1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: On today's show, Christine Philipper cops backlash after listing her 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: gifted bed for sale, Lily Brown hits back at trolls, 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Pixie Curtis's luxury car is on the market, and is 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: your mobile phone Controlling your life? Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torbert and I never 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: knew the domestic duties would create such engagement on our page. 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: We had a subscriber episode on Wednesday and we were 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: doing a ru the Asshole segment about sheets and basically 10 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: how often you wash your sheets. We have never had 11 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: so many people with strong opinions replying about it. I 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: think the general consensus is that most people wash their 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: sheets once a week. Well, there were a few that 14 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: said fortnightly and monthly. I think anything over a month 15 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: was quite gross. Yeah, it made me feel a lot 16 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: better because I definitely don't wash my sheets once a week, 17 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: so the fact that some people said that they can't 18 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: the last time they washed them make me feel a 19 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 1: little bit better. I'm feeling really sensitive about home duties 20 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: at the moment because over the weekend I had a 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: bit of a scare. So for about two weeks I 22 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: have been using laundry pods instead of dish washing tablets. 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: Oh the message you sent through you like, on the 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: packet it said it was poisonous to consume. Oh yeah, 25 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: I don't know how I didn't see it because on 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: the front of the packet it's literally got a photo 27 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: of some kid consuming the tablets with big cross against it, 28 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my god, do these have bleach? 29 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: And know we've literally been eating off these plates for 30 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: two weeks. It's actually becoming really concerned about you, Sophie, 31 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: because some of the stuff that you've been saying or doing. 32 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: It's a bit trouble. Okay. In my defense, I picked 33 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: up these what I thought with dish washing tablets at 34 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: the supermarket near my parents' house, and there has been 35 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: this huge thing that dish washing tablets are so expensive. 36 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: So I saw this for sale item. I was like, 37 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: only god, there's a sale on dish washing tablets. Oh. 38 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: I got them so cheap. I even told Dad, Oh, 39 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: these were only twenty bucks. I don't even know you 40 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: could get laundry tablets. That's a new invasion. It's so 41 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: funny because I thought they smell so good and like 42 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: there was so much extra foam and everything in there. 43 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: Oh wow, these are better than the crappy Houdi ones 44 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: I've been using. I sometimes wonder how do you actually 45 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: function a normal society when Kate and I aren't there 46 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: to help you because you're so lucky that you work 47 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: with me full time? Okay, well, I actually think that 48 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: these things happen because I was googling it and a 49 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: lot of people on Reddit have done the same thing. 50 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: Can someone please tell me in our Facebook community what 51 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: have you mixed up when it comes to domestic duties? 52 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: Is there something that you fucked up majorly? Like this? 53 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: Also just a reminder for everyone to check their dish 54 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: washing tablets to make sure they're not laundry tablets. 55 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: Hello, guys, welcome back to another little YouTube video. 56 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: Lillly Brown has hit out at trolls after receiving an 57 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: onslaught of negative comments about her appearance online now. One 58 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: of the comments in question was underneath a YouTube video 59 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: which read, girl, please stop with the cheek feeler. It's 60 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: giving you Pillo face and it's really aging you. I 61 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: need to but in what is pillow face. 62 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 63 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: Well, it's a term that's gaining a lot of traction 64 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: because people are throwing it at celebrities who they think 65 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: have had too much work done so they think that 66 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: they've got a plumper than usual face. It looks a 67 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: bit like a pillow, I assume now. Lily actually responded 68 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: directly to this follower and wrote, I haven't had cheek 69 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: feeler in over two years and I don't remember asking 70 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: you for your opinion on my face, but thanks for 71 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: the feedback now. After receiving more comments under her Instagram photos, 72 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: Lily had had enough, so on her Instagram story, she wrote, 73 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: woke up to this comment on my YouTube video from 74 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: last night and have seen a few of these on 75 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: my photos lately too, and just want to give my 76 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: two cents. It's twenty twenty three, are we really still 77 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: doing this? Ever since I started my YouTube channel, I 78 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: had comments