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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Female Athlete Project Season two. My name

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Speaker 1: is Chloe Dalton. I'm an Olympic gold medalist in rugby

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Speaker 1: sevens and I'm now playing for the GWS Giants in

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Speaker 1: the AFLW. I started tfapp to share the stories of

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Speaker 1: incredible female athletes and to address the gender inequalities that

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Speaker 1: exist within the sports media space. We want to change

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Speaker 1: that story, and we're all about making news and highlights

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Speaker 1: of women's sport easily accessible across our platforms. Our hope

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Speaker 1: is that more female athletes will become household names and

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Speaker 1: in turn enable the next generation of young kids to

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Speaker 1: pick up a ball, racket, backboard, whatever they want to pick.

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Speaker 1: Athlete Vanessa Lowe knows all too well that change can

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Speaker 1: happen quickly and drastically. At the age of fifteen, while

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Speaker 1: living in Germany, she fell from a train platform, losing

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Speaker 1: her coma, as you'll hear, the future she had planned

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Speaker 1: faced with massive uncertainty and fears. She could have retreated

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Speaker 1: she described the beauty within the change, and her athletics

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Speaker 1: career took off. She has competed at three Paralympics, twenty

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Speaker 1: before making a shift to represent Australia at Tokyo twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty after marrying Ossie. Paralympic gold medalist Scott Riden. In Rio,

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Speaker 1: her story is phenomenal, but I absolutely love her approach

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy this one. Vanessa Lowe, Welcome to

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited to have a chat. So you're currently

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Speaker 1: undergoing quarantine. How has it been so far being back

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Speaker 2: I feel like it has been a little bit of

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Speaker 3: Like I have emotions not just the last few years,

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Speaker 3: but also the quarantine itself. So one day I love

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people who are in lockdown

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Speaker 1: some days you feel very motivated to do things, in

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Speaker 1: other days you just have no motivation at all to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent, but it's only five more day.

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Speaker 3: It's not that anyone is.

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Speaker 1: Counting counting down the hours. We often start off by

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Speaker 1: heading back to childhood. So love to know what you

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Speaker 1: were like as a little kid growing up in Germany.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I was a confident little girl.

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Speaker 3: I have a little photo that I still look at

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Speaker 3: In my dreams, I felt like, well, I grew up

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Speaker 1: Did you play sport from a young age.

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Speaker 1: What was sport like for you growing up in a

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Speaker 3: It was fantastic because we had an amazing community. We

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so funny because I think my dad and

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Speaker 1: Did you have something when you were a little kid.

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Speaker 1: Did you have a dream of what you wanted to become?

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Speaker 2: Too fair?

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Speaker 3: I never wanted to be an athlete, how fun it

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Speaker 1: Did I read that you also did ballet.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, okay, So when you were fifteen years

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Speaker 1: I think people often see how incredible you are competing,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was a challenging process.

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Speaker 2: Nothing like my story.

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Speaker 3: I had some severe injuries apart from losing my legs,

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Speaker 3: So why would this be so difficult and why would

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Speaker 2: To look like.

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Speaker 1: That's really powerful. I like this idea of the overcoming

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Speaker 1: what you said there. Sometimes you can't actually overcome it,

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Speaker 1: like do you see it more of a process of learning?

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Speaker 1: How do you look at adversity?

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Speaker 2: So I rephrased it in a sense.

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Speaker 3: I mean the first games, if you ask any athlete,

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00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 3: is always something special. But I guess over the years,

445
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 3: at that point, I had really built up some sort

446
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 3: of expectations and I really started to feel that I

447
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 3: wanted to not just be there, but I actually wanted

448
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 3: to perform, and I wanted to be at my best

449
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 3: and wanted to even compete for a metal And when

450
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 3: I got there and I couldn't meet my expectations on

451
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 3: the track, I think it really left me feel disappointed,

452
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 3: to be honest about about myself. I felt like, even

453
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 3: though I mean, the loss of my legs is obviously

454
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 3: much bigger loss, but I think the loss of kind

455
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 3: of the belief of my in myself at that point

456
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 3: was probably a true representation of the loss that I

457
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 3: went for, because all of a sudden it became a

458
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 3: reality that the opinion of other people thinking that this

459
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 3: is never going to work out for me, and that

460
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 3: my disability was just simply too high to compete on

461
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 3: that level. And it felt like it was becoming a

462
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 3: reality at that competition, and I went home pretty disappointed,

463
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 3: not just about the resultant sport, but I guess about

464
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 3: the failure of making this, like really creating the story

465
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 3: that I wanted.

