1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf on Mixed one oh four 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: point nine thanks to Joyce main Darwin. Joining us in 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: the studio right now is the Deputy Opposition leader Jared Mayley. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners. 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Now, Jared, obviously we've got you on this morning. I 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you in your role as the 7 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: shadow Minister for Recreational Fishing. But before we get to that, 8 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: I just want to get your take on the fact 9 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: that we've just heard in the local news with Maddi Hepworth, 10 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: an eighty year old woman was targeted yesterday by a 11 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: fifteen year old girl at Casuarina in terms of a 12 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: handbag theft. Now, that on its own, I think is 13 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: pretty terrible behavior. But then when you look at what's 14 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: happened last week in Alice Springs, there were two incidents 15 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: which saw elderly women targeted. There was also a man 16 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: who was sitting at a cafe I believe he was 17 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: in his sixties who'd been targeted. I mean, we reached 18 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: a situation in the territory at the moment where older 19 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: people are being preyed upon. 20 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: Certainly, did you just show the complete lack of leadership 21 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: by the Gun and government. Last week in parliament to 22 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: COLP tried to talk about crime. That's centiers were made. 23 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: They were rejected. We put up a matter of public important, 24 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 2: we talked about crime. Only one member of the Labor 25 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: Party spoke about it. They simply got their head in 26 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: the sand. And when you talk about crime in genuine 27 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: then you go to the scene, which is even worse. 28 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: These people are basically old, they're vulnerable and they can't 29 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 2: defend themselves, and these people are picking on it. It's 30 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: just unacceptable. 31 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I find it really disgraceful behavior. I think, you know, 32 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: if you can't respect sceniors in the community, who can 33 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: you respect is really you know the way that I feel, 34 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: especially when you're talking about teenagers. And I don't know 35 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: what we need to do here to make some change 36 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: in this space, but something's got to change. You can't 37 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: have a situation where you've got older people who don't 38 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: feel safe go in the shops. 39 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: It's just unacceptable. These people are up here, they're still 40 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: investing in the community, they're spending their money. They don't 41 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: want to go because generally they've got family and they've 42 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: got friends up here and they can't even feel safe 43 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: to go shopping and go down the moor or go 44 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: for a walk. It's just unacceptable. It just shows that 45 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: there are no consequences for the young offenders who think 46 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 2: they are above them law and can do what they want. 47 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: The government say that they're implementing a raft of different changes. 48 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: They rattled some of them off this morning. I know 49 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: that they've been talking about them over the last couple 50 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: of weeks. Some of those are changes to the ring 51 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: leaders legislation or law. Do you think any of that's 52 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: going to make a difference. 53 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 2: Well, from my understanding is the ring leaders legislation, there's 54 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: all rery laws that cover that, the whole joint criminal 55 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 2: responsibility laws. So if you do things together you don't 56 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: have to necessarily do the crime yourself. But if you're 57 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 2: a help planner and you are involved in it, well 58 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: you can still get charged. So obviously what they're doing 59 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 2: is not enough. Our statistics are going through the roof, 60 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: and if you look at the crime stats for last year, 61 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: thirty percent up, twenty eight percent up, fifty eight percent 62 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: up when all that alcohol related DV alcohol related crime, 63 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: and that's including a three month with a biosecurity zone 64 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 2: where people were back staying away from the town. So 65 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: imagine if that wasn't there. So it's just really really disgraceful. 66 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: And gun is just not doing enough. They've got the 67 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: head in the sand. They've had ample opportunity, and I 68 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: think Michael Gunner was an is show saying baal is 69 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: not an issue. That's just on acceptable. 70 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: Some of those stats show that, you know, some of 71 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: the property crime and that has gone down, though, I 72 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: mean it's hard. I suppose for our listeners. It's really 73 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: hard because with some of the stats saying all right, 74 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: things have gone down, others are saying, you know, some 75 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: of these issues have gone up. But at the end 76 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: of the day, it comes down to whether people feel 77 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: safe or not. I think, and you know, if you 78 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: have older people in the community who are worried when 79 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: they go out to do their shopping or go to 80 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: an ATM, it's just not good. 81 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: Enough, just unacceptable. Michael Gunner and the Gunner lay of 82 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: a government need to step up. They need to show 83 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: some leadership. They need to stop trying to cover up scandals. 84 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: They need to really go out into the community and 85 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: listen to what's going on. The Country Liberal Party. We 86 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: had a meeting in our Springs. We walked up and 87 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: down the mall, we met business owners, we had lunch 88 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: in the city. Leah went out with the security people 89 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: along with Josh. They saw what's going on down there. 90 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: Time for Gunner to get their head out of the 91 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: stand and do the same thing because it's unacceptable these 92 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: old people, any sort of crimes unacceptable. 93 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: I know that in Parliament last week the opposition old 94 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: you guys, negative nancies. They said that you're talking the 95 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: territory down. Is that what you're doing. 96 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: No, what we're trying to do is we go out 97 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: there into the community and people come to me and 98 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: talk to me about crime. Right across all our members. 