constantly about my appearance, and as a young girl, 79 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: they definitely get to you. Even before I had feeler, 80 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: i'd get comments about how awful and scary I looked 81 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: without makeup on, etc. Hence the choice to start feel 82 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: it as soon as I was of age. I've managed 83 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: to remove and dissolve a lot of that feeler I 84 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: had when I was younger, and I feel like my 85 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: face looks the least in quotations botch that it has 86 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: since I started injectables. So to still be receiving comments 87 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: like this is really annoying, and to be honest, not 88 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: warranted and not welcomed on my socials. If you don't 89 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: like the way I look, or if my appearance offends you, 90 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: please unfollow me. I'm not begging you to be here, 91 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: and if it's too much for your eyes to bear, 92 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: scram I promise you. If I want your opinions on something, 93 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: I'll ask, But until then, keep your thoughts and feelings 94 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: about someone else's decisions and looks to your damn self. 95 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: I'm fucking sick of it. This is what I look like. 96 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: If you don't like it, kindly f off. You can 97 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: kind of see why so many influencers do go out 98 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: and get cosmetic surgery because it's such a slippery slope, 99 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: isn't it Like people will complain about their natural face, 100 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: and then when anyone does anything, then other people have 101 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: a problem with it. It just goes to show you 102 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: that you can't actually please anybody online and I think 103 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: that we're forgetting how young Lily Brown was when she 104 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: got into you YouTube. She was only nineteen years old, 105 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: and I just can't imagine being that young and getting 106 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: such an onslaught of comments about your appearance. It would 107 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: be so soul destroying. And as you say, Amy, I 108 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: think that's why we have seen a lot of people 109 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: in this industry turning to cosmetic procedures. I know influencing 110 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: isn't a hard job, and it is privileged, but I 111 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: would find it personally difficult, always being on camera and 112 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: looking at yourself and then getting this negative feedback that 113 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: reinforces the negative thoughts you're already having about your parents. 114 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: On a smaller level, even with podcasting, I think it's 115 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: really difficult because before you could just jump on a podcast, 116 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: it was just your voice, but now everyone expects you 117 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: to film. And we've been filming little snippets for TikTok 118 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: for the past couple of weeks, and even with that, 119 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: I can feel myself just pulling myself to pieces. I 120 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: see every floor. I have this hang up about having 121 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: wrinkles under my eyes. We've had all these arguments because 122 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm always funny about the light I'm like, can we 123 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: get the light? It's good in here. Unfortunately, my office 124 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: space has got the thumbs down for Sophie. She's not 125 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: really happy with how much natural life's coming in. But 126 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is, it is scary to put 127 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: yourself out there, and I mean, TikTok is a very 128 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: nasty place to be, so I just I mean, I'm 129 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: thirty four, so I can't imagine being nineteen the pressures 130 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: that would be on you. And the fact that she 131 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: feels like she had to go out as soon as 132 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: she was of age and get cosmetic procedures that perhaps 133 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: she'd never thought about before is really sad. The joke is, 134 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: she's a beautiful girl, and it just annoys me that 135 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: these young women are always being teared down about their appearance, 136 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: And good don't it for coming out and saying, actually, 137 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: I'm fucking over it, because there's a lot of people 138 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: that say, oh, just turn the other cheek and don't 139 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: say anything about it, but why not. I think what's 140 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: scary is the people that are actually making those comments 141 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: about her appearance. They're such normal people, like you know, 142 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: when you actually pull the mask away and you see 143 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: who the troll is. And you're like far out as 144 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: if you'd ever say that to someone the time. They're 145 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: mums as well. Like I mean not to say that 146 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: mums can't have an opinion, but they're women that you 147 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't think would be that critical. How about we just 148 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: stopped commenting on women's appearance altogether. I mean, on our 149 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: subscriber episode, we spoke about how men are rating Margo 150 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: Robbie mid level attractive. I think the world has gone 151 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: absolutely nuts. Can't get enough of Outspoken. 