466
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Speaker 1: I guess, Wow, did you want to give up? After that?

467
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

468
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 3: So I had officially retired from sports basically after that.

469
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 3: How many people know I had already stopped training? Well,

470
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 3: I still trained for fun, but I left the training

471
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 3: group and decided to not compete anymore, and I.

472
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: Really focused on other things in life.

473
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 3: And I guess it wasn't until I went to visit

474
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 3: my friend in America, which was also due in athlete,

475
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 3: but she had married an American athlete that I got

476
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: really pulled into the world of sports again and really

477
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 3: got told a different mindset around this and really make

478
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 3: this less about competing against others, but competing against myself.

479
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 3: And her husband, which was also her coach, soon became

480
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 3: my coach, and he kind of talked me into moving

481
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 3: to the US and and give this another shot. And

482
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 3: he promised that if I was to move to the US,

483
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 3: he would train me for gold medal.

484
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 2: And I guess it wasn't so much about.

485
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: The metal promise or you know, that silly bet that

486
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 3: we made that if he was right, I would get

487
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 3: his autograph tattooed. I think it was more about finally

488
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: coming meeting someone that believed in my dream as much

489
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 3: as I did, and was as crazy as I was,

490
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 3: and having those big dreams and aspirations and kind of

491
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 3: you know, moving away from thinking realistic and more like

492
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 3: thinking wild and big.

493
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: I want to hear about this story. So did you

494
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: make a bet with your friends in the un US.

495
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: What was the best that if you want a gold medal,

496
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: then you had to get a tattoo, That's right.

497
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we made that bad and a wild night out.

498
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: And I guess if you ever make a good decision,

499
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 3: it's usually on big wild night out. So I went

500
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 3: back home after because I was the second last night

501
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: or so, and I quit my job and sold everything

502
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 3: that I owned and moved to the US with two

503
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 3: suitcases and kind of the plan to live off my

504
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 3: savings for the next few years.

505
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: So it was definitely a world a wild move. That's

506
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: was that quite scary, Like that's a very big risk

507
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: to take.

508
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 3: I think it was, and it wasn't at the same time,

509
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 3: because I think at that point I didn't feel like

510
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 3: I was living the life that I wanted. And I

511
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 3: think it's sometimes a big out risk to kind of

512
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: stay poored and not even give it a try then

513
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 3: actually giving it a proper go. And I guess it

514
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 3: wasn't so much about the medal itself, like it was

515
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 3: never really about it.

516
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: I think it was really about finding my own boundaries.

517
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 3: I'm both physically as well as mentally, And I guess

518
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 3: over the years I really found myself in this really

519
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: protected little world where everyone tried to make sure that

520
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: I don't fail and that I don't you know, get

521
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 3: hurt or disappointed, and I ended up just never really

522
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 3: trying those things. And I think it was probably the

523
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 3: first time ever to actually allow me to fail and

524
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: allow me to make those big moves and go through

525
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 3: the processes of not always being successful in what I do,

526
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 3: but actually at least give it a proper try.

527
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: How did the experience go when you first moved over

528
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: to the USA. Did it take you a while to

529
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: settle in and feel comfortable in that environment?

530
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I was.

531
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 3: It wasn't that evl together at that point. I barely

532
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 3: spoke a word of English and I would have been

533
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 3: was that twenty thirteen, so eight years ago now, And

534
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 3: my coach there was from like country Louisiana, so with

535
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 3: the biggest accent I could be understand him. And other

536
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 3: than him and his wife, I didn't know anyone. I mean,

537
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 3: all there was was was really those two and and me.

