy had 94 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: shared this TikTok five days earlier where she was gushing 95 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: about how amazing their relationship was and it was so 96 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: great for her kids to see this special type of 97 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: love between the two of them. Yeah, So she captioned 98 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: the video a family where my kids see just how 99 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: much he loves their mum. And in the video, Tammy 100 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: and Matt were cuddling whilst Tammy's daughter Posey looked on 101 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: and then eventually joined in on the cuddle. And that 102 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: video attracted over three million views and over half a 103 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: million likes because it was the first time that we'd 104 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: seen Matt in Tammy's content since that unfollow and there 105 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: seemed to be a sense of relief from some of 106 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: Tammy's followers. In the comment section. One follower wrote, so 107 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: glad to see this, so much talk about your relationship 108 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: being on the rocks, whilst another said, oh they've made up. 109 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: How cute. Matt was also nowhere to be seen on 110 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: Tammy's birthday. So on Tuesday A, Tammy turned thirty one, 111 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: and she marked the occasion by not only launching a 112 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: new business, but changing up her which is always a 113 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: telltale sign of a breakup. I think she went red 114 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: when she broke up with Matt Paul from memory, Oh 115 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: did she well? This time she has swapped her platinum 116 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: blonde bob for long hair extensions, and I have to 117 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: say she looked like the og Tammy. I feel like 118 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: she was trying to show Matt what he was missing 119 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: out on, potentially because I think the long hair suits 120 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:22,239 Speaker 1: her really well. 121 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 122 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: I mean it was so telling because after getting her 123 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: hair done, she arrived at her office and she shared 124 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: an Instagram story of this massive bunch of flowers and 125 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: I could tell they weren't from Matt because they weren't. 126 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: The woolies chuck out once. 127 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: They were actually a really nice bunch, and she wrote 128 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: grateful for the girlies in my life making me feel 129 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: so special today. Thank you for all your birthday love. 130 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: This seemed like a direct dig at Matt. Yeah, because 131 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: she's literally pointing out to her followers the girlies are 132 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: getting around me. My husband is clearly mia from these 133 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: birthday celebrations. She also shared a birthday photo dump and 134 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: wrote blessed with another year and again Matt did not 135 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: appear in any of the photos and he didn't like 136 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: the post. He also didn't upload a birthday post for her, 137 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: which I feel like if you're a social media couple, 138 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: like a big social media couple in the public eye, 139 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: this is important to do because last year he shared 140 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: a series of photos of them together and wrote happy 141 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: thirtieth birthday, My beautiful fiance. Can't wait for the next 142 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: thirty and thirty more years with you. 143 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: I love you. 144 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not hard to put up an Instagram story, 145 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: particularly if just say this is all innocent and he 146 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: is back in Melbourne for work. Wouldn't you make it 147 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: a bigger deal to confess your love for your wife 148 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,799 Speaker 1: on social media, particularly when there are so many rumors swirling. 149 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you wouldn't go away on your wife's birthday either, 150 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: if you're just newly married. I mean, there would have 151 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: to be some big reason. Now, as for this new business, 152 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: Tammy launched a new supplements company with her sisters Amy 153 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: and Emily on her birthday called Selfish SUPs. And this 154 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: line has launched straight into five hundred and twenty chemist 155 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: warehouse stores across the country. And I noticed that Matt 156 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: was originally following the supplement's brand, but now he has 157 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: done the dirty unfollow and he doesn't follow it, and 158 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: they don't follow him. Jesus not looking good at all. 159 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: And fans were even more convinced that this relationship is 160 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: on the rocks when Matt popped up at his co 161 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: host Anna at McAvoy's birthday dinner. So Anna turned thirty 162 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: three on the twenty first of April, a day before 163 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: Tammy's birthday. On the twenty second, unfortunate timing, I know, 164 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: and Anna uploaded a photo dump of her birthday dinner 165 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: showing that Matt was amongst the close friends in attendance. Now, 166 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: the dinner was celebrated at the Conservatory Crown in Melbourne, 167 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: Matt's hometown, so it all but confirms that he spent 168 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: the Easter weekend in Melbourne and not on the Gold 169 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: Coast with his wife and step kids. Now followers work 170 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: quick to respond in Anna's comments section, One wrote, so 