99 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: We just find it really hard to believe that those 100 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: people other people aren't going into alpace, held seats and 101 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 2: talking to them, because they must be, because it is 102 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: right across. So we're out there, we're listening to territories 103 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: and trying to bring their concern into Parliament because that's 104 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: what our job is. 105 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: Hey, I want to move along because we know that 106 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: those changes came into place yesterday. When it comes to 107 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: being able to access thousands of kilometers of the Northern 108 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: Territories coastline for fishing. I know that you are obviously 109 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: the minister in well the shadow minister, I should say, 110 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: for recreational fishing. You reckon that the government's completely failed 111 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: recreational fishes. After the NLC made this announcement yesterday. How's 112 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: the government failed fishes with this? I mean, isn't it 113 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: something that the NLC has to work on? 114 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 2: Look, first, I want to start with I respect the 115 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: traditional owners. The blue mud Baites given their sole responsible 116 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 2: for their land, so I accept that. So they just 117 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: like anyone else the who's owned a locker land, they've 118 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: got control over it. So that's the starting point. So 119 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: what the government have failed to do is to go 120 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: into negotiate with those people about a deal for a 121 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: recreational fishing to be able to go into that. So 122 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 2: there's an opportunity here for traditional owners and record fishioners 123 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: to come in join together and pume a lot of 124 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: money into the economy. And it's really up to the 125 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 2: government to negotiate that deal. They have let everyone down. 126 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: They let the traditional owners down, they let fishows down. 127 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 2: There's just so much uncertainty. I know that the Deputy 128 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: Chief Miants have come out and say that's not the 129 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: ten million dollars, that's not the deal we thought it was, 130 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: and then the permits would come on and off the table. 131 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 2: No one really knows what's going on. 132 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: What could have happened differently here? How do you think 133 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: that this could have been avoided given the fact that 134 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, like I said, it does come down to 135 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: obviously the NLC and those traditional owners being able to 136 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: do those negotiations. 137 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: Well, ultimately what needs to happen. We're not privileged to 138 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 2: the negotiations. We don't know what the traditional owner stands 139 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 2: are or NLC, we don't know what the government. But 140 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 2: there's time for the government to think outside the box 141 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 2: and make some offers and get this matter done, dust 142 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 2: it and put to bed. 143 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: So do you think that there should be an offer 144 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: of an additional payment or what? Do you think that 145 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: you know that we that the government needs to be 146 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: looking at in this space. 147 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: It's hard for me to say that because I don't 148 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: know what the offers are. But you know, there's not 149 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: just money and easy to go outside the box. There 150 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: could be job offers, there could be better infrastructure, There's 151 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: all sorts of things that could be part of this 152 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: deal that will benefit everybody because if they're going to 153 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: be a better road not just to trash liners who 154 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: want to go fishing, but other people will come in. 155 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: It could be. 156 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: Tourists go there. It's a lot wider than that, and 157 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: that's what the government's job is to do, is to 158 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: make sure that all territories benefit and right now they've failed. 159 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: Has the Opposition met with the NLC and sort of 160 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: had a discussion with them to see whether there are 161 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: some I mean, I know that you guys aren't in 162 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: charge obviously the government are, but have you met with 163 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 1: the NLC to hear their concerns or hear why those 164 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: you know, those changes may have broken down to some degree. 165 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 2: No, we haven't had an opportunity to speak to these 166 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 2: but I've been speaking to amateur fishermen. And remember we've 167 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: only it's only been election six months ago and this 168 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 2: is only relatively new because before the election the Labor 169 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: government outs the ten million dollars a two year deal 170 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: and the deal was for two years and then negotiation, 171 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: so there was no real pressing issue to do it. 172 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: But now it's come to the head we need to 173 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 2: get and sort that out. So yes, we will be 174 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: approaching him and asking what their view is. 175 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: What impact do you reckon that these changes are going 176 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: to have on our amateur fishermen. We spoke to David 177 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: Schirovolo yesterday and he said that places like Dundee, you know, 178 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: where people book to go out there, there's going to 179 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: be certain areas where they're no longer going to be 180 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: able to go on fish. The Finnis is one which 181 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: has been mentioned quite a bit. What you know, how 182 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: do you think that this is going to impact our 183 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: recreational fishes. 184 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: It's going to impact a lot of people, and not 185 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: just for our recreational fishing. It's the tour guys to 186 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: come up who books. We all know that Dundee is 187 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: a really popular place people use. All the tour guys 188 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: out there. They stay at the lodge and they go 189 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: fishing out through that bay to the Finnis and also 190 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: the Little Finnis and Point Blend Jenny and Point Blaze 191 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: all around that point. There's lots of country where people 192 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: can go fishing. Now they just can't do it. So 193 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: there's no certainty in writing to it. Like again, I 194 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 2: respect traditional owners, cause see they can make the decision 195 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: but what I'm really upset about is the government has 196 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: failed territorying to negotiated deal. 197 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: And so you reckon. They need to get back to 198 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: the table. They need to start negotiating. 199 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: Again, certainly, and they need to make offers outside the 200 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: box and work out what the problem is and solve 201 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: it for everyone and just bring it to a head 202 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: and finish it. 203 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: Jared Mailey, the Deputy Opposition Leader and also the Shadow 204 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: Minister for Recreational Fishing, really appreciate your time this morning. 205 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: Thanks for coming in 206 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: Thank you, and thank you listeners.