538
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: So that was probably the farthest I've ever been away

539
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 3: from my family. I mean, there was no such thing

540
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: as just you know, going home and having my parents

541
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 3: there or my friends in the same sense, So that

542
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 3: was probably the biggest challenge. And then as well fully

543
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: trusting someone that in that environment where I mean I

544
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 3: barely knew him as a coach. I mean I knew

545
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 3: my friend quite well, that was his wife. But at

546
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: the same time, it was it was a huge risk,

547
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: and I guess I was in this perfect little world

548
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 3: in Germany where I had access to the best training

549
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 3: facilities and I had a safe apartment.

550
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: I had like all the security in the world. But

551
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: I was unhappy.

552
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: And then I went to the US and like we

553
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 3: trained in the garage, like most days, we just ran

554
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 3: on the roads, like we barely had access to a track,

555
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: and we didn't have any heating in our facilities, and

556
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 3: I mean it was in the middle of winter, so

557
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 3: it was like sometimes minus is outside and I still

558
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: remember I was like flipping tractor tires with the snow,

559
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 3: and we did very unconventional training because we just didn't

560
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 3: have the facilities. But that's not what really mattered at

561
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 3: that point. I mean, I just needed to learn how

562
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 3: to work hard. And I probably went home crying for

563
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 3: probably at least three times of the week because it

564
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 3: was just like physically so challenging, and he was probably

565
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 3: the first person to ever fully encouraged me to try things.

566
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I can't do that.

567
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 3: I'm missing my legs. That exercise doesn't work for me.

568
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 3: But he just simply didn't take any excuses. He just

569
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: wanted me to see wanted to see me try, and

570
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 3: if it didn't work, then he would adjust it. But

571
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: he pushed me mentally and physically really really hard.

572
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: Wow. And so all of that training in the snow

573
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: and flipping tires and things like that then paid off

574
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: when you got to Rio. You won your very first

575
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: gold medal in the long jump. What did that feel like?

576
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: And you also break the world record? Is that right?

577
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? That's right?

578
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, with a of four point ninety three meters. What

579
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: did it feel like standing on the podium having the

580
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: gold medal around your neck?

581
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: It's so funny because obviously it's a very special moment.

582
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I always tell people nothing

583
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: changes when you win a gold medal, and sometimes people

584
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 3: are really disappointed when they hear that, because they believe

585
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 3: it's that cute dream of yours and once you win it,

586
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 3: everything changes for you. But I guess if you haven't

587
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: found meaning and what you do before winning a medal,

588
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: then you don't find enjoyment doing it. And I guess

589
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: it was so much more representation of the journey that

590
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: I went on over the years, and like really feeling that,

591
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: I felt really satisfied knowing that I've given it my all.

592
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: I know that I pushed my boundaries to the absolute.

593
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: Limits, and I really felt like I belonged there and

594
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 3: I deserve to be there simply because I've really poured

595
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: my entire heart into this, and it wasn't just a

596
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: physical win. Like I saw my parents standing there in

597
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 3: the stadium when I was see my medal, and I

598
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: saw my mom having tears in her eyes because like

599
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I mean, she realized, like I'm

600
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 3: going to be okay, Like it's not so much about

601
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 3: you know, the metals itself, but like all the losses

602
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 3: and all the difficult years that I've been through, I

603
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: think at that point kind of came together and I

604
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 3: realized that when we really if something is important to

605
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: us and important enough for us to pour our entire

606
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: heart into, we can make it work. And we sometimes

607
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 3: have to shift in shape and and really change our

608
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: path in different ways and in different directions that we

609
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 3: didn't think was possible, but sometimes that's what we need

610
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 3: to do in order to feel full and happy. And again,

611
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 3: like it's not about the metal itself, but I think

612
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 3: the meaning behind and the path that I went on.

613
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really special. I'd love to talk about you

614
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: meeting Scott for the first time, who is now your husband,

615
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: an Australian sprinter who also just competed in the Tokyo

616
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: Paralympics as well. Can you tell us about do you

617
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: remember the first time meeting Scott? I do.

618
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: I mean I've seen them around a little bit, because

619
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: like the competitive world is really small. I mean you

620
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: kind of know the people that are competing on that

621
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: high level, and I kind of had spotted him and

622
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: recognized him as for the amazing athlete that he was.