171 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: did Matt make it to Tammy's b day as well, 172 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: to which someone replied, guessing not with a laughing face. 173 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that's very awkward for Anna McAvoy, but maybe 174 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: don't post the photo that Matt's in now. There is 175 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: a bit of a twist in this story because it 176 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: appears as though Tammy and Matt have patched things up, 177 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: because Tammy went on a recent trip to Melbourne with 178 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: her sisters to promote their new supplements company, and she 179 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: was spotted at an NFL draft party with Matt. Now, 180 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: Matt is a huge NFL fan, and we've actually had 181 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: a number of attendees from the event DMUs photos of 182 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: the couple together. Now, One anonymous party goer said they're 183 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: very much still together, whilst another said that Tammy looked 184 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: pissed off during the event and not overly pleased with Matt. 185 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: It does appear as though Tammy potentially met Matt at 186 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: the event, and prior to her being there, Matt was 187 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 1: apparently avoiding speaking to any women. I mean, I think 188 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: that is a wise idea from him. We do remember 189 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: that time back last year when he was on that 190 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: brand trip with that jet company, the private jet Yeah, 191 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: and he was spotted speaking to some influences. I think 192 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: he was playing darts and he was put in a 193 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: team with some women, and people snapped some photos and 194 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: said it looked like he was flirting with them. It 195 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: sounded pretty innocent. But Matt also has recently popped up 196 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: in and get Ready with Me video that Tammy shared 197 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: on her TikTok a couple of days ago, and it 198 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: showed him for a split second kissing her cheek. So 199 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: again he has popped up in her content, and Matt 200 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: has also since hit out about his social media hiatus, 201 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: saying this, Okay. 202 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 3: Guys, so I took a little pause or break, whatever 203 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 3: you want to call it from social media. I haven't 204 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: been on in a while because I just got over 205 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 3: just the I know it's not everyone, so I'm not 206 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 3: blaming everyone, but there's a lot of people out there 207 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: that comment negative stuff and they want to see people 208 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: do like they want to see people fail, and they 209 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 3: want to see things fail. So I was just over 210 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 3: being like seeing that sort of stuff. It's fucking depressing. 211 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 3: So I took a break. I'm back now I'm going 212 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: to post regularly as normal. So I'm happy you guys 213 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 3: should be. 214 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: If this isn't gas lighting at its finest, I don't 215 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: know what is. I totally under stand that it would 216 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: be tough to be in the public eye and have 217 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: your relationship scrutinized in the way that they have. But 218 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm getting a bit sick of them airing their dirty 219 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: laundry across social media, in sense of them constantly unfollowing 220 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: and then following, and then being surprised that people want 221 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: to talk about it, or that people are intrigued and 222 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: interested at what's going on, particularly when Matt has a 223 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: relationship podcast, like you know That's your bread and Butter. 224 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: I mean, he barely talks about his relationship with Tammy. 225 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: He just kind of uses it as a little bit 226 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: of a clickbait in the titles. Now, do we actually 227 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: believe that he took a social media hiatus due to 228 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: the negativity or do we think that he took a 229 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: social media hiatus because the couple has been arguing. Oh, 230 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: I definitely think where they's smoke, there's fire, and there 231 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: clearly has been some falling out between the pair and 232 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: they're back together again. I just think they need to 233 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: both grow up and stop having it play out on 234 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: social media. I find it funny because once they're back together, 235 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: it's us against the world, but then during their arguments, 236 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: it's like, get the fuck away from me, don't even. 237 00:10:58,760 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: Follow my page. 238 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,599 Speaker 1: I'm gonna block you from absolutely everything. 239 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 4: I am literally on the toilet, but I have something 240 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 4: to say, so I'm just going to say it. You 241 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 4: are not gonna hear me speak about Anna Paul Addas 242 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 4: Paul ever again. 243 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: After this video. 244 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 4: This is the last time I'm speaking about these people. 245 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: Mikayla Tester has announced she's done speaking about the Paul family. 