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Pixie Curtis's 169 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: luxury car is on the market. Her mum, Roxy Jizanko 170 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: listed it on her secondary account, which is called r 171 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: J Curated, where she sells a lot of her old 172 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: designer items. Roxy wrote time for Pixie Curtis's car to go. 173 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: She then listed the car's details and put an asking 174 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: price of one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars and 175 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: asked for those who were interested to inquire with her 176 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: Sweaty Betty email address. Now, despite being years away from 177 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: actually being able to get behind the wheel of this car, 178 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: Pixie was only nine years old when her mum Roxy 179 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: purchased it for her. Well, what the hell was Roxy thinking? 180 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: Because by the time Pixie actually turned sixteen, the car 181 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: would have been about seven years old. Well, Roxy did 182 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: a couple lot of questions like this, initially when she 183 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: bought the car, and she outlined it of course Pixie 184 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: would not be driving the car, but it was going 185 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: to be used by their nanny to transport her between 186 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: school home and also her off lucky nanny. And she 187 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: said also that it was a treat for Pixie and 188 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: her younger brother Hunter because of all of their hard work. 189 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: And we do have to remember that ever since Pixie 190 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: was a baby, she's always had a business. So she 191 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: first of course had Pixie's Bows, and then in May 192 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one she launched Pixie's Fidgets, and I was 193 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: shocked to be reminded that Pixie's business was making two 194 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars a month. So Roxy wanted to get 195 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: them something to congratulate them for their hard work, because 196 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: apparently also Hunter had been packing a lot of the 197 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: boxes and giving his input on ideas. Back to the 198 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: selling of the car, it's an interesting mode to sell 199 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: it through her Instagram account. You think you'd go on 200 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: car sales or maybe trade it in. And the whole 201 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: reason they are selling the car is of course because 202 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: the family are moving to Singapore to be with Roxy's 203 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: husband while he's working. Did you guys. See, Pixie is 204 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: now planning her twelfth birthday and she's also doing it 205 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: as a farewell to her Australian friends. Well, I've seen 206 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: MCO Beauty jump on and they're doing all these goodie 207 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: bags for all of the kids to receive when they 208 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: leave the part. Do we get an invite? Like? Am 209 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: I too old to go? You imagine the poor mothers 210 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: of her friends, like, they're probably like, fuck, how they 211 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: hell do we compete next time it's my daughter's birthday. 212 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: They probably all go to elite private schools. I don't 213 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: think they'll be too hard done by it. 214 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 2: True. 215 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: Going back to the car, I was quite surprised how 216 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: much it had decreased in value. So Roxy originally purchased 217 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: it for two hundred and seventy thousand dollars and she's 218 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: now selling it for one hundred and forty five thousand 219 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: dollars less. And that's just in a couple of years. Yeah, 220 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: but that's just what happens when you buy a new car. 221 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: As soon as you drive her out of the dealership, 222 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: it has rapidly decreased in value. 223 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: The items that I have done work for that, I 224 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 2: have sold items for them, so they have made their 225 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 2: money back from giving me that thing as well the company. 226 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: New Zealand influencer Christine Philippa has cop backlash after listing 227 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: her gifted bed for sale. Now, before we get into it, Sophie, 228 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: can you explain who Christine Philippa is. Yeah? Well, Christine 229 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: is a twenty two year old self proclaimed influencer who 230 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: has two kids and she first fell pregnant when she 231 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: was eighteen and documented her jo on Instagram and YouTube. 232 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: She now has one hundred and twenty seven thousand followers 233 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: on Instagram and forty six thousand on YouTube, and these 234 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: days she shares family content as well as promoting self love. Now. Currently, 235 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: she and her partner and kids are preparing to move 236 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: from Brisbane back home to New Zealand. In the process, 237 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: she has been sharing videos of her packing and culling 238 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: a lot of her stuff and this is where she's 239 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: got in trouble. So on her backup account, she posted 240 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: a photo of her bed and wrote, we need to 241 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: sell our bed this week asap. The mattress and frame 242 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: retail for six thousand aud We're hoping to get a 243 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: bit of money for this, but not much eighteen hundred 244 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: or make an offer. It has to go. Unfortunately everything does. Now. 245 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: The issue is the bed she is selling was gifted 246 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: to her as part of a paid promotion she did 247 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: with Emma Mattress. So Christine shared a video of her 248 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: and her family setting up the bed back in April, 249 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: and then another post in May about the bed. It's 250 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: unclear what the deal between Christine and Emma Mattress was, 251 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: but the young mub did include the hashtag ad rather 252 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: than hashtag gifted, so you would presume she received the 253 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: mattress in bed for free as well as being paid 254 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: to promote it. Now, this isn't the first time Christine 255 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: has caught backlash for selling items she received from brand deals. 