623
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: But I think it was basically the year after I

624
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 3: had just quit competitive sport, but then the film My

625
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: Trip to America kind of found my way back into

626
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 3: and I still remember we were competing in London at

627
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 3: the Anniversary Games, which wasn't exactly a year after the

628
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: Parlmic Games, my first Prolemic Games, and both of us

629
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: had a really good competition and we're waiting for our

630
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: medal ceremony and that's where we met for the first

631
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 3: time and actually had a chat and became really close

632
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 3: friends and had an instant connection.

633
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: Really, what has it been like being in a relationship

634
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: with someone who competes at the same level and has

635
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: to undertake all the training and focus on nutrition and

636
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: all of those things. Has that been something that you've

637
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: enjoyed or is it something that sometimes gets a bit

638
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: tricky now?

639
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: I think it has been a really great experience. I

640
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 3: think when I moved to the to Australia to kind

641
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 3: of live with him and train with him and be

642
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,239
Speaker 3: with him, it could have gone two ways. I mean

643
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 3: the first years we were separated and seeing each other like,

644
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: you know, two or three times a year for a

645
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 3: couple of weeks at the time, and now your opposite

646
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: of living together, training together and literally doing everything together.

647
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: And it was amazing. I mean, it's amazing to have

648
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: the support there of someone that truly understands not just

649
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: on a sporting level, but on many other levels as well,

650
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: and the lifestyle of an athlete can be very unique

651
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: and sometimes very challenging as well, so having someone with

652
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 3: a very similar mindset around the whole topic but also

653
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 3: very similar lifestyle. Was just very, very helpful, and I

654
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: don't think I would have made it all the way

655
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: to Tokyo if it really wasn't for him by my side.

656
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: How did that decision come about to represent Australia and

657
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: how did it feel after representing Germany at two Paralympics

658
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: already to be going in different colors.

659
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 3: It was a difficult decision, to be completely fair, because

660
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 3: I'm proud where I'm from and I'm really grateful for

661
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,239
Speaker 3: everything the German team has done for me. I mean,

662
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be here today without them. But then at

663
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: the same time, I had already lived in America for

664
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 3: three years and I hadn't really like going to competitions.

665
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: I often met a team that I barely knew, and

666
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: I guess when I faced the challenges of living and

667
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: training in Australia and with a great distance and the

668
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: difference of winter and summer season, and I think the

669
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: decision first came out of art made the most sense.

670
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: But I'm really glad that I did it because Australia

671
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: is my home, and I guess I felt really home

672
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 3: with the Australian teams straight away, and I felt incredibly

673
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: privileged really to but be part of this team because

674
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 3: it's for one of the best teams in the world,

675
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: and the sense of the culture that they have and

676
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: this love was bored in general. I mean, Australia is

677
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: truly amazing and how they support US athletes not just

678
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: when the Parilm or Olympics are on, but really threw

679
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: the entire four year cycle. And yeah, I think I

680
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: just got hooked on being with Australian team straightaway.

681
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. I loved watching the Paralympics and there were some

682
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: very special moments throughout the games. Watching Olympics and Paralympics,

683
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: there were so many moments of like team, particularly in

684
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 1: the athletics team. I think, just really special moments where

685
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: you saw how tight, tightly knit the team members were.

686
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: We've been like living in a little bubble for a

687
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: fair while now, always trying to be conscious of making

688
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: sure that we aren't at any exposure sites and make

689
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: sure that we can prepare properly for the games. And

690
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 3: I guess when we got to the Games, all of us,

691
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 3: I think it had a different sort of feeling to

692
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 3: other competitions that we've been through because we really decided

693
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 3: to realize what an incredible ridge it is to compete

694
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 3: and just to be there knowing that the world is

695
00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 3: currently going through this difficult state, and yeah, we just

696
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: had an amazing time being there doing what we love

697
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: and then being.

698
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 2: With people that were so passionate about the same thing

699
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: that we are.

700
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, very cool. I wanted to play on an audio clip.