246 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: The revelation came a day after she released a shocking 247 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: voice note Anna Paul sent her. My jaw is still 248 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: on the floor after hearing this voice note. It was 249 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: another receipt from the Millionaires and Billionaires group chat that 250 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: Mikhayla Tester, Anna Paul and Adams Paul were a part of. 251 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 2: I still can't get over the name of that group chat. 252 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: That says it all, doesn't it? 253 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: It does Now. According to Michayla, Anna allegedly instructed the 254 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: group to troll Addis's ex girlfriend, Alice Patterson after she 255 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: pressed charges against him, which resulted in Adams Paul pleading 256 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: guilty to statutory rape. Let's take a listen, don't save 257 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: this voice message, but we should make fake accounts of 258 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: this is all that. 259 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 5: We should make fake TikTok accounts and just comment on 260 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 5: her appearance on her tiktoks, the mean shit, all the 261 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 5: things that she would be insecure about. 262 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: We should just go into. 263 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 5: Detail and comment that hate so she knows that she 264 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 5: is really that ugly, like those the type of comments 265 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 5: that make you stay awake at night, those types of 266 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 5: comments where you're like, my arm's. 267 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: Really fat, it's my nose really that ugly? 268 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 5: Like we should really go in really specific. 269 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean pretty wild that someone who has based their 270 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: personal brand on kindness is saying this stuff behind the scenes. 271 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: It's pretty shocking, particularly going to the extent of saying, hey, 272 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: let's make up all of these troll accounts to literally 273 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: pray off any insecurity that this young girl had. I mean, 274 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: she was only seventeen at the time. She was underage 275 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: as well, and these are adults doing this to a kid. 276 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: It's utterly shocking, because I mean, this is the worst 277 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: of the worst. I wonder if Mikayla just stumbled across 278 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: this voice note and didn't realize she had it until now, 279 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: because it is a real trump card that I thought 280 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: perhaps she would have liked to use on her podcast. Yeah, 281 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: I'm surprised we didn't hear it on the podcast first 282 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: and off the back of sharing the voice note on 283 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: her story, Mikayla threatened Anna that it was just the 284 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg. When it came to the receipt 285 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: she still had on her she wrote, I've got miles more, 286 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: so stop lying because I'll post them all. You probably 287 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: thought I'd ran out by now, huh. Now. In an 288 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: unexpected turn of events, Ruka Salt announced on Friday night 289 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: that she would no longer be posting about the Paul 290 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: family because it was having a detrimental effect on her health. Now. 291 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: She has been a very strong ally to Mikayla. She 292 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: was the one who alleged first that Anna Paul's dad, 293 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: Hans was homeless. Yeah, She's been very vocal about the 294 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: polls and in her personal life. She is currently trying 295 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: to feel pregnant and says that the stress of the 296 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: situation has caused her to lose her period. She finished 297 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: up by writing, I'll be supporting all the girls from 298 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,599 Speaker 1: the sidelines from now on now. On Saturday, Mikayla surprisingly 299 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: followed suit, announcing on her Instagram story that she's also 300 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: no longer going to be speaking about the Paul family. 301 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: She said that there won't be a fourth episode of 302 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: her podcast because she's proven herself enough. Instead, she said 303 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: she'll be taking legal action and getting justice. 304 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: Via the court. 305 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: She also importantly added that Anna Paul is not suing 306 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: her for defamation because she knows that she can't. And 307 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: it was quite cheeky because she pointed out that she'll 308 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: be resuming daily vlogging on her TikTok, just like she 309 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: did back in twenty twenty two, and she added, and 310 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: what I said in those voice notes, I deserve those 311 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: seven million followers, or should I correct myself six point 312 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: one million now. She also urged her followers to go 313 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: follow Alice Patterson on Instagram and TikTok because she is 314 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: another victim that is continuing to. 315 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: Tell her story now. 316 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: She did back up her written statement with a TikTok 317 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: funnily enough, which she filmed on the toilet. I cracked 318 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: up when she said that. And also I could just 319 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: see the flush button behind her during a lot of 320 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: the video. It was a very fancy flush, you know what. 321 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: It was pretty flattering lighting as well. I feel like 322 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: that had something to do with it. She was taking 323 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: the video from sky. Wheatley always used to post from 324 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: the toilet on her story. Well, sometimes they say if 325 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: you're talking to a camera, do it in the spot 326 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: where you feel most comfortable. Clearly, the toilet is a 327 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: spotwherel a lot of people feel comfortable. 