256 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, she received negative feedback after selling her pram. 257 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: Now someone in our Facebook community has taken a screenshot 258 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: of Christine's update and shared it asking for people's opinions 259 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: on it, and Christine has become aware of this post 260 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: and shared it on her own story. She wrote, totally 261 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: fair enough thoughts, but I needed to buy a new bed. Loll. 262 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: There's no profit being made moving countries. Guys, I'm taking 263 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: a complete loss by selling our house. We have been 264 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: giving so much stuff away for free, thousands of dollars 265 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: worth of clothing, baby clothes, baby nappies, furniture, toys, dacor, 266 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: and food. There is no profit in selling our bed. 267 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: It's a negative. Now following this post, Christine went on 268 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 1: a ten minute rant on an Instagram story about her 269 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: reasoning for selling her bed. She explained she needs to 270 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: sell it so she can afford to buy a new 271 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: one when she moves back home to New Zealand. Now 272 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: it's important to note that part of the reason Christine 273 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: and her family are moving back home is because they 274 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: are financially struggling. And she said the job of an 275 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: influencer is weird and some people don't understand how payment works. 276 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: She then asked how people would feel if they had 277 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: to give their wage away to a charity, because she 278 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: feels people are essentially asking her to do that. She 279 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: then said to her audience, why isn't she allowed to 280 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: need something? I found it really interesting to get up 281 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: behind the scenes look and the thought process over gifted 282 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: items as opposed to paid opportunities. Because Christine was saying 283 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: that if she feels like she's worked for an item 284 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: or she's been paid to promote an item and had 285 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: to do work in exchange for that item, she thinks 286 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: she's well within her right to then on sell the item. However, 287 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: if she's been gifted an item, she will either keep 288 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: that gift as payment or she will givet those items 289 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: to charities or friends or family. And those are gifted 290 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: items where she hasn't actually had to do any thing 291 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: in response. A brand has just randomly sent her something 292 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: and she's not actually creating work. Let's throw you to 293 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: a snippet of more of what she said. 294 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 2: They didn't just give me a bid, like, it wasn't 295 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: a gift. So yeah, I did not get given a bid. 296 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: I didn't just get It wasn't a gift. It wasn't 297 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: just like a brand that was like, here, I have 298 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 2: this bid and do nothing for it. I had a contract. 299 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: I have work that I have to do for this item, 300 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 2: and that was my payment. It was a payment essentially. 301 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 2: The bid is the fifty dollars that you got for 302 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: two hours kind of vibe right, Like, I know, it's 303 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 2: a very different world and a very different job, and 304 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's not privileged. 305 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: Normally, I am against influencers selling free products. They've received 306 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: as part of a sponsorship deal. However, Christine's story adds 307 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: an interesting layer. The question in this situation really is 308 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: shouldn't influence his financial situation matter? Because I really felt 309 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: for Christine when she shared with her audience that she 310 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: is actually financially struggling. She has previously shared that her 311 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: partner and her aren't wealthy and that they actually share 312 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: a three thousand dollar car that broke down recently, and 313 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: it's clear influencing is a job that helps her support 314 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: her family while she looks after two young kids. And 315 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: I do think it's different when you see very rich 316 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: influencers flogging products that they've been given for free. However, 317 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: it's clear that Christine legitimately needs the money to help 318 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: out her young family. And I think the fact that 319 