701
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: So going to competing in the long jump in Tokyo,

702
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: you broke your own world record three times in the

703
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: one event city in the lead one jump to go,

704
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: already jumped five twenty improved the world record twice. What

705
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: about a third time just for fun? Oh, you hit

706
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: the board very well. So that final jump was five

707
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: meters twenty eight, a huge jump and a massive improvement

708
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: even on the four meters ninety three from Rio just

709
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: a few years earlier. Was the What was the difference

710
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: in that performance and the preparation leading up to that

711
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: incredible performance? I mean, I guess the last few years

712
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: of preparations were difficult for all of us because, like usual,

713
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: we have a time frame of preparing for something and

714
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: knew the athletes world is very structured and the plans

715
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: that we have and often enough, you have very certain

716
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: certain time frames. So when that got removed, we had

717
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: to really think outside the box, and we didn't have

718
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: access to some of the training facilities through some of

719
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: the periods, and so I actually, well, we actually took

720
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: the chance to turn this into our advantage, and we

721
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: really had the chance to work on all the little

722
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: things preparing for a gal that was a little bit

723
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: farther away. So I knew I could do a big jump,

724
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 1: but I had put in a lot of extra little

725
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: work in aspects that I hadn't had the time to

726
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: work on for many years, because you go from competition

727
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: to competition, and I was really prepared for a big jump.

728
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: But at the same time, having been part of this

729
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: for twelve years now, I know that sport has a

730
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: thing of you know, it doesn't always happen and the

731
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: way that you had it imagined.

732
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: So I was prepared for either way.

733
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: And I really promised myself to no matter and no

734
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 3: matter how the competition is going to go, I was

735
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: going to enjoy it and I was going to have

736
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: fun with it. And I guess that's where I even

737
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 3: believe when you see the video. I had the little

738
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: smile on my face, and it wasn't because I knew

739
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 3: that I have already worn But I approached my last

740
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 3: jump and it's like, you know what, Like this is

741
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: what I do this for, Like I love doing this.

742
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: I get the chance to do this in front of

743
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 3: not a big crowd, but a big crowd in front

744
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 3: of the TVs, and I get to share this journey

745
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 3: with the world, and I might as well turn it

746
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: into something that I enjoy and really put the pleasure

747
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 3: into this. And I think that really showed in the

748
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: last jump, and I think that's why I jumped as

749
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: far as I did, because I truly remember why I

750
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: do this for.

751
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Every week I have a question

752
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: from a six year old and from my grandma. But

753
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: I think that's led in quite well, so I might

754
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: play you the question from my granny. Hi, Vanessa, I

755
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: felt very emotional watching you win gold.

756
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 2: What impact do you hope to have through your sport?

757
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 3: I always say that I want to leave a legacy,

758
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: and it's probably quite unusual for someone that is still

759
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: active to say, and someone that is.

760
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: Having the world regit.

761
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 3: I want to be forgotten because I want people to

762
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 3: break my world rogit because that means that I've left

763
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: a legacy for other young girls realizing that this is

764
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: something they can do with their lives.

765
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: This is something that is an option for them.

766
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: And it means that I have created something that inspired

767
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: other girls to do not necessarily the same, but find

768
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 3: their own path within this. So I really hope that

769
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: I leave the sport in a better place and I

770
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: found it, And I really hope that there's a lot

771
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 3: of girls out there that not necessarily find their way

772
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 3: into competitive sport, but a sport in general and see

773
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 3: what it can do to our lives. I mean it's

774
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: not not just you know, connecting community and with friends,

775
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: but it's also a great torul to put ourselves physically

776
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 3: and mentally and really enjoy some thing that is just.

777
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: So good for us.

778
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, all right. I've got a question from six

779
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: year old Freeda. I then, suh, you wear your very

780
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: special legs every single day or do you wear them

781
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: just one year jumping?

782
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 3: That's amazing. I love how innocence that the questions are

783
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 3: from kids. They don't care. I just want to know,

784
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 3: so they are whenever it comes to their mind. So

785
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: I wear special legs that I run on and jump on,

786
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: and I only wear them when I'm on the track.

787
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 3: They actually have little spikes underneath the toes, so I

788
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: can't actually run on the road with them. They're really

789
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: ready made and set up for athletics on the track.

790
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 3: And then my everyday walking legs are a lot more fancy.

791
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 3: They actually have a little computerized unit in it helping

792
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: me through all the different states that I need in

793
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: a day, because you have to walk different speeds. You

794
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 3: have to be able to do uphill and down hill

795
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 3: and stairs and sitting down and standing up. And so

796
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: even though a lot of people think that our running

797
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 3: legs are the fancy legs, our walking legs actually.