328 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 329 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: Well, Mikayla said that the show was over, and she 330 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: reiterated a lot of what she said in her Instagram story. 331 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: She said that the whole ordeal had left her boarding 332 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: and also hiding indoors. It also seemed like it was 333 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: an opportunity for Mikayla to get on the front foot 334 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: in terms of that voice note with Anna Paul, because 335 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: everyone was starting to ask, well, what did you say 336 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: back to her? So Mikayla shared Anna's voice note for 337 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: TikTok because last time she only put it on a story. 338 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: And then she added her response in Let's listen to 339 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: what Mikayla and Addis replied back in twenty twenty one 340 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: to Anna, I don't. 341 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 6: Know if I told you, don't say this postmasage too, 342 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 6: but I made a fake account. 343 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: I think I told Atis I made a fake. 344 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 6: Account like the other day, because she did a video 345 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 6: where she did wing diyeliner. And I know she's like 346 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 6: really insecure about people telling her that she's copying me, 347 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 6: because every time she does something that I do, everyone 348 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 6: already pounces on her and tells her that. But I 349 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 6: made a fake out. I commented it, and then I 350 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 6: went back and looked an hour later, and her whole 351 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 6: video was deleted too. 352 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 5: Pretty much just like make accounts all day on a 353 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 5: bank roll, like I've got them on payroll. 354 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 6: Just make accounts and common shit all day on every 355 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 6: piece of her social media. 356 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: Is this what these people spend their whole time doing. 357 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you see their daily vlogs. Maybe they need 358 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: to be a bit more honest. I spent the next 359 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: two hours just creating a ton of control. 360 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: Again, this was never in the Daily Blog. 361 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: Michaela went on to say that she was a demon, 362 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: but Anna Paul was the devil, and she said her 363 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: behavior was the result of spending too much time with Anna. 364 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: She also said the difference was that the polls had 365 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: painted Alice out to be this crazy ex girlfriend and 366 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: she didn't personally know Alice, whereas Anna actually did know her. 367 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: That is a good point because I feel like the 368 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: wall was being pulled over Michayla's eyes. So let's be honest, 369 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: most of us hate our partner's ex girlfriend. 370 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 371 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: I mean we'll also have to remember these people's ages. 372 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: I mean that's clearly something that none of us would 373 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: ever ever do. 374 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: These people are in their early twenties. 375 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: I'm not making excuses for what they're doing, but it 376 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: is very juvenile behavior. 377 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 5: Yeah. 378 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: And Mikayla's been really upfront and taken accountability for what 379 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: she's done. She's always said, look, I haven't been a 380 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: good person in this. I should have spoken out, I 381 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: shouldn't have participated alongside the polls, And she did say 382 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: that again in her TikTok. 383 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 2: There's been a lot. 384 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: Of speculation that perhaps Michayla and Veruka had finally been 385 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: gagged by Anna Paul's legal team, but Michayla finished by 386 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: saying this. 387 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 4: Everything I said is the truth. There is no legal 388 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 4: action from Anna. There won't be because she knows everything 389 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 4: I say. 390 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 7: Is the truth. 391 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 4: And Anna have a lot worse receipts than that voice message. 392 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 4: I could have used that in episode one of my podcast, 393 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 4: but I didn't. I've got some golden receipts and she 394 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 4: knows I'll pull those out in court and all of 395 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 4: her little money that she would have spent towards suing 396 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 4: me for defamation would have gone down the dream. 397 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: That's why she never bothered. 398 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: What I'm reading into this is perhaps they've agreed to 399 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: a bit of a truth. 400 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 2: There's so much. 401 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: Back and forth happening at the moment, this airing of 402 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: dirty laundry, these voice notes. Maybe Anna has gone to 403 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: Michayla and said, look, if you say anything else about me, 404 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to release X, Y and Z. Like maybe 405 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: there's a been a black about going on, and Mikayla's 406 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: been like, okay, I've had my say, let me release 407 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: this last one and that's where I'll finish things. 