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: the influencer space is so oversaturated at the moment that 320 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: we're really seeing different levels of influences. So we are 321 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of brands want to utilize micro influencers 322 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: because of that strong connection and authenticity that they have 323 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: with their audience. So that's where we're seeing a lot 324 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: of these people having to do work because a lot 325 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: of the promotions do actually take a lot of work 326 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: to do, especially now that we have reels and TikTok 327 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: and it's not just you know, snapping a photo of something, 328 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,359 Speaker 1: so there is actually genuine time and effort and creativity 329 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: that goes into it. And it really has changed my 330 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: perspective because I think if you have worked for the item, 331 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: you're within your right to then sell it. I think 332 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: people don't like it because it's breaking the fourth wall 333 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: and influencing and shows that influencers don't necessarily like the 334 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: product they're promoting. And I don't think it was a 335 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: great business move from Christine because I doubt Ema Mattress 336 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: will want to work with her again, and I think 337 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: other brands may be reluctant to work with her as well, 338 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: because they won't want their products publicly sold. It's such 339 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: a good point because I feel like the reason that 340 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: influencer marketing is so effective initially is because everyone genuinely 341 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: thought that influencers were using these products well, that they 342 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: must be good. Well, that's how it was born, because 343 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: it was something that influencers were just doing organically. They 344 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: were sharing what they use and what they like, and 345 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: then suddenly there are a few gifted items in there. 346 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: I do wonder if brands are going to start including 347 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: in their contracts that influencers can't publicly sell items that 348 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: they are gifted as a part of a promotion. Yeah, 349 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: but we see so many of these influencers having spinoff 350 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: a ca Like you know, we were talking about Roxy 351 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: j Zenko's wardrobe page and yeah, but those are things 352 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: she's bought. No, I know, they're things that she has bought. 353 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: But a lot of the time influencers have these spin 354 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: off accounts and then they flog all of the fast 355 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: fashion clothes that they've been wearing. I also think that 356 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: the whole tax side of things will come into it, because, 357 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: as we have learnt this year, influencers are being tax 358 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: now on items that they've been gifted. So it really 359 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: is income. Yeah, so it is income. So then I 360 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: think that they should be allowed to sell it. But 361 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: I wonder if it will make it a bit more 362 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: complex because does that money extra money then count towards 363 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: their taxable income. 364 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 2: Hello, oh, I know he doesn't deserve you order, He 365 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: really doesn't. 366 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: I know why you're telling you. Then. The Australian has 367 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: released a really disturbing report which shows that mobile phones 368 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: are as addictive as poker machines, and the reason that 369 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: they're so addictive is because of the constant reinforcement that 370 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: we get from social media apps. It means that our 371 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: brain's always in the state of constant rewards seeking. And 372 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: this really struck a chord with me because lately I 373 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: have realized the really strong addiction I have to my phone. 374 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: So I think you guys are pretty similar. I will 375 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and the first thing I 376 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: do is go on my phone. I'll be in the shower, 377 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: I'll reply to emails on my phone, I'll look at TikTok, 378 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: I'll be on there. I think that has shocked a 379 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: lot of people in the past. Then at nighttime, before 380 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: I go to sleep, I'll be on my phone, and 381 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: I just don't think it's good for me. Yeah, I 382 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: think I've realized when it got to the point where 383 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: I couldn't even watch a TV show without being on 384 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: TikTok on my phone or being on social media, I'm like, 385 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: hang on, this is an issue because back when we 386 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: were younger, your parents used to say to you, oh, 387 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna get square eyes from looking. 