798
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: Have a lot more power and being able to handle

799
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: a lot more difficult situations. Yeah wow, And I've read

800
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: that you also are you currently studying computer science? So

801
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: you've already finished studying computer science.

802
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: Look. I finished a first degree in media actually in

803
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, and when I moved to the US, I

804
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: picked up a study in computer science. And I've studied

805
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: a little.

806
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 3: Bit here and there, probably about halfway through after I

807
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: don't know, six.

808
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: Years, I think it's still to go really one day

809
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: I will finish.

810
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that something that I know you mentioned before

811
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: the importance of technology? Is that Has that been part

812
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 1: of the decision or was that something that you wanted

813
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: to do regardless, I was.

814
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 3: Always probably interested in working with computers and stuff, and

815
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: I guess when I got exposed to the whole prosthetic world,

816
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: I mean there was a different layer of that as well.

817
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 3: But altogether, I think this is something that I really

818
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: enjoyed and in I want to say, my first life

819
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 3: and where I was working as an editor, I really enjoyed.

820
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: Doing it as well.

821
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 3: So actually something that I would love to return to

822
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 3: and potentially incorporate some of the aspects of computer science.

823
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 3: Do you kind of find different levels in that workspace.

824
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: We missed the part about your preparation in the lead

825
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: up to Tokyo, so not was it only a couple

826
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: of months out and you had a pretty bad fall

827
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: that resulted in a concussion.

828
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

829
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 3: See, I never like playing a non contact sport. I

830
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: never really have been exposed to that whole world of concussions.

831
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: But it was like really unfortunate. I mean I do

832
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: all these things on the track and jump like from

833
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 3: top speed into your long jump it and then out

834
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 3: of all things, I slip and fall in a bathroom

835
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 3: and I hit my head quite badly, and I didn't

836
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 3: really realize the impact that I had on me after

837
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 3: I still felt very like after awake, I guess, and

838
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: I spent probably about two weeks in bad trying to

839
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: deal with this very new convindition that I hadn't really

840
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: experienced in the past. And I guess what really came

841
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 3: in hand. It was over the years, I've really learned

842
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: how to be adaptable and really be accepting off situations,

843
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: and I guess I got to that point where, of

844
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 3: course I was getting frustrated because all I wanted to

845
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 3: do was to train and prepare for the games. At

846
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 3: the same time, I knew that if I didn't take

847
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: that time now to recover and actually feel at my best,

848
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 3: and it's you know, it's not going to work out

849
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: the way. So I really tried to relax into the

850
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: situation and give my body the time to heal and

851
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: recover and and really do all the things that I

852
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: could at that point to make sure that I was

853
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 3: still going to be at my best going into Tokyo.

854
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: But I really tried to not rush too much. But

855
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: of course it was frustrating and it was annoying, and

856
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: it was just I felt like so unnecessary.

857
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: But I think that's what life is.

858
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 3: I mean, so many things just happen that are outside

859
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 3: our control, and we often enough get frustrated with it

860
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 3: because things don't work out the way that they did.

861
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 2: But in the end, things not working out the way

862
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 2: that I had imagined.

863
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: I mean, thinking back to my six y old me,

864
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 3: I never would have imagined the life that I'm living now,

865
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 3: and turn on, everything turn out so much better than

866
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 3: I could have ever imagined. So I guess when we

867
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 3: really kind of trust and follow our instincts and really

868
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 3: try to be in the here and now and not

869
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 3: try to change things, then we can really find different

870
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 3: pathways that lead us to something bigger and better.

871
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: Definitely, do you think that's the way that you've looked

872
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: at that is almost a skill that you've developed over time,

873
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: or do you think that mindset is like a conscious

874
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: decision that you make.

875
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: I think it's still a conscious decision that I need

876
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: to make.