408 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 2: See. 409 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: I actually think that Mikayla has taken a step back 410 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: and realize that the more she talks about the situation, 411 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: the more it's diluting the serious message, and it is 412 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: becoming this petty slinging match and we're forgetting the real issue, 413 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: which is Adis Paul's behavior. And I actually think it's 414 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: really good that she's decided to take this offline now 415 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: and actually follow it up legally. And when you think 416 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: about the way a lot of these news stories break 417 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: and everyone's attention, this story has been going on for 418 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: over a month now, it was two months actually, well 419 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: two months, and I think that they've realized that it's 420 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: as terrible as it is to say, the people's interest 421 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: in it is drying up. Everyone was there for the 422 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: dirty details. I think that they've also realized they've done 423 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: enough damage to Addis and Anna's reputation. I mean, you 424 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: only have to look at Anna Paul's Coachella videos to 425 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: see her comment section is flooded with people telling. 426 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 2: Me how to get off. We don't want to hear. 427 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: I think that they've realized that they've done all that 428 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: they can and now it's time for them to move 429 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: on happily with their own lives. I mean, Mikayla, she's 430 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: obviously trying to build a successful vlogging career on TikTok, 431 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: and her popularity is that it's peak at the moment. 432 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: So she doesn't want to be a one trick pony 433 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: and only showed that she can condemn this family. She 434 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: wants to show a different side of herself. Well, she 435 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: almost has to follow in Anna Poule's footsteps now and 436 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: just ignore the whole situation and move on and be positive, 437 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,959 Speaker 1: which I think she's trying to do by sharing her 438 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: daily vlogs. I think she realizes that people are getting 439 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: a little bit tired of hearing the same thing about 440 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: Anna Poul over and over again. 441 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 2: And I mean, I'm quite enjoying. I've been enjoying it. 442 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: For two months, but it gets difficult to keep following. 443 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: You're like, hang on, I've missed that bit, and then 444 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: this person's talking about it, and this person's talking about it. 445 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: I wonder if Anna Poul will just take it longing 446 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: down though, or you know, because the voice note has 447 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: done her a lot of doubt, she's going to continue 448 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: to ignore. I mean, she's still posting that nothing's happened 449 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: on snapchat. I think that they're all going to get 450 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: back to ignoring, and you know, the damages that Anna 451 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: Poul has lost a million followers. She should have lost more. 452 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: I think if anyone listening to this podcast is still 453 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: following her, give her he unfollowed. Also, it's done so 454 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: much reputational damage. I know she's not an influencer who 455 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: works with a ton of different brands, but no brand 456 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: is going to want to touch her with a ten 457 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: foot pole. It's also done huge damage to her skincare brand. 458 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: Pol You say that, but she was still invited to 459 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: the Grand Prix. There's still eyeballs on her. I think 460 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: it will take a while for her to sign a 461 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: big brand deal again. But I mean, if you had 462 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,239 Speaker 1: a brand, would you want to work with her? 463 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't. 464 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: But I don't think that she's canceled. I don't think 465 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: in this day and age that influencers can be canceled anymore. 466 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: I actually think that this has made her more famous 467 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: infamous as it be, and I think she'll be back. 468 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: I think now that she's been pushed down at tall 469 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: pubby syndrome, she's been cut down. 470 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 2: She will return. 471 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: She'll return without Adas by her side, which you will 472 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: be very difficult for her because it's quite apparent how 473 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: close they are. 474 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 7: Hey, everyone. I just wanted to take a moment to 475 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 7: speak openly and honestly about video I posted that's been 476 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 7: taken out of context and caused a lot of confusion 477 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 7: and her. 478 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: A three second clip of Amy Connor doing a salute 479 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: before heading off to work has resulted in the TikToker 480 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: receiving death threats, being stood down from work and a 481 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: police investigation. Kate, before we get into it. For our 482 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: listeners who aren't familiar. 