388 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 2: At the TV. 389 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: But now I feel like I'm almost feel good about 390 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: myself if I managed to watch a TV show without 391 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: being on my phone. I even feel like I have 392 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: a dent on my little finger where my phone goes 393 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: whenever I have to check if they have one too, 394 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: and I just I don't know. It's also stops you 395 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 1: from connecting with your friends or your partner, because sometimes 396 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: you really reflect on what you're doing. Like sometimes my 397 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: partner and I will sit in bed watching Love Island 398 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: or you know, but we'll both just be sitting on 399 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: our phones, away from each body's turned away from it. 400 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: You can literally, if you live with a partner or 401 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: a friend, you can literally not talk to them the 402 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: whole night because you both glued on your phones. And 403 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: it's funny how some of the interaction with your partner 404 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: ends up being you just sending funny tiktoks you've watched. 405 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: And the thing is like when you reflect what you're 406 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: actually looking at, I mean, half the time I'll be 407 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: on my phone, like searching for that dopamine hit, being 408 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: like what am I gonna look at now? I'll be like, oh, 409 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: oh look at houses. Oh hod in a second, look 410 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: up wedding stuff. Oh, and you have many of my 411 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: friends got a photo up, and it's like all these 412 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: tabs opened up in your own brain, like you think 413 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: of all the tabs that are actually active on your 414 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: phone right now. I find that I delay myself getting 415 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: things done, Like for example, you're saying that you go 416 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: on your phone in the shower, and then I'll go 417 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: on my phone when I get out, and it's like 418 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: I could have just gotten ready in a much quicker time, 419 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: but I'm just on my phone in between. Notice though, 420 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: when you actually sit down and watch a television show 421 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: without looking at your phone, you get really sleepy, Like 422 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: it's so true about how your phone manages to keep 423 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: your brain. Last night, I just had enough of being 424 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: this really bad routine, so I literally, at twelve o'clock, 425 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: which might sound late to some people, I've ripped out 426 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: our TV cod I said, brand and we're going to sleep. Now. 427 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: Let's get off our phones. And you just feel so 428 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: much better after having some rest, because I really feel 429 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: like our bodies aren't designed to be in this constant 430 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: state of arousal or fight and flight which the phones 431 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: give you. And I mean, I think that it's leading 432 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: to a lot of people feeling burnt out because you're 433 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: you're constantly on, and the trouble is that because your 434 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: work is so connected to your phone, it's really hard 435 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: to find that middle ground and not go on there. 436 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: Have you ever been in a situation like, for example, 437 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,479 Speaker 1: when I go to bed, I'll be I have got 438 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: a whole bedtime routine, like take my contacts out, brush 439 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: my teeth, take my make off of and I'll be 440 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: so engrossed in what's going on my phone whilst I'm 441 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: doing it that sometimes I'll be like, did I brush 442 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: my teeth? We'll see when I do all that, I 443 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: actually put my phone away because I don't want to 444 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: get it wet in the scenk. I mean, I don't 445 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: have a very large sink, but you take it in 446 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: the shower? Well, oh yeah, that's but I mean, because 447 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: I've got I feel like people are going to write 448 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: in and say, how do you go on your phone 449 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: in the shower, because that's what happened last time. I 450 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: will stand with my back to the shower and I'll 451 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: have my hand in front of me so I don't 452 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: feel like it gets wet. It gets steamy, though it 453 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: does one thing that has really disturbed me, and I 454 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: think it will make me try and be better with 455 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: my phone usage going forward. Is that apparently this overuse 456 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: of your phone can actually lead to premature aging, impaired 457 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: immune function, and can also increase your risk of cancer 458 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: and also dementia. Didn't it so? How Well, it's because 459 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: you're in this constant state of fight or flight, and 460 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: it means that your quartizole levels are up, your adrenalines up. 461 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: There's all these immune factors to take into everything spiking, 462 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: and it's not meant to be like, humans aren't meant 463 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: to be this wird all the time. I'm assuming as well. 464 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: It disrupts your sleep so badly, and we know just 465 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: important sleep is to do with all of the bright lights. 466 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: Apparently they're incredibly bad for you. And apparently the only 467 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: way that you can actually heal from an addiction like this, 468 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: according to experts, is to replace it with something new, 469 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: tell another addiction. It's more that you're swapping one habit 470 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: for another, So you meant to do it, swap it 471 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: with like a positive habit. Yes, so it's watching TV instead. 