877
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: And I still find myself complaining about the Chinese little

878
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: things and really got caught up and about all the

879
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 3: things that are annoying or don't work out the way

880
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 3: that I had a planned. And I mean, of course,

881
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: sometimes life can be frustrating and sometimes things really go

882
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 3: in waste that aren't helpful, and and I think, okay

883
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 3: to be upset about it initially, but if we don't

884
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 3: find the power to move on and really accept whole

885
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 3: things are and actually can I say, look, this has happened,

886
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 3: this is how it is, but I make the best

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Speaker 3: out of it. I think this is probably a skill

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Speaker 3: that we have to consciously choose for ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. I finish every interview with three would you rather? Questions?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever played would you rather?

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00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: Before?

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00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: No?

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00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 2: Actually haven't, ah ha.

894
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: So you've just got to pick one of the two options.

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Speaker 1: So the first question in Paris in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: if you were to compete, would you rather win a

897
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: third consecutive gold in the long jump or your first

898
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: gold in one hundred meters? Or definitely a third gold

899
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: and the long jump because I running the hundred anymore. Okay,

900
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: all right, and I've read that you've contemplated retirement post Tokyo.

901
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: Is that something that you've thought more about since being

902
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: in quarantine? Or are leaving the one, just leaving it

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Speaker 1: be for the time being.

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00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 2: I think I want to go to Paris.

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00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: Wow.

906
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: But I've also learned that life changes, so I'm open

907
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: to whatever. At this point, I probably committed to training

908
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 3: for another three years only now.

909
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: But if something you know, happens or if something changes,

910
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: so be it.

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00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: That's good. It's a nice way to look at it.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, that's good. I like that. Number two. Would

913
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: you rather get a tattoo of your dogs or of

914
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: your husband's face? Oh?

915
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: Definitely my dogs.

916
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: Sorry sorry Scott, but oh.

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00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: That would be making that would make an amazing tattoo.

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00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: I reckon.

919
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: Okay, where did you did you get the tattoo of

920
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: your friend from America?

921
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: I did, so, there you go.

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00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: Oh and so is that his autograph?

923
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 3: So that's his autograph? And then those other coordinates where

924
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 3: I have one World Championship medals.

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00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: They're actually amazing. So it's on your forearm just for

926
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Speaker 1: obviously for people who listen to the podcast who won't

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Speaker 1: be able to see it. So it's so coordinates of

928
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Speaker 1: all the places you've won a World champ medal.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that's right. So they actually one corter need missing.

930
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 3: So still need to figure out.

931
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: Hold you edit.

932
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 3: I didn't really think it through. It was a bit

933
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Speaker 3: of a spontaneous one, but I'm sure I find a

934
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Speaker 3: good spot for it.

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Speaker 1: That's very cool, all right. Number three? Would you rather

936
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: only be able to eat German sausages or Bunning sausages

937
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: for the rest of your life? Oh?

938
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: Can't beat a Bunning sausage for sure?

939
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: Yes, she's Truezy, Now, I mean that's what we go

940
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: to Bunning's right, Yeah, exactly, it's the only reason you go.

941
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Speaker 1: I love that. And then before we finish, where can

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Speaker 1: people find you on Instagram?

943
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 2: Yeah?

944
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: So that's Vanessa low ninety so v A n E. S.

945
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 3: Saw ninety and yeah, that's a great opportunity to follow

946
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 3: along or get in touch. Feel free to reach out.

947
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 3: That'd be amazing. I always love communicating and getting in

948
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 3: touch with people.

949
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Speaker 1: So amazing. Thank you so much for coming on for

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00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: a chat today. It's been awesome getting to know you

951
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: and your story, and I think you have a very

952
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 1: beautiful way of looking at life. And I think even

953
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: just the way you're talking about Paris, it's like I

954
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: hope to go, but it's okay if I don't like

955
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: if something else happens. I think it's really a really

956
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: special way that you're kind of living in the moment

957
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: and just enjoying it as it comes. So I've loved

958
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Speaker 1: the chance to have a chat with you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Joy, and thank you so much

960
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 3: for having me on this morning. What you do is

961
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: so important. I mean, we need a platform for this.

962
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 3: We need to connect through sports, and I guess more

963
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 3: females need to be able to see sport and able

964
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 3: to imagine what they want to do and what they

965
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 3: can do in that space. So thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for doing this.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I really appreciate that. Thank you, Thanks so much

968
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Speaker 1: for listening. If you got something out of this episode,

969
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: I would absolutely love it if you could send it

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972
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