483 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 2: With her, who is Amy Connor Well. 484 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: She's actually better known as Ames online and she's a 485 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: thirty nine year old registered nurse and mum from the 486 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: south coast of New South Wales. We actually interviewed her 487 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: on our Christmas special last year and Aims started out 488 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: creating content on TikTok as a way to stay sane 489 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: during the pandemic and also as a way to be 490 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: creative while she was on maternity leave, and she very 491 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: quickly cultivated an engaged audience by sharing fly on the 492 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,959 Speaker 1: Wall style content of life at home with four children. 493 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: She now has one point two million followers on TikTok 494 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: and at one hundred and forty three thousand on Instagram. Now, 495 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,719 Speaker 1: despite taking off as an influencer. Aimes still works casual 496 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: ship as a nurse, and she is far from being 497 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: a problematic influencer. Her content is very positive, wholesome and fun. 498 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: She's probably best known for creatively repurposing leftover food from 499 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: her kid's meals. So I was absolutely shocked and confused 500 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: when these accusations came out. And she's just an all 501 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: round legend. I have to say she's a lovely person. 502 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: When Amy and I interviewed her for Christmas, she was 503 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: so generous with her time. She's so smart. I love 504 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: the fact that she still has a career whilst working 505 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: as an influencer and also as a mom. And I 506 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: never thought we would be discussing some scandal involving Aims 507 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: on our podcast. I mean, I think she's even joked 508 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: about it on her TikTok before, when she said she 509 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: listened to Outspoken because she just loves hearing all. 510 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: The drama that she's not involved in. 511 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: Let's get into what actually happened, because I feel like 512 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: there is a lot of miscommunication and crosswise. So two 513 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 1: weeks ago, Aime shared a video to TikTok documenting her 514 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: morning routine as a casual pulner and in a now 515 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: deleted clip from that video, Ames did a military style 516 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: salute with her left hand in the mirror before heading 517 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: off to work. Now off the back of that video, 518 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: Ames was accused by some followers of performing a Nazi 519 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: style salute, and the gesture is associated with Adolph Hitler 520 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: and is performed by extending the right arm from the 521 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: shoulder into the air. Yeah, and screenshots of Ames with 522 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: her arm in the air started circulating on TikTok and 523 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: other forums. Next came doctored versions of the video where 524 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: the salute was reversed to make it look like a 525 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: Nazi salute, and Ames ended up editing the salute out 526 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: of the original TikTok she uploaded, but the damage was 527 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: already done. 528 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 2: In an interview with. 529 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: News dot com do Au, Ames explained that she edits 530 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: her own TikTok footage and she didn't think anything of 531 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: the salute when she uploaded the video, so she was 532 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: left absolutely shocked when people started making accusations. The sad 533 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: thing is that Ames was simply salute fellow healthcare workers, 534 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: and she said in this interview that it was taken 535 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: out of context. People were reversing it and playing it backwards, 536 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: so it looked like the opposite of how I did it. 537 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 1: She said, I see the image and I'm scared of it. 538 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: The screenshot terrifies me. I'm having nightmares because this is 539 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: not me and that is not what I was doing. 540 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: When I see it in my head, I start shaking. 541 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: And she went on to say that she can understand 542 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 1: why people have gotten the wrong impression by the altered 543 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: images online or the out of context screenshots. This is 544 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: a very serious accusation to make against someone, particularly because 545 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: in January last year, it became illegal in Australia to 546 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: perform a Nazi salute in public. Now. The law was 547 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: introduced off the back of the rise in anti semitism 548 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: in Australia, and the accusation has been taken very seriously 549 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: because Ames ended up being stood down from New South 550 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: Wales Health while the matter was being investigated. After her 551 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: work was contacted, the police were then contacted to investigate. Now, 552 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: according to Ames, the salute has been cleared by the 553 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: police and the nursing board and the only reason she's 554 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: unable to return to work is because she violated social 555 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: media policies by filming herself and coworkers at work. Oh wow, 556 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: so they've said you're all clear of this accusation, but 557 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: hold on, we've noticed that you shouldn't actually be posting. 558 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: About your job full stop now. 559 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: New South Wales Police have also confirmed that they commenced 560 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: an investigation after reports of an offensive video posted on 561 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: social media. Following inquiries, no further police action is expected. 