472 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,239 Speaker 1: It's supposed to be something that restores your concentration and 473 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: engages part of our brains that we don't use while 474 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: we're on our phones, and it should stimulate dopamine, but 475 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: in a health so like exercise, Well, yeah, it could 476 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: be exercise. Some other tips were learning a language, or 477 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: walking in nature, joining a sports team, even playing board 478 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: games with your family, or baking. They're all really wholesome activities. 479 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: I feel like they're all things that we did during lockdown. 480 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: When I was at Today tonight, we did a story 481 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: where these two girls had to hand in their phone, 482 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: but I think it was a week, but they were 483 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: allowed to use like the old landline, and they just 484 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: found like they were so addicted to the phone. Initially, 485 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: after a few days they were like, oh, I don't 486 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: even feel like I'm missing out, And when they turn 487 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: their phones back on, they also realized that they hadn't 488 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: missed anything. Yeah, I feel like that kind of happens 489 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: when you're on holiday because normally, I mean, hotels now 490 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: have Wi Fi, But if you're out and about and 491 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: you haven't paid for roaming, you don't have access to 492 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: your phone. And it's going to be so good when 493 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: I go to Bali and have that experience with not 494 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: being able to actually be on your phone at a 495 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 1: restaurant or a cafe. Yeah, and I think it's just 496 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: cutting the habit because I just reached for my phone. 497 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: If you know, for instance, if you're at a waiting 498 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: room you can't stand the awkwardness, or you know, even 499 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: if you go to a restaurant and your friend goes 500 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: to the toilet, you immediately go to your phone and 501 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: you're like, it's just this happened, that you need a break. 502 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: And I find that I'm never alone with my thoughts 503 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: because you've always you don't ever have this boredom. And 504 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: I've heard that apparently boredom is really good for being 505 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: creative and having new ideas. Yeah, I find that with 506 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: podcasts because ever since I found podcasts, I've replaced listening 507 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 1: to music in my car who listening to podcasts. And 508 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: I also will listen to podcasts when I'm cleaning or 509 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: doing anything around the house I'm by myself. And it 510 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: is true silence can be very intimidating when you're on 511 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: your own, especially and you're left with your own thoughts. 512 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: I'd love to know if other people are experiencing this 513 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: sense of addiction and what they're doing to try and 514 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: curb it. Maybe we should all be looking at how 515 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: many hours, you know when it pops up every week, 516 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: how many hours you spend on your phone and actually 517 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: set a goal to reduce it. Here's my goal and 518 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: putting it out there so I stick to it. I'm 519 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: not going to go on my phone in the shower. 520 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,239 Speaker 1: But I'm embarrassed though, the hours that you've been on 521 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: Does that actually count for when you're listening to a podcast? 522 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: I hope so, because sometimes it's like mine's been about 523 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: like five or six hours, or sometimes it's up to 524 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: eight a day. Yeah, that's gross. It is gross. Let's 525 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: get into am I the asshole? Now? A twenty four 526 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: year old girl wrote into Reddit asking if she's the 527 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: asshole for making her twenty seven year old brother move 528 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: out after he admitted to urinating in her scenk. Now 529 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: for context, her brother broke up with his boyfriend and 530 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: was staying with her as he looks for a new apartment. 531 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: He's been living with her for four months and sleeping 532 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: on her sofa in the living room. Now, apparently he's 533 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: untidy and the bathroom has gotten incredibly messy. He doesn't 534 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: offer to clean up either, so they got into an 535 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: argument about the cleaning when she noticed that there was 536 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: piss around the toilet, and he said that he would 537 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: be more careful. But he then hit back, saying that 538 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: he had seen dirty pads in the trash can, but 539 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: the trash can has a closed lid. Now, one day 540 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: they were hanging out in the living room and he 541 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: started laughing at a TikTok. He showed it to her 542 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: and said it was something about men peeing in sinks. 