562 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: My heart's been feeling really heavy for Ames over this 563 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: whole ordeal because I think it has been completely taken 564 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: out of context and it really shows how a screenshot 565 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: can be manipulated and made to look a hell of 566 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: a lot worse than it actually is. Now. On Easter Saturday, 567 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: Ames posted an apology on social media. It was really 568 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: difficult to watch because she was visibly distressed and shaking 569 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: in it. She denied the gesture was a Nazi salute. 570 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: She also took a note out of Mikayla Tester's book 571 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: and read from notes on her phone. 572 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: Here's some of what she said. 573 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 7: Hey everyone, I just wanted to take a moment to 574 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 7: speak openly and honestly about a video I posted that's 575 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 7: been taken out of context and caused a lot of 576 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,719 Speaker 7: confusion and her I've decided to use notes to make 577 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 7: sure I don't miss anything and offend anyone Further, in 578 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 7: that clip I made that was intended to be a 579 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 7: soldier's salute, but a screenshot of that moment has been 580 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 7: circulated and accused of being a Nazi salute. I want 581 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 7: to be absolutely clear that was never my intention, and 582 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 7: I do not in any way support or condone hate 583 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 7: or extremism of any kind. 584 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 1: Now, Ames went on to apologize to military members for 585 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: any offense she caused. She said that she realized it 586 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: was not her place to use the gesture, even in 587 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: a lighthearted way, and in Ames's apology video, she also 588 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,719 Speaker 1: confirmed that the incident had been reported to the police 589 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: and she's been cleared of any wrongdoing. What shot me 590 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: the most was hearing Ames talk about the impact that 591 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: the incident had had on her personally. She reveals she's 592 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: been receiving very concerning messages and even death threats against 593 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: her and her family, and she later confirmed that there 594 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: is now an open police investigation going on because she 595 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: fears for her own personal safety. Well for Ames, because 596 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: she does live her life so publicly online and people 597 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: could easily piece together where she lives. This threat would 598 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: feel very real for her exactly, you'd feel so vulnerable 599 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: with four young kids. Now, it's important to know that 600 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: Ames made a deliberate decision not to apologize to the 601 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: Jewish community. In an interview with news dot com do Au, 602 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: she explained that she didn't want to apologize over something 603 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: that she didn't do. She said, I didn't want it 604 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: to sound like I was admitting to guilt. I started 605 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 1: at my forehead, which is how a traditional soldier salute starts. 606 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: I was apologizing for that, but I wasn't doing a 607 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: Nazi salute. It'd be so easy to take out of 608 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: context again and the people would say, why are you 609 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: apologizing to them if you didn't do it. 610 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 2: I think this was a very clever move by Ames. 611 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: From a PR perspective, you should never admit guilt or 612 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: apologize for something that you didn't actually do. If she'd 613 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: release this official statement saying I apologize to the Jewel 614 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,479 Speaker 1: Wish community for the offensive salute that I did, it 615 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: then just gives the media free reign to run with 616 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: the story saying an Aussie influencer has apologized. 617 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: For doing a Nazi salute. 618 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 1: You're right, but since then a leading member of the 619 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: Australian Jewish community has come out and condemned Ames's video. 620 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: Doctor Diva Abramovich, who is the chairman of the Anti 621 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: Defamation Commission and a leading force behind the national push 622 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: to ban public displays of the Nazi salute and swatsticker, 623 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: wrote in an opinion piece for The Nightly online publication. 624 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: He said, for Holocaust survivors, that outreached arm is not 625 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: a symbol of fitness or fun. It is the gesture 626 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: that marched six million Jews and millions of others to 627 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,719 Speaker 1: their death. A gesture that once accompanied cries of Hail Hitler, 628 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: is now edited into a day in the Life montage 629 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: and seen by millions of followers. That is not just 630 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: poor judgment, It is a symptom of dangerous ignorance. This 631 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: is the outcome when history is not taught, when Holocaust's 632 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: education is sidelined, and when genocide is flattened into a trend. 633 00:28:59,480 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 3: Now. 634 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: He went on to say that the intent behind the 635 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: video was irrelevant because intent does not eraise impact, whether 636 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: accidental or deliberate, Performing a Nazi salute in any context 637 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: is an act that reopens wounds and desecrates memories. He 638 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: also went on to say it's not about cancel culture 639 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: or punishing someone forever. It's a matter of collective responsibility. 640 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: He wrote, because when influencers can post genocidal symbols without 641 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: grasping their weight, we have failed, not just as a 642 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,719 Speaker 1: Jewish community, but as a nation. It is a deeply 643 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: distressing time for the Jewish community as a whole at 644 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: the moment. And I completely respect what doctor Abramovich had 645 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: to say on the matter. 646 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 2: As someone who. 647 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: Isn't Jewish, I really can't begin to imagine how upsetting 648 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: the whole incident has been and how triggering it would 649 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: be in saying that, I believe the upset has been 650 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: unfairly caused by a lot of trolls who seem to 651 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: have manufactured this drama in an attempt to bring aims down. 652 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: I do feel like her gesture has been taken out 653 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: of context and also blown into something it was never 654 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: into to be, And I think we need to be 655 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: very wary because manipulating footage and taking screenshots out of 656 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: context to try and push a narrative against an influencer 657 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: is incredibly dangerous, particularly when it's this serious. It's a 658 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: criminal offense and labeling someone as a Nazi is life changing. 659 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: It's completely unfair and disrespectful to the Jewish community as 660 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,479 Speaker 1: well to use them as a means to start a 661 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: witch hunt against an influencer. They're going through enough as 662 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: it is. I just feel like there's so many people 663 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: who are that desperate to bring down particular influencers that 664 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: they don't like, that they're willing to stop at nothing. 665 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: And it's really unfortunate that Ames edited the salute out 666 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: of the vlog because I've seen it and it has 667 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: been completely taken out of context, and the screen shots, 668 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: as you said, have been manipulated. They've made to look 669 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: completely different, and unfortunately people are now going off the 670 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: screenshots which are misleading, and the fact that this woman 671 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: and her young family are receiving death threats is a 672 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: polling yeah, as Ames said in an interview that people 673 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: accusing her of a crime don't understand the magnitude of 674 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: their actions now. Ames said that she would be taking 675 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: time offline over the Easter long weekend. She did return 676 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: last week to thank everyone for their love and support. 677 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: She also revealed that she has called Lifeline for support 678 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: over the weekend, and she said it's not the first 679 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: time she's actually used Lifeline services before. She actually called 680 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: them when she was going through a difficult time when 681 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: she was twenty five. 682 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 5: Now. 683 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: She did return to social media on Sunday, sharing a 684 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: week bit slice recipe and seems to be back to 685 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: her usual positive and fun content. The thing is when 686 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: you actually look at Ames's comment section and the reality 687 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: is that the people who know her and follow her 688 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: for her positive content, they haven't brought into any of this. 689 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: And that's a dangerous thing about TikTok. The people can 690 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: stumble across content who don't know the creator and take 691 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: it out of context. Yeah, I'm glad that Ames has 692 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: the backing of her community, but there are still news 693 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: articles now with her name and Nazi. 694 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 2: Attached to it. 695 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: You can't get rid of those that The damage has 696 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: been done, and it makes me really annoyed that people 697 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: have to go out of their way to try and 698 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: destroy other people's reputation just because they might not like 699 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: them online. Like, Okay, I'm all for holding influences to 700 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: account when they do the wrong thing, but to take 701 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: something out of context and make it into something that 702 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: it's not to punish someone what because they repurpose their kids' leftovers. 703 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: We need to look at ourselves as a society and 704 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: be like this has just gone too far. It's like 705 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: someone saw this and thought, oh, this is an opportunity 706 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: to take advantage and take this out of context. 707 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 2: We need, generally what it feels like. 708 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: We need to look at people's intentions and their character. 709 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: I mean, when Elia Musk got up and did that 710 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: hand gesture, you could see why people jump to conclusions. Yes, 711 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: excauted his character, but in this instance, this. 712 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 2: Is a nurse, a mother of four, and. 713 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: Someone who shares positive content and uplifting content. Well, that 714 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: is where we're going to leave things today. 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