543 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: So she asked him if he'd ever done that at 544 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,239 Speaker 1: her house, and he laughed and said yes. Now an 545 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: argument erupted, which ended up with her saying she wants 546 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: her brother to move out now. Just to clarify, the 547 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: girl's brother didn't piss into the sink because of an emergency, 548 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: but while there was a working toilet next to him. 549 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: He's got in my head from the Simpsons, is anency 550 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: in an emergency? Now, he did say that he pissed 551 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: in the sink when he was in a hurry because 552 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: it was apparently more convenient. Look, I definitely do not 553 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: think that this girl is the asshole. I would be 554 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: kicking anyone out of my house if they admitted that 555 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: they were urinating in my sink when we had a 556 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: working toilet. What is with this, I hear. I mean, 557 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: I haven't grown up with brothers, but it seems sort 558 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: of normal for men to just piss in the garden, 559 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: or think is acceptable to piss in the seat. The 560 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: garden is a little bit different. But the sink where 561 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: you brush your teeth, you do your makeup. I mean 562 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: I often drop things like I've got a mouth guarden 563 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: in the scenk when i'm washing that. But also I'm sorry, Oh, 564 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: it was more convenient and easier for me to flop 565 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: my dick out over the sink. Excuse me? What about women? 566 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: It is so difficult for women to urinate. Men can 567 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: urinate everywhere. It takes you two seconds to pull your 568 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: pants down. How hard do we dick in the direction 569 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: of the toilet? How hard is it to lift up 570 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: the seat? Oh? Wow, so inconvenience. Sorry, when you read 571 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: this out, I thought you meant the kitchen sink, and 572 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: I was like, that is so fucking well. Apparently it 573 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: bad though the bathroom sink. Where is to be fair, 574 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: I think it's worse to piss in a kitchen sink 575 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: where you do the washing up. But she did say 576 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: that she's had to replace her toothbrush and soap, et cetera. 577 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: I heard this story I think it was on the 578 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: Handbags podcast and someone wrote in saying that basically this 579 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: roommate pissed them off, so then for the entirety of 580 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: them living there, this guy pissed on her loafer in 581 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: the shower every day and then he also put her 582 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: toothbrush down the toilet, Like, what is wrong with men? 583 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: Sounds like an episode of Maps. Oh that just makes 584 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: me feel so ill. I mean that being said, I 585 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: mean in terms of I think it's completely disgusting that 586 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: this guy is doing this. But he has just broken 587 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: up with his boyfriend. Maybe he's upset, Maybe he's feeling down. 588 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: Maybe it is a bit much to kick him out. 589 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: Maybe she should have just given him a warning. Is 590 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: that don't do it again. I've got a question for 591 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: you guys. Is it more gross if it's your brother 592 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: that's pissing in the sink or you're just gross in general? 593 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who it is. I want to warn 594 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: people because this conversation is heading downhill very fast. What 595 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: about all the men who talk about waffle stomping as 596 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: if it's like so normal, And I'm like, what do 597 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: you mean like I've nevi caved for context For those 598 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: who haven't had this appalling conversation before, waffle stomping is 599 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: apparently when someone poohs in a shower and then they 600 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: used their foot to stomp down the pooh through the 601 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: scene breakfast like that would definitely kick them out of 602 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: my house. I feel like that this show's gone very 603 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan all of us. That's immediate red flag. The 604 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: funny thing about this whole Reddit thread is the girl 605 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: came and was discussing in the comments that her brother 606 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: actually is complaining to her parents but hasn't mentioned that 607 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: he pissed in the sink. He claims that, oh, my 608 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: sister kicked me out because I'm too messy, and the 609 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: girl's gone back to her parents and said he's admitted 610 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: to pissing in the sink and they just don't believe it. 611 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: I really want to know in our Facebook community, does 612 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: your partner piss in the sink? Does your brother? Do 613 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: you know anyone that does this? Because to me, this 614 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: is almost sounding like I need to start cleaning out 615 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: the sync more bleach in the sink and if I 616 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: drop something in there, like sometimes you drop toothbrush like, 617 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: very disturbing. Before we go, we do have some exciting news. Now. 618 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: We have been in your ears for four years, but 619 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: we think it's time that we meet in person. So